Moving to hive

fubar-bdhr (68) · 8 years ago

One of the things I've noticed when making threads is there just aren't' enough categories. People lump stuff into multiple other categories where they don't belong because where they do belong isn't in the list of categories. Sure you can put your post in that category but then after the first 15-30 minutes no one will find it. There really needs to be more categories and better organization of them. Maybe a category/subcategory/sub-subcategory system.

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6 votes

complexring (68) · 8 years ago

If you add a tag that isn't created, it's auto-generated ...

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kuriko (58) · 8 years ago

I hardly see why people are even taking steemit as a tag , it's not as if they are getting any kind of exposure out of it with the hundreds of posts flowing every hours using it.

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veralynn (58) · 8 years ago

@complexring, the problem is that people aren't creating or viewing lesser known tags. It's a vicious cycle. People want to be heard, so they post in a trending tag, and encourage behavior that is damaging to Steemit. Instead of posting and curating what we like, users hop on the bandwagon.

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fubar-bdhr (68) · 8 years ago

I've added many tags and they never show up on the list. The other day I did one in games, BSG, and I think simulator but those aren't on the list even now. I've also noticed that tags that used to be in the list aren't there anymore. Steemthought is no longer there and I've put stuff in it when it was.

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spiz0r (55) · 8 years ago

You might used trending pages in simulator. But there are no trending in that category.
You should check the new posts like this:
https://steemit.com/created/simulator
https://steemit.com/created/bsg

I have just discovered the tags are case sensitive. If you try it with BSG it shows nothing.
I think it will be much easier in the future, but now we only have this.

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fubar-bdhr (68) · 8 years ago

I might be able to find a post that way but no one else even knows to look for it because they aren't on the category list.

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thedashguy (64) · 8 years ago (edited)

What if a post relates to the topic of steemit partially? I try not to use it honestly but sometimes it feel appropriate due the the nature of the points being portrayed, no? But all in all I agree, I am sick of everything being tagged #steemit just cause... also what do you think about things like #thedashguy and/or #craigrant etc? Should these be deemed okay or annoying?

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5 votes

princewahaj (69) · 8 years ago

I would like to know the answer too. Sometimes the content of post is partially related like if I include some steemit facts in my post and 2-5 lines are about steemit, then is it a violation to use steemit tag? I don't think so. Hashtags are always connected with the content we have.

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5 votes

streetstyle (72) · 8 years ago

MY 2 Cents, literally.
A. "suspend" or deactivate that hashtag for a while
b. everyone including whales should try to ignore those posts
c. I think, in time, people will diversify there posts as other hash/categories grow or are added and gain in popularity. Because ultimately, that is what everyone is looking for, can't blame the Players @berniesanders Gotta blame the Game. And yes I am guilty , I admit. And I will not use that tag any longer unless relevant.
full $teem ahead!
@streetstyle

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winstonwolfe (71) · 8 years ago (edited)

Understood. Won't be doing it anymore.
I had been adding it to mine simply because I noticed pretty much everyone else was as well.
My thinking was "Well, it's ON Steemit, so this works, right?"
Relevancy only from here forward. ;-)

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4 votes

berniesanders (77) · 8 years ago

Good man!

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ervin-lemark (71) · 8 years ago

Noted! I will use this tag only if the content is directly related to the platform.

You are right, of course. But it is so tempting :)

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bendjmiller222 (64) · 8 years ago

This is such simple advice, but it should be followed to a T. Actually this system I proposed would allow users to see why their content was flagged and if it is spam or tagged incorrectly the poster would be able to see why.

I strongly dislike the current flagging system, because people can simply disagree or be jealous of your content, flag it, and not be held accountable.

I'm sure you have some of your own ideas that would be incredibly valuable to perfect the system I'm proposing New Content Flagging Content System With Feedback

At this point I value your comments on posts as much as upvotes. I know a comment being upvoted by you is valuable, but that can't be expected to happen often unless a user consistently creates thought provoking content or something far beyond a simple sentence.

Your comments on my proposed flagging system overhaul can open a dialogue with all users because you are followed not only because of your whale title, but because you are so heavily invested, you want to do what's best long term for steemit.

A short term gain pales in comparison to creating a system that keeps users happy and engaged and will pay dividends tenfold or more as new users join and add their unique voice without fear that disagreeing or offering an opposing viewpoint will cause them to be flagged.

I think honest critical discussions can occur when a tarnished reputation doesn't when people can be real and raw. Discussions like those between @steve-walschot and @dollarvigilante on the Are We Only Here To Feed The Narcissists post.

