Misconceptions About Steemit And Possible Solutions

in steemit •  7 years ago  (edited)




There is no doubt that Steemit is a revolutionary social media platform. Nonetheless, we tend to forget that it is still based on basic human behavior. People expect to be paid based on the quality of their content but they soon realize that this is not the case. In fact, getting paid based on one's merit is rather the exception rather than the rule.

This is not necessarily bad as people might perceive. Much like the outside world, the economics of Steemit are first and foremost based on social and less on intellectual capital. The relationships Steemians form are perhaps their strongest asset. In the outside world we call this nepotism. Whether we like the idea or not, this is how the world rolls. It is what it is. No need to blame Steemit for this.


Social capital is much more important than intellectual and financial capital. Humans are up and foremost social species. The concept of economics is based heavily on our sociality and less on the subjective value we ascribe to things we produce. Sooner or later, every human realizes that is all about who we know and less about what we know.

One can produce good content but maintain a rather negative attitude. Most likely, they will never get noticed. I know because only recently I got to enjoy high rewards for my posts. I used to engage in a lot of debates and criticisms about the platform and that got me a bad reputation amongst most whale circles. I was called an asshole, and still appear to be to some people's eyes. Remember, you can make 100 good deeds but it only takes a single bad day and you can be marked for life. First impressions matter. Bad impressions matter even more. Again, no need to complain about our "homosapien behavior". It is yet another extension of who we are.

Whether you want to call yourself a straight talker or contrarian, very few people accept criticism and almost everybody welcomes praise. If you have any doubt about this, check the "Here is a Steemit post about how I made money on steemit that will make me even more money" or "I have X followers and I joined Steemit last year, pay me". Obvious self shilling posts, are way too obvious and we all know this. We just prefer to turn a blind eye because it gives a positive vibe.

The competition is so tight that some might find that they are not really good with their content as they thought they were. A bit of ass-kissing and political maneuvering can go a long way and some find themselves rise to the top. At the end, not even the newcomers mind about these tactics. It is no secret that the majority of the comments are junk, sucking up to the author as a last resort in order to be upvoted or followed. It looks ugly because it cannot be anything else.

I want to stress out that is not an inherent problem of Steemit but rather how economic dynamics flow in any system. We observe this behavior everywhere in any economy. If you have worked for a large company, you know exactly what I am trying to illustrate.


Another important aspect that we all forget is that the early investors in cryptocurrencies are few, very few. Those people were often getting ridiculed for owning "invisible money". They hodled. They believed. Later on, they got to diversify some of their bitcoin assets to Steemit. They took the risk so we could enjoy the fruits of their labour. They are the reason we have all this. This is part of the reason the wealth distribution of Steemit looks almost identical to what we see in the outside world. The whales are the ~1%, the ~15% are western civilization (dolphins) and ~85% are the minnows (rest of the world).

Statistically, some posts, even if they are exceptional, they will never rise to the trending page. Much like the rest of the economy, the same names will appear day after day on the front lines because they managed to make an impression early on. Similarly, the same companies seem to hold the power the longest due to reputation while the rest fight each other for the breadcrumbs. Sure, there is disruption from time to time but the big boys make sure to pick out the early birds before they take off.

Even if some make it at the end, they too join the upper circle and it gets even harder for those at the bottom to break free. Heck, even if the whales have the best of intentions, it is humanly impossible to manually curate hundreds of new posts. This is why even after HF19, for the most part, some top authors earn even more and the middle guys get to split the rewards between them. Again, not a flaw on Steemit but a human dynamic that has to be properly evaluated.

TL;DR: Steemit reflects the economic paradigm of the outside world right now. This is to be expected since the blockchain is still a novel idea. Steemit is the first platform of it's kind. We shouldn't be surprised or disappointed. Like a friend told me yesterday in the comments "Apes Gonna Ape" so we owe to lan accordingly.

A possible solution to this will be wide spread Steem Power delegation. For those who are not familiar, Steem Power is the power of an upvote. You know how important this is when you see your post getting pumped up by tens or even hundreds of dollars.

Right now, a few people hold all the Steem Power even if that has been somewhat delegated to a few dolphins. I believe a wider spread of Steem Power delegation to a few reputable people will change the scene. There are a few people in here that have been in the platform since the beginning and really care about its potential. Delegating this voting duty to them will empower more Steemians and also take the burden away from the whales. After all, with all these taking place, no matter what they do, they appear to be the bad guys.

Let's not forger that even power delegation can be abused. This can be controlled by manual reports to the community (much like @Steemcleaners and @cheetah do). We can even push this a step further and assign specific curators with power for specific Steemit tags. In this way, we won't see uneven distribution of rewards from only one category.

The trending page will also change every day. Competition and anticipation about who might be trending will create more engagement among Steemians. It will also build more trustworthiness to new (and increasingly skeptical members) that see the same people trending on the front page day in day out.

My last recommendation will be a payout cap for each post. If a post cannot reach more than a certain amount, more rewards will be distributed to more people. This will help the platform grow even more since it will create competition among popular tags that will diversify the content. This will enrich the platform and raise it's value even further.


I understand that these recommendations will not be well received by some people but I am being so critical because I am beginning to see some red flags that might get pretty ugly. Right now there is dangerous draining of the reward pool. There is an immediate need to bring stability into the system. We got a pretty good push from the general crypto pump of the last months but we owe to use this leverage as best as we can while it lasts. I don't know about you, but I want to enjoy Steemit for years to come. Otherwise we might be already killing the goose that lays the golden eggs...







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Really great post! Yes, Steemit is a microcopy of what the real world is. Nicely told... But your cap solution is not ok I guess. If the majority of voters wants to give someone an extra big welcome to the community or like their content so much, they are the owners of their Vote... Introducing a cap is a bit like expropiating them. If they want someone to be number one and they cherish his content so much that even if his content is worth 10.000 USD they still want him to get a bigger part of the pie than let them...

I think you did not mean it this way, but your measure in this regard reminds me of politics where they want to introduce how much a private corporation can pay their managing directors...
I think this is not the way to go...

SP holders are the people who are the owners of the platform. I think they should be allowed to do as they please with their holding. If not investors will look the other way and not buy SP.

Then you get a Falling Steem Price and less payouts... less interest in the platform and so on... a vicious circle.

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Thing is, a handful of big boys can elevate content to the thousands. Even if 1,000 minnows vote it won't matter since a single whale vote can take them down pretty easy.

If people see unrealistic rewards from the same people, they will get discouraged...

People upvote me because I'm extremely funny, kind, caring, creative but most of all modest.

...most definitely ...

;)

That humor was worth a dime, LOL

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Thanks for this, kyriacos! It never occurred to me that Steemit is just like the outside world - I was busy being amazed that such a platform even exists - but you're right. At least at the moment it is.

Yes, it's the same people on the trending page every day, but I seem to have simply accepted the fact that I'm a year late to the party... And of course I'm accepting that I have to work hard for my rewards. Nobody promised us free money here.

