One of the primary goals of Steem’s reward system is to produce the best discussions on the internet
I have read Steemits whitepaper over and over, each time picking up on more and more. The quote above was taken from page 16.
So Steemit want to produce the best discussion on the internet but the problem is, finding them. To produce the best discussions, we need the best articles and I have found some awesome authors writing top notched article and really engaged curators that are commenting and engaging with these authors and rewarding the posts with votes.
Why Do We Need a Contribution Score?
There are now over 1M registered accounts on Steemit. However many of these are bots, or services, or scammers and cheaters. @steemclearners and @cheetah work hard to fight spam, along with many others fighting to save the rewards pool. But some accounts are finding ways around it, or open multiple accounts. Then you also have the circle jerks whose reach is limited to a small few accounts.
With all of these problems finding truly engaged people on the STEEM blockchain can be difficult. There are tools to sort and filter content, but it can be rather difficult to find consistent steemains. Consistent as in they are working towards the goal of producing the ‘best discussions on the internet’, that spread their engagement far and wide, that post quality content and comments and have a long term vision of STEEM.
We have seen the successful results with @abh12345 league of engagement and my Indonesia league of engagement. However these leagues are limited to opt in and many people on Steemit never see the posts and so don’t get involved.
In addition to all of this, competition is coming to STEEMIT. Once such example is ONO. ONO are currently running an on boarding process, where 300K people will be invited to the app prior to open launch. They are currently boasting 285K users with 65% retention rate.
Retention is a massive problem on Steemit and there are many factors involved in the disappointing rates I previously published. So many accounts are bots, there are delays in registration, some people lose their keys and open new accounts and some people are just grabbing account names while they can.
With the ONO on boarding process, all of these problems are eliminated as they are using a multiple step identification process, and they also have their own contribution score.
There are other platforms to that are rewarding crypto currency to content creators and curators, such as Wildspark and Brave.
The STEEM Contribution Score Table
To help solve some of the problems identified above I am currently developing a STEEM Contribution Score Table as a resource for you to find the most active and engaging people on the STEEM Blockchain and I am looking for feedback to help refine the scores.
The table will be published on our new @steemcommunity witness website…schhhhh because you are getting a sneak preview. You can access and interact with the report here
http://steemcommunity.org/steemit-contribution-score-table/
Important Notes and Questions:
1. We have created an exclusion lists of accounts that are not included. These are a combination of @steemclearners blacklist, @buildawhale blacklist and an exclusion list created by myself. (This exclusion with full details will be published at a later stage)
2. The score calculation is a secret, if I tell you I will have to kill you. However it does include the following data points.
- Number of Posts made
- Number of direct Comments left of post
- Number of Replies to comments
- Number of replies to replies
- Character count on posts
- Character count on comments
- Number of Votes Made
- Number of Self Votes
- Number of Distinct authors voted for
- Total witness votes cast(current value)
- STEEM powered up
These data points aim to capture positive activity on the STEEM Blockchain that encourages true engagement, discussions and long term vision. Each data points is weighted with my secret formula. This list is subject to change.
Do you think there are data points missing that would result in a more fair contribution score?
3. The table shown today is based on yesterday’s data. Do you think it would be more accurate and fair to have this table calculated on the previous week’s data?
How the Contribution Score Table Might be Used
As the STEEM Contribution Score Table identifies the people that engage most with the STEEM blockchain in a positive way, this table can be used in a number of way and not limited too
- Find the most awesome people to follow
- Find the most awesome people to engage with
- Find people worthy of up votes, additional rewards or even gifts
- Find people to delegate to
So there you have it, the outline for this project. As I said, you are getting a sneak preview and this is not the final workings. You will need to keep an eye on @steemcommunity account for launch when I am happy with the calculations, however I do feel it will continue to evolve.
I’m so looking forward to your responses and feedback on this, please do leave a comment below.