Hopefully this system is as important to you as I, but I realize your whale song reaches more users than my simple minnow splashing.

(By the way if you wish to return and run for office against Hillary, you will have my vote @berniesanders)

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kuriko (58) · 8 years ago

Using steemit is not very smart anyway, It is overused and your posts barely make an appearance for a few second.

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endaksi1 (55) · 8 years ago

This has started to get on my nerves a tad as well.

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7 votes

taoofsatoshi (59) · 8 years ago

That's it! Crack the whip! Don't put up with this shit. I fully support any measure to combat the people abusing the system.

Keep Steemit A Great Place To Blog!

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ydm6669 (52) · 8 years ago (edited)

The # steemit tag should only be used on posts that are actually about Steemit. That's the point of tags - to indicate the subject(s) of a post. I agree with you that flags are appropriate for repeat offenders and abusers.

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wroman0207 (50) · 8 years ago

@dan Is gonna regulate I'm sure.

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truthtaco (59) · 8 years ago

Is it ok to use #steemit so long as the post references steemit or mentions it?

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berniesanders (77) · 8 years ago

Of course.

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inertia (73) · 8 years ago

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theyam (56) · 8 years ago

I'm getting to the point now where if I post some photography I'm only going to tag it photography. I too have been guilty of using the tags just to boost my posts exposure. Ultimately it's not good for the overall Steemit experience!

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berniesanders (77) · 8 years ago

Precisely! Don't muck up #photography, it's one of my favorite categories!

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5 votes

theyam (56) · 8 years ago

Mine too!

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papa-pepper (80) · 8 years ago

Agreed, previously guilty. Nice honesty @theyam and nice photos too.

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theyam (56) · 8 years ago

Thank you!

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liberosist (70) · 8 years ago (edited)

To be fair, the situation has improved dramatically with the 5 tag limit, Dan's warning and the Reputation system.

But some miscreants continue to tag inappropriately. Personally, I'm more frustrated by people tagging stuff in the wrong sections beyond #steemit. For example, as 'science' or 'writing' just because they are vaguely about the world or their post has some text!

Would you say a flag is appropriate? Personally, I'm not sure the first time or a newbie, but for a repeat offender, most certainly.

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berniesanders (77) · 8 years ago

Personally I think a flag is appropriate for repeat offenders but everyone has the right to do as they please with their votes so that's your decision to make.

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liberosist (70) · 8 years ago

Agreed, thanks for your input. :)

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juvyjabian (72) · 8 years ago

hello @berniesanders everytime I'm having hard times choosing the right tag for my post. For instance, if I make a post invitation is it alright to use #steemit, if not what would you suggest? Is #social would me alright?

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deepdarkweb (46) · 8 years ago (edited)

Does this count just for posts or for comments as well?
I don't know if tags within replies will show up somewhere as well or just link to the category-list/feed.

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frick (61) · 8 years ago

i agree, i'm pushing all the italian community to use certain tag ro raise the italian community but they keep using always the same tag to get more upvote and raise a few dollars :( that's so sad

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royaltiffany (62) · 8 years ago

Yes Sir! ....well unless it concerns the whole platform, no ? People will use the tag simply because there are no rules concerning tags...photography is pretty much obvious , mining , also obvious, and so many others...but some are just too vague , so people use them because they don't know any better. You said something about why not 1 tag, because for example, if i have photos of animals and i want to show them here, it makes sense to use both photography and animals tag, no ?

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deepdarkweb (46) · 8 years ago

I would think so too. Having something like sub-categories would be nice. But I guess that's not possible with "tags".

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tinalover32 (54) · 8 years ago

What do you propose the Steemit community do then to address this issue? Steemit is designed in a way that promotes competitions among users so of course everyone is going to use the most popular hashtag.
Also, who's going to read every post and decides that they use the appropriate tag? The whales? But this is precisely what people are trying to do... get attention from the whales to make money.
Perhaps, there should be a way to down vote a tag and remove the post from that particular tag.
I'm curious what @ned and @dantheman think?

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cybercodetwins (54) · 8 years ago

isn't that considered a censorship in a way if they remove it from a particular tag? Do people have to list reasons now for using those hashtags...besides the obvious ones?

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repholder (62) · 8 years ago

If you want to get REKT post in a irrelevant tag. /the end

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cybercodetwins (54) · 8 years ago

what's a rekt?

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deanliu (77) · 8 years ago

just edited my new maybe-not-so-relevant post to exclude this tag. thank you for a warning!

