MEOS ... June 1st ... The STEEM/Steemit Killer

in steemit •  5 years ago  (edited)

June 1st.

Something BIG is coming down the pipe from EOS. 

A BIG announcement. 

Speculation is rampant with various theories being proffered but the majority prophesize the launch of MEOS ... Steemit 2.0. In interviews and public communiques, @dan has repeatedly hinted at such an occurrence, perhaps most obviously in his recent, not-so-cryptic emoji-riddle:


Millennial techheads possess a unique sense of humor often lost on those of us from earlier generations. (@dan, next time DM me ... I'll write you a poetic riddle worthy of The Da Vinci Code.) Anyway, if you're curious to learn more, Google: "EOS June 1."

So, presuming @dan's not just screwing with our heads, what will this mean for STEEM/Steemit? Well, that depends on one critical factor: Will a MEOS prohibit cheating?

It's that simple.

STEEM/Steemit ... a Cheater's Paradise

Those who follow this blog even sporadically can attest to my never-ending harangue about the deleterious effects of the systemic cheating on STEEM/Steemit. I've argued that bidbots and multiple-account-self-upvoting are MASSIVELY misallocating scarce upvoting power (SP) away from it's intended purpose, curation ... and, as a result, destroying the very process upon which the entire endeavor is predicated.

I've further argued that such institutionalized corruption (the bidbots are owned by Whales and Witnesses) have created negative feedback loops and prevented the establishment of positive ones. I even published a series of articles specifically outlining HOW to reform the blockchain ... to counter the moronic claim that "banning bidbots was technically impossible."

Posts, comments and replies. I'd bet there's no rival to my wordcount on the subject.  

But it wasn't just me. There were countless others. 

To no avail. 

The Whales and Witnesses were profiting from their jury-rigging and had no intention of restraining their short-term self-interests in service of constructing a blockchain capable of long-term survival. And why not, they figured ... the core group of Plankton, Minnows and Dolphins, despite their incessant moaning and groaning, weren't leaving. 

Schmucks. 

And, so long as said core group remained, the pretense that "Steemit was a remunerative alternative to Facebook and YouTube" could be, at least superficially, maintained. Technology changes, people don't. Wherever there is a concentration of capital, there will be a concentration of crooks ... and STEEM/Steemit has become a Den of Thieves. 

My arguments, reflective of twenty years in High Finance, including as a hedge fund manager (one, a currency trading fund), were routinely ignored, and on occasion, vilified. One particularly dim bulb, notable for his obnoxiousness (but nevertheless part of a Witness Group), managed to call me a commie, a fascist and a dictator ... in the same sentence... demonstrating that his knowledge of political systems equaled his knowledge of economic ones.

Quilladamus

The world is full of after-the-fact forecasters, people who claim, "Yeah, that's what I was saying all along." The world of cryptocurrencies seems particularly replete with such evidence-free tale-tellers. And so, for the record, I'm going to make a couple of straight-forward predictions based upon a couple of straight-forward predicates:

The Predicates

  1. On June 1, EOS announces the launch of MEOS (Steemit 2.0);
  2. Biometric Identification (limiting accounts to one per person and hence making multiple-account-self-upvoting impossible) is required to open a MEOS account; and
  3. MEOS officially bans bidbots, making their usage (or any other forms of vote-buying/selling) a violation of its Terms of Service and implements a mechanism for enforcement.


The Predictions

If the aforementioned predicates are met, my predictions are:

  1. STEEM/Steemit will die and its death will be swift and complete.
  2. As the value of STEEM approaches zero, STEEM Whales/Witnesses will, en masse, begin receiving epiphanies. Like Paul on the Road to Damascus, each in their turn will be suddenly stuck, as if by a bolt of Heavenly lightning, with the desire to enact reforms and the understanding of how precisely to implement them. 
  3. STEEM/Steemit will go down in history as an exemplar of strategic ineptness, the "Own Goal"par excellence." "How could they possibly have squandered a three year monopoly on what turned out to be cryptos' ultimate Killer App ... a Facebook/YouTube alternative where people get paid to create, comment and curate? God, these guys couldn't get laid in a whorehouse."     


Discussion

Corrupted systems (political, cultural, economic) ALWAYS implode. 

The reason is simple: All complex systems create force-multiplying positive or negative feedback loops (sometimes both). STEEM/Steemit is a complex system that is corrupt to its core. The pretense of "quality mattering" is long dead. Notwithstanding a few notable exceptions, Orcas and Whales (85% of SP) aren't even pretending to care about quality or curation. Instead, they're leasing their SP to bidbots or DApp projects in which they have an interest so as to generate Passive Income in the form of interest ... instead of earning Curation Awards from their SP holdings as intended. 

Fair enough, it's their money. 

But as most people over 18 understand, nothing is life is free ... and actions have consequences. By seeking to maximize their own short-term profits, they knowingly destroyed the Central Premise upon which the entire blockchain was constructed (and yes, Steemit was/is the essence of STEEM), that: Content Shall Be Compensated Commensurate With Its Quality. 

And people like me ... the A-Team Content Creators ... are not happy about it.

And hence, my repeated admonitions that the moment a "viable alternative" to Steemit appeared, there would be a mass, and IMMEDIATE, exodus of the quality content producers and that STEEM's figment of legitimacy would evaporate.

"But STEEM Monsters will save us."  

Perhaps I could interest you in an investment.


MEOS as the "Viable Alternative"

Of course, all this begs the question: Will MEOS (assuming my predicates) be a "viable alternative" to Steemit? Let's run through what we know and what we could plausibly assume:

  1. @dan constructed STEEM/Steemit prior to constructing EOS/MEOS. Unless he has an IQ of 2, he will have thought long and hard about the problems that plague Steemit, his original social media creation. He has spoken frequently about Biometric Identification as a means of preventing people from opening multiple accounts so as to prevent spam and abusive self-upvoting.
  2. EVERY SINGLE PERSON outside of STEEM/Steemit (and a whole bunch inside it) describe the use of bidbots as "blatant cheating" ... not "marketing" as some of our august leaders (who, incidentally, own the bidbots) try to rhetorically re-frame the matter. It's hard to imagine that @dan would ignore this chorus of moral outrage. Moreover, EOS is surrounded by institutional investors and advisors ... the people who run Wall Street and Fortune 500 companies. It is inconceivable that any of them would countenance something as obviously disreputable and self-destructive as bidbots ... if not on moral grounds, then in objection to such self-evidently suicidal amateurishness.
  3. Block.One (@dan's development company) conducted a USD $4 billion ICO. EOS is up and well-functioning. It is ranked 5th or 6th (depending on the day) with a current market cap of USD $7 billion ... and is hiring like mad. And, it has USD $2.2 billion in cash and 140,000 Bitcoins. Hence, it is an army ... armed to the teeth. Contrast that with STEEM/Steemit's 58th place ranking, a market cap of USD $129 million and a development company (Steemit Inc.) that recently laid off 70% of its employees to remain solvent .
  4. A large percentage of Steemians (almost certainly a super-majority) are demoralized to the point of suffering from SID ... Steemit Induced Depression. I do not assert this in jest. One can only try and fail so many times before developing an aversion to the source of one's misery. Given the magnitude of the malfeasance and given that it is orchestrated by the very people charged with safeguarding the blockchain's integrity, such demoralization is predictably accompanied by a great deal of anger, and in many cases (mine included), disgust. Disgust is the most negative of the "Other-Judging Emotions" and once triggered, it creates a moral imperative to punish the wrong-doers (or less charitably, to "seek revenge"). Given the reasons discussed above, MEOS is logically a "viable alternative." Combine that with the emotional desire to ensure that the Whales and Witnesses "get what they deserve" ... potent mojo.
  5. There are hopeful indications that @dan is at least partially in control of the ideological delusion that infects the minds of so many cryptocurrency enthusiasts ... Anarchism. @dan's recent tweet, "Would you prefer a centralized heaven or a decentralized hell?" ... and the responses to it, speaks volumes. Many of the respondents weighed in for the latter. "Bring on the chaos, so sayeth the Messiah, Satoshi." Incumbent upon ideologues of all stripes is the necessity to suspend reality so as to prevent subjecting their Utopian visions to common sense scrutiny. Constructive criticism is blasphemy and the implementation of pragmatic solutions that deviate from the doctrine, heresy.