Like what I am doing, vote @steemcommunity as your steemit witness. I am one half of this witness partnership with the awesome @abh12345
I thought that was a fantastic table, it ran smoothly on my computer, no glitches no upsets. I would like to see one more column, where you can see where you place in the table. I may have overlooked it but I did not see a ranking column. I also think a weekly recap would be better, as I have just read one post by an individual that he is limited time wise from work and life and only has 3 days where he steems M, W, F. so I think a weekly flow would be better. The easy link button to the persons page was great
I like the http://steemcommunity.org/ web page. Clean and uncluttered and easy to see. I think you and Asher are doing a bang up job as witnesses.
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hay @bashadow and thank you for such wonderful feedback. Yep its missing a ranking column. Its on my list to add for sure. it is a must have. I am also hoping to add a user search
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Here here. I guess that feature would be mandatory to develop and the first item in your TODO list.
Splendid job and initiative so far by the way.
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Thanks you sir
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This looks great! I hope my ideas have contributed to it a little.
~~From just a cursory browsing it looks slightly too heavy on comments vs posts. ~~ Edit: From a little more detailed looking, it's more the weighting of votes that I think is a bit off.
And I would definitely expand the range to be a full 7 day payment period since that is the window that steem operates on.
The next trick will be to turn it into a status badge that people can use/display that will encourage others to improve their steem game.
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"The next trick will be to turn it into a status badge that people can use/display" Cool idea :-)
Yep I think the consensus is 1 day is too short
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Uhm, after the recent beating scrolling throughout the whole list looking for my name. I don't think 1 day is too short. Unless, unless you plan to make also some sort of friendly internal search engine to explore the entire table easier. :)
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This is great. It helps when my name is towards the top of the list. :)
It seems like there's plenty of user input here. I really don't have any, other than to say whatever you feel is the best way to score user Steemit contribution is fine with me. I'm thankful that you will only be looking at what's on blockchain since, as you say, it would be impossible to score everything else.
Some have been asking for a month worth's of data, others for a week. I agree that there probably should be more than a day's worth of data, but I'm not sure how much more of an indication of contribution a month's worth of data is going to be over say a week, unless someone goes crazy at the end of the month or something.
I do have a question, though. In this screenshot of the data, it shows that I had 11 comments and 47 votes yesterday. Is this supposed to be for a 24 hour period? Also, are the number of comments just for a post, since the replies to comments (2) and replies to replies (22) are listed separately?
In other words, this is showing I had a total of 33 comments, replies to comments and replies to replies, right? I happen to keep track of all comments and upvotes I make on a daily basis for the engagement league. I actually had 47 comments all told and 65 upvotes, so that's the reason for asking about the time period.
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This is an awesome initiative. So many active and engaged steemians that go for the most part unnoticed or undervalued. I think what you have is a great starting point to have.
This would be really hard to do, but would be interesting to see a creation vs reward score. For instance if someone is making great posts consistently, but getting very little rewards to somehow bring those accounts to the front as well. Maybe tie this into account age as well, so for those that have been around months/years and barely make $1/post can get some more publicity.
I assume this would be extremely difficult to do / manage, but you asked for suggestions. Best of luck.
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that would be a little complicated but is an interesting metric. Worth looking at for sure. Thank you for the suggestions
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This is awesome @paulag. It has the right potential to help us see what type of accounts we are supporting and will make it easier for the good guys to stand out. I'm excited about this. Rep is a useless indication of a user's behaviour and this will solve that problem for me.
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thank you @jusipassetti, I am glad you will find it of use
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I am glad you brought that up, I could not agree more about reputation score, this will be the New Reputation score people will turn to.
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thank you @bashadow, it would be awesome if people looked at it in that way :-)
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This is great @paulag.
of course, my only argument is the self-voting metric as that has never been a great indicator considering people trade votes.
or, those with small votes who have powered down a lot (and may still be getting large support). So, they can't contribute much in value to others because they have extracted it all but can say 'I don't self-vote'. I find it somewhat disingenuous.
Of course, this is just one metric on the list but something I think should be thought about as I think that those who do get support from the community have a responsibility to give support back. Many can only offer moral support going on how few have powered up earnings.
