Hi Steemers,
I have searched through #steemit using search and I have checked on the various site menus, I don't see a page listing rules or a guideline on posting anywhere yet I see newbies and the not so new being flagged for rules so firstly I would like to ask if @dan @ned @anyx or any of the powers that be if you could please make a page for this on the website, its hard to follow rules / guidelines if you don't know what they are ,then eventually only to have someone flag you and mention it in you comments which kind of makes a person look bad which is really not cool.
The Rules
In Order to help everyone below is a list of rules that I have managed to put together from various run in's either with admins or users and even landing on posts with the rule broken mentioned in their comments.
Rules bellow
- You may not post more than 4 times a day.
- You may not post items within 1 minute per post blogs and comments.
- You may not put images in your comments.
- You may no link to your page from a comment unless it is relevant to the post where the comment is placed.
- You should not use images in your post that you do not own or have the right to use, where you do have permission to use these images a credit link to the source must be placed.
- You may not repost either yours or the posts of others.
- Your content must be unique and written by yourself not plagiarized from the internet.
- You may use your content elsewhere however a link must be placed in your post to the other external website and from the external website back to your post.
- Tag your post to the correct relevant categories.
EDIIT 1 Seems it may be 20 seconds between comments.
EDIT 2 As you will see in my comments it was advised by @demotruk that these should be called guidlines and that the the philosophy should be explained first and made clear with which I agree.
I criticised you for using an image in your comments, but it was only because you were putting it in almost every comment, it was self-promoting and not relevant to the topic. I didn't flag you for it but I would have if it persisted. I would have then muted you and that would likely be the last we'd see of each other.
In this way we are able to decide for ourselves in a distributed fashion what is abusive and what is not. If you could accept one flag and nobody else ever flagged you for it, you could happily go on posting that image to your heart's content. It's only if lots of people felt as I do that you would probably be under social pressure to stop advertising yourself in comments in this way.
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Personally I saw it as branding, a way of getting known everywhere I posted which many responded to that they liked it, at no point was my intention to spam but to promote, I do appreciate the way you handled it though thank you :)
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I was just going to ask about this, I've posted a couple pictures in comments but they were related to the original post and just my contribution to the conversation. Thanks for clearing this up :
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Don't tag incorrectly
( I thought you were able to post pics in comments)
Also always add pic when you post or no one will read it.
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perhaps @anyx can clarify on this for us :)
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You just need 1 more and it can become a list of the: Ten Commandments of Steemit
You would however have to change You may or should (not) with Thou shalt (not)... :D
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I have already done that: https://steemit.com/steemit/@susanne/the-ten-commandments-of-steemit-a-baby-troll-crab
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Nice one @susanne, you have posted it even before me coming to steemit, so I did not see it.
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Thank you :)
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You should have picture of the tablets and write in old English but still a good one. Nothing is new!
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lol good point
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Feel free to use the idea :)
You have already done most of the work anyway...
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Please repost this thread with a picture of Ten Commandments and reworded in King James English. This would be a great post.
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lol denny :)
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i have one "don't be a dick"
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lol ahem maybe that will go in the un official rules page
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Awesome guide! Thanks.
Found a teeny typo; "You may no link" I assume should be "You may not link".
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One newbie here! Thanks for the information you've shared! It helps! 😊
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brilliant post it is a good one at that and makes a statement i am not sure if that is the correct way in saying it but what ever and i hope it goes up trending for more to see
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thank you @lovetosteemit soe may call it rules while others do not, for me if I get called out for it in steem chat, in a comment and then flagged it becomes a rule, what are your thoughts?
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All Negative????
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well they are rules that people have been flagged on and I myself have had issues with I dont think its negative though
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When you say "you may not post more than 4 times a day", would that include comments. I would think that's not what you meant but comments show up under posts so wanted to verify what you meant. I'm not a huge fan of rules, I would prefer principles, rules are narrow and don't apply to all situations, principles allow people to use their own judgment to make the right decision. What I would like to see on here is an easily accessible FAQ or a persistent thread for newbies. You kind of have to read through a lot of posts to figure out the basics and unfortunately I have found incorrect or conflicting information in people's posts that doesn't always get corrected. The white paper is good but very technical and doesn't answer everything.
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@globe no its blog posts I am referring to, I am unsure if there is a limit on comments, I doubt it, I guess it could be called principles but when you see users being flagged for transgressing then I would say its a rule would'nt you ? I to have had conflicting information hence the above is based on where I have been flagged or others.
