Vaccines Kill Children - Here&#x27;s Proof! And here is the answer...

sco (64) · 7 years ago

he sorted the first graph according to numbers of vaccinations regularily done in that country. Still, you are not allowed to draw a trendline, but it's better than random.

There seems to be an actual paper about this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/
they correlate the number of vaccinations of a country's standard program with children mortality, and score a r = 0.7. Not too impressive, but a weak correlation.
But then, correlation is not causality, and also we know that the US might spend a lot on their medical system, but it's bad - really bad - for anyone who cannot pay the huge bills. So the high mortality does not come surprising.
And @steemtruth is still cherry-picking the countries that would look nicest in his graph. In reality it looks like this:

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alexs1320 (71) · 7 years ago

Thank you for this, I would give you 2 up-votes, write something in reply.

r=0.7, for me, this is a cloud.

If I was a reviewer I would also request more countries (34 in the study, from 200+)
I would also request additional parameters that show the quality of the healthcare system

Like this, there could be different nations and the:

number of vehicles
number of movies
average performances on the bench-press
average amount of beer per capita

...and there will be some correlation with the r= 0.7 (in 30 - 40 countries) :)
Weak lifters in the gym kill children!

Concerning good scores of small countries with lower budgets than the US (Slovenia, 3 x better, Serbia, equal).

Those countries have universal healthcare. It's not fantastic, sci-fi, but all the people have it.
The second thing, there are no "no-go zones" there. There are no slums (except some Gipsy camps here and there).

But... It's easier to protect people from the dragons and imaginary enemies than solve the real problems

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sco (64) · 7 years ago

amen

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alexs1320 (71) · 7 years ago

So, I made some more graphs, USA vs The Best, with the 10-years lag:

The same curve, with the 10 years of delay. What is wrong with the USA - I don't know, but I see the trend.

And, as you know, I'm a petrolhead, I just made it: Number of Cars per Capita vs Dead Children:

My R is bigger than their R :) so... Cars Kill Children, WakeUp People!

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sco (64) · 7 years ago

I'm preparing an answer posts to his anti-vaxx series. I will definatly have to quote that graph!

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alexs1320 (71) · 7 years ago

Try to drink (a lot) before writing. Answering that word salad spiced with multiple logical errors is not achievable with developed and active cortex.

The same as with creationists, flat-earthers, pseudo-historians...
They will keep repeating, throwing thousands upon thousands of same false examples and still grab the attention of some percentage of population that will be very loud and passionate.

Data for the Graph:

I could cherry-pick much better but even this was nice with no effort

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kryzsec (59) · 7 years ago

there I gave you @sco a second vote that is worth roughly the same as yours

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francescoricc (25) · 7 years ago

I'm always tempted of ignoring anti-vax, flat-earth, no-moon-landing kind of posts, because I would end up talking to a wall while getting nervous and ruining my day. For this reason, I'm very glad that there's someone like you that does the job for me with such an exhaustive post! THANK YOU!!

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alexs1320 (71) · 7 years ago

Welcome to SteemIt! I agree with you, it's not pleasant, not particularly interesting because their "arguments" are too easy to deal with but at the end of the day scientific community can't just stand and watch.

By simply ignoring them, it will seem that they are winning and that they are the majority.

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branbello (49) · 7 years ago

Damn you @aleks1320 ! Obviously vaccines kill or why else would the governments want to vaccine people. :D

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alexs1320 (71) · 7 years ago

Of course, because - exactly! The lower amount of people means the lower amount of taxes and lower amount of drugs sold. Consequenly, lower profit for Big Pharma. And that is what They want, bacause - exactly!

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pastbastard (53) · 7 years ago

In my country vaccines are pretty much forced by law. My problem is vaccinating against polio and other eradicated diseases. It has been almost 30 years with zero polio, why not give that out alongside a passport and not elementary school admission? Also, the Hep vaccine had actually killed more children than the disease. There are some serious side effects sometimes too. The effects on the population as a whole, the eradication of polio, and now chicken pox, are why I vax my kids, but there are definitely a few systematic wrongs in the US and South Africa.

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alexs1320 (71) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thank you for your question.

Concerning the "eradicated", those diseases must stay eradicated, because there are still some cases of "wild" polio in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Nigeria. As we are living in the age of migrations, traveling and tourism - it will be necessary to keep it at the 0 level.

About the Hep vaccine, may you give me some source, because the No.1 on GoogleSearch is Mercola?! And the Mercola is... I will decide not to use the words.

For the sources, check scholar.google.com, because there you can find scientific articles only.
I admit, there is some junk among the scientific papers, but the majority is valid.

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kkugel2 (47) · 7 years ago

I am not going to go "sourcing" and get into that type of argument. It is a wonderful circle-jerk you can have with someone younger and less educated....💩💩💩

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alexs1320 (71) · 7 years ago

Without the sources/ math we can discuss about nice cars, Ferrari vs Porsche, girls from Russia vs girls from Sweeden or McDonalds vs BurgerKing, because that sort of discussion is subjective and not measurable.

We can't have any discussion about multiplication: 7 x 8 = 28 or 78 or 56

Daily life of a scientist looks like this:

I have an idea, opinion about something
I search the literature, sometimes find opposite opinion
I design the experiment, do measurements
Do more measurements using different method (different physics)
And only if I have the data supporting my opinion - I can publish

"I believe Tardigrades have a unique enzyme that destroys hydroxyl radical" - not worth discussing.