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I have not taken in power downs....and probably should. Maybe power down as % of earnings. I would agree, those that do get support should also shown support. Maybe I could factor in something on how many unique votes an authors gets as a % against how many unique authors they vote for. Hmmmm. Have to think about this!
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Without knowing how one could add variables to make this more inclusive, I do find it odd I am not to be found on the list. While it is true that I do not post often (maybe once or twice a week) I do the following:
Rent delegation so I can interact on others posts much more. (I realize that you may frown on this however due to it not being allowed for your league of engagement).
I recently renewed my delegation for another 2 weeks, and according to SteemWorld this is a breakdown of my last 7 days.
3.49 % self, 177 upvotes, 62 accounts, last 7d
As the people I interact with could attest, our exchanges are usually several posts back and forth, and at times my comments/replies could be a post itself.
I find that one of the most common complaints from those who leave is the lack of engagement on their posts. I would think my renting delegation at a loss out of pocket so that I can not only upvote more, but search out what I believe to be quality content to engage is a much needed valuable contribution to the site.
Also not sure how this could be measured, but I have donated to a worthy project here on the platform to the tune of roughly 37 SBD in the last 6 or 7 weeks. If you look at my wallet, you would see that is maybe a 5th of my total value. When added to the delegation I rent to give votes to those I find writing quality content and for our conversations on their posts, my wallet could easily be worth another 50% of what it is currently at if I was just powering it all up and self voting.
I could continue listing actions that I do in order to improve others experience here on the platform, but I do not want to make this some kind of virtue signaling post. More wanting to express there are other ways to bring contribution to the platform than by the variables you are using that somehow doesn't even have one like myself on its radar.
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Your name is on the table. I need to add a ranking column and also a user search.
Rented delegation is not a data point in this table and score. Neither is giving free delegation, which I do and could also decide not to and use it to self vote. What people chose to do with their finances is not part of this score. My wallet would be a lot heavier too if I took a different approach.
I also give away SBD as prizes, which supports different communities and have given sponsorship on contests ran by others. I do this with the believe I am helping the growth of steemit and the long term vision. However it is impossible (well for me anyway) to find a way to filter this information so it can be scored. I can only work with data that is available or easily accessible.
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If we are thinking long term you might want even a longer period than a week. Maybe even a month if that not too much strain on the system. Contributions take a lot of effort and time. You could be very active for a week and then not so much the next. If someone is basing this data off who to delegate to I would imagne they want to have a longer term prospective of that person.
I think for now day scale can help find outliers for further review to see if it’s creating something that could be exploited for an easy and higher score. If I just spammed an auto reply back bot with “lol” how far would that get me? I don’t dare as other bots will notice and start calling me out for acting like a bot.
Otherwise, interesting system. Makes me wish I was having more discord conversions on steemit!
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I am trying to move as much conversation from discord to steemit at the moment.
so far running this on a daily basis I I have been able to identify problem accounts rather quick, but as you mention, as a tool for others a month may be a lot better. Thank you for you comment and feedback
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I don't know how much trouble all of this is, but if once established, if not to difficult, you could run a weekly one, a monthly, and then a 6 month trending one. Start like you have decide the workload involved and bandwidth for data collection, and if it looks feasible, a later expansion to the monthly added, and semi-annual added.
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this is an interesting idea
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Great idea, but I think the timeframe must be must longer (I would put the ideal value at 1 full month). One day is really a too short window to correctly asses the activity on a given account.
The problem is with the different apps that are now on Steem and also different behaviours that are not easily identifiable via an algorithm :
PS : How can I check one particular account on your tool ? I'm not familiar with MS BI...
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at the moment you can not check on particular account with this tool, but I have it on the list :-)
"People are sometimes really active on various Discords and not that much here on Steemit, how to weigh that "external" activity ?"
I think discord is a problem for steemit. You see there are still no community features on steemit, but when hivemind launches then I hope all discussion will move from discord to steemit.
"Some witnesses aren't posting a lot, but are still big contributors to Steem"
This is not in line with the whitepaper statement above. Yes there are contributing and adding value, but this contribution score is for active ON the blockchain, not around it.