But it's true that some people may get discouraged or even burned-out, trying to come up with valuable content - for very little rewards. I was a bit discouraged today when I found out I had more than 100 people (or bots?) voting on one of my German posts with less than 1% of their voting power each... I was wondering why they bother voting in the first place.

There's a lot I'm not 100% understanding yet, but also Steemit is still such a young platform, which will hopefully grow better and bigger and fairer every day. Your suggestions for solutions sound pretty smart, so I hope the witnesses or decision makers are listening.

It is refreshing to see things from the perspective of a minnow and I think we should all focus from you guys perspective. We often forget how things are because we have been around for so long.

Keep steemin on. I believe the solutions ill come.

I agree with you Connnecteconomy... I speak French so I try to translate well as people write it, and if I translate "words for words" is not your expression or sentence formulation . It is more effort for each publication for me.. just this comment will have taken 5 minutes to write loll ... Some publications or i estimate that I put a lot of effort and time and I have nothing and other post where I put less effort or a simple video for example I had more ...not logic for me loll But anyway , It will be always Steemit the champion if we compare to facebook;)

I want to stress out that is not an inherent problem of Steemit but rather how economic dynamics flow in any system. We observe this behavior everywhere in any economy. If you have worked for a large company, you know exactly what I am trying to illustrate.

This is what people tend to forget - what they think are inherent flaws in a social medium system or in the mechanics of a thing are really just how humans operate. Social currency is often more valuable than something that is well-produced or "quality" and that's been true since probably the beginning of human history.

I like the idea of delegation of steem power via tags, then you could have so-called "experts" or "curators" based on category. As steem grows I think it'd be interesting to have more filtering via categorization which will overall I think strengthen the various communities and allow more quality content to rise to the top.

Well said.

"Apes Gonna Ape"

Love this comment. I like your recommendations, though I'm pretty sure they wouldn't get the support they need to ever become reality.

let's see.

Yea a Cap makes sense. Also up-voting your own comments should be blocked.
Well put together Post. Thanks for sharing.

Yeap, Self upvoting is destructive.

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I fully disagree about not self upvoting comments and I upvote all my own comments at 10% to get them up the feed.

(If I wasn't allowed to do that I would have a reciprocal comment voting arrangement replacing that within hours!)

I also upvote each comment I reply to to keep the action happening. Been doing that for 10 months now...

What I'm wondering is - what do you think a good cap would be? I think it's possibly a good idea, and am thinking $1000.

I just do it because I like the fact that someone voted for me. :-)

:) always a good incentive I guess

I didn't get through this entirely but one thing I take away from steemit is that it really doesn't afford the opportunity for "gems" of wisdom to get through from people who don't rank very high up amongst the wave of sheeple who actually think social media is more than just a way to waste your time via idle endeavors. :-) I'd like to be able to "search" for my content. How do I do that here at steemit? I know I'm missing things I might like. I want to make the best possible mixed drink to celebrate the 4th. How do I find out the best way to make a pina colada here at steemit? Shirley, somebody must have "tried to" tell me how by now...no? :-)

The tags are rather limited. The search function as well. We need to improve on this.

Interesting thoughts. Most of them were already know to me but there are some that i never thought about earlier! The REWARD CAP? Man that would be sooo good! This is the thing that would discourage all the trails to support same authors and even a lot of minnows that try to snipe the whale/trail vote for biggest curation reward. I mean, nothing against Miss 2000 bucks and her likes, this is nothing personal, rather a solution to the problem Steemit faces. Until lately I also didn’t understand why whales would delegate so much power and you explained it well to me. For that I thank you.

I think many people started realizing what is going on and we have to address this soon enough

Been punting a weekly reward cap for a month or two now... my version is that If your post payouts pass a certain threshold within the 7 day cycle any new posts are automatically payout declined...

No rewards are altered or votes removed... so if you can manage a viral biggie, then good for you... but then that's it for the rest of the week until that one is paid out

That would remove the “unattractivity” of having every single article capped, as well as give you the option to have a blast (like the guy who received 17k bucks for his surgery) and at the same time restrict you from doing this repeatedly at the expense of everyone else, with the reason being heavy drainage of the reward pool. If every article was capped, one could just spam them and he couldn’t care less about the limit.

Do you have any exact numbers in mind? What sounds like a reasonable “limit threshold” to a whale like you?

community consensus would be good to decide that and it would be easy to quantify, the weekly reward pool is a semi fixed amount of steem, just set a threshold at the consensus percentage

This one sounds good as well. Anything really to avoid the milking and consecutive trending. New people are yet again getting suspicious.

i like your writings and genuinely admire the level of thought you put into your posts. all i have is you can have my cents all day....till i can afford huge dollars.....

cheers!

thank you

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I try to incite discussions within my post but unfortunately due to the fact my posts don't get any views there are rarely any replies so intern there is no stimulus for a debate. Hopefully that will change after I put even more hours of work and dedication into the platform then I can have some enjoyable conversations.
Well I have bright futures for steem and the cryptomarkets.
Let's see if it all pans out

How long have you been on steemit?
Some people worked their asses off for 3 months, and saw hardly any money from their posts.
Out of those same people, most quit.
Only a few crazed people continued.
They are mostly doing well now.

I believe that you first need to create followers by creating well throughout comments.

I try to make my comments somewhat lengthy and something gay I can use to engange with the Author. Not some half-arsed 'good post, upvoted, follow me'

something gay

I have not seen this expression used in this way in a while. I reminds me of British English.

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I of course meant gay as in happy and in no way was I trying to be provocative.
I think that it was a typo
I'm on my phone and the autocorrect is rubbish haha.
Sorry about that and you are correct, I am from Britain.

No, I actually like you using 'gay' as in the happy definition.

that's the best idea actually.

In New Zealand we have a brand of ice cream cones that have been around for decades called "Gaytime".

Now using "gay" for happy is getting to be quite hip and Gaytime cones are pretty cool!

https://shop.countdown.co.nz/Shop/ProductDetails?stockcode=273822

I remember those Zillion of hours and hours reading, replying and staying involved for a whole year ....some people get here and start complaining right away.
I don't understand. I have a more important message for the future....

It's boring! So boring! Take it easy with that Mooooneyyy

All takes time if you don't have the right wire ups to the "fire" or at least lots of invested cash in this platform.

Indeed. it takes work. Nice vid btw.

Do you know about Klaus Kinski ? Such a perfect villain in many great movies

nop. Not aware of him actually. Any recommendations?

Truer words haven't been spoken. I disagree with you on pretty fundamental issues, but there is no better way to create a following than through engagement with other authors and other curators. Curation's the trick to being successful long-term here.

Like you said: the trick is who you know, not what you know.

yeap

yup

Interesting thoughts. I don't think the payout cap is the answer though. Perhaps we need, as reddit has moderators for each subreddit curators for each topic that are voted in by the community or witnesses where people could delegate SP to neutral trusted parties to find and upvote the day's best content in their niche/topic.

yeap, i think a combination of both can work wonders.