I isolated the protein, showed its expression, found its sequence, put it into bacteria, got the same - Nobel Prize

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kkugel2 (47) · 7 years ago

You have to look at the way Hep was stopping itself. It is a correlation, I will admit, but you have to compare the data sets. Also, in the US, you can sue anyone except the vaccine manufacturers. Why are they in such an elite class? There is a lot of "junk" accepted as science too, mostly political type junk.....

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https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/hepb.html

alexs1320 (71) · 7 years ago

Let's see, Hep B:

This is for Germany:

http://www.vhpb.org/files/html/Meetings_and_publications/Presentations/S34Radunberlin03.pdf

If Hep B erradicates itself, explain me this:

And let's see, again, Germany, not US, what is causing it:

It will eradicate by itself if:

people stop living with the patients (cruel)
if people start practicing only safe-sex or no sex at all (sure...)
if the drug users suddenly become reasonable and responsible (not very likely)

Show me one single example, of one single state/ county/ country/ region where the Hepatitis simply disappeared just naturally, without any visible cause (not including extremely small populations, islands with 10 people).

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pastbastard (53) · 7 years ago

I find it odd that the CDC and NIH do not line up. CDC spends millions on vaccines and is tied heavily to the industry. Also, what type of medicine can a doctor give you without warning you of the risks? Only vaccines have that type of protection! Like I said, try to get you polio vaccine before you go off to the backwoods of Chewbaccastan.....no need, if you are in the US you got it before you were able to attend school. The fact that Mercola is the number one Google search is a real problem here, I had never heard of Mercola, just knew that Hep was on its way down until the vaccine was introduced into the US in 1996. There are probably a lot of "mercolas" out there and why they float to the top of google searches is bizarre. I know that everyone has different results from google, but look for the numbers yourself. I have only a study of one, from which I have worked, admittedly, backwards to try to find any answers. Look at the numbers of death per year and you will see two evident facts: We are vaccinating against a disease that caused less than 5 deaths per year in children. The vaccine is killing more than 5 children per year. The side effects of 50 doses before the 4th birthday can be catastrophic. If and when you lose a child, you will probably look at things differently. I could go on for hours and hours. When my oldest was born the nurse carried him away to circumcise him. I actually had to ask where she was going and physically stop her to explain why that was stupid. Some parts of the world still circumcise or mutilate female genitals. I have no problem with a parent mutilating their child's genitals, but how would you feel if it was mandatory for public schooling? Yes the U.S. has a horrible broke health care system. Our government has stepped in to really screw things up, so we are about phucked now. One thing we also have over here, is the most aggressive vaccination schedule in the world. The fact that our government forces this is my problem. If I would have know that my youngest was going to pretty much become a vegetable, I would have slowed down the vaccine schedule at least. He will not be in contact with the general public very much, not in school with any normal kids. While I agree the alarmists who state that "vaxxed kids are doomed" are a bigger problem, non-medical type bloggers who state that they "have the answer" are not much better. The CDC has bad policy, and I have spoken to more Doctors than you have on this one topic, I guarantee. That does not require any type of "citation", just common sense. Before you go slamming anti-vaxxers in your troll post stop for a second and think about the few people who might have a vested emotional interest in hearing neither of you. Your take on science is obviously better than theirs, and I can respect that, but I am seeing zero answers here. The N.I.H. has produced the most interesting studies in the field relevant to where I am, but they are highly specialized. Go pick on the flat earthers or someone. If they are right, we can both push Dr. Andrew Wakefield off of the edge and into the void! -Rant Over

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sco (64) · 7 years ago

If I would have know that my youngest was going to pretty much become a vegetable, I would have slowed down the vaccine schedule at least.

I sympathize with you and your family. However, why and how exactly do you connect this to vaccinations?

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pastbastard (53) · 7 years ago

Since his health problems started 30 seconds after his 6 month shots, and have been getting worse for over 2 years. Like if a bullet goes through your skull and there were brain damage, how would you connect that? Why? How?

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https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/statistics/2008surveillance/slide1b.htm

alexs1320 (71) · 7 years ago (edited)

Let's check, for Hepatitis B, CDC in US:

And for 2015:

The overall incidence rate for 2015 was 1.1 cases per 100,000 population

Why it doesn't come to zero - I will show you in a separate post, but you gave me a great idea.

No. of vaccines: yes or no.

We must speak precisely. There are 50 vaccines. Ok. Let's see them: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-list.html

Rabies (sorry for the previous typo "Rabbis"), Tetanus, BCG, HPV - good?

Let's pick those controversial, and discuss precisely them.
But if we say "vaccines are bad" it can be devastating.

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pastbastard (53) · 7 years ago

I might suggest that influenza, the number one cause of death in the U.S. in 1900, does have a lot more statistics backing it. Hepatitis has been epidemic, but in more isolated ways. 2016/2017 saw record Flu-related deaths in the US and this season cases are already up, allegedly, 800%. I would love to see an actual study of why it is good to take 10 or 20 vaccines on the same day. In the U.S. this is pretty much the only choice. I would also like to see a simple explanation of how the blood/gut and blood/brain barriers operate. Is there not a better surfactant than what the US is using? Do all these shots, with all of these chemicals really need to be given out in the same 5-minute period? Also, "Rabbis", funniest typo ever! You win 100 internets today....

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