"Some people aren't posting that much, but still offer great content when they do (example of DeepDive articles who require a lot of work hence a minimal activity)"
the data points are weighted a different values. Posting is only one aspect of making steemit great.
"How to asses DLive because the chat during the video (and the numbers of viewers) are not put on the blockchain, so all DLivers will have approximatively the same profile (except for the rewards)"
Again, we are rewarding activity on the block, not off the block. those with steemit accounts can post comments to dive streems or videos that are on the block. I'm not to interested in those that have not yet signed up to steemit.
"How to assess developers ? (Who contribute via Utopian or not). A lot don't publish or comment much, but their contributions to Steem can be great."
again we are looking at activity on the block not around the block.
"How to evaluate strange behaviours (circle voters who still put out genuine posts on one account) ?"
I can not share this with you at the moment, but I have a way!
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Thanks for your response.
If it's only based on the activity "on the block" it's great. I would love to have a tool to see the engagement score (as it seems similar to @abh12345 engagement league formula) of anyone I want to check.
The only problem I see is that if the tool is used by a lot of people to upvote or follow (and as a consequence being on the Leaderboard of that list has a certain return value), some will find a way to make it to the top by reverse engineering the formula and abusing it, but that's the price of glory.
Looking forward to be able to check the score of anyone with a Steemit account, I won't be able to help point out discrepancies in the formula before having access to that.
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lol wont be sharing the formula :-)
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Suprise me mom, first post after holiday, nice to see you again
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and you @mrday. its all go. Like I was never away on holidays :-)
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Hey @paulag! I'm a representative of @utopian-io!
This project sounds awesome. Did you think of making it open source and posting it under the Utopian tag? We incentivize development of open source projects with our big upvotes!
Let me know if you have any questions, we'll gladly have you on our platform.
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hi @jestemkioskiem I often post to #utopian with my data posts. however to ensure that no one cheats the system, I have to keep the calculation top secret, so i will not be making it open source.
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That's completely understandable, thanks for the response! Good luck with the project!
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Thanks Ma'am, for not telling me the secret.
😊
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And I never will lol :-)
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I can live with that, literally longer. 😀
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it seem very secret thing @aneukpineung78, so please do not ask it as long as you are on earth...LOL..:D
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😀 no one have to kill me ..
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nope, not at all capt
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Wonderful thoughts @paulag, I cannot agree more. I would rather see a score like this reflected as a reputation score than the current system. To have a concrete number that reflects what the platform is trying to accomplish versus an old arbitrary number that frankly is driven by bot use is not necessarily the answer in itself. Integrating metrics like what you and abh12345 use in your curation leagues are much better qualifications of 'user value to the platform.' To look at it honestly also, the higher sophistication of interaction also plays well in outside companies, investments, media, etc when looking at a better metric of someone's usage on here (aka value per user). There is zero to no value to a person that does their flow chart voting pattern, interacts with no one, and creates nothing for content or ideas on the platform. This is still very wide open, but I do very much like the independent thought in things like games, challenges, contests, shared interest pools, whatever.
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Great work!
Is there a table that shows me how many Steem Power i need für a 0,01$ and 0,10$ upvote with 100% voting power? So far i di not See any table like this. Could you help me out?
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take a look at https://steemworld.org/@felix.herrmann by @steemchiller. It is interactive and you can simulate SP and voting strength to see what votes are worth
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thx, did not know about this feature!
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Try this. https://steemnow.com/upvotecalc.html
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nice to see you here again...
and thank you for the post.
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This is a necessary step.... an evolution would be to allow people to rank based on combinations of different variables.
Personally I'd like the ability to rank people without factoring in the down grade for self-voting. I personally self-vote to guarantee a minimum return (I mean I could just delegate to bots, so in the grand scheme of things a little SV is nothing), but there's a good chance a negative score (Assuming this is basically like Asher's formula) for SV is just penalising people for being poor, given that someone with 10 000SP only has to upvote once to give themselves the same financial return as someone with 1000 SP voting for themselves 10*.