It's a beautiful song, so long as you don't think about the plausibility of the lyrics ... or try to figure out why that yak, Yoko, was included in the video.

Anarcho-Poetry ... FREEDOM!!! Unfettered by the chains that shackle the rest of us poets ... like words.

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@dan ... Think Like Napoleon

I've long since concluded that STEEM/Steemit has no future. Due to ideology, greed, (or both), the powers-to-be cannot bring themselves to create a blockchain that elevates Merit over Manipulation. There are, of course, those who say that people like me are just not smart enough to grasp the Big Picture, a paradigm shift in which cheating is to be celebrated as it is an act of "Personal Freedom," irrespective of the chaos it creates. 

Obviously, this is a chasm too wide to bridge. 

Given such reality, I proffer it is time for a divorce ... let the two camps separate and go their own ways. 

@dan, here's a suggestion I believe is well worth considering: 

  • Using a portion of EOS' marketing budget, offer to Swap Steemians' SP, up to a maximum of 5,000 SP per MEOS account, for a period of 30 days following MEOS' launch, and based upon the EOS/STEEM exchange rate on June 1.


What would this accomplish?

  1. Instant MEOS User Base. The en masse acquisition of Steemit's entire active-user base: Planktons, Minnows and Dolphins. In any system, the hardest users to acquire are the first ones and Steemians are the most committed (obsessed) crypto social media users on the planet. They would be the nodes of networks upon which the entire MEOS endeavor would be constructed. The only ones who would not substantially benefit from this arrangement would be STEEM Whales and Orcas (who own a lot more than 5,000 SP). But I'm sure this wouldn't be a problem. You see, if my writing poetry ought not be "about the money," (as I've been told a thousand times), then neither ought their writing Python. Creating content or creating code ... we'll all just "do it for the community." Sarcasm aside, the Whales and Orcas would find themselves in a mess of their own making ... and paying the predictable price for their greed.
  2. Free Media Coverage. I own an advertising agency. The most potent thing any marketing initiative can hope to achieve is to spark widespread (and free) media coverage. Such an "EOS-for-SP Swap" would generate MASSIVE media coverage inside the cryptoworld and very substantial media coverage outside of it. This is to say nothing of the tens of thousands of grateful posts from MEOS users that would be all-but-guaranteed ... and shared on a host of other social media platforms. Such an initiative has ALL the hallmarks of a GREAT STORY ... and "word-of-mouth," the most effective form of advertising, is naught but the "telling of stories" (so make them good ones). What would the equivalent in advertising cost? Who knows, but I suspect a LOT more than the approximately USD $15 million (in EOS) cost of the swap (0.21% of the current market cap of EOS). [As the price of STEEM would likely drop to zero, such cost would have to be written-off.]
  3. Ferocious Loyalty. The announcement of an EOS-for-SP Swap, and the subsequent mass exodus out of STEEM/Steemit, would cause the price of STEEM to collapse, wiping out the capital of tens of thousands of Steemians who have spent years accumulating their meager post payouts. Powering Down requires 13 weeks so it's too late to liquidate one's holdings to prevent such a loss. An EOS-for-STEEM Swap would preserve the value of such holdings. This would engender a depth of gratitude that would be difficult to articulate. EOS, like every other corporate endeavor, WILL encounter problems in the future and its ability to weather such storms will be dependent upon the steadfastness of a core group of users. On more than one occasion, Apple was on the ropes and would have gone under but for the passions-beyond-reason of a small group of enthusiasts. Throughout history, stalwart rear-guard formations have saved countless armies from annihilation, allowing front-row troops to fall back, re-group and fight another day. Indeed, Roman Legions were organized around such a principle with the Triarii famously providing the last line of defense. Machiavelli was wrong ... name a Great General and you have named a General who was LOVED by his men. This is a potent strategic concept understood by few civilian business leaders.
  4. Mass Adoption and the Price of EOS. Every cryptocurrency's current price reflects the market's perception about whether it will, eventually, be widely adopted. Acquiring Steemit's entire user-base would dramatically augment such perception and would likely result in an immediate increase in EOS' price.                    


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So there you have it ... Quill's prognostications and predictions. 

We won't have long to wait to see if they come true.

Quill


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This entire rant only applies to Steemit.com and not Steem itself. Your perspective is one of a blogger. Spoiler alert: blogs aren't that valuable. The people who bring real value are the ones who know javascript and Node.JS.

That being said Steemit is talking about massively altering inflation in four different ways:

  • increased curation to 50%
  • non-linear reward pool
  • separate flagging pool
  • funding development

Each of these changes by itself represents the gross power that Steemit Inc wields. All of them at the same time turns us into a central-banking joke.

At the same time, your faith in Dan is highly misplaced. He is a joke in the true decentralized community, and Steemit 2.0 isn't going to pick up as much traction as you think it will.

StInc has been shuffling chairs on the Titanic for years now.

I certainly would not want to underestimate Dan. If I were a betting man, I would say Steem(it) will be on the morphine drip before too long.

I underestimate Dan by just seeing how he flailed up with STEEMIT! LOL he could have figured out a better way to do all this! Some genius, I am doubting him all the way, until he proves me wrong and I use EOS fopr something I need! We'll see, I tried to buy some morte EOS last night but the block trades was down. LOL why is eos always down?? Most likely it will be some beefed up clone of steem, another clone they reworked a bit, call eos now! lol Except for the who.e scam/ram issue! Dan does not really use crack does he, or were those just rumors! All that money he has now he have time to code, I'd just be partying! lol

Maybe he learned something. People who make mistakes early and learn from the experience succeed later. And I wouldn't exactly call Steemit a failure.

You are right, it takes trial and error until you get it right! Hopefully EOS will work with Steem! Steemit is a success for sure, just bumpy times!

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I think giving 50% curation rewards is a terrible idea Just gives more incentive for people with lots of money to just buy in and participate in a bid bot upvoting system.

But we shouldn't have to wait 13 weeks to power down either which is stupid.

Spoiler alert: blogs aren't that valuable. The people who bring real value are the ones who know javascript and Node.JS.

Ha! You're fu*king funny.

this is what i am saying

  ·  5 years ago Reveal Comment

Quillington, you know my stance on bbs and it is so painful to see the trending feed sometimes (well, all the time) but as others have alluded to in the comments section, steemit isn't steem. It's just one of the ways you can "tap in to the blockchain". But there's still a bigger issue outside all of this (Steem, eos etc).

The question is, the cryptocurrency blogging/content creation arena is so small, will getting the users of the steem blockchain and move to EOS make any difference to mass adoption of crypto in general? In a month? A year? 10 years? I doubt it.

“Using a portion of EOS' marketing budget, offer to Swap Steemians' SP, up to a maximum of 5,000 SP per MEOS account, for a period of 30 days following MEOS' launch, and based upon the EOS/STEEM exchange rate on June 1"

And then what? We have a smaller user base as 100% of users will not move over. Half might, or the majority might for a month or two but it involves starting everything from scratch, and then KYC type checks to get a blog profile? You don't have to do that with Facebook or Twitter, just 2fa and away you go.

And with Facebook launching its own coin in a couple of years time, can you honestly say this small fraction of the online world in steem and eos is going to compete with that?

I have barely touched narrative since that launched and whaleshares I hardly check because those sites aren't as developed for mobile as steem is. I've met all friends on steem and after our DM rants, I stuck around and glad I have.

It's the first blog platform I've used and there's some loyalty there, plus first mover advantage. There's more positives to think about despite the elephant in the room.

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And with Facebook launching its own coin in a couple of years time, can you honestly say this small fraction of the online world in steem and eos is going to compete with that?

