But where does the money come from? - Explained with World of Warcraft.steemCreated with Sketch.

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My good mate and proud new father, Hayden, introduced himself yesterday.
He's been lurking a while, but had some questions before jumping in.

The big one, as always... 'Where does the money come from?'

It's easy to assume, as I first did, that steemit started with a lot of investment from the founders/developers, and that they're essentially giving away money to authors, hand over fist, while hoping new investors will keep topping up the account until the place gets big enough to support itself through advertising, or some other source of revenue.

This is not the case at all.

I used an analogy to explain it to Hayden, and I'd like to expand on it here.


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Blizzard Entertainment has a hugely popular PC game, World of Warcraft.

Players go on missions, and earn gold for playing well.
They can then use this gold to buy gear to make themselves more effective players of the game, and earn more gold, faster.

Their gold earning capacity is affected by;

  • Their gear (armour, weapons, spells, amulets)

  • Their skill

  • Their perserverance


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Not all players have the patience or competence to succeed, so some offer to buy WoW gold from other players in exchange for real money.
The buyer then uses this gold to buy expensive swords, boots and rings, making him a more effective player in the virtual world.
The seller pays his electricity bill in the real world.


It's important to note that Blizzard aren't giving their WoW gold value, any more than Nintendo backs the value of Super Mario coins.


It's the environment that Blizzard created which gives WoW gold it's value.
People who want to be effective in that environment value the internal currency which makes them so, and are therefore willing to pay regular money to acquire it.

Now if all players were in one instance of the game, all playing on the same server, and the amount of gold to be won was finite; then having better gear than most others would give a player a better chance at getting a bigger slice of that fixed pie.
We can also assume that any gold he sells will fetch a higher price as the number of willing buyers (people who want to be effective in that place) increases.
Finding the game early, anticipating it's success, and hoarding gold would be a smart move for an insightful speculator.

He might do this by playing the game directly and keeping all the gold he finds.
He might invest the gold he finds into top-end gear, with which to win more gold to re-invest or hoard; or
He might just see an investment opportunity and buy it from other players, perhaps without even playing the game.

Those selling their WoW gold for real money may assume that the whole thing is a pyramid scheme, and that Blizzard will run out of money soon; but they misunderstand the nature of the transaction.

They're not being paid for playing well, by Blizzard; they're being compensated by a speculator, for handing over a chunk of their future effectiveness.
This cycle can feed on itself, with more speculators driving up the price and encouraging more speculation, but that is true of anything; and it's certainly not a problem for outstanding players with outstanding electricity bills.


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There's only so much a person will pay to be good at a video game; but steem is far more than a game.


You can keep steem, just like keeping WoW gold, or you can power it up into steem power, just like buying gear to make you more effective.
Effectiveness on steem doesn't just give a steemer the chance to make more steem (although it certainly does that through increased curation rewards), it also gives him influence.

He gets to put a soapbox under arguments he likes, and kick it out from under arguments he doesn't.

Just like expensive armour and weapons allow a player increased scope to dictate the outcome of battles and the allocation of gold in WoW, a high steem power balance lets a steemer push a friend toward the top of the trending page, drive his own observations into the top of the comments section of a post, or substantially reduce the payout on a post he believes undeserving.


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We often use a fire hose analogy to talk about the way steem power lets us direct that day's finite rewards at those we feel most deserving, but the fire hose is also a spotlight; and as millions and millions of fresh eyeballs arrive on this platform, the ability to illuminate content will be ardently sought by people with deep pockets.

I don't know how much the big brands pay for reach on Facebook, but when they follow their customer base over to steem, I want to be the guy selling or leasing it to them.

Ned isn't giving you money.
He and Dan built an environment which gives popular contributors influence over that environment.
People like myself, (who believe that more people are coming, quickly followed by those who want to reach them); are buying influence over this place from those contributors who've earned it.

...and that's where the money comes from.

As always, have a fantastic day

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I cannot upvote this enough. Your explanation resounds with me utterly and completely, a resounding thumbs up. Thank you @mattclarke for not only taking the time to explain "where the money comes from", but to explain it to me in a way you knew I would get it. This is a quality post and should be read by anyone who has recently done their first #introduceyourself. Thanks again!