Could you maybe factor in a bonus for 'downward reputation' commenting and voting rather than vice versa - it's much more likely that a long comment on a high SP account is chasing valuable votes, which isn't exactly spreading the love.
Anyway I'll stop there... I am well aware you know of all the difficulties, and this is definitely a good move forwards!
I look forward to getting my ONO invite, although they're experiencing high demand it says.. EOS based too... ohh...SHHHHHHHHUSSHHH!
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load of ideas here. Although many of the data points are the same as the leagues, the calculation is a lot different. With the leagues, spammers tend not to enter so we do not need to factor stuff like that. With this, all accounts are assessed, but not all will be included :-)
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Got to start somewhere 😊
Hopefully some ideas are put forward, and I can steal them for the Engagement league too!
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thank you asher
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Keep generating awesome ideas... goodness knows we need more of them. (-:
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god loves a trier
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@paulag what a great thing to do. That exactly what I do expect from a witness. Taking care of the blockchain, not only technical but also making people understand that for the moment the Steem Blockchain is nothing without interaction and engagement. And that's why @steemcommunity is ma favorite witness! Without a doubt.
Also great to see that I am on page 1. Did came a little bit as a surprise. To bad no price is involved :).
Honestly I am crazy to put so much engagement into it. Because if I would have to calculate the hours on spend on the blockchain and compare it with the earnings I have, they should have locked my up ;)
But I do like the interaction part and that's why I also do sponsor the lucky number 25 of @abh12345 league. (For the ones who aren't participating yet, just do it, it was one of the best decision I did take here on the blockchain).
I do find interaction important because it will keep people around. I am also a member of 2 communities (@steemitbloggers and of course my little baby @sbcbot (don't be fooled by the bot part in the name, it isn't as bad as you think)). In the first one, I am just a member, but the way it works you discover new people every day! For the other I am heavenly involved. Together with 4 other we run the community and that where I do see how difficult it is for people to interact.
Everybody want to interact with the founders of a community, while the founders of a community did set up the community to bring people together which share a same passion! Making it easier to find solemates, which for sure will decrease the burn rate. With the betting community we are actively seeking for new steemians. This is very important for sure in this particulare niche. Other communities will not support them and it could be very lonely in the first weeks and months! To prevent this, we try to welcome them in the community!
Mmh, maybe in stead of continuing I should change this comment into a own post! But while I am going on, to other topics.
Activity compared with the value of steem
I am planning to do some research but I do feel that when the value of Steem drop, the activity and the engagement here drops. Which is plain stupid. Becasue if you are here for the long term, the steem value doesn't matter. Lower value of upvotes means lower steem pirce, higher value of upvotes means a higher steem price. But in both situation with the same number of upvotes and the same upvote power, one will earn the same steem (because it is all based on vests). Maybe an idea for a next post from your or the witness account. Because it is education people. I can write it as many time as I would, but this would have much more impact when written by you, the witness account and maybe even Asher (:))
Red fishes neglecting red fishes
While I do hate the name, I am one. The problem is that most of us are only trying to catch minnow, dolphins or whale votes. With posts and comments. They are upvoting the posts, which alreayd have a value of $xxx.xx hoping to get noticed. But they don't take the effort and write a genuine comment to another red fish, because they don't see any value in it! While that one genuine comment could save another account from getting on the burn chart!
Sorry for my ranting, but I was on a roll!
Thanks for giving this insight!
So Red fishes, Minnow, Dolphins and for sure whales, do spread your votes and comments around.
Cheers,
Peter
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awesome comment, and well deserved spot on the table. Please don't be sorry about the rant, its what makes steemit so cool. freedom of speech, opinions and ideas.
As a fellow community leader, I know how busy you must be. One of the things I have tried to do is move some of the discussion off discord onto steemit, and I am finding for the most part, it is working :-)
Redfish or newbies as I like to call them will change their attitude as their accounts grow, its about education and helping them along the way. There is so much value is growing 'with your peers'.