I actually un followed you a long time ago because I really didn't like the way that you (used to) communicate on here. I don't disagree with what you've said here @kyriacos, and I think that a potential payout cap for each post could be a very smart way of going. I've also heard mention of potentially limiting the amount of time any post can spend on the trending page.

Yes, limiting the time on the trending page is also a good idea. Actually the trending page should be ditched all together. Only hot content should flow. It doesn't make much sense in the reward scheme anyways.

Can't say I disagree with that idea. If a post is moving and getting votes it probably has a quality that people are enjoying, once that momentum slows down let other posts (naturally) take over.

Regarding the trending page or any post for that matter, what if we had a separate vote count on all posts that was simply about the quality of the post? Perhaps one could select from one to five points and that was summed anonymously into a total that represented the quality of the post and that would determine its trending rank. This ranking would be separate from payouts so it would be a non-financial reward.

In general I like the theme or trend of your post @kyriacos as I believe adjustments need to be made here if Steemit is going to prosper for the long term. I've been rolling ideas around in my head, however as a newbie I also need to get a better overall understanding of the operation here. I'm planning to write an article regarding the economics and how Steemit could be impacted.

I agree with your analysis that Steemit is currently riding a wave of enthusiasm for cryptos in general and the idea of getting compensation for posts is very attractive. But the question is if it is going to make economic sense in the longterm? The answer is going to depend on whether the content is of quality to a larger audience than just Steemers or if Steemers are going to pay to participate in which case it could become a zero sum enterprise.

I believe that economics will most always need to return to basic fundamentals. One cannot eat electronic ideas or art, nor cannot one sleep under an electronic roof or wear electronic clothes, unless you're Tron of course.

So far cryptos amount to a decentralized stock exchange and payment systems but do not meet the requirements for currencies. Recently, in thinking about what really makes a currency, one thought comes is what if people were paid to get an education as part of a more expanded currency generation system. Obviously education is something that is very important to a functional society. Is it possible that Steemit could move/expand in that direction to be more essential? LBRY is has a setup that could easily do that also.

Anyway this is a rather big subject but I'm tossing out a couple ideas. I'll be writing something more detailed so will give a shout out when I do to get a bigger conversation going.

You guys have a better understanding them I do but I will agree on limited time on the trending post. It's annoying to click over there and see the same post for what seems like days. I don't have any comment on whether or not to do away with it. I just like checking out my followers and the moving through the new, hot and trends to see whats else is going on.

yeap

Doesn't look all that controversial.

Agreed.

Let's hope not.

Great points. I agree with just about all of it, even the controversial ones. The hard cap on post earnings is not going to be a popular one but it might be needed at least until the steem can be better distributed. If the steem were more distributed it would solve a lot of the problems on here...

Yeap, I am expecting it won't be well received but maybe if some people realize that we might be killing the platform, they might see it from a more positive perspective.

The cap in a no-no. It's like putting restrictions on a market economy.

I depend on my humour to get some up votes on my comments and i don’t blog because i am not a blogger. But i don’t like to depend on anyone to vote for me. That’s why i am powering up with the new changes to steemit. I can guaranty to pay myself at least a dollar for thinking I'm a funny person lol soo yeahhh that works for me. Makes me happy and that is all that matters and at the same time i pay myself for my time.

That's an honorable approach I guess

hahaha ...it’s working so yeah :)

This guy just gave me a sound idea, maybe i should follow it since it's fucking working

Yeah use it ..before they change it lol Steemit hardforks few times a year :)

Honor before honorary!

:)

Haha! I love this approach! You encouraging YOU! Sorry, my upvote only gave you 0.2 even though giving me a chuckle should be worth more than that!

:) Thanks every lil penny help hehehe

I’m happy for every person that is happy but unfortunately you should expect some flagging from @smackdown.kitty soon.

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I'll flag him/her back and mute that way :) it won't exist in my world. Thanks for the heads up.

I comment much more than I post. I’m not sure why self-voting on posts get (mostly) a pass, but SVing comments is where the line is drawn. If that were made law, guess what my blogs posts would start to resemble?

It looks ugly because it cannot be anything else.

My new mission statement for life.

Nothing wrong with going full Bukowski

Or Lebowski.

i see what you did there

Rather than hard capping payout, a scaling return would be best. A hard cap seems a bit too socialistic and demotivates people creating really amazing content. A scaling payout would still leave ample motivation for good content without the extremes that we currently see in the very early stages of this platform to ensure stability.

this is actually a very good recommendation. I also agree. maybe an algorithmic diminishing in rewards as it moves upwards.

The reality is that it's probably going to take a certain amount of trial and error to get Steemit right. Your suggestion of a payout cap is pretty good and could definitely be worth trying, either that or only allow authors the ability to make one post per day for which they can earn rewards. That would put the emphasis on quality over quantity at least.

Yeap, that can work as well

I really like this "one post" limit idea. Some people would have a fit if every brain fart of theirs didn't make hundreds, but it would definitely serve as a "cull" of sorts, to weed out some of the more egregious banal, low-quality stuff. Need to conserve each bullet rather than shooting off posts Rambo-style...

Great post by the way really nailed it. I’m sure lots of people would like to quit their jobs and do this full time but the reality is that it makes it hard to do soo.

It is indeed very hard in the beginning but if you have patience, it builds up.

words from the wise, tried and true~*~

I read this earlier on my phone when I wasn't logged in. I agree with all your points you made. This was definitely the best post on Steemit today. What I am most amazed by though, is how you've altered your persona on Steemit to attract more energy, upvotes and money. I really didn't see that coming. This is good to see that you can adjust yourself when things are not working and you're not scared to admit it either. This is impressive. Not many adults can change their behavior and admit to it so easily. Your onion skin got a few more layers added.

I don't see how I altered my persona. I still debate on hot issues, half the whales despise me, I am still criticizing people TDV and pseudo-anarchists and if you have been reading the comment section (e.g. check the post about vegetarianism) I keep the same attitude.

The only thing I changed is saying thank you to comments and a smile here and now as a response.

Can you point specifically where you saw this kind of change in my behavior? (I mean just a few weeks ago i linked you to a response of mine TDV).

Jesus my reply got deleted by itself again wtf -.-''
Just wanted to say this was a really good read and i agree with everything especially with the "Here is a Steemit post about how I made money on steemit that will make me even more money" or "I have X followers and I joined Steemit last year, pay me" because even me as a beginner notice this thing and i really get annoyed by posts like this.. Cheers and thanks for this amazing article!
Hope my comment stays now -.-

Thank you for commenting man.

Word up !

oh dear. what you have reminded me.

🙀

Oh, baby baby what's the word?
Don't forget ! WORD UP!

So, since you did not vote for my comment I take the chance and use my own 30% power. Is this right or wrong to vote for yourself as I asked @abit a while ago and he said no, nothing wrong.
It's the shameless egodriven, selfish, moneygrabbing abuse what bothers me.

