I will become a whale in 24hours, here's how.

in steemit •  8 years ago  (edited)

Do I have your curiosity?
The main purpose of this post is to clear some misconceptions about how the value of your upvote is calculated, what's the effect of some of the future changes and a little FUN!

Here's my plan to evolve from dolphin to whale in 24 hours.

I'll first go to http://steemwhales.com and look at my ranking.


Here I am: #684.

Now all I have to do is convince all of the above me to STOP UPVOTING! That's 683 people. But I'm not getting discouraged! 133 of the top 500 users didn't even vote once so I'm looking at about 550 people. I'm just gonna start a very very aggresive campaign.
PEOPLE of STEEMIT! If you care, write to your local whale and help my cause :D "Raz for WHALE!" [ billboard coming soon on a ledger near you! ]

You might be wondering now why would that even work.

Here's the idea, if no one above me would upvote than my upvote will be the most valuable upvote on Steemit. I would essentially have a whale-level upvote at dolphin level SP. Why is that?

The Deal

There are too pools: A money pool. A voting pool. These two pool are independent of each other but correlated.
There is a fixed amount of "money" from pool A to be distributed to the content creator. The allocation of the money is influenced by how powerful and how many votes happen in pool B.

Right now, pool B has huge votes from whales, which in turn makes my vote mean very little and its value, allocated from pool A is very small, a few cents. BUT if everyone above me will STOP upvoting then my vote, allocated proportionally from pool B would be HUGE. Of course, there will be many dolphin-whales to share the throne so I will never reach dan/ned/smooth level but it will still be HUGE.

Beyond my dreams of upvoting crazy$$ what is, in fact, the important conclusion?
That we don't ACTUALLY need for whales to vote more. In fact, we might not need them at all.
Because the way it is set up to be:

" The platform does not care who upvotes "

I think is the most important sentence in this post. Take a moment to think about it...

If only one person were to upvote, then all the rewards would be concentrated in that one and only upvote!
If two people were to upvote, then all the rewards would be concentrated in those two upvotes, proportionally to their vesting power. Let's say I and dantheman are the sole upvoters, then pray he upvotes you, because my vote won't be worth much but it will still be A LOT more than I currently have.

The Consequence

I think this is something that need to be better communicated - it's rather difficult to dig this information and understand it - which would leads to a lot less misunderstanding. Because once this becomes clear, it's easy to see why the new 5 votes rule could be great for YOU, the average content curator. And why hoping that more whales upvote, so maybe you hit one of the big upvotes is actually hurting YOUR perspective in the long run.

Because as whales vote less, your voting value goes up! And as it is, you give more value to various people you follow and like. In time, this will lead to more people having more SP in circle that eventually will see Steemit with a very healthy distribution.. A strong Steemit middle class would be good for everyone.

Sadly, my plan to become a whale overnight is not going to work, because everyone has an incentive to upvote for curation rewards and to stay ahead of dilution. Oh well, I'll do it the ol' fashioned way: by writing good content :)

Thank you for reading and I hope this was useful.

R.

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Very Strange but interesting logic! I never thought of it that way.

Thanks a lot! The idea is that with logic we can move forward to make more rational steemit decision...from whales to minnows, from devs to content creators. I hope to help a bit on bridging these diverse categories :)

Midnight thoughts Raz?
It's actually a good point and I would fully support 48-72h of #whalebreak to leave all the voting power to the middle class. Hell, I would even make it a regular. Every last weekend of every month, whales begone (and upvote bots)!!
Whales can post too within that timeframe, just not upvote.
What's the worst that can happen? A better looking Trending page? jk.

Let's seriously consider this for a second and maybe start lobby-ing for it? It might be a winner.

that would be cool!

Start on 9-9 for 99 percent. Maybe we should post this again and get it trending.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@dennygalindo/a-day-of-fasting-on-votes-for-the-whales-9-9-16

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

I say we should give it a try, what's the worst that could happen.

I would even throw in 5SBD to promote it.

Would we only speak to each other and comment in Whale? (start at 2:30)

You get 100% of my last power ....now I breath in and keep on swimming or actually for now just floating

Interesting reasoning and I agree with your bottom line: "write good content!" That's the way to go. UPVOTED and commented!

@kus-knee (The Old Dog)

Sometimes the old fashioned way is best, lol!

:D we do what we can!

Your post was funny and informative olso @razvanelulmarin!
Dont you worry you will get there you are close!

