Anyone annoyed by all of the 0.001 memo spam sent by bidbots and resteem services?
@byresteem and others: This is what I think of your services
Here's an idea. Make the wallet transfer in limit an optional setting. At 0.001 (bare minimum for Steem), they are able to send 1000 memos for 1 SBD. That is crazy as there are only about 60,000 active users on the platform. If the limit was increased to say 0.02, that would mean to get the same reach, it is going to cost them 20 SBD. But, some people might not want that so, make it an optional setting. This will also stop a lot of the memo spam that the larger accounts get from people wanting this or that. Perhaps there could be a maximum limit of 1 SBD.
On top of this, if an account transfers and it is below the set threshold, it could be either kicked back to the account with a memo stating the threshold or, perhaps even burned. People would be much more careful sending memos if the price was higher and there was a risk of burning.
If someone I know is actually targeting me directly, they could come to my wallet, see the threshold and then send the memo appropriately. If they really needed to get a message to me in this way, they could then use the upper 1 SBD limit to ensure it. For me, memo spam is one of the worst kinds because I can't even flag it as such and with such a low cost, there is nothing stopping them from spamming almost daily.
This might push more of their spam onto the posts but, at least there they are able to be flagged and muted. In the real world, there is a cost to sending junk mail and the email spam is mostly filtered. My wallet, although public, is still mine and there should be some option to filter what comes into it. It would be a small tweak to the UI but, it might kill some of the spam from the resteem services and make them actually work for their clientele.
Or, how about a flag option on wallet transfers that only affects Rep and if under a certain rep, they can't send memos anymore?
What do you think?
Taraz
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I'm not! I wish there was way more. lol I like free money. :)
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I agree on that! I get bombarded by resteem services which we know doesn't work because the majority are either dead accounts or bot accounts they accumulated.
Increase the memo fee, If someone needs to message someone so badly then it is worth it.
I received a ton of witness vote requests when I had to remove a witness vote I had to move it to someone else and it was a fast automated message.
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There's something I still don't get, I didn't receive a memo spam not until my wallet got a reasonable amount of steem transfer. Do the spam bots operate based on a set wallet balance? Are they programmed to know which wallet is robust or not?
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most likely, if you can't afford their services, why would they memo you? It is pretty easy for a bot to be programmed to only send to some wallets.
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Oh, I see!
Thanks for the insight @tarazkp
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I could live with a feature where each one could set the limit themselves.
But this should also be incorporated when trying to send a memo to someone. It should inform me what the threshold of the recipient is. For sure if the steem or SP will be burned.
I don’t have so much Spam in my wallet, I am just not important enough 😂
For me it is just free steem. But I do understand if you get lots of them that it can become really annoying!
So I am not annoyed yet by it but I do like your idea!
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This is a great idea, I already find these memos irritating (and not in the slightest bit tempting!) enough as it is.
Allowing me to set a limit and a bounce back refund is a nice balance I think. I think this is relatively 'low hanging fruit' in terms of implementing it, and I can't see there being too much disagreement.
Hopefully this will happen as I can only see myself getting more of them over time otherwise and it most certainly isn't desirable.
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I certainly find it annoying. it honestly makes me never want to use their services at all. In my opinion they are wasting their time and money.
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I don't know how anyone thinks it is going to really help them anyway but, their advertising approach is terrible.
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It sounds like a good idea, although I must say memo spam doesn't annoy me much, as I hardly notice it; my eyes seem to skip over it with great ease. There are many other things that annoy me much more.
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Imagine a whale having to scroll down through a thousand wallet entries just to see a transaction from two days ago. The bigger you get the worse it gets.
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There is that, yes. No such worries for me, though 8-).
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At one point, for a very brief moment we had this warning message in some of the memo transfers, probably based on the rep of the person sending. This gave users the possibility to click the memo messages open, but they were normally hidden from people with rep 25 and below.
This could be one option to give people the option to see the messages, but generally hide them.
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For the low reps yes I think it is good but, I would still prefer not to get memos from resteem services and the like at all. Even the ones from new witnesses annoy me. If they want my vote, earn it on the platform.
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"I've invested a lot on this platform, vote me for witness. Today I spent 5 SBD for marketing myself! And that's a lot!"
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you got my vote.
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Mostly people just need stop sending them money they will run out and after a while of not turning a profit they will go elsewhere to make said money. Everytime someone pays them they just feed them spam money.
Last month I wrote Wallet Spam And Phishing Attempts Seem On The Rise on my thoughts of allowing the users to set their own wallet fees as well as allowing people to create a whitelist so legit usues for that user did not have to meet that threshold with that user.
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The bots are using people's wallets as the ad section of a newspaper. 0.01 is totally not enough to get an ad space in my wallet. They either have to start sending me more money or, indeed, there should be a flag option for transaction memos.
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Yep, a small amount more and they all stop the spam as it gets too expensive for them.
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I wish I could get spammers in the rest of the world to give me three-tenths of a cent USD every time they do it.
I do kind of like the flagging wallet memos thing, though.
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Agreed but it will never happen due to that very price and volume plus, how much spam do you really get a day? I found that at 19,000 SP I get ~1 Steem a day in interest. That is 1000 memos.
Wallet flags.. what is the world coming to... :D
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If someone really wants to farm the wallet-memo spam, I find I get some every time I change my witness vote.