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Sure, there have to be some rules, any things that are hard coded into the framework would be an example, but as a general principle, I think principles are more useful than rules. When it comes to giving guidance on how people should conduct themselves or what type of content is appropriate, I think it would be more effective to communicate in terms of principles rather than giving people a list of hard rules. As @bullionstackers said, these are all negative. I think people may respond better to a positive message.
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I do tend to agree with you in that sense, @demotruk suggested the wording guidlines which I think is good would you say then it would be a good idea to have a set of guidlines displayed on the website so people can avoid themselves getting flagged ?
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Thank you SO SO much this really does help.
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Its a pleasure
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There are no rules. You judge for yourself what is appropriate or not. You have the ability to vote for what you deem valuable, flag what you deem abusive, and change your behaviour if you are getting a poor or negative response from the community.
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Thank you for your input @demotruk however if you get flagged for it or threatend to be flagged for it on every post you transgress is it not then a rule?
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No, since rules are formal and need a formal process to change and enforce. The informal equivalent would normally be called "guidelines". Inevitably they lead to centralised authority because formal processes can usually be abused. Guidelines are just advice on how to behave which minimize the likelihood of a dispute. Anyone can advise on guidelines and it's up to individuals to choose whether they are important enough to them to abide by them and to encourage others to.
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Thank you again for your input :) perhaps guidelines would then be a better word to use , but would you agree then that these guidelines should be displayed somewhere on the website so users would know what they are?
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Yes, but the philosophy should be explained first, and it should be made clear that it's only advice, not a strict ruleset.
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Thank you for posting this, I am sure it will help many on Steemit. Wish this was done sooner
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Only a pleasure crazycow
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Fantastic thank you mrgrey I have been flagged in the past and I had no idea why, at least now I know
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I have been looking for something like this, I did not know how to move forward without doing so.
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Please excuse my ignorance in advance. I am a newbie. I'm not super internet savvy to begin with either. I understand completely rules regarding plagiarism and other legal matters, however I thought the beauty of Steemit was to decentralize control from the few to the many.
It seems rules like a limit on the number of posts per day is simply to suit the rule makers fancy and enable a form of censorship under the threat of downvoting. If someone produces good content all day long and wants to post it, what's wrong with that? I'm just asking the question for consideration. Isn't that counter to Steemit's value proposition? Less control, less rules, more freedom. Thank you for reading.
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@freeinthought you have very valid points and I wish I had the answers, I am hoping that the whales or @dan @ned @anyx could help though to clarify
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Thank you for sharing your summary of the rules nevertheless, It is helpful. In the meantime I hope we do get clarification from the moderators else I fear Steemit will fizzle the moment another platform with the promise of a censorship free community comes along.
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If someone produces good content all day long then yes it would be nice to see their content all day.
But that's not what would happen if we could all post all day long.
What would happen is the high-quality writers would spend a substantial amount of time on one or two posts to make their post high quality, while the low-quality writers would spend very little time on every pointless meme they post.
The meme's would wash away the high quality post making it harder to find and reward.
Quality over Quantity
That's the purpose of the reward dilution after 4 posts.
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Thank you so much for the heads up. This will be a great help for us newbies. I have already broken the rules by reposting my intro. I didn't now how to include my profile pic and I had to repost.
After posting I discovered that I put in the wrong link for the image. How do I edit the second post and delete the first one? Would appreciate some help. Thanks.
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Hi @chanda only a pleasure, if you go to your post right at the bottom you will find a link beside the reply button you can use that to add a link, as far as I know there is no way to delete a post.
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This is very helpful Thanks!
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Ref: "You may use your content elsewhere however a link must be placed in your post to the other external website and from the external website back to your post."
I was looking for this since yesterday. Thanks a lot
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Thank you - I'm just starting and not much traction yet so I was wondering about reposting some of the early blogs - no can do I see :-) - it's all good.
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Hmm this is quite helpful. So, if I used to post my poetry on WordPress, I can post it here as long as I link the WordPress on my Steemit post, and the Steemit link on the Wordpress post?
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This is helpful, thank you for posting!
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Only a pleasure
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Perfect - this is what I have been looking for as a newby - just paranoid I would do something wrong or just waist my time and everybody elses. Just read the story on Cheetah and it's all starting to make since.. Thanks again
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only a pleasure wymetto
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I hit the 'follow' button - looking forward to more tips and tricks you might pick up.
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seems you read my mind on that one, I have a few planned lol
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