I guess there is nothing wrong since the dynamics of the platform allow it.

Nice post @kyriacos, it's funny, I never noticed your critical posts or thought you were an asshole. That's probably because I was being too critical as well, and was lumped in that same asshole boat!

You're right though, people don't take criticism well, praise is always preferred, which is part of the reason I tried to add my constructively criticising voice into the mix. However that just ended up with a few whales that used to vote for me ignoring me.

Ultimately, we do need criticism in our lives, otherwise we just end up surrounded by yes men. I like you am trying to just eek out a niche for myself, and will keep on trying to be constructive, without being too critical.

Anyways, good to see you up there, with lots of votes, SBD, and for me most importantly, views :-)

Steem on my friend, Steem on.

Cg

Yeap, criticism might not take one far due to vested interests. Everybody wants the truth but then that somebody turns to be an asshole. Most human relationships are based on superficiality I guess. People avoid friction altogether.

Thank you for you support. The "critical road" might take longer to bloom but it is more self satisfying. There is nothing more valuable than owning yourself

The "critical road" might take longer to bloom but it is more self satisfying. There is nothing more valuable than owning yourself

Wise words indeed :-)

Cg

I read thru all the comments and I see almost zero mention of investing in SP. How do people think the token gets its value?

Shouldn’t discouraged earners buy some SP, either for self voting, or the attention it attracts, to help themselves earn more?

Isn’t that an important incentive that keeps steem from being bled worthless?

Enjoyed your post. More like this, please!

Yeap, I think it should be self explanatory that mostly younger members should mostly power up their earnings. most of them do actually

People dont like this fact about the real world... But its something almost everyone ends up contributing in. I like your ideas. In essence, its about finding smart ways to trick this collective tendency without trying to force an unnatural behaviour. Work with the flow, not against it ;)

In essence, its about finding smart ways to trick this collective tendency without trying to force an unnatural behavior. Work with the flow, not against it ;)

exactly, you are the first that is "getting it".

And maybe ME too

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I believe the the "money" will intrigue people to come to STEEM, but they will stay and contribute to the community because of the "realness" and positive direction this site has. Much love and success to STEEMIT, this is going to be a online platform game changer.

Every other site or app is just full of fake bullcrap, cant believe anything you read or hear. But on here, people strive to be real and get rewarded for it!

Upvoted, resteemed and of course following you!

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I personally came to Steemit for 2 primary reasons.

  1. The hope thar it was a free and open space where anyone and everyone could voice tbeir opinions and beliefs without censorship
  2. Not gonna lie the prospect of earning even a little extra cash on the side was certainly a bonus

But what I want more than anything else from Steemit is a community. A community that supports each other without the need to tear each other down for the fact that we're all as unique as our opinions and beliefs. So even if I spend years on here, make no money, make lots of crappy posts and say things that not everyone agrees with my real hope is to make real connections.

And also - great post. Helped me understand a lot more about this community.

Agreed, I was honestly looking for no censorship and money, I found both!

Hopefully I don't make a bad impression and get down voted heh. But so far, other than all the talk about peoples posts disappearing etc I've found this place to be fantastic. Its supportive, friendly, funny, crazy, outlandish, outspoken and everything inbetween. I dont know that I could ask for more. And its awesome to know there are like minded people here.

Yeah it is awesome, haven't seen any of my posts get deleted yet but this place is great!

well said!

It is already a game changer. We just need to fine tune it.

Every other site or app is just full of fake bullcrap, cant believe anything you read or hear. But on here, people strive to be real and get rewarded for it!

Indeed there is a special twist here. One can smell the originality. Not many platforms provide this.

Upvoted, resteemed and of course following you!

thank you

agreed! I am addicted to this community haha, came here for the crypto world, but so many topics and I love it. Big stuff going on in here!

I think people on steemit are more likely to be positive for hopes of getting upvotes. Whereas on Facebook there's no monetary award for a "like", so more likely to be negative or say how they feel. But that's just my observation.

I think you are right, but think about this, they train dogs that way to ensure they are good dogs and nice haha, so if that works this will be a great community of nice people!

I can remember some early discussions with you and thinking, "Yeah, they can kind of be an asshole sometimes." Since I think you value outside perspectives, I'd argue that you changed over time to fit what is rewarded (both socially and financially). You and I still disagree on things, but (again, from my subjective perspective), the conversations are more enjoyable now. I feel you are contrary in order to find better understanding, not just to be contrary (and possibly rude in the process). To me, this is one of the greatest values of Steemit. It rewards good behavior and good relational connections.

Obvious self shilling posts, are way too obvious and we all know this.

I agree with this statement, but I also want to bring a counter point. Some "Steemit is great, you need to check it out!" posts are really, really important. IMO, every single account should at least have a few of them. Why? Because humans like narratives and narratives from people they know are more effective than narratives from people they don't know. By writing posts about why I value steemit, I've saved myself countless hours. When my friends ask me about it (which happens often since I share Steemit posts on Twitter and Facebook), I just send them a link and move on. As I use the platform (or, more likely, use a different platform like Facebook), I get new revelations of why I think this place is valuable. Sharing those posts is important. Repeatedly sharing that message is also important. It takes, what, 13 impressions for a marketing message to turn into a sale? I have people that have been watching my posting on Steemit for a year now and they are finally creating accounts and/or posting. It requires repetition.

We're so early on, that this repetition hasn't even started yet. Most people don't even know what bitcoins or blockchains are, let alone Steemit.

That said, if they come here and all the posts are just about bitcoins, blockchains, and steemit, they may not care to remain. Their community interests need to be represented well for them to stick around.

Right now there is dangerous draining of the reward pool.

I've seen talk of this and I'm curious where the "dangerous" comes from. It will reach equilibrium and payouts will adjust accordingly, correct? Is there a point where things will just stop function or something? I don't understand the cause for alarm.

Delegating steem power is an interesting solution along with minimum reward caps. That all exists in the blockchain now, it's just not in the Steemit UI. I agree it should be added. It would be nice for community standards to develop over time such as "Yeah, no one should make more than $10 just sharing a link" but even then, as you said, it's all about patterns we see within human society. It's quite possible no matter how we reorganize things, we'll still have the ~1%, ~15%, and ~85%.

I write posts that express my views. I never really got for the reward-driven-posts. aka. i haven't even made a self shilling Steemit post yet even though i am sure i can cash it pretty well.

Also, half the whales still don't touch my profile nor they ever will due to my confrontation. I still tackle them if I have the chance (like the guy you were arguing against). They just don't seem to get in my way any more and I don't get in theirs. Much of the ill behavior has been resolved and there is no need from me to be critical.

Users might enjoy "that many narratives". After that it becomes rather obvious and rather frustrating for many new Steemians. It might have worked early on but is an old game now. You forget that in social media anything can be rendered old news quite fast.