Its really amazing that you sponsor lucky 25 on Ashers league. I have never thanked you for this :-)
"But in both situation with the same number of upvotes and the same upvote power, one will earn the same steem (because it is all based on vests)"
You are right. I did try this before, but people got too confused....vests.....what.....is this another token lol. It was like a foreign language to people.
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I have to thank you, you give me the platform to let me rant :)
I do have a love / hate relation with discord. It is easier to get a better view on people and to really get connected. But it is just wasting time for the blockchain.
It took also some time for me to understand the vest thingy. Just like I am now trying to figure out how the reward pool is used. I do think that I do understand it, but one question remains, maybe you know the answer.
What happens to the steem, which is in the reward pool but isn't used?
I think that I do understand that the reward pool is spread among the members based on the vests you have available (so own vests and delegated vests). So, if you have 1% of all vest, you have the power over 1% of the reward pool. So if we all would use all power than the reward pool would be empty. If could even become negative when people start upvoting more than 20% of their voting power. So will the unused vests in the reward pool stays in the reward pool to be used in other days? Or will it be burned after a few days?
I am honored to sponsor Ashers league, I am doing this now for 8 weeks already. If you take a look at my wallet, you will understand that it is not an easy task for me. But I do think that it is important that people who do try to engage and interact but don't have as much time as the leaders also have chance on a price. Lets call it an encouragement price!
But you have been sponsoring it since I did join and probably even longer! So thank you! It is easier to jump on a successful project like I did, then to support it when it was still in the early stages!
Cheers,
Peter
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when it comes to steemit, every day is a school day and there are many things I still have to learn.
un-used vests stay in the rewards pool to be used in other days. however the amount of new steem added each day is fixed, but what is drained depends on votes
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Okay thanks for your reply. I do guess my picture is complete now, so that I can try to educate some people!
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Hmmm, I'm impressed. But I'll reserve judgment until I see how a Jerry Banfield rates after one of his long-winded posts.
As I'm sure he'll tick a lot of your boxes, although might not be the person you were expecting to be a top of your chart.
PS: Was this inspired by the 'Oracle' concept to be introduced with SMT's?
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"Was this inspired by the 'Oracle' concept to be introduced with SMT's?"
Yes and No. I have read the whitepapers for SMTs and looking forward to the white paper for 'oracles' but I have also been looking at the competition. Steemit was first to the market and the competition is learning from our mistakes which gives them an edge. we too can learn from our mistakes and implement changes for the better.
As for Jerry, I can assure you he does not tick all the boxes even with his long winded posts to crack this one :-)
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It'll be your true test. He's due to post something AMAZING! in the next few days so I'll wait and see.
Thumbs Up for taking the initiative, and your work should be useful in the Oracle context when we learn more on how this will be implemented.
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Is there any way to add in flags/downvotes into the statistic? Would be the first and only thing that comes to my mind.
Also, I am still new and not sure about what all this "witness" talk is about. A quick heads up or a post where I can read up on that would be appreciated.
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yes, we can add flags, however deciding what an appropriate flag is tends to be rather difficult.
You can read about witnesses here:
https://steemit.com/faq.html#What_are_Steem_witnesses
and you can also read our witness posts here:
https://steemit.com/@steemcommunity
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Great, thanks. I will look into it.
I am sure you will find a good thing to build it in. I would love to see some further incentive for people to be sociable on this platform. I feel like that is somewhat lacking these days.
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are you part of the league of excellence ran by @abh12345, if not it might be what you are looking for :-)
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Never heard anything about that league or the user you are referring to, but I will look him up. Thanks for the suggestion!
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this a damn good post, blessings, pleas upvote me.
SORRY, I just COULD NOT resist that!
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hehehe those sort of comments wont score you well
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So is a score in column 3 worth more than a score in column 2?
I really should give comedy open mic a go.
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you should - I would listen in...ping me when you get your spot!
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I would do, but people might accuse me of being a fifth columnist.
Then again, I might be so obtuse, no one would actually notice!
I mean, I'm not even sure if this reply actually makes any sense.