Next year actually.

You so had me(NOT) at biometric verification. Defeats the whole purpose of cryptocurrencies and privacy which is all the more important when it comes to social media. Good luck to you and Dan...

@msg768,

I recommend you read @lauch3d comments (there are several throughout). I'm not certain most people understand what is involved with Biometric ID. It does not appear to be nearly as nefarious as some are asserting.

EDIT: Actually, he just wrote a whole post on the subject. Highly recommended.

https://steemit.com/steem/@lauch3d/using-the-fingerprint-model-of-meos-for-steem

Quill

This post makes me feel dumb for how much faith I still have in steem.

I hear and see and generally agree with much of what you say.
Reading it actually gave me nervous pangs.

I have no specific argument. I just hope you are wrong.
I have put a lot of love and passion into steem..(and for me a decent amount of coin)
So the thought that everyone would just jump ship truly saddens me.

I do appreciate your well thought out and well written opinions.
It felt like a wake up slap.

Now the Butt must go dig a new hole for head in sand placement.

@buttcoins,

I love Steemit as much as anyone and no one has begged, pleaded and cajoled for reform more than I. But the reality is the reality. The Whales won't change things. So, you have to ask yourself, is this sustainable? Will people continue to work their asses off for $1.00, while $100 payouts are auctioned off to the highest bidder?

Technology is not in the least bit relevant when answering that question. You've been a human being for a long time. How do human beings act in such circumstances?

Quill

I guess I’m weird.
I keep making videos and learning editing. I get joy and fulfillment out of it. The money is a factor.... but I’m much less driven by it.
I find I surround myself by other creators and so my reality is one of sharing skills, jokes, ideas and activated engagement.
It’s easy to lose track of the politics and whale string pulling.
I won’t deny the reality you speak of. It’s just not mine.
If I was not gaining value to my life... I wouldn’t be here.
I guess I’m the one taking a nap on the Titanic in complete oblivion.

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I'm waiting, excited, waiting, excited... 😜😁

BTW, what do you think about the new "idea" of Steemit to implement a downvote reward pool?

Thanks in advance for your opinion.
Have a great day
Tom

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  ·  5 years ago (edited)

Tom, i'm for the down vote pool. from my perspective i will downvote those i have respect for but know can do better. ie some may need to change their current steem stacking business model. A lot of smaller accounts are afraid of it, for me i can't see downvoting them unless i know the person and its for the fun of it.

@michealb,

Micheal, I'm not familiar with the particulars of this proposal. How does it intend to protect against retaliatory downvoting?

Quill

  ·  5 years ago (edited)

https://steemit.com/steem/@kevinwong/what-will-likely-happen-when-steem-s-economic-improvement-proposal-eip-is-put-into-motion

here is a good post to read, EDIT: as far as personal vendetta's think i read on another post about some sort of tribunal set up?? not sure yet

So, then start downvoting some whales,
you will see what happens
Many of them can do better 😅
Have a great day
Tom

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i do Tom. but it really makes no sense until it is free.

And all your posts will go down to 0
😉

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It's a belated step in the right direction. Abuse will be deslt with.

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!dramatoken

I love it.

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@heyimsnuffles,

Ahhh ... Dramatoken, my favorite altcoin. :-) Thanks for the reckoning.

Quill

Biometric Identification <<< Hahahahaha! Who is going to do that in order to post online?

Sooner or later you will have it everywhere...
Your identity they have anyway already, so what?

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It's an unnecessary step to post on social media in today's world. Sooner or later - maybe. Today when the crypto space is so small - ridiculous.

  ·  5 years ago (edited)

Can you explain how secure enclave and unique user identification works? It does not compare your fingerprint with a central server, nor does it care who you are. Your fingerprint is the input for your private key, like your password is...is your bitcoin password public? You swap one string of information against another. It does not matter if who user the names of your family members or if you user your biometrics. As long as another person doesnt own your face, NOBODY can lock in. But anyway its not about the log in. Its about preventing abuse with multiple accounts. You can still have 1000 accounts for trolling or what ever reason but what you cant is bullshiting us, selfvoting with hundret different accounts and raping the reward pool is not possible.

your online identity (which still is "anonymous") is the sum of the interactions (YOUR interactions) with devices and the sum of interactions with other users. This is what makes you human and not a silly bot.

@lauch3d,

Mate, you might want to consider doing a post on Biometric ID. It's obviously a hot button issue (I find this surprising) and it seems as if there's substantial misunderstanding about its intended use.

If you do, please tag me in your post.

Good comments.

Quill

EDIT: And so ... he did. Highly recommended:

https://steemit.com/steem/@lauch3d/using-the-fingerprint-model-of-meos-for-steem

Quill

Me.

I see two tiers developing, verified and unverified. The latter will just get worse and worse. We should be more concerned with how they use the data.

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@bitcoinskeptic,

@lauch3d just wrote a great article on Biometric ID: I highly recommend it:

https://steemit.com/steem/@lauch3d/using-the-fingerprint-model-of-meos-for-steem

Quill

Cool article. I just helped it get a massive upvote from @theycallmedan. I guess he also liked it.

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@abitcoinskeptic,

Good job, mate. We've all got to start talking about how realistically to fix our problems. There are people on STEEM/Steemit with thousands of accounts. This creates havoc ... as @theycallmedan discovered in his recent STEEM Delegation contests (dPoll manipulations). At some point, real world ID's are going to have to be attached to each one so as to eliminate the abuse.

There's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about Biometric ID's ... yet more uninformed assertions about Big Brother tyranny. Articles like the one cited help to clear the air.

BTW, I'll be posting a follow-on article regarding the MEOS ("Voice") launch later today (I wasn't impressed). Stay tuned.

@theycallmedan ... welcome back from your honeymoon. No more playing. Grindstone. :-)

Quill

Very nice article, thanks for the link. I had a feeling this is how it could work. I just didn'trealize this is how it works. We still run into the issue if issuig proofs for people without fingerprints.

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I travel and get checked by immigration many times a year. My fingerprints don't read and they have to get a supervisor. Does this dan guy want to read my eyeball or what? And why does he need this info for me to blog with his new baby?

What are you afraid will happen if you do not know the identity of someone who blogs? Do you know the identity of most of the people on STEEM? Why is this even an issue? It will be a HUGE barrier to entry I think. At least bernie will not be able to get over there into the club, lol.

Anonyminity is a trade off for other things with more value. I can have a real profle on some sites and a secretive profile on others.
I remember everyone saying Monero would be huge because it was private. However it is like 1% of the total crypto market cap.

idk - I think this is a non-issue except for cyrpto-nerds. Never heard of monero myself. I am a weight loss coach content creator and have no thoughts for following dan anywhere. steem has people and dApps I like. Maybe some flood of people will go to this new place and get scanned to do it, but why?

Money.

There is going to be a lot more of it flowing around the verified kyc blockchains and social media networks.
It's centralized and you lose privacy, but hey, money.

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I live off what I earn from my blogs at steem so it is all about the money for me. Since dan would only let me have one blog, I am still saying a big NO to his new project.

Living off Steem is pretty cool. I hope the changes don't hurt your income.

Maybe it will be like google where you have 1 real account but can have multiple profiles and emails to keep your various interests and communitues separate. I prefer this to alts especially if it is secure.

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Anonyminity is a trade off for other things w0ith more value. I can have a real profle on some sites and a secretive profile on others.
I remember everyone saying Monero would be huge because it was private. However it is like 1% of the total crypto market cap.

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Anonyminity is a trade off for other things. I can have a real and a secretive profile.

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I'm off this topic, and doing other things, but thanks.

I travel as a lifestyle, and my fingerprints do not read for Immigration Checkpoints. So I guess it will be the eyeball scan for me.