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wizwom (48) · 8 years ago

Yeah, it sucks when p[eople abuse the features.
Like, say, downvoting original content because you got a burr in your but.

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cybercodetwins (54) · 8 years ago (edited)

Somebody poked bernie sander bear.So no more steemit hashtags unless it's promoting steemit. :) Just wanted to say my twin's sis America loves bernie!!! :) ...me...I am just saying I go for making america moving forward with diversity...and steemit to push forward as well.

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wisehammer (55) · 8 years ago

Well,I usually try to avoid it, I only use it if its really for steemit related stuff,like my tutorial for making 3d logo of steemit, I don't know why people keep using wrong tags, like be creative people, or powerful people will start punish everyone that deserves it.

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themanualbot (70) · 8 years ago

That's why....

Im flagging those shits!

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johnster (46) · 8 years ago

I used the tag today... I'm sure I didn't abuse it.
So far I only used it once and many of my tags are full on.
I hope my tag #activism and #animalrescue are getting some more traction.
Feel free to check out my recent work and comment on what you like or not.
Hope I'm doing well?

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royalmacro (72) · 8 years ago

many many thanks to you ......... I had also this bad habit. But, from now I'll must stop adding #steemit for promoting my posts. hats ........... offffffffffffff !!!

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rampantdigitalis (45) · 8 years ago

Yes I agree this is incredibly annoying. I can feel the Bern.

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tinalover32 (54) · 8 years ago

The Bern is no more unfortunately.... Hilary has defeated him at the Democrat convention.

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cybercodetwins (54) · 8 years ago

Even bigger burn :)

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cybercodetwins (54) · 8 years ago

nice pun ;)

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magdalena (45) · 8 years ago

KEEP IT CLEAN PLEASE

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gaitan (55) · 8 years ago

Yes, of course. Steemit already got to that point were your article would be read, doesn't matter if you have 1 tag or 9.

The tags should describe the content and #steemit is describing the whole platform.

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tltran (59) · 8 years ago

Thanks for the heads up, I hadn't seen Dan's warning. Just removed it from my recent post so hopefully it will filter out.

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alexandre (64) · 8 years ago

Ok, i understad to

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themax37 (50) · 8 years ago

I posted about this not long ago. I totally agree. https://steemit.com/steemit/@themax37/steemit-circlejerk

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metrox (59) · 8 years ago

I've always thought that the #steemit tag was the the general feed on this site, I don't know why, was it the case 3 weeks ago when I joined ? I realize now that I am wrong, and I will stop using it in all my posts. Downvoting may be a bit harsh but educating is the way. I stand corrected Mr Bernie.

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steem-id (55) · 8 years ago

check

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firepower (79) · 8 years ago

Absolutely right! I raised the point couple of weeks ago citing that perhaps 1 tag or category per post is sufficient to group the article accurately. On wordpress you can add category and tags.

Hashtags could've gone in the 'tag' section and the topic tag could've been a category.

It would've been easier to curate content because this organizes it better. Now you'll see stories irrelevant to steemit being tagged with it.

But, some feel 5 categories is appropriate to tag content and hence it is the way it is. People don't follow without guidelines. Hopefully we can set some moving forward so it becomes easier to curate good content and people realize the importance of appropriately organizing their work.

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generation.easy (65) · 8 years ago

Stop the steemit circle jerk...

so I'm able to use that tag? New blog in the making to fit into that catagory

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berniesanders (77) · 8 years ago

Please do.

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cattyboy (50) · 8 years ago

Maybe there should be a limit to three categories instead of 5, less spam that way.

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berniesanders (77) · 8 years ago

Why not just one category?

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cybercodetwins (54) · 8 years ago

ouch. That hurts when you said one. I do hope they test that out quick for a couple days to see how that works out for people to get used to that.

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chaching (15) · 8 years ago

Because we are in a 3D world. One would be so linear. I do not think my computer has that much RAM.

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clevecross (59) · 8 years ago

Yes.... I said earlier none and user voted, but I have also thought same with a single tag, others allowed with no limit, but again user suggested and voted on

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cryptos (66) · 8 years ago (edited)

That is a nice point you are making about the #steemit tag getting abused too much.

What you need to also do however is also to point out what types of articles should include the #steemit tag as not to get treaded as abusers.

Here is a direct question, if I want to report a steemit bug should I use the #steemit tag or not when the post is directly related to steemit.com itself?

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steemitqa (64) · 8 years ago

does anyone know how reputation works ?

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bakingengineer (53) · 8 years ago

I too am tired of people using the #steemit hashtag so loosely. I have seen people using it in cases where the word steemit isn't even in the context of their post.