I absolutely love your article that masterfully articulates this new world environment involving crypto currency and specifically Steemit. Thanks again!

Glad to help, Abe :)
Welcome aboard.

I played WOW and I kind of understand. Great analogy. Thanks for sharing!

This is great, I always wondering how the payout work around here and was happy to just right it off as magic, but it's starting to make perfect sense.

I find it gives me a lot more confidence.
If it's magic, it might stop working, and we'd have no idea how to fix it.
Looking forward to hearing a price on those steemit coins.
Did we get to the 1000 mark yet?

This was very well put. I tried explaining something like this yesterday, but not nearly as eloquently. I think I'll use this in the future. Thanks for the share! Upvoted, resteemed, and followed!

Thankyou, @littlescribe. It's nice to have finally written it down so it doesn't need to rattle around in my head any more :)

Excellent breakdown of the Steemit monetary concept. I'm really glad I stumbled across it. It's about influence, and influence is worth$$$.

Correct. It's what lobbyists pay millions of dollars in favours for.
Influencing public opinion.

Yes this is what I needed to see... it's the environment that is offered... thank you sir

That is a great way of explaining the question that everyone, without exception, that I've talked to about steemit asks. Resteeming so I can easily find it in the future when asked again

Thanks mate.
Finally a nice day in Adelaide. I'm doing so much washing right now.

Hope you got it all done. Seems to be raining outside here already today

Nothing better than using some World of Warcraft to explain some things.
This has helped me and it will definitely help some users who are sceptical about this system and how it will never work.
Thank you for your explanations @mattclarke

This comparison was really cool, for me as ex-gamer it is the best explanation you can ever imagine :) Would there be any analogy in PVE and PVP ? :)

Bots vs people. We're getting there :)

An insightful post. I haven't played WoW but I understand what you're saying. This will be a very effective analogy targeted at a specific demographic. You are dead right about early adopters staking a claim and the inevitability of big brands following the customer base over here. I hope commercial interests never start to dominate the whale class though because that would definitely be the time to sell for me.

Or perhaps you have some thoughts or positions you'd like illuminated.
As an ancap (anarcho-capitalist) I'd like to keep that philsophical position front and centre here, to expose a wide audience to our content.
Imagine having the power to drive a post to the top of the trending page on reddit.
You might sell it, or you might just decide to keep it.

I'm more of a classic libertarian, so not that dissimilar to your philosophy. But probably not wise to get into a debate about political ideologies on here if we're going to be friends! :)

I am a firm believer that any commodity or product has its price. If the big commercial interests moved in and drove the STEEM price to the moon I'd be selling and then if the platform became compromised and dominated by said commercial interests....well I'd be investing in a new grassroots platform (maybe even using the same technology) to get started.

That's the thing I love about cryptos, freedom of choice is wide so if any bad actors start buying up and trying to control it....well you just cash out and start again :)

Give it six months, we'll have you in yellow and black :)

If I suck at Wow, would I be forever noob here too?

Sorry, but yes. The dream is over.

Hmmm, I'm actually more confused after reading this post, than I was after reading the Steem White Paper....

But maybe this will help someone else! :)

If you don't follow, that's on me; not you.
Where did I lose you?

I think my concerns are more about how the correlations are drawn, not necessarily the explanation.

For Example:

Now if all players were in one instance of the game, all playing on the same server, and the amount of gold to be won was finite; then having better gear than most others would give a player a better chance at getting a bigger slice of that fixed pie.

  • There is not a "finite" amount of Steem or Steem Power .. there's the daily rewards pool (which I guess is "finite", but it changes daily and is a new increase to the previously existing Steem/SBD/SP, so as a stickler of details this part threw me off.)
    Then there's also the inflation .. but that's not an easy one to cover with analogies :)

You can keep steem, just like keeping WoW gold, or you can power it up into steem power, just like buying gear to make you more effective.
Effectiveness on steemit doesn't just give a steemer the chance to make more steem (although it certainly does that through increased curation rewards), it also gives him influence.

  • I was going to say that this part was wrong, but thinking through it a little more, I think you nailed it.
    Steem is the liquid currency, and at a basic level, it's the same idea as the gold in WoW.
    Steem Power doesn't just increase your curation rewards .. but since self-voting is discouraged, I guess mentioning that part is counter-productive .. so again, nailed it.