Here are the top paying steem dApps if you will still be posting here and want to do better:

https://steemit.com/esteem/@bxlphabet/which-dapps-have-the-best-payouts-on-steem

Is this a good time to talk about when I first started getting EOS and how it is was only $0.85? Before I forget, check this out:

...each in their turn will be suddenly stuck, as if by a bolt of Heavenly lightening...

It’s one of those typos that works either way, I’m sure you meant to do that. But just in case you missed it, look, that’s how cool you are. By the way, I’m a proud member of that #original-content badmofo #club. Get it, “club?”

Eh, but really, Mr. Savage, this was a very well written article. Thanks for putting this much dedication into it, that was a well thought out piece—much appreciated sir!

See you on the next one, sir—don’t forget my Christmas card: dandays#6299

@dandays,

Thanks for kudos, greatly appreciated.

It’s one of those typos that works either way, I’m sure you meant to do that.

I didn't ... it was a typo. :-) No matter how many times you edit, you can still miss one. Thanks for the heads up. Already changed.

Is this a good time to talk about when I first started getting EOS and how it is was only $0.85?

Nice. If a cheat-free MEOS emerges, I predict the price will go a lot higher still. Indeed, I would not be surprised to see it decouple from Bitcoin and trade upon its own merits. That would be a huge development and one being awaited by many professional money managers.

Quill

I am not so sure anyone is going to use an EOS styled steemit/steem. We are already entrenched here and most EOS users already were Steemians to begin with. Either way good luck to Dan

@truthforce,

Before Facebook, people were entrenched at MySpace. Before Internet Explorer, they were entrenched at Netscape. I could go on.

People WILL gravitate to (and perhaps stampede to) the blockchain that best serves their interests.

A Facebook/YouTube alternative where you get paid to (legitimately) create, (legitimately) comment and (legitimately) curate.

As I said in my article, my predictions assume my predicates. MEOS would have to be cheat-free. If it is, why would any serious content creator prefer STEEM/Steemit's game-rigged environment where they are the perpetual losers?

And once the A-Team leaves, STEEM/Steemit won't even be able to maintain the pretense that it is anything other than what it has become: A mechanism for fat wallets and Dev's to self-deal.

Quill

Incited an interesting debate on the matter having read all the comments Quill, well done, whether in agreement or not, it is good to discuss.

Bots may not be good, however many of us have learned a lot more about them being present, not my favourite. In hindsight, new technology (as with anything) will always opens itself to the good, the bad and the ugly.

Biometrics authentication: I totally disagree with this method to enter a social media platform. Having been stung by scammers using full photographic identification, with an up to date drivers license, view of your face, dated stamp sent in USI-Tech still scammed, where are those records now, after stealing from everyone on the platform. If there was recourse to the law they would be in jail not driving fancy cars in foreign countries? Does Dan have an international system to identify, patrol "would be scammers" using this method, or is it new fancy dress for tech minded?

@joanstewart,

Hi Joan.

I don't know much about the current state of Biometric Identification other than a lot of companies have spent a ton of time and money attempting to perfect the system. Admittedly, I'm surprised by the negativity towards the idea. To me, it just seems like one of the many technology-related adjustments that are re-engineering society.

In any event, we'll soon get more details respecting the EOS Biometric ID program and if these comments are indicative, there will be lots of discussion and analysis.

Quill

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Well done, great differentiated post! Why people in the comment section react with black/white answers?

BS argument #1: Obviously, if Steemit and Steem (which hasn't changed in its mechanics) is so great Larimer cant be dumb. A joke doesn't get Billions of >>VC<< funding. dPOS itself is a joke regarding its distribution of resources, but this is another story.

BS#2: users don't contribute the value. Developers are a necessity, but users contribute directly (n² or n log(n) to the value of a communication network. Scientific Fact.

BS3# biometric data doesnt means storing of personal information. Apples secure enclave.... ah nevermind

Funny how bag holders a few days before a competition announcement get wet feet. They have no argumts but are salty that other projects develop.

@quillfire anyways EOS is no thread to Steem. Steem(it) will be destroyed, but not by MEOS. Block.one even invests into other socialmedia dAPPs. It will be destroyed be the users itself. EOS even well be cooperative with other chains. But hey lets be salty :D

Best post I read this year! Thanks for teaching some highlights about meos, I had no clue biometrics will be used for accounts!

Pff, I dont support that but we must experiment if we want to participate in future social media sites. We still have a while yet until people stop with facebook and co, and whilst the distraction of facebook coin (was that a dream or mixup it will be called global coin?!) will happen, meos will again be another experiment I think.

But to swap SP for Eos could be good, but my biodata is mine! 😁

Shame we only have real use case options atm for social media sites before we await the gaming era to arrive!

And as and edited on after thought, whats the quickest way to gather biometric data of all the anarchists and cryptoheads across the globe?! 😂😂😂 just imagine a hack on that data then 😊

Yes the biometrics requirement will keep me away from meos.

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I'm sure they will store it very safely and won't give it to third parties
It's a perfect solution to reduce the fake accounts and keep multiple account grappers away..
You can wait for the announcement
1,2,3 boooooom 😁

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Hopefully they will keep it safe though we don't know.

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@j85063,

I'm curious about the nature of your objection. Let's say the Biometric ID is based upon facial recognition. In order to create a unique ID, MEOS would end up with a "picture of your face."

Do you object to this?

Surely, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of such pictures floating around already. The government already has numerous copies (your passport, driver's license, etc.).

So what is it that you stand to lose?

This is not a cheeky inquiry ... I really am trying to understand how others are thinking about this issue.

Quill

No you will not find a face shot of me on the webs. Yes the grubberment has a photo for my car license. Though I don't know enough about all this biometrics stuff yet and hence I am not comfortable with this at this time. I could change as I learn more.

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@j85063 & @zanoni,

@lauch3d just wrote a great article on Biometric ID: I highly recommend it.

https://steemit.com/steem/@lauch3d/using-the-fingerprint-model-of-meos-for-steem

Quill

Thanks I will check it out.

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@movingman,

From what I gather, all newer iPhones and Androids (and many touchscreen computers) have the ability to scan a fingerprint in high fidelity (probably eyeballs as well). Such an image would be converted into a "unique password" which would be attached to ONE particular MEOS account ... and hence, "Biometric ID."

Multiple accounts (some Steemians have thousands) are the bane of all social media platforms (spam and massive user skew for advertisers) but are especially irksome for crypto-related ones. Recently-launched Narrative all-but-requires "ID Certification" (it costs USD $15.00). Sooner or later, all social media blockchains will have to adopt similar measures.

Shame we only have real use case options atm for social media sites before we await the gaming era to arrive!

Crypto-gaming has HUGE potential but it pales compared to social media. If there's one thing you can bet your life on it's that humans beings will ALWAYS be yappers. Gaming will FOLLOW social media developments.

Ultimately, the crypto social media platform that will dominate will be dependent upon which one first develops a "functional derivatives market" (primarily, call and put options). Options will allow users to "hedge" the price of the underlying crypto or "costlessly freeze" its price for a period of time.

Metaphorically, this would be like an army obtaining nuclear weapons. The other guys will be screwed.

The crypto(s) to receive derivatives coverage will depend upon Wall Street Market Makers ... not code-writers. EOS (number 5 or 6 in market cap, depending upon the day) is a FAR MORE LIKELY candidate than is STEEM at 58th (or any other crypto-backed social media platform in existence).

If MEOS is cheat-free (re: my predicates), I predict it will grow exponentially and its competition won't be Steemit (which wouldn't even survive ... STEEM nodes are already loss-producing for most Witnesses so who's going to continue running them amidst a mass exodus of users) but rather Facebook with its soon-to-be-launched GlobalCoin. How will THAT go down? Well, THAT would require a crystal ball. :-)

Quill

STEEM nodes are already loss-producing for most Witnesses so who's going to continue running them amidst a mass exodus of users

Im far from a tech head but I did read about that coding that makes it now possible for nodes to run on a small computer? Forgot what its called already 😂 Aggroed said that steem would have to got to below a really low amount (fractions of penny?!) until it wasnt worth running a node..
Did you know this?