I have people that have been watching my posting on Steemit for a year now and they are finally creating accounts and/or posting. It requires repetition.

that might be a wrong correlation. The 100+ billion market cap is more likely to be the reason. (that also helped save Steem price btw).

I've seen talk of this and I'm curious where the "dangerous" comes from. It will reach equilibrium and payouts will adjust accordingly, correct? Is there a point where things will just stop function or something? I don't understand the cause for alarm.

Self upvoting creates a shit-tier perception that will not incentivize people to join the platform for the content. It will become a gambling scheme.

Delegating steem power is an interesting solution along with minimum reward caps. That all exists in the blockchain now, it's just not in the Steemit UI. I agree it should be added. It would be nice for community standards to develop over time such as "Yeah, no one should make more than $10 just sharing a link" but even then, as you said, it's all about patterns we see within human society. It's quite possible no matter how we reorganize things, we'll still have the ~1%, ~15%, and ~85%.

I think we have the power to at least try and change this. There is a way because the wealth can be transferable but also retained from the whales. No other economic systems provides such a unique and flexible delegation.

After that it becomes rather obvious and rather frustrating for many new Steemians.

But hasn't this has been the same story for 12 months? It was hard for me to get started also. Is it harder now? Maybe. But when I started, I had a couple friends who invested real money in the platform so my stuff got some rewards. If people don't have that, it's hard to get noticed. Can that really change?

The rise in crypto market cap was certainly the final triggering reason, but they only hear about that rise through my posts talking about Steemit and cryptocurrency. Again, most people don't even know what bitcoins and blockchains are.

It will become a gambling scheme.

It may, but there are multiple perspectives on this. Some feel justified based on their real investment (similar to investing in a mining rig). I think the conversation around that and some community projects are showing them that may not be an acceptable approach according to community values. It's a dynamic thing which is figuring itself out.

No other economic systems provides such a unique and flexible delegation.

Agreed and it'll be quite interesting to see where it goes. The option to just buy steem and power up is always on the table. Some are willing to do that, and some aren't. I run a weekly exchange report on this, so I see how big the numbers are each week.

But hasn't this has been the same story for 12 months? It was hard for me to get started also. Is it harder now? Maybe. But when I started, I had a couple friends who invested real money in the platform so my stuff got some rewards. If people don't have that, it's hard to get noticed. Can that really change?

I believe distributing pools on tags can make people get noticed. I am not even a dolphin and I helped a few friends get some exposure with my meager up-voting. I believe it can happen.

The rise in crypto market cap was certainly the final triggering reason, but they only hear about that rise through my posts talking about Steemit and cryptocurrency. Again, most people don't even know what bitcoins and blockchains are.

True. I noticed in my facebook page though that people are also getting bored of facebook. Eventually they will seek a way out.

It may, but there are multiple perspectives on this. Some feel justified based on their real investment (similar to investing in a mining rig). I think the conversation around that and some community projects are showing them that may not be an acceptable approach according to community values. It's a dynamic thing which is figuring itself out.

It is a dynamic equation but the numbers simply show that most people are not interested about crypto but rather just earning money for posting. Investors really have to understand this.

Tweaking any ecosystem is complicated therefore should be tested in a testnet or a simulation first. That steemit reflects the real world outside is not a bad thing per se in that on steemit we can learn how to deal with it and receive rewards.

Solid post and plenty of good points. Upvoted.

Good recommendations but at the end of the day all it matter is careful manual curation with thoughtful comments. We need to build a self-sustaining infrastructure first.

It is my second month here. And Now I can say I have learnt a lot in these two months. The most important quality I have developed is the patience. We have to improve our quality and have patience to get succeed here. For an artist these qualities are must.

Patience is key to success.

very true.

Not kissing ass, but you articulated what I've noticed after HF 19. We should be able to let someone know that they're being disingenuous with feeling bad or doing so just to keep the positive vibe. Turning a blind eye will just later on the road become a much bigger issue.

indeed

A great post, and no, I'm not just trying to kiss ass here. I've witnessed these same things and share the very same concerns. Do you know of any good posts about the reward pool situation? Will we see it emptied 100% if things don't change? I've been casually following the Steemit scene as I've been enjoying the summer and developing folderall for Steem for the past month or so, meaning I'm really out of the loop. @igster

Nobody knows really. Depends how the market will react to the HF19

Personally I've liked the increase in voting power, but I've heard the issue about people just voting themselves? How big this issue really is compared to before? Haven't whales always voted their own posts to bring visibility to them?

It is different to vote for your own post and different to vote your own comments. I am not sure how big it is but the reward pool has almost dropped half.

there reward pool dropping is due to many factors, self votes is likely a minuscule % thereof

yeap. haven't really investigated the issue but I believe it correlates with other factors such as engagement.

Thid is economics. The early investors benefit and in a way that's how it should be. It sucks but if there were no risk takers we would have no new innovations.

yeap!

@kyiacos - thanks for putting this together so nicely. Been having many discussions around solutions for this particular problem over the last few days.

My stand is incentives modify behavior. To change people's behavior, we need to change the incentives - obviously HF19 isn't working as well as anticipated.

Thanks for putting out some good suggestions for solutions - although I'm sure you will receive flack on some of them.

Let's hope it reaches some ears.

Well, there's already lots of discussion around this. Just hope the right corrective actions are taken to support and incentivize the best culture on steem.

let's hope soon.

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Well, this attention economy model seems somewhat screwed. Or what did they mean by that, these Dan and the other guy (don't remember his name). Because in a more democratic and straightforward model (not an egalitarian one like here), like in an ad revenue model, you get your portion of whatever you wanna get as a result of visitors reading or watching your page content (and maybe seeing ads that get in the way) whoever they are.

But, on the other hand, potential investors should be incentivised to buy tokens (which makes sense) that would give them more power. Yes, this game is about Power!

So, the wealthy get even wealthier... There is something of a rentier paradigm as you rightfully observe

like in an ad revenue model, you get your portion of whatever you wanna get as a result of visitors reading or watching your page content (and maybe seeing ads that get in the way) whoever they are.

but that can be gamed too by using bots or even sheeple followers.

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I just wonder if an average lady minnow who is not very well versed at cryptocurrency could break through into something more than a hobby blog. I mean, Im kinda funny...

you can. it takes time though.

Kyriacos ... first time i read u today . Although i m a new comer yr article is so good .... lots of thinks i got to know .. thanks for posting nicely ... i follow u for further good posts ... i will start my blog writting very soon ..... ..i wish u would follow me too

thank you

Great post. very informative and thanks for sharing and also a word of appreciation for your style of writing. Resteemed :)

thank you

Interesting analysis. Your description of the current social power structure is pretty accurate. That's why I intend to make my experience on Steemit as free of it as possible. I want this to be a place where I can be genuine, since there are so few places left in the "outside" world where it's possible to just be yourself.

well said.