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Hmmm, I don't find myself on that table. Maybe I'm blacklisted?
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Haha @gmuxx, I couldn't find myself either. But I bet that neither you or me are blacklisted. .....yet! };)
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Holy Moly! for not say ¡HOLY CRAP! @paulag. After almost half an hour scrolling down and down and down and down along the whole MS Power BI list TWICE, it has been a Big Surprise not find my name/handle over there.
Shesshh mate! It's indeed very discouraging to say the least. To know that I enjoy such a level of invisibility in steemit and around the steem blockchain . Especially in the contribution score for activities and engagement on the Steem Blockchain.
¿Is there any internal search engine that I can use to check this list more effectively all over again?
Because otherwise, I'll have no choice but believe in conspiracy theories and think that someone out there has put my account under some sort of murky filter, twilight zone or something. ¡Crap! this even could explain a thing or two about why I'm obtaining so deplorable LOW engagement & feedback after two bloody years sharing my antics in the platform. };)
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It is difficult to search for a username in the table. Is downloading possible? I found my name with a score 14000 ish after hours of scrolling.
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Interesting idea @paulag. i'm better at commenting on this type of thing when I see it in action more.
i do agree with the length of time comments and also with @tarazkp about taking powering down into account.
I "know" a couple of people with reps in the 70s who moan about not getting rewarded enough for their posts and, at the same give tiny votes because they power down every opportunity the get.
If I anything comes to me over the next couple of days I'll come back and post it here. 😊
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awesome idea! i REALLY appreciate your care and tending of this platform and all of your digging to find the quote like you shared at the top.. to make this the best it can be! you're awesome!
love this idea and look forward to following it as it develops further :)
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#121 of 60,000, I'll take that :)
If I voted for a few more witnesses and actually posted yesterday I could've hit the top 100.
Edit: I'm deliberately only voting for 21 witnesses. Voting for more would just dilute the effect of those 21 votes. Could that measure be changed to 'voting for at least n active witnesses'?
If we started using these rankings seriously I can see a lot of donkey voting for easy points.
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Keep moving forward to make happy in steemit
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i think a photographer will always score less then a writer in this setup , not everyone writes complete almanacs next to their pictures but still create great content.
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Your post gave me the most sincere hope I have had about Steemit in a long time, @paulag. I say that, having just written a rather skeptical post about the "character" of Steemit... but oh well.
Steemit (and assorted other models-- empire.kred, klout and others come to mind) at its core works with the "gamification" of social media.
Gamification is a fine idea, and it works somewhat well as you try to improve your own "score" all the time. On Steemit, we have various metrics (SP, reputation, etc.) but ultimately the UI works mostly as a framework around "playing for ourselves."
That works — TO A DEGREE — just like keeping track of your times as a jogger might work to keep you interested. But ultimately, keeping the "game" on a self level enjoys relatively low "stickiness." Stickiness is massively important — we look at retention rates here, but we also need to look at the WHAT of retention. The "what" is stickiness... a sort of "emotional addiction" to what we're doing.
How do we develop stickiness? By making everyone part of a collective "scoreboard" that tells us "How well am I playing Steemit?" Based on the statement you quote from the white paper, AND the basic fact this is billing itself as a social content site... we need a metric that identifies not how much money we can throw at bidbots, or how much we can invest, or how much seniority we may have... but "how GOOD" are we, at this.
To that end, I would have to point directly at Asher's engagement leagues as the primary reason I have stuck with this for a good while... and keep sticking to it.
Whether we like it or not, "Hey! I'm on the leaderboard!" is a powerful "narcotic" for most people. Especially if it's a leaderboard that's based on a level playing field. What you're proposing here feels a lot like a "second generation" of Asher's leagues... and that's a very exciting prospect!
I realize competition is coming... haven't really looked much at ONO, except I was immediately in the "not interested" pile because I could find no evidence that there was a desktop version there. I don't write 500-word quality posts on a smartphone, sorry... I point that out because it points to places Steemit can exploit the weaknesses of competitors.
Anyway, excited about what you're developing here!
=^..^=
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