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@movingman

Aggroed said that steem would have to got to below a really low amount (fractions of penny?!) until it wasnt worth running a node..
Did you know this?

I did not.

In any event, it changes little. The Big Problem on STEEM/Steemit is that the Curation Process, which is fundamental to both the functioning of the social media platform and the Distribution of the Money Supply (newly minted currency distributed from the Reward Pool) ... is completely broken.

Elsewhere in these comments, I used the metaphor of the Titanic sailing along with a hole in the hull the size of several dumptrucks. Until that breach is repaired, nothing else matters. And the orchestra playing eloquently ... it's nothing more than a distraction to refocus attention elsewhere.

Quill

Your right it is all quite broken, but luck has it that were so early for blockchains still that it might/should have time to change. Dam I have no clue about tech so I dont know much as its not interesting to me much, but China still conciders Steem to be good, and I trust china when it comes to judging tech. For now though, yes its broken, but since the making of MIRA (I had to go find the post again!) the steem blockchain is now very unstoppable because more people can have nodes running it which is quite an extraordinary thing compared to other chains.

The other matter is that I couldn't tell you of anything that is really 100% decentralized that is existing today hahahahha :)

@movingman,

... but China still conciders Steem to be good, and I trust china when it comes to judging tech.

China judges EOS No. 1 of all the crypto blockchains.

In any event, I have no objection to STEEM's technology ... it is excellent. My objection is to STEEM's cheating ... which is not a function of the blockchain's computer code, but rather to its genetic one.

Quill

Very good point, Im constantly just asking myself "can steem somehow just make it or is the damage unrepairable?" Im not too fussed really as its all pure experimental but interesting as hell!

Eos is awesome! I have had and will rebuy Eos again this year that is certain and a few others too

Yes, I have seen it since a year already here in Norway that people are opening the phones and logging in by facial recognition.

If I was clever I would have been a btc maximalest since day 1 purely because I will never sacrafice my biometrics to obstain an account, especially for a socialmedia site 😂 but the masses would ofcourse 😊

Im just happy it will be easy to send btc on radiowaves without every logging onto the internet, I strongly believe the independant reseach been carried out on the damage to our healths, and so I will not be carrying anything smart on me, nor having anything smart in my home. Its headfrying time within 2 years, but hey, atleast the masses get faster download speeds and no lag! 😂

Ah man the generations that come after us will piss thier pants if they ever knew how nieve we were before getting mostly extinct!

Biometric accounts is it seems the way forward in fairness to stop cheating but its also prooven that people dont like true freedom and will always need some form of centralization.
Great you reminded me about market makers, just yesterday I learnt of them, and also decided that I need to stop shortterm trading as its not for me, things are too corrupt for anything fair there and for example convinient lagging on binance at peak momentums just make me loose, and AI isnt even as used yet as it will be!

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@movingman,

@lauch3d just wrote a great article on Biometric ID: I highly recommend it.

https://steemit.com/steem/@lauch3d/using-the-fingerprint-model-of-meos-for-steem

Quill

good article thanks for the read.

@michealb,

Thanks mate.

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This is brilliant. I actually am thinking of buying a bit of eos this friday and aling of tweeting or facebooking my Steem posts, I will be mEOSing them, but more diligently. Not to abandon Steem or split the risk.....no ono...to help onboard people to Steem.

I think if enough people learn about Steem they will see the simple pleasures in having to buy bids in order to compete here with losers stealing pic on instagram and bidding them to 1000 USD.

PS please help me choose a new user name or make a share to mEOS button.

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@abitcoinskeptic,

Thanks mate.

It gave me no pleasure to write such a post ... indeed, it pained me deeply. No one wanted STEEM/Steemit to succeed more than I. But at some point you have to call a thing by its name ... the Whales won't stop cheating and the eloquence of the orchestra won't stop the hole in the hull from sinking the ship.
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Having a brain and refusing to use it, yields the same results as not having one at all. I refuse to participate in the delusion.
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PS please help me choose a new user name

How about: @satiricalsoul

Consider the source ... there's a compliment in there if you choose to accept it.

Quill

Thanks for the suggestion. I like the skeptic in my name and satirical may be a nice touch. Still have a few days to think. I hope the base can be different than the name like Steem.

Posts like these are important. I don't think the ship will sink fast and it may not even sink. There is room for several Steem-like platforms.

Maybe the people in power will change things for the best. There is also talk of forking Steem (copy the parts you like amd remove the parts you don't including wallets) to remove the worst offenders and put an end to vote buying and other toxic activities if they don't act.

There are good things about Steem that mEOS won't have. Delegations for example are great if used right. I'll be following the brains, but I won't cash out my investment in Steem just yet. Shaking up the tree is good.

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I doubt eos will ban bidbots! Dan will sucker you all in and unleash the bots at just the right time before he dumps on all you and bails from eos next year! Then he will buy the cheep steem and do it all over again! I will build a death bot for eos! lol

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Well... I'm holding off any prediction... but definitely, June 1 will be quite a monumental day for Steem and EOS. Keeping my eyes and brain peeled!

@bengy,

Hey Bengy.

After this damn post ... @dan had better not announce that they're changing the design of their icon. Or provide an explanation of what "EOS" means. If he does, I'm going to look like a schmuck. :-)

Quill

Hehe... it's nice to be behind on the replies.... I get to read this!... well, it was slightly more than an icon update!

@bengy,

You posses a wry sense of humor. :-)

Quill

Rye it is!

@bengy,

I knew this Spec Ad would come in handy some day.
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Quill

That is some dark scenario there!

Fuck bidbots. I've been against that corruption to Steem since day one in 2017. People are clueless to think that is a positive model for a platform to adopt... ffs.

@krnel,

Fuck bidbots.

Two words, three syllables ... touché times a thousand.

Quill

What is with all your bad language, it makes you look like an idiot! For full disclosure i did not build any bidbots yet! I just think you all are being rediculous! I would be more probe to quit steem if there were no bidbots, tech makes things interesting! So you want votes go make some money and earn them! So go to eos, good riddens!

What is with all your
Bad language, it makes you look
Like an idiot!

                 - coininstant


I'm a bot. I detect haiku.

@haikubot,

I don't usually upvote bots ... but I am a poet and that actually's pretty good haiku. :-)

Quill

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Ok fine, i did not mention the part about how I used them, you git me there! lol

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paid per view

Then do something about it, swearing and getting emotional and calling people names does not help! Sounds like you are clueless about being a positive role model! lol

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i am disagree with you.. steem blockchain is incredible.. you can't blame steem blockchain for steemit.. steemit is just a dapp on steem blockchain. and steemit 2.0 is also just a dapp on eos blockchain. Just read about beauty of steem blockchain, it's just need promotion for mass adoption. because it has fast transaction speed with no fees. one more thing that swapping steem to eos is idiotic idea and only fool will swap their steem to eos. eos price is 7$ plus and steem is 0.4$ plus.

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Thank you, @quillfire, for this outstandingly written in-depth post. I would love to see more of that caliber. I agree with you that corruption (vote-abuse, smart reward pool drainage, etc.) is a problem that will wear people out over time and therefore need to be solved. The EOS/STEEM swap offer makes sense for EOS on many levels, and it seems to be such low-hanging fruit. However, for it to work, you would still need liquid steem as you would have to spend or burn STEEM it in the migration process. So the 13 weeks wait is unavoidable for an unfriendly takeover. But then I wonder: Did @dan start EOS only to find out that Steem is the essential application after all? Would that not be the most positive message for Steem ever - that with all their billions and devs and in the light of all the other unsolved problems on planet Earth they don't find anything better to do than run after Steem? And if your argument is correct and EOS can just buy STEEM then @zuck (not sure he actually owns this account 😉 ) would just buy EOS using the exact same mechanism. Yes FB is centralized and, compared to Steem, so is EOS. I think Dan Larimer is a brilliant mind and whatever will be released will further the crypo space in general.