Good post. I have been here for 2 weeks, and have been talking about the Pareto distribution of power and wealth this whole time. It is right there when you join - in your face. Suddenly, SteemIt stops being a platform for the people and becomes more like a tired version of the same tired world we live in.

I don't doubt it will take off anyway, though. As long as there is money involved, there will be those keeping the game alive and newcomers trying their luck. It is too bad it is just... nothing special?

I do hope these conversations are being noted and given some thought. The platform is young, there is still chance for change.

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I don't doubt it will take off anyway, though. As long as there is money involved, there will be those keeping the game alive and newcomers trying their luck. It is too bad it is just... nothing special?

I think it is important to attract people that also care about posting quality content. Otherwise we are just attracting gamblers who just seek to make a quick buck.

Yeah, but quality content must be paid for. It is not charity. You can't have quality content producers doing it for free. It is good when you use SteemIt for an extra buck on the side - which is what most of the people seem to do posting link to, say, their original content on YouTube, but I wouldn't ever consider publishing my own articles exclusively here. I get paid 150$ for them in magazines, but the chances of getting anything like that here any time soon seem quite low.

My point is, there has to be a good reward for quality content. SteemIt is not a good platform for that where if you don't have a following, you post will be down on the list forgotten in under two minutes.

Is it quality though? Thats the question you have to ask yourself.

Until there is more exposure, most quality content will remain in the shadows and the people who got in early will keep trending.

What do you mean, is it quality? Everything has quality, it is a question of degree. =)

But yes, quality or not, whales, as they call them here, will keep trending, and newcomers will stay in the shadows. Some will give up, some will hopefully persevere. I am planning to give it a couple of months before I consider writing more than short opinion pieces and summaries of academic articles. I mean, I personally want a bit more discussion going after putting hours into reading and summarizing an interesting academic paper. Seeing 5-10 views breaks my heart. Literally. =(

Yeap, I meant it in respect to the degree of quality which might be illusive.

I had the same feeling in the beginning. I would advice you not to waste your time. I spend countless hours in making detailed posts and I was getting pennies. Focus on commenting first, build a follow up and then write quality posts.

I agree with everything you said, it's hard to get noticed for a minnow but with effort and persistence, everything could be achieved.

yeap. somehow it pays off. but it is mostly luck when hundreds are doing the same thing and whales are just a handful of people with limited time in their hands.

I like that, social capital, times they are a changing.

I think in time a lot of these issues can be tweaked and worked out. It is supposed to be a social media platform (I believe) so relationship building has value, its not all aboit blogging and people should be able to earn something if they contribute value. Key word is value though, of some kind

Value is subjective. How some people acquire it rather becomes irrelevant

Payout caps might be a good idea. I'd set it at $500. Where would you set it? I like critical posts. They make me think. As long as it's not people resorting to name calling I think it's a good exercise.

$300 .. max posts per day 2.

Seems fair. Do you think that it might disincentive people from joining. I mean the lottery wouldn't attract so many idiots if the payout was capped. Wait a minute. We don't want idiots here! LOL

Do you think that it might disincentive people from joining.

the opposite. It will actually make the platform appear more legit and reasonable.

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I hope somebody picks up on those recommendations soon. Real soon.

I'm not sure they will go down well with all those with many Steemses and associated power, because of short-term interests and blind adherence to economic belief systems.

I think Steemit has been on autopilot for the most part...let's hope it reaches some "important" ears.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

I agree, but some of the economics have been designed in from the beginning, and then left on autopilot.

A change to economic thinking that takes actual human behaviour into account and also changes the way Steem is distributed (by capping) will be resisted by the True Believers and those that reap short-term benefits from things as they stand.

Still, if the "important" ears remain closed, I fear Steemit will be going downhill fast.

BTW there is more marketing in your posting than they will be able to fit into the Steem Park.

I think that sooner or later, our of self preservation, they will have to put cap on payouts and make the platform workable around human behavior. I don't think is that hard to implement technically.

Wtf is Steem Park? :D

So, in real life I live in "the rest of the world", in my virtual life I also find myself in "the rest of the world/minnows". Guess it doesn't make much sense waiting for the afterlife!

in before...same thing applies >_+

This is spot on! It's not about what you know, but who you know. I agree with your proposal to put on a cap on posts so more wealth is passed around and people can be rewarded for their hard worked articles. It's always a let-down when you work on an article for three days only to have it fall flat afterwards. Having a cap will incentivize people to make quality articles because they can be sure that it will have a better chance of getting recognized. Thanks for the great ideas and I look forward to more changes in the future!

Yeap, I think many people at the top forget how discouraging writing for pennies can be....

That's is a perfect example of nutshelling all the information. You have perfectly depicted steemit in this post.

Let's hope it is well received.

Life isnt always fair. There are plenty of exceptional musicians that just never get that record deal that is well deserved above others. So just as life you can push and and do what you love and see were the wind takes you. Or sell your guitar and lock yourself in a hole. So, either keep writting or break your laptop.

Actually life is never fair. it is what it does. I guess one could just go on.

Get busy living or get busy dying...

payment cap would be good... that would get rid of a lot of spam(not the meat).

You have made some good points. The economy and human nature is very fickle. I am here to have fun.

i think we all are

I like most of what you said, especially the cap on post! part.
I have raised this issue in comments on other post's. seems I'm socialist!..lol...
I just do not believe that GREED is GOOD!
I was taught to share as a kid, help those less fortunate than you...
There are a lot of good whales and dolphins doing great things!
I could put in some good plugs for some ... :-)
namaste!

This is not about socialism but about bringing a healthy balance to a young system. We are all greedy. We all want to profit from something.

I agree with You, @kyriacos. Hard choices for beginners: or to suck up to the whales, or to climb myself, getting cents. I want to find a "middle ground" . To declare itself with quality posts. To prove themselves in contests. Take advantage of all the opportunities Whaleshares, MinnowSupportProject and others. The main thing — to believe in yourself.
I need Your advice. I saw here a project (betta version), when to hire for a small fee can take the Power of Voice for a week. What do You think, me to try this?

Never heard of it before but I guess it doesn't hurt trying is the fee is indeed small.

Hmmmm. I thought. Thank You=))

Thanks for this eye opener, being my first full week here, I can start to see some of what you are saying here!
I believe, after being a poster on several "pay for content" social experiments, that Steemit could end up taking the likes of Facebook and Twitter to account.
Recently (last year), Tsū gave Facebook a run for its money and sadly fell on its face, but not for the reasons you may suspect. Again, I believe, Tsū scared the hell out of Facebook with so many of Tsū users sharing posts to Facebook that the giant which Facebook is stopped allowing posts from Tsū to be shared into their platform!
Well, you can guess the outcome of such censoring by Facebook and they had to relent!

But this was not enough to keep Tsū alive for long. We Tsū users thought we had won the day until out of the blue one fine day, Tsū just decided to go black and locked out all of its users!
They closed the doors and explained the they were happy that the experiment was a success and that we could cash out any accounts worth $100 or more, well that left many, many users extremely upset, for their accounts never ever reached such high amounts for the same reasons you state here!