Just like expensive armour and weapons allow a player increased scope to dictate the outcome of battles and the allocation of gold in WoW, a high steem power balance lets a steemer push a friend toward the top of the trending page, drive his own observations into the top of the comments section of a post, or substantially reduce the payout on a post he believes undeserving.

  • I don't really like the last part here .. while it's not inaccurate, it does lead one to believe that this is an acceptable practice on Steemit -- which it is NOT. Reducing an "undeserving" post is akin to censorship IMO, so the phrasing may be slightly misleading.
    I'd probably discuss it as something along the lines of a Powerful Player (or group of powerful players) using their armor/weapons/gear to suppress a cheater (since there are no "mods" on Steemit).

Those selling their WoW gold for real money may assume that the whole thing is a pyramid scheme, and that Blizzard will run out of money soon; but they misunderstand the nature of the transaction.

  • Well, Steem Power actually has the exact same effect as a Pyramid Scheme, but as long as those who have the large amounts of power want to continue to grow in their influence, abusing their power is disincentivized (because to your other point, the value of Steem is Speculative and Speculators would de-value it if whales were abusing their power) .. so I get what you're saying :)
    My biggest concern is that Whales are actually incentivized to let small fish become medium fish, but not grow beyond that point. And this is something that they can absolutely control via self-voting their SP onto their own content ... so I'm curious how this all plays out in the future.

Good, detailed critique.
I appreciate the feedback. Unfortunately, no analogy is perfect; we need to make trade offs between accuracy and simplicity.
With this one I'm angling more for real noobs who can't bring themselves to engage until they understand just a little more of how this place works.
I've certainly simplified in places, but I've tried not to give the wrong impression at any point.

You mean |\|3\/\/|3$ who are familiar with WoW :)

Money comes from production that is valuable to others. It's also a store of your and other's production in a game just as much as it is in real life.

Steemit is "mined" each day, and it is given out based on upvotes. The more Steem Power a person has, the more of the daily production is controlled by them. That is how I've understood things at least.

I guess the production on Steemit could be considered the content added to the blockchain? Then the better content is rewarded more as better production in real life would be rewarded more.

That's right. Popularity is assumed to imply quality; which I'm sure is horrific to those who subscribe to the Labor Theory of Value.

Haha that's a perfect explanation using World Of Warcraft! I'm sure this will clear things up for many users who still have questions where the money comes from on steemit and how it can be used.

Thanks mate. Hayden was carpet bombing me with questions, (and thanking me profusely), but cross examination certainly helps you find the flaws and holes in your argument, so he was doing me a favour, forcing me to think carefully about where it comes from, and how best to explain it.

Awesome explanation, it makes it really easy for newbies to understand, great effort matt.

I particularly like the rosellas grooming with a clear job to do.

this is the best way i have seen this described, i am always trying to explain how steem works but people just have a hard time understanding

the only issue with this explenation is me using a WOW analogy to explain to my mum how steem works...

still will not work...

BUT it will work with anyone that has ever played any mmorpg or is familiar with them... big step forward

thanks and upvoted

For what it's worth, I've never actually played WoW, it's just the best example I could think to use.
Not sure the analogy could stretch to Candy Crush :)

you could use sugar as candy crush money??
on another note, I know I am not one of the people that you follow but I would like to apply so you can unfollow me after
I would really like to win a competition today and I am kinda bored right now:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@mattclarke/announcing-my-exciting-new-competition-i-ll-be-choosing-one-steemer-to-unfollow-each-day-for-the-rest-of-the-year
so here is my application

please resteem this comment since this is the most important thing you will do all day and will bring you absolutely nothing but may boost my account by 0,004 SBD and gain me 1,5 followers that will never upvote my stuff anyway...
all this does not matter RESTEEM ANYWAY

just to make this post even better I have provided you with a screenshot of unformatted text and one of a blurry tree

DID I WIN????
DID I??? DID I??? DID I???
I WON DIDNT I???

Great explanation in a Wowverse sorta way. I get wowverse...

Hahahaha

Great idea for explain this!

hehe what a cool post lol :D great gifs added too that made it more cool