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You've got DRAMA. You are going to be a Whale!

To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.

@dramatoken,

You are my favorite one-eyed Viking!!!

Quill

I flag this post because I don’t think there is any chance if steem dying and dropping to zero! I just disagree with this post and think all meos and eos posts should just get flagged here, they are all traitors. Theres always going to be bits, get used to it. The ai is getting so good, all they are doing now is getting to bots to detect the cars or steps in the picture! Maybe you all better sell all your steem, end is hear you say! lol

@coininstant,

I flag this post ...

Well ... wasn't that petty of you?

This post, and the Series of Articles to which it links, articulates in great detail the deleterious effects of vote buying/selling. At every turn, evidence-of-assertion was provided and rational arguments proffered.

Nevertheless, you disagreed. Well, that's fine, you're entitled.

But downvoting the post? Why?

Because someone dared to challenge your ideology? Why didn't you instead provide a point-by-point refutation of my arguments? You've left a dozen other comments so it's not for lack of time. Why not use your expertise and insight to defeat my amateurish assertions?

Perhaps ... it's because you can't.

... [I] think all meos and eos posts should just get flagged here, they are all traitors.

Traitors, huh? I don't recall swearing a blood oath to STEEM/Steemit. What I do recall is working my ass off for 1.5 years, producing content that earned more Curies than I can recall ... for $300 ... all the while watching posts, created by the barely literate, net such amount in a matter of hours because their authors were willing to cheat ... to buy their votes so that they wouldn't have to earn them.

Quill

Fine I will reverse my vote, have a nice day! Thanks! Yeah once I wrote a post, did not work too hard, and made $300 on steemit! lol after that bid bot came in and that does not happen any more, so I jsut made my money off the bots instead. Adapted. Ah, the good old days of steemit! I'm not really worried, I know that no matter how bad steemit gets, it is not ever going away though. I will be developing with steem for the rest of my life.

@coininstant,

Thank you. That was ... big of you.

Quill

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No they are not betraying steem, just being negative Nelly's all the time. It really does not bother me, nothing does, the op must be a good writer because he got me all negs! OMG i got a good laugh reading those last two comments, thanks!

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@coininstant & @baah,

I can't help but agree with @baah ... @coininstant, you actually seem quite bothered ... as if you're afraid that open and intelligent discussion would expose your fact-free Utopian ideology as being bankrupt. Instead of attempting to provide cogent arguments, you seem alternatively inclined to engage in ad hominem attacks while making baseless assertions of moral turpitude.

BTW ... respecting this little fist-a-cuffs you're having with @baah ... you're losing.

Quill

Here my dear friend. Find a proper spare corner in your home and keep it always in good condition to treasure all your future MEOS & RUONS from June the 1th onwards.

Constructive criticism is blasphemy and the implementation of pragmatic solutions that deviate from the doctrine, heresy.

Yeah mate, we are both just an odd pair of loud 20/20 visionaries and blasphemy/heresy cultors. :p

As for your suggestions for @dan and the rest of your eloquent dissertation... Enjoy!! };)

@por500bolos,

Por, that's a beautiful treasure trunk! I hope I'll need one that big. :-)

Quill

I don't know if it will be MEOS but Steem is toast. All the people with the biggest stakes were the most resistent to change, i hope they get stuck with a bunch of worthless coins. Anyone buying Steem is supporting a bunch of scammy scumbags who don't care about this so called community. Buy steem so STINC can have more money to burn while never improving anything, why would I do that?

I'll do KYC if it means no bots and everyone having one account, seems like the only solution. Earning crypto for your content is not a dead idea, at all, and Steem did prove it is viable. You just need to put controls in place for abuse. Since witnesses aren't interested in changing the system I say its time to move to a better system

@madalchemist,

Shit ... you just said in a paragraph what I ... never mind. :-)

You're dead on.

Quill

Stay positive, Steem is a beautiful land and the best is near. :)

I will keep power up and continue to growth my home here.

To each their own 🙏
I personally will not be bringing my Me to meos 😘 Much love though BeautyFull!

@thereikiforest,

The choice is not yours.

I will come and get you. I will kidnap you and lock you in my basement with nothing more than a laptop and a bottle of thrice distilled spring water.

I NEED your advanced knowledge of emojis. :-)

Quill

Well, this was a perfectly terrifying read ... but, thanks for the heads up. It is better to know there are contrary ideas to the prevailing stream, and what the reasons are, than not to know...

I think Steemit.com should be taken away its privilege to mine Steem thru Proof of Brain. They have shown that this is causing more problems for the Steem ecosystem than it provides are real use case to create and curate quality content. That said Steemit.com should become its own SMT project with its own Token and therfore the Steem ecosystem would be more fair transparent for everybody. Steempower should only be used for voting on witnesses, voting for worker proposals and maybe voting on dapps main accounts to allocate some Steem from the reward pool.
The whole POB mechanism should be moved to the SMT communities where Admins can controll the usage of bidbots and Token rewards.
If that happens than I would see very huge potential in the Steem coin and its whole ecosystem, because we already have great working Dapps here like Steemhunt, Actifit.io, Steemmonsters etc...
In regards to MEOS the Steemit killer App I don't believe in permissioned based Blockchain Apps that doesn't bring any benefits to the users compared ro established centralized services. In the whole context with EOS I'm still looking for one Dapp that in this ecosystem that is fun to use. Do you use any of EOS crap dapps like gambling sites, trybe or whatelse they have???
No successful dapp on their site so why should MEOS be a success?

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@masterthematrix,

Do you use any of EOS crap dapps like gambling sites, trybe or whatelse they have??? No successful dapp on their site so why should MEOS be a success?

Most Apps on any operating system, centralized or decentralized, fail commercially. As do most books, songs and athletic endeavors. EOS has been functional for a year. Rome wasn't built in a day.

As I explained in my article, one needs to weigh all the variables. EOS is in a LOT better position to face the future than is STEEM. Such discrepancy is, to a very large extent, STEEM's own fault. All its wounds are self-inflicted. Most ditressingly, though, is the fact that STEEM Whales STILL do not appear to have learned a lesson. Proposal after proposal ... bet NEVER one which would preclude them from cheating. The ability to self-deal must always be preserved.

This is not a formula for success.

Venezuela sits atop the largest proven oil supply on the planet and yet look at what corruption has done to that country: Millions of refugees and million percent inflation. Systemic cheating DESTROYS cooperative systems. Name a single example of when it hasn't.

Quill

Yes, I understand that Steem is by far way behind the EOS project but somehow it managed to produce some fun and useful dapps.
I'm eagerly waiting for EOS to come out with something useful but after 1 year there is not really something out there that seems to attract users. I mean Trybe with its permission based blogging platform isn't really benefiting the users at all. So, what makes you think that MEOS will be successful?

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I love dan. He's a wizard. I think MEOS could be interesting.

The problem is however no matter what kind of tech you build you will never get rid of things like greed, corruption etc. No tech has the power to get rid of that. Lessen it's impact? sure maybe but humans will find a way to take advantage unfortunately.

I hope the project does well but not sure about it bringing about the death of Steem.

There is good being done on the Steem blockchain. Things are moving in a better direction I believe.

@humanearl,

You're right, you can never legislate away human vice.

That said, there's a big difference between a system in which vice has not been entirely eliminated, and one in which it is elevated and esteemed.

You are also right about a lot of good things happening on Steemit. Indeed, that's why I've fought so hard to reform it. I want to preserve it. But here's the thing: All system's have "critical thresholds," minimum levels of performance below which the system cannot operate at all.

STEEM/Steemit is not growing, a necessity to offset the inflationary effects of an increasing Money Supply. Indeed, it is shrinking in almost every manner that is measurable. We need to stop the Happy Talk and Power of Positivity stuff and honestly ask ourselves why. It requires magical thinking to believe that all the problems will "just work themselves out."

There are a lot of good people on Steemit. But there are plenty of bad ones too. We need to start be honest about this latter reality. Wherever there is a concentration of capital, there will be a concentration of crooks ... and we need to act accordingly.