But, here on Steemit, we have the potential to carry on where Tsū left off!

I will follow your postings, as you seem to have your finger on the pulse, thanks again!

It seems that the platform mades its impact and it is ready to sell.

I hope it gets a good price!

I noticed this from the beginning. It's one of the reasons I never joined at the outset. Thank you for pointing it out though. I decided to test the waters here with some intellectual content. There's a corollary to that 'social nature of humanity' thing and it's the dynamic we see playing out around us everyday. Great article, thank you!

I think the guys up top need to understand more people like you. We often forget how outsiders from crypto see the platform.

Indeed! :-)

That was definitely a good read.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers.

thank you

Another post about killing the golden goose. I suspect you may have seen my comments on that post, so I won't repeat myself.

What I would like to say is that you have a great solution that I think could actually work. There are a lot of people doing various initiatives to help the minnows from becoming frustrated, but those are just bandages to a gaping wound. The cap on rewards will definitely spread the wealth around by leaving more in the award pool, and the delegation of SP will allow more people to reward authors with curation rewards. I know of one person who is already looking for people to take some of his SP and curate with it. I have applied, but there are so many applicants that there is no way all of them can receive some delegated SP. We need more whales to offer some of their SP and help out the distribution.

These 2 solutions are great initiatives and would help out a lot. Now the problem is, can we successfully implement them?

"We need more whales to offer some of their SP and help out the distribution." That's simply socialism. It;s the way the system was designed and every user should just put up with it. And try. And hope.

Try and hope for what? An ever decreasing supply of bread crumbs?

You and I are already here and have had the chance to already earn a few steem. We are the lucky ones. Those who will sign up in a year from now will find the competition extremely fierce if the rate of new members continues at its current pace. Finding a sympathetic whale or dolphin to push those new members along will be putting more and more strain on the few trying to help. Most of the new members will struggle with little hope.

I'm not looking at just today, I'm looking down the road.

It;s the way the system was designed and every user should just put up with it.

Why SHOULD they put up with it? Why should they not simply see the futility and go elsewhere, where things look brighter? If they are new, they have nothing invested and would likely quickly discover that they are wasting time and effort that could be better spent elsewhere. As the exodus begins, the entire system begins to falter. Is that really what we want for this platform? Will this platform survive with just a few members?

I'm not suggesting I know the future, but simply presenting my thoughts of what might happen if things stay as they are. I like this platform, I believe in it, and I want it to succeed. If my ideas can make it better, I would be foolish not to at least present my thoughts for discussion.

I welcome opposing ideas. Tell me your vision and why mine are wrong.

I guess we will wait and see with the next fork.

I think Dollar Vigilante is offering his subs "discount" tickets to his Jeff Berwick "atta boy" gathering in Acapulco. So at least we know Dollar Virgil is making his contribution...the discount ticket price. Better hurry at get yours noooooow!

Wait..........
I'm going to resteem this before dropping my reply

Positive attitude towards others in any social circle ultimately injects positive energy in yourself and vice versa. So, rightly said, social capital matters the most.

See, what I want to see is MORE. Crypto, as much loved as it is right now, has huge hurdles to cross (mostly regulatory) before it can begin to be what we all want it to be. I would love to see more from this site than just a sort of mutant blog/Reddit clone, because the more crypto can work its way into society, the harder it is to dislodge by the efforts that I can guarantee are coming, and the more feasible it is as an alternate money.

indeed

Very well written post, I really enjoyed it. Thank you for reminding about first impressions, I wish I could have made better impression on your previous post. The way you describe the current state of how things work in steemit, in my opinion, right on point. I like the idea of delegation too, there probably should be some gain for whales too though.
I am not sure about reward cap though. Wouldn't that discourage new users? Seeing few pennies is better than nothing, I would think.
I have no doubt platform will keep increasing in user base. But what concerns me is, since there is only fixed amount of steem created, would that drain the rewards even thinner?, and would it stay viable for people stay interested?

I am not sure about reward cap though. Wouldn't that discourage new users?

Not really. It will actually incentivize them since high rewards will be within reach. Also there would be more rewards for them.

But what concerns me is, since there is only fixed amount of steem created, would that drain the rewards even thinner?, and would it stay viable for people stay interested?

Exactly, we need more people joining in so that steem will be created.

Are you saying if more people join amount of steem created will increase?
I thought it was fixed amount of steem regardless of the user base.

I meant the price. my bad.

Limits on the pay out for any single post make sense to me. But that's now when I'm making $3 and watching $1500, and realizing most of the $1500 are not really worth that much. But who is going to define the "right" limit that anyone should make on any post?

Stopping self-voting on your own comments is an obvious and easy tweak that should be done

STEEM On!!

Dave

Price is subjective indeed but a cap should keep things more balanced. No doubt they will be the same people in the beginning earning top dollar but at least we will see more names trending.

If the cap was $500, there would be a lot more than 10 names that would regularly get to that level, so we would see random display of at least 20 or 30 names in the trending report, as opposed to always the same 10

Perhaps even a better answer is each user can customize their own trending, and then the names at top will at least be in categories of personal interest to each user

Perhaps even a better answer is each user can customize their own trending, and then the names at top will at least be in categories of personal interest to each user

this is actually a very good idea.

Platform has to get more intelligent and start customizing what each user is presented with. Mandatory capability for any major site. Growth of steemit.com will be much less than it could be, until this level of customization is added in

Ideally the customization would be learned in the background with AI tools, so the user doesn't have to take explicit actions. Even yahoo can do this.

But as second best, users could be allowed to control their own customization for what gets presented to them.

Today the only customization of information presented is the mute button.

Need much more than that, to take steemit.com to the next level.

well said.

The greed of mankind will kill out itself at the rate it is going, in-spite of the few trying to preserve and make it better. I love the knowledge that what is said is preserved forever on the blockchain to perhaps be available for future generations to see how issues were handled and which solutions worked for the betterment of mankind. Resteemit!

Yeap, that is indeed a good idea

I am new to steem but I can appreciate your points. I believe that if quality articles can be viewed, shared and appreciated by others, then that has to be a positive - a question is, what prevents that? The governance of steem? Human behaviour? I am still learning.

I think that steem is evolving and that your points and the points of others are important to consider, it is a good discussion.

The human dynamic is rather a peculiar thing.

Apes gonna Ape

I love that! LOL
I'm reminded of a livestream AMA with Guy Kawasaki. Someone asked, "How'd you get the job at Apple?" He actually laughed and said, "Fuckin' nepotism, man." That kind of stuck with me. Good or bad, it is what it is.

epic answer

You illustrated exactly what I wasn't able to put in words. Thank you!

glad I did man.