You got a lot of positive comment on this post. Here's another one. I agree with the masses, excellent post!

This means a lot, man! Thanks a lot!!

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Maybe instead of the "5 vote rule", hardfork 14 could introduce the "first 100 richest don't allow to vote at all - go to vacations and relax without having the curation hassle" probably that would benefit the platform also ;)

hahahaha. brilliant.

I am not kidding! :)

It would be a weird world if you and I were both at whale status :)

hehe. the ocean is big enough, man :))
But as I said, the main purpose to me is that people have a better understanding of the ocean ;)
did I achieve that?

I think you did.

what would you do?

Vote for content I think is well made, even if I don't like it. I certainly wouldn't vote for things just because a user is popular (which I am inclined to do now to get more curation rewards).

you are killing me at curation rewards though, good job on that. But i confess, I do not vote for curation at all :)

I mostly just vote for those I follow. Like you for instance.

Save your power for my daytime post :)
nice idea or theory, anyway

not a theory. make a "razvanelul for whale!" art and you'll be on the PR team :D

Do you mean my latte art? :)

of course!

Have Fun :)

:)))))))) you killed me!
Thanks!

Interesting ideas and concepts...

thanks!

THis is why I proposed whale fasting to spread rewards. 9-9 for 99 percent
https://steemit.com/steemit/@dennygalindo/a-day-of-fasting-on-votes-for-the-whales-9-9-16

how did i miss that? that' sbrilliant!!

Make it happen. No one saw that post.

wish i could, man...

@dennygalindo, whale fasting, that is freaking brilliant and entertaining! @razvanelulmarin your idea gets honorable mention. :-)

Thanks maybe ill repost it tomorrow to get momentum. We need the devs behind it to work but we could pull off one day right?

It could be the first official "steemit holiday" with many other types to come. People love holidays.

You might have a great idea but you are just selfish! You, becoming a whale overnight just because of a great idea? This community is not about you or someone else becoming a whale just like that! Is not that easy how you might think. What about other people if they want to became a whale because you succeed so easy? What will happen then? Will be only whales here? Anyway, this is just my opinion and I don't want to offend you. I hope you will understand me.

It was said in jest and in order to highlight a point. If everyone above @razvanelulmarin were to abstain from voting then the same amount of Steem would be distributed as rewards with the voter at the top i.e @razvanelulmarin being able to allocate the most rewards.

:)

Wow what timing.. I had just read a previous post and upvoted it.. I was shocked to find out that my vote was worth $360.00 but now i see why. Thanks for sharing!

where?!

A whale voted as you were reading the post :)

"A strong Steemit middle class would be good for everyone" - Having thought about this over the last few days, I agree. I think it's the way forward tbh.

if you believe it, please write to your local whale and convince him/her to stop upvoting.!
dolphin unite!

Nice point of view
If the whales don't make the revolution on the top, the dolphins and the minnows will force it from the bottom

revolutions are costly, i do not recommend.

We beed more revolutions per second. Power Up! :-D

Yes revolution here to me means change the actual paradigm, no violent revolution

All right! Nobody upvote!
Oh...oops. I upvoted this and diluted the pool. I suppose it's better than peeing in it. LOL
On a serious note: How does one know when they've graduate from minnow to dolphin...to whale? is it based on steem power or vests?

😂

10M-100M Vests is a dolphin

Thank you @wingz
Crud.
I'm at .516 right now. I've got a ways to go. meh :/

I finally understand that 5 votes a day thing now. THIS is the way you explain stuff. thanks mate!! :D

on thing you need to understand 100% is that ONE vote will be worht 8x. so now elt's say you upvote 3 cents you will now have 5 25cents bullets.
BUT if you wish, you can upvote t 20% and get the same number of votes at no loss. the idea is that you can make much more of a difference, and also the whales will upvote less and maybe make some room for us to be more powerful too.
It's not a bad plan...

Fanny and interesting. I really enjoyed reading this post :)

glad you liked it!

Interesting post! Thank you.

Hmmm... interesting indeed. I will have to think about this some more :D I knew 5 votes was better, but if even less people vote... well the 5 votes helps that goal as well for the curators. Thanks for this!

Peace.

no worries. anything that gets people thinking is good i say :D

Great mindset, you have my support!

Posted fasting idea again if you want to drive some interest

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hahahaahahahah. I know this post is old and you probably won't see this message. I enjoyed the read and I am somewhat sad your experiment failed.. Hope you have become a whale by now :)