I suppose if you wanted to be particularly nasty to those particular spammers you could create an account that does that via bot.
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Though im still new, when i was much newer,i actually used to enjoy them coming into my wallet. But not anymore, actually im not really bothered about now, but the later when we have thousands of them populating the wallet.
The limit will surely come in handy
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You have a point with this. Outside of spam I can't see many people needing to transfer 0.001. It's such a small amount that to raise it to 0.01 would only affect a minority of people. Or as you said have a slider in setting for your personal thresholds.
Minnows might be passing a few tiny amounts around but people with 20,000SP will have totally different limits.
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I'd like to see it set wherever the wallet holder decides, but with a refund button, so you can bounce it back if you decide it's legit.
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With that vote you can buy 210 memos...
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Hovering around 30%. I just have to leave it alone a few days :)
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lol.. I don't think I have been that low in over a year (before I understood what was going on) :D
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Very clever, there should probably just be a section for them sort of, and yes the refund if its legit
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Is there a limit of how many transfers people can make a day? That could fix or atleast limit it. No one needs to send thousands of memos a day. Its a tough one its getting worse and worse too
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No limit other than bandwidth (based on SP).
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Ok. Well this could possibly be a solution somehow - maybe limiting newer users/users with lower reputation score
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I find them irritating myself, there are not promotions I want to be thrown at me, However, I am still growing and though I need 1000 of those to get 1 I do not mind them trickling in at the 0.001.
Need provides the willingness to suffer? 10 of them make a penny, and one of those pennies might just tip the scales for me. The silver lining of the dark cloud to some.
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It could work without changing the underlying blockchain.
A few tweaks in the UI of the frontends (steemit.com, busy.org) can make them invisible.
I don't have too many problems with the numbers I get (still a small fish), but I kinda worry that a newcomer can see my wallet and think those services are worth trying. As of now, our wallets are the craigslist for the bot/resteem service owners. Send $0.001 to post an add, wait for the calls...
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I can't effectively search thru old transactions because of all the memo spam.
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I have noticed that it is getting worse. Either I have more money and now they are interested in me now or there are just more of them. I agree increase the limit and it may stop them for now or at least slow them down.
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Not a bad idea. I absolutely hate that kind of spam
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Thanks for the insight. I started using resteem service for my posts and Everytime I make a transfer I end up getting 5-7 updates from bots trying to lure me with services.
Now that I know I'll try moving the threshold amount.
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What I would like to see is a way to filter out any post that actually uses bots for promotion. This would weed out so much junk that is forced to the top of the trending pages.
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who looks at the trending pages?
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To be honest, I kinda enjoy the spams..... Even 0.001 Steem could 100 dollars in the future
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that is unlikely but that is also why it could be optional through the settings.
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I think I just upvoted you 10,000 dollars :P
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Thnx..... 😆😆😆
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This issue has been bugging me for a while. Like you said, it's your wallet, so you should have some control over it.
I don't normally post links to my posts in comments, but I wrote an article on this a month ago. If you'd like to check it out, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. If you'd rather not have the link in your comments section, let me know and I'll remove it.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@themanwithnoname/wallet-fix-stop-the-scams-spam
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Yes it really annoys. There must be a limit for memo sending. 99% of this services are spamer and scamer. You will not return 1 SBD/STEEM for a resteem. We know the true numbers and have a fair price. This accounts never post something, they know everybody would flag them.
@resteem.bot
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I appriciate with your words
And this is the best solution for memo spammers. because It's really embarrassing. They just found a way to cheat people for their own sake. I think these spammers account should be disabled by steemit authority. i find a lot of memo spam i my wallet . this is disgusting at all.
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there is no Steemit authority.
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I get a lot of these memo spam in my wallet. Sometimes I wondered if they are vitally people sending this or even bots. They are mainly resteem services they are talking about. I find it quite distorting when I try to check through my wallet history and find lots of these memos. I don’t regard them because I know I am just one of the thousands of people that received it. If it costs more, then this services will actually just send memos to specific targets.
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Yeah you are so very observant and it’s a wonderful thing you’re aware of your environment and bringing some faults to our notice, this memo spam annoys me I must say , sending me what I might not be interested In an trying to buy my attention with some non accountable steem or sbds. I agree that the fee must be raised to 0.02 even 0.01 as this will reduce the memo spam thing. You’re a good observer and to me , this makes you a good leader who’d never lead the followers astray. Thanks for bringing this to our notification
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you are insane, please stop this. So little of what you comment is related to anything even remotely about the articles. Oh, I AM NOT A WITNESS
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Have you seen @pleasestop?
It's a great new bot that replies to spammers with the stats around their last 100 comments.
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I really apologize
I did not mean really
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You don't seem to read the posts (or understand them if you do) so please, if you have nothing of value to add, just don't comment. It is a waste of your time and mine.
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Too bad this spams are everywhere, we are talking about memo spam and here we are dealing with comments spam. You need to know better my friend , honest comment will get you far on building relationships with the authors and other commenters alike. If you need more knowledge on making honest comments. Feel free to ask anyone especially myself and I’d help. You can’t be condemned cause you don’t have the knowledge, instead the knowledge shall be impacted if you’re willing to take it . Keep steeming and making a difference my friend @roselover
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