The problem with steemit is not a steemit problem, it is a human problem. That is why humanity is playing out these same problems all over the world in most facets of life.
When humans learn to be honest, and live for ideals/principles/values then we won't have problems in Steemit either.
It is possible that Steemit could somehow creat a "utopia" where it was the "solution" to the worlds problems and provides everyone what they wanted. Though it is not likely, not atlas until humanity is awakened. Though at this point we won't even need Steemit per say and there will already be far better options.
As usual very intelligent observations and thought constructs. Not sure what the end results will be or what the solutions will be but I do feel Steemit does have a lot of potential for adaptation and a fairly sustainable structure for ones really involved.
Keep sharing thought provoking and challenging posts. Regardless of if its rainbows and cotton candy. I have noticed though u are less "offensive" or "confrontational" than u used to be but u still seem to make clear and hard points. So its a good balance. U get a lot of up votes so regardless of the whale many agree with enough influence to sustain in.
Thats a good sign.
SteemON~*~

I don't think honesty has anything to do with it. Opportunism though...now that's a kick in the balls.

Steemit is a social experiment above everything. Right now it does reflect much of the outside world. Maybe it can change. Only time will tell.

I've been thinking about this for a while, but I just feel lie I have to continue via the intellectual direction. I always did on Facebook with only 0-3 likes per post, It's the only way I know how to socialize... heh. May not be lucrative but it's me

whew!
TL:DR

suggestion: rather than make one LONG post.
cut it into chunks..
each chunk discussing just ONE subject.
more chance it will be read.
you make MORE posts
you make MORE steem
I can't see a downside.

I already made one post today and I don't enjoy much making Steemit posts since they always seem to be repetitive. I try not to milk the pool either.

good.
more for me.

If only this type of reward existing throughout the entire web, there would be a lot less cyber bulling then there is today. If others were rewarded with something of value for giving positive feed back and energy then I know that a lot of this negativity that does exist would diminish tremendously.

Indeed but that might create an endless hippy circle jerking that is also equally bad.

Congratulations @kyriacos!
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With you on all this. What would we have to do to build a system where the highest quality, not the most liked, posts would be "winners"?

It's getting harder to persuade my crew to post on Steemit; when good stuff doesn't get rewarded on one platform it'll just go find a new home.

Even if FB doesn't pay me, it sure is nice to have a few hundred friends notice the effort. Damn, the social lure is POWERFUL.

Steem the fuck on!

Yeap, I think many people see the problem but few dare to speak out. We can work together on this. it just takes a little determination.

I agree. I'd like to see the gal who posts the vacation vlogs each day (and rakes in $1500 each time) do an experiment. She should cash in now and go away for a year and eat like a hog....and then post the story about it. You wanna bet she doesn't make $50 on the vlog about that purrtickler experience? I'd upvote it tho. :-)

@kyriacos

Social capital is much more important than intellectual and financial capital.

On steemit, with the eyes as a new minnow, I see this value.

yeap!

I've wondered about how to "break in" and see many posts that make me wonder if it's really possible. But I hold on to it's still early, and using your analogy about it being like the outside world, since it's still early, opportunity may still be around for those who work at it. Hoping so anyway.

it is hard to gain visibility but not impossible

Great post. Viva Steemit!

That's exactly what I thought after 2 days here. People will be people, and when money and power is involved they screw it up. They always do. ALWAYS. read a history book. So if no rules are implemented to stop people from killing this, they will .... and it'll be a shame! Because in principle this is a very good system, but so was communism .... in principal!

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rules don't make much sense if they favor some people. The system needs to self-regulate otherwise it will implode.

But a society is based on rules, that's the very definition of a society ... without rules there's anarchy, chaos ... it will eventually self regulate ... and the result will be an upper 1% that rules with depressing force over the other 99% scraping by. That's the problem with humanity ... rules or self-regulation it always ends in this same situation followed by revolution. And the cycle starts again. Something like steemit is just the same, but on a much faster, digital age scale. (I'm just rambling :) ... don't mind me)

Rules can be made in a way that help everyone.

Interesting.

Great post, definitely a constant work and patience are a key to success here! Thank you for your contributionism, cheers, Damir

yeap. patience can go a long way

100% L-E-G-I-T E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G

(and I'm not sucking up to the author!)

:)

Another solution is making Steem Power depreciable so that whales had to generate good content to maintain or increase their power. If you upvote, a portion of your Steem Power converts into reward to an author. If you don't upvote, the Steem Power depreciates passively. So it will be about "velocity of power", which means that the monetary framework of steemit will favour authors who continue to deliver high quality content.
Like in the real economy, the problem is not concentration of wealth itself, but a lack of real competition in achieving the high ranks. If those on the top are people who had and have been working hard to get there it is perfectly fine.

this is very unlikely to happen :)

Not on steemit probably, but the real life will see the demurrage based system soon.

Thanks for this! Followed and upvoted! Why did you join Steemit? Just curious...

I wanted to start a blog since I used to write almost everyday posts on facebook. A friend recommended me this platform and since then I never looked back.

OK nice, how are you making money on it?

I started not making anything. Slowly I build a following and here I am earning in some posts. not so much in others. depends.

How do you decide what tags to use?

check the home page of steemit on your right

OK thanks

I'm new here and my first impression is that steemit is more interesting than most other social-media I'm using and this post is very well written. It gave me more insight what steemit is all about. Loved it, keep up posting !

glad you enjoyed it

Seems pretty egalitarian, but what criteria is used to select the dolphins to disseminate steem power? I'm curious to hear more about the how of your post.

I guess this will be chosen from the whales. I am not a socialist.

Nice post Upvoted thanks for shariing @kyiacos and visit my wall plz if u can when you free thanks alit

The internet world is just a reflection of the real world without pretension. Add money into the foray and it's simply a free-for-all. I love your suggestion for a cap since it will level the playing field for the minnows and the newbies entering the Steemit game.

Nobody likes to play a game where it's rigged. There's a reason why people are flocking to cryptocurrencies and Steemit.

I love this piece and I cannot put words down as succinctly as you on the same subject. Great work and keep criticizing without being too skeptical. Haha. :D

:)

Excellent post! Steemit has the potential to finally be a platform to reward good content via community member input. You are correct that quality posts are not always recognized nor rewarded. Greed and absolute power can corrupt any system. We see this with governments across the globe. Spreading both power and wealth among all users in the Steemit system is imperative for its longevity. Otherwise, it will mainly consist of the powerful at the top and a constant turnover of newbies at the bottom that quickly quit when Steemit is perceived to be an unfair and broken system. Still very optimistic, but keeping a watchful eye.

yeap!

I come across this post after reading your other post about Gay. The trending topic is pretty much from the same people and sometimes, the content put there is not something I would like to read. I honestly think there are so many good but underrated content all over the steemit in general.

Despite of all this upvote and reward thing, I am having fun using this platform to share my ideas and making new friends along the way while also learning a little bit about crypto and its family.

By the way this post is really readable and very clean formatting.

Cheers

glad you went scooping around. indeed there are some jewels if you are willing to search