Quill

I agree we should ask questions. But I also see more responsiveness from the team about these questions. Kinks are being worked out I believe based off recent communications and willingness to get feedback. I'm just trying to look at it all with an objective view.

Also couldn't the same corruption logic apply to EOS as well since a small percentage of holders hold majority of capital?

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@lucylin,

Touche. This is not the time to be obsessing about the paint job. :-)

I'm thinking about creating an altcoin on SteemEngine called !Logic. Every time someone says something logical in a post or comment, curators (screened in advance for their grasp of reality) would hit them with a !Logic token.

What do you think?

Quill

....I think your logic token would get very little distribution in these parts!
lmao...

...here's something that might interest you...

https://steemit.com/life/@lucylin/why-i-m-here-and-welcome-to-my-back-yard

@humanearl,

Also couldn't the same corruption logic apply to EOS as well since a small percentage of holders hold majority of capital?

There in nothing about a concentration of capital that is in-and-of-itself, corrupting. I do not wish to ban Whales. Indeed, I'd very much like to be one. But, given the potential for shenanigans, common sense Rules of Conduct ... that apply to everyone equally ... have to be adopted and a means for their enforcement implemented.

Here's how you do it:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@quillfire/central-premise-and-proposals-a-series-about-fixing-steemit-part-4

Quill

Very interesting and potentially game changing development on the horizon then. It would be good to clean up Steemit or substitute it with a new and improved MEOS from EOS. They may run side by side but Steemit will lose newcomers to MEOS at this rate.

@julianhorack,

Meritocracies are harder to build but they're worth the effort as they make the system stronger and more resilient to assault. A system that does not strive for Greatness will never achieve it. Cheating STRONGLY disincentivizes people from doing the hard work necessary.

Quill

Oh man, I love reading your posts whenever I finally get around to it. Not sure why I always seem to come across them at 1:00 a.m. when my eyes are bulging out of my head. No one can present an argument and weave a tapestry of point and counterpoint like you my friend.

I cannot even begin to pretend I understand the nuances of the crypto world as I am a minnow of the smallest order but I definitely smell what you’re stepping in.

Pretty sure my iPhone just took ANOTHER picture of my face and I have no problem with it whatsoever.

Keep up the great work!

@jbreheny,

Thanks Mate.

Not sure why I always seem to come across them at 1:00 a.m. when my eyes are bulging out of my head.

As that's generally the condition I'm in when I post them, I suppose that might explain our consilience. :-)

Pretty sure my iPhone just took ANOTHER picture of my face and I have no problem with it whatsoever.

I've never understood this philosophical objection to Biometric ID. It's as if the shape of your face is a Grand Secret to be kept "under wraps" at all costs. But thousands of people already know what you look like. Your picture is on your passport and Driver's License ... and in your High School Yearbook.

I think a lot of people overestimate their mysteriousness-ness:
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Apropos song.

Quill

If I did buy into the theory that the government and the private sector were constantly spying on me to obtain my worldly secrets then I suppose I might head into the mountains and live the life of a hermit. More power to the private sector for capitalizing on technology to monitor my spending habits. Now they can feed me with relevant ads.

Alas, he awoke in this strange Orwellian world.
Prompted not by thought, but images fed into his psyche.
Through unkempt history has man arrived upon this harbor.
Treat not with disdain the eyes that watch, rather keep vigilant instead.

@jbreheny,

Mate, what is the source of those last four lines? Poetically, and beautifully, written.

Quill

Thank you kind sir! That was just something I wrote off the cuff.

Mr. Miyagi used to say "wax on, wax off". Me? I'd rather wax poetic.

Although I may have been channeling Lewis Carroll because the moment before I typed that up the line "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things" briefly crossed my consciousness.

@jbreheny,

Then you are a poet, indeed. When I read those lines, I was immediately stopped in my tracks and went back and re-read them several times to study their construction. I figured you were quoting someone famous but was surprised I didn't recognize the lines as George Orwell's "1984" is one of my favorite books, and one about which I've written extensively.

Very nice job indeed.

You have a new Follower.

Quill

@quillfire, I have read several of your posts and coming from someone with your command of the English language this is an incredible compliment.

I've always considered myself more of a lyricist but I guess poetry and lyrics go hand in hand.

@jbreheny,

@lauch3d just wrote a great article on Biometric ID: I highly recommend it.

https://steemit.com/steem/@lauch3d/using-the-fingerprint-model-of-meos-for-steem

Quill

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@helpiecake,

That cake looks delicious. And you know what ... it does help! :-)

Thank you.

Quill

@quillfire, as usual, your thoughtful and provocative post incites a flurry of opinion, both sides. I really had not read much about MEOS, which is supposed to launch in a few days. I went to EOS website and Block.one website looking for more information - and found nothing on either site mentioning MEOS. I thought that was really odd for a major platform to be launching right away. I did find this:

The EOS community is expecting some major announcements on this day. Block.one has even set up a special website section just for people to subscribe to the event. On the website, Block.one has posted the recently obtained Trademark MEOS which describes s service eerily similar to a social media platform.

Part of the description of the trademark says:

“providing temporary use of non-downloadable web and mobile application software for virtual community, social networking, photo sharing, electronic media sharing, and encrypted or otherwise secured messaging and media transmission; computer services, namely, creating online virtual communities for users to organize groups and events, participate in discussions, and engage in social, business, and community networking;”

This explains why most analysts are expecting Block.one to launch a social media platform on the EOS blockchain. If this is the case, the launch of a social media platform will catapult the price of EOS coins severalfold, an event for which speculators are preparing by purchasing EOS coins as many as they can get their hands on.

@blueeyes8960,

I sure hope it's MEOS. As I explained to @bengy:

After this damn post ... @dan had better not announce that they're changing the design of their icon. Or provide an explanation of what "EOS" means. If he does, I'm going to look like a schmuck. :-)

For more info, Google "EOS June 1" and click on videos when the results appear. There's lots of discussion and analysis. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if someone finds an enigmatic reference in the quatrains of Nostradamus. :-)

Look, here's the thing: @dan has firepower:

The report added that Block.one had about $3 billion in assets including cash and investments at the end of February, based on a March 19 email Block.one sent to shareholders and seen by the news outlet. Block.one is also holding as many as 140,000 bitcoin, the report further said.

https://www.coindesk.com/71-million-galaxy-digital-sells-stake-in-eos-blockchain-maker-block-one

You can have a big impact, very quickly, when you can fire shells the size of Volkswagens.
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Quill

If as you say, steemit is going down the plug hole then it would be best to cash out now before it does... right?

@wales,

The big announcement occurs today at 6-9 PM EST (US). It's not being live-streamed but I suspect lots of tweets will start leaking out before they air the recorded video following the event. Powering down takes 13 weeks so, at this point, there's not much harm in waiting to see what exactly transpires.

Remember, we don't know for sure that the announcement will be for MEOS only that that is almost everyone's best guess. Respecting my predictions, they are based upon my predicates: That MEOS is Cheat-Free. It may take some time to make such a determination.

I (Florida) am in the Washington, D.C. timezone so I'll start watching the three-hour event at 9 PM and finish around midnight. I'll probably spend all day tomorrow really trying to understand what it all means and I'll strive for a post the next day. Expect a lot of hoopla and erroneous details in the early days.

Quill

Thanks, I'll wait to hear what it is then

I wish I'd seen this post 5 days ago when it was new. I'm always reluctant to invest too much work in a post that's going to be buried under 200+ other replies.

But anyhow, I do support 95% of what you've said here. I know I told you a few months ago that I wasn't giving up on Steemit, but I may have reached my burnout point. You said above, "A large percentage of Steemians (almost certainly a super-majority) are demoralized to the point of suffering from SID ... Steemit Induced Depression". For me that's about where I stand.

I do believe in the words of Matthew 7:1-2, and I have no desire for revenge, but I also believe in Matthew 7:6 and I'm damned tired of casting my pearls before swine.

