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dennygalindo (59) · 8 years ago

This is a huge issue. I think it's better if the formula is simple but why not the 1.5 power?

I would love to see a real post wIth different scaling factors and how it might impact rewards.

The example would be 10 post with ten votes on each and a whale vote on one. Then show the payout under the old or new formulas

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nonlinearone (65) · 8 years ago

Good question, but also why not 1.01 power? Anything higher than one will help fight sybil attacks, and the less 'extreme' it is, the more fair it will be for "normal" users. I agree a more detailed post would be good but honestly my SteemIt related posts have gone nowhere so my incentive to put a ton of effort into something like that is pretty small. This post was kind of a way to see if people had any interest in this topic or not (it's also sometimes difficult for me to figure out what points from the white paper might be known to many and what points aren't) - so far it seems like there is some so, yay!

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dennygalindo (59) · 8 years ago

I would like to see the numbers run with 1.1 1.2 1.3 all the way to 2.0 and see how different it is. Perhaps it will be obvious which is a nice balance to rewarding winners and rewarding all.

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inkbit (42) · 8 years ago

55 votes and only a half-dollar earned. Guess the whales don't agree, no? I actually prefer Krill over the Minnow moniker, and will be using Krill from this point forward, as it more resembles the truth.

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nonlinearone (65) · 8 years ago

Yes, I imagine people think the title is clickbait - it's not - it's just truth.

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creatr (70) · 8 years ago

Still in the process of figuring out how Steemit "really works."

Your post has helped considerably! ;) Thanks!

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modernbukowski (60) · 8 years ago

Wow, this is going to take some time to digest, but this post is definitely going become trending.

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nonlinearone (65) · 8 years ago (edited)

Thanks. This is something I've been thinking about for a while but felt it needed to just be done today hence the back of the envelope calculations. I would like to ask that anyone who is mathematically inclined please check my work and let me know if there are any errors. In any case I believe the main idea is sound - n^2 is too extreme.

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acassity (61) · 8 years ago

This is the reason this platform won't go mainstream is they keep changing everything by the day I feel like they need to go with one formula and stick with it not keep changing everything. I don't use the site like I used to because I am tired of all the weekly changes and your vote only counting if you invest $1,000,000 into the platform bfd let everyone have equal votes not only investors who have money to burn then it will go mainstream.

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igster (63) · 8 years ago

We are still in beta with small userbase. This is the time to tweak.

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nonlinearone (65) · 8 years ago

To underscore my point, this post has 60 votes, many by people with thousands of SP, and has earned 54 cents. I rest my case.

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acassity (61) · 8 years ago

Facebook doesn't only count your vote if you invest into their stock do they? And Reddit doesn't only count your votes if your an investor either. This is basically what the platform is your votes only count if your an investor. How about we just create a great platform build the site to over 1,000,000 active users and not worry about the money just focus on building a successful platform then the value of SP will go up. The only way the value will go up us to build the userbase.

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ibringawareness (63) · 8 years ago

All very true! (However Facebook and Reddit don't pay you for your votes, or your content that they profit from.) This is new territory, and I won't spam here but just did a pretty decent post totally agreeing with you. I've said in comments and articles many times, Content is King, Cream Rises, comment, build an organic following, and play "the long game" here because the price will go up (as the user base increases, as you said) and all of our micro-pennies just might turn into a whopping retirement fund as every college kid in Uzbekistan (ie, everywhere) signs up here just to get a free blog. The platform is still in Beta, building a great platform is what is happening now as committed users add their content and technological skills. It's awesome to be in on the ground floor still i think.

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nonlinearone (65) · 8 years ago

Thanks @ibringawareness. If I didn't care about the platform or didn't think it had a future, I wouldn't have posted this. However, I think it's healthy and helpful to point out things like this. Please keep in mind when I said "Your votes don't matter" in the title, I'm including myself since I don't have 100k or 1M SP either ;)

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ibringawareness (63) · 8 years ago

Indeed, I'm still a microplankton too. And as to the beow, yes we all get excited about money; it has to be included in the discussion always, as a large part of the equation.

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nonlinearone (65) · 8 years ago

Good points, but since money is a part of this new paradigm we can't just ignore it. It seems like anything which could improve the situation for newer users would be helpful to the growth of the platform, which is why I brought this idea up :)

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samether (58) · 8 years ago (edited)

Why does it have to be n^2? Why not e.g. n^1.1, or possibly some function that favors accounts reaching a certain size

How about a dynamic Fractal function ;In this case the system will grow organically. With the function changing across several classes of SP.

If E=M¾
then individual SP growth(generated as result of content creation or power up)=(Total SP of system)¾

Growth and curation return should not be proportional to individual SP but equal across the system.

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nonlinearone (65) · 8 years ago

This sounds interesting. I don't know much about dynamic fractal functions but would love to learn more :)

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cm-steem (67) · 8 years ago

The initial distribution method for steem is a bit of a joke, it might be financially beneficial for the few that got in early but the effect it's had is that where they don't vote barely any rewards are dished out - leading to users leaving in droves.

Redistribution or 'raining' of steem assets via Project Rain really needs to take place at some point in the future. https://github.com/grctest/project-rain-site

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nonlinearone (65) · 8 years ago

Just thought of a new name: #millikrill
If a millimeter is a thousandth of a meter, a millikrill is a thousandth of a krill.
By the way, as I mentioned in the article, if I am wrong on any of these points in terms of my calculations, someone please speak up.

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nonlinearone (65) · 8 years ago

This post was featured on @officialfuzzy's show :) Thanks @officialfuzzy and thanks to @brindleswan for inviting me to talk about it.
https://steemit.com/beyondbitcoin/@officialfuzzy/guest-signups-beyond-bitcoin-hangout-173-9-16-16-rsvp-to-friday-s-hangout-refer-projects-for-rewards
I'll add a link to the recording of the discussion when it's available.

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nonlinearone (65) · 8 years ago

Here's a link to @officialfuzzy's write up about Beyond Bitcoin Episode 173 where we discussed this issue https://steemit.com/beyondbitcoin/@officialfuzzy/e173-beyond-bitcoin-peerplays-grc-jewels-steem-posts-nonlinearone-s-lessthankrill-and-intelliguy-s-no-fud

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