However, all that being said, the idea of biometric ID creeps me out bigtime. I have no idea how that's going to work out in practicality, but it sounds a bit too creepy and intrusive for me.

Oh yeah, and in closing, Machiavelli was never wrong about anything, if you read The Discourses, although he may seem that way if you base your observations only upon The Prince.

@redpossum,

@lauch3d just wrote a great article on Biometric ID: I highly recommend it.

https://steemit.com/steem/@lauch3d/using-the-fingerprint-model-of-meos-for-steem

Respecting Machiavelli ... stop killing my clever quips. :-) I know it's more complicated than that to which I alluded but I was trying to make the point that being Loved and Respected (often poo-pooed by modern business leaders) by your troops is generally a far more potent leadership strategy than being Feared. And, that quote from The Prince ... it's the one everybody knows.

Quill

IIRC what Machiavelli said in The Discourses was that being feared is more important than being loved, best of all to be both feared and loved, but at all costs a leader must avoid being hated.

And true leadership is inspirational, it makes you want to do your best. Leaders are scarce in the modern business world. A manager stands behind the troops and drives them forward with a whip; a leader gets out in front and shouts, "follow me!"

What do you think of the following bidbot solution? Add a small "fee" for delegations in order to incentivize manual/own curation. The idea is to make delegations (to bidbots) worth a little less compared to native/own Steem Power curation, outlined here: https://steempeak.com/steemit/@vikisecrets/hf21-eip-solution-proposal-for-bid-bots-and-delegation-abuse-add-a-small-fee-for-delegations

@vikisecrets,

Hi Viki.

Personally, I'm in favor of banning bidbots outright. But, to answer the question you pose here (and in your article), I think it's an interesting proposal. I'm not sure what Delegation Percentage Reduction would be required to achieve your aims ... but your 10-20% sounds plausible.

Here's the thing though: Your proposal would almost certainly "kill bidbots" as quickly as would my outright ban. If the Whales/Witnesses won't ban bidbots (because they're the ones that own/delegate to them), why would they more readily agree to your proposal?

In any event, it's nice to see someone at least thinking in this direction.

Quill

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Thanks for sharing! But biometrics itself is not perfect. This could be sold or hacked!

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its not about account access, its about a process which is called proof-of-life. The sum of the interactions with devices (fingerprint- facelock) + the interactions with other accounts make you unique. You can still have accounts without any identification. You can have multiple accounts. But what you cant is bullshitting the system, selfvoting and so on. If you want the rights of a unique user, you must be identified. But still people confuse it with deanonymisation. Proof-of-life is not about knowing who you are but knowing that you are one person behind multiple accounts. This makes UBI and democracy possible and is a nessesary step towards distribution --> true decentralisation. 21 Witnesses in power is not realy decentralised is it? Maybe those 21 persons are two persons...you cant know.

Thanks. You’ve made your point about centralization and decentralization. I don’t think that it is possible to have 100% decentralization any way.
The new biometrics system you are explaining seems very complex and dynamics. How could present technology capture these intricacies without errors? If things changes continuously or evolving through time, the capturing process will also have to be updated accordingly. Wouldn’t this system become very expensive through time?!

Thank you for your attention.

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great point its indeed a dynamical process. The social-media use case for decentralized dAPPs is extremely hard to solve. I dont think that it is expensive over time. It's expensive to establish an AI-algorithm tracking all the information (but thats not different from google or youtube). I proposed to make a simpler version for steemit but I dont know if the steem aliance got the point at all. If you have any Ideas for a simple solution this would solve a billion dollar problem and could bring steem to mass adoption. We need smart proxys for human activity. Something wich you can´t find in bot activity patterns.

reputation? no
number of posts or comments? No
number of flags? no
votes per post? no
it needs to be some kind of connectivity measure. Because the amount of human interaction would average out to one person. No matter how many accounts you have. When you have two accounts the limiting resource for human interaction is always time. On both accounts, it will add up to 100% anyways.

@lauch3d,

Excellent point, well articulated.

Quill

Hell yah what a diatribe and rant packed full of opinion and history and speculation. This comment is probably a waste of time and will be buried beneath the 150+ others but I had to reply anyhow.

I am not sure I believe so black and white that steemit will either moon or go to zero immediately. There are problems and I focus on blogging and networking so that platform doesn’t matter. It would be a shame to see the stake I have built dwindle to zero value but I can’t see that happening.

It does suck when your qualified opinion so passionately conveyed results in nothing so I can see your points. I will be watching the beginning of June for sure.

Thanks for the awesome post!

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@zekepickleman,

Hey Zeke.

I read each and every comment I receive, especially when it's PHC.

As you may know, my background is in finance (mostly hedge funds). If even 10% of Steemians were to start powering down, it would trigger something much larger. All complex systems have "critical thresholds" below which they simply ... collapse. The inflection point that triggers the bank run, the straw that breaks the camel's back.

STEEM/Steemit is ranked 60th amongst cryptocurrencies and is only a bit over $100 million in market cap. Our active user-base has plummeted over the past six months and it's not being replaced by new users. I don't know exactly where the blockchain's critical threshold is, but it can't be far away.

If MEOS is launched in a couple of days, that is going to draw the attention of a LOT of Steemians.

Time will tell.

Quill

You bet. Support and resistance and correction and critical mass. Such great insight and topic for conversation. This discussion makes informed powerhouses of us all.

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@zekepickleman,

Zeke, the best thing that happened to me since joining Steemit was my joining the Power House Creatives. And, I'll be honest about the reason why.

IQ.

The collective IQ of PHC is at least two standard deviations above the rest of the blockchain ... and, Man, does that ever effect conversations and conclusions.

You can't make people intellectually curious. Either they are, or they aren't.

Thanks for being a curious smarty-pants. :-)

Quill

steemit clones like whaleshare, weku, meos, golos can't harm steemit because steemit is father :D

@sameernawab,

Darth Vader was Luke's father ... but his patriarchy didn't save his ass, did it?
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Quill

Hahahaha!

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Biometric Identification (limiting accounts to one per person and hence making multiple-account-self-upvoting impossible) is required to open a MEOS account; and

I'd like to know what kind of biometric data they need. My fingerprints or my blood test, or my retina?

@macchiata,

I don't know either. Whenever Biometric ID is discussed, it's usually fingerprints, facial recognition or retina scans ... and usually in that order. My guess is it would be one of the first two.

Quill

That explains it! Although Biometric ID might be future. I don't see myself using Meos due that reason.

@macchiata,

@lauch3d just wrote a great article on Biometric ID: I highly recommend it.

https://steemit.com/steem/@lauch3d/using-the-fingerprint-model-of-meos-for-steem

Quill

Thank you! I read it and it's covering aspects that I have yet to know.

Interestingly, despite all the naysaying, the steemit Inc developers have quietly actually been doing stuff recently. Implementing rocksdb actually means that on a technical level, Steem blockchain is leaving EOS in the dust. The woes that plague Steem (and I am certainly not suggesting you are wrong in your critiques) are all easily fixed. It would probably only take one million SP dedicated to flagging bid bot users randomly to quickly change the game - maybe more SP, but the point is it could easily happen in a blink of the eye. THere is nothing wrong with the fundamental blockchain mechanics that can't be fixed by the community at large prioritizing the right things, and fighting against the bidbot owner/witness circle jerking.

The fundamental flaw of EOS and almost every other major blockchain competitor to Steem is the reliance on RAM to process all transactions. This is an actual technical limitation that Steem has now blown past. Any social media platform based on EOS is absolutely doomed, as activity increases the cost to post (cost for RAM required to post) will be exponentially more prohibitive compared to Steem going forward.

Hi @quillfire

I'm not following MEOS closely and I kind of learned about this project mostly from your post.

I was just wondering what did actually happen on 1st of June? Did EOS announces the launch of MEOS (Steemit 2.0)?

Just curious

Thx for solid read.
Piotr