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jcweiss (37) · 8 years ago

question: what do you recommend authors do to get views for content instead?

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elyaque (70) · 8 years ago

make sense, i must admit i did it before, but just to help, for example i posted dans article when people asked about the reputation system, is this not allowed?

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lukestokes (75) · 8 years ago

What are your thoughts about stats relating to the Steemit ecosystem? Those, to me, fit.

But yeah, so much tag abuse going on. It's pretty frustrating. Some of it is ignorance, some of it stupidity, some of it malicious.

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sisterholics (64) · 8 years ago

Well said

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christoryan (57) · 8 years ago

yea sorry guys, I am a bit guilty of this and learning more and more as
I read.. Thanks for all the good advice!

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suprsape (16) · 8 years ago

Agreed, I have seen post that got so much exposure yet so pointless lol. At least for the most part we have genuine content creators.

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sykochica (70) · 8 years ago

Wouldn't the ability to do a filter on multiple tags/categories help on both ends? For example, clicking a few categories instead of just one?
steemit + philosophy + nature would give a better list of articles, and would somewhat dilute people just including the steemit tag, since it would be a smaller piece of the search parameter?

Just a thought. I love steemit and the new feed which makes it way easier to follow those I've connected with, but there still seem to be limitations to finding things I haven't gotten on my radar yet.

I'm sure something like this is on the dev's list already.

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moodledidoodledi (52) · 8 years ago (edited)

Will do this from now on, you have a good point...^^ Bernieiswatchingyou ;)

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mikemacintire (63) · 8 years ago (edited)

I had "steemit" on a photo I posted a few hours ago. I just removed it, and I'll make sure my tags are appropriate from now on. Thank you for bringing this up. @berniesanders

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kushfreeman (60) · 8 years ago

I was going to Upvote this but i decided not to because I don't have to.

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rambogoham (49) · 8 years ago

Tells people to stop using #steemit just to promote posts. Proceeds to use #steemit to promote post about not using #steemit....

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the-ivor (55) · 8 years ago

The use of tags as categories that can be 'abused' is not intuitively obvious to any new user. Maybe tags should be chosen from pulldown lists so that we can limit tag bloat?

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coinbitgold (63) · 8 years ago

Love the stopthesteemitcirclejerk
It's long but absolutely love it.

♥ #stopthesteemitcirclejerk

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tralawar (54) · 8 years ago

Sadly I am guilty of this. Do to the content of #steemit I thought it meant anything Steemit. I will refrain using it. Where is the warning from @dan? just curious.

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tralawar (54) · 8 years ago

I got some flak for promoting this post of yours. Do you mind if I promote your message in this way? My Post

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papa-pepper (80) · 8 years ago

Good point, and good reminder for us all. Thanks. I've got steemit on my mind, but I'll keep it off my post unless it's actually applicable.

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hdphotography (47) · 8 years ago

Correct!

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flandude (57) · 8 years ago

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timsaid (74) · 8 years ago

Thanks to the advise here. Just read it now and I won't use the tag for coming posts. Hope it's okay I used it at my latest fictional story, as we try to interact we the Steemit community. Would be great to have you feedback here whether you like it or not.

Greetings from Germany,
Tim Said

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timsaid (74) · 8 years ago

Hey @berniesanders , you had again some argument with the dollarvigilante? Well my story tells that :P

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juvyjabian (72) · 8 years ago

Good day sir @berniesanders, this woman needs support. She had been suffering from an unknown skin disease for 20 years, https://steemit.com/life/@juvyjabian/to-kind-hearted-steemit-this-woman-suffering-from-unknown-skin-disease-for-20-yrs

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https://steemit.com/art/@dararzhv/one-of-the-squad-s-most-manipulative-members-by-dararzhv

dispenser (4) · 8 years ago

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pierce-the-veil (42) · 8 years ago (edited)

@pierce-the-veil: Interesting @berniesanders, thanks for the heads up.

A little too late for my initial posts unfortunately. Attempts to remove the tag have proven unsucessful.

No more steemit tag from here on out.

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dvcoolster (50) · 8 years ago

Hey Bernie

I have made a Sci-Fi Graphic Novel over past 2 months and released it exclusively on Steemit. I am using the tag Steemit: http://bit.ly/2bntC9E
I thought of creating very high quality content exclusively for Steemit similar to what Netflix does with 'Stranger things', 'House of Cards'. My idea has been that it will go viral over the internet and several new users will flock to Steemit. Please have a look at the Novel, I have also subtly promoted Steemit inside the story, so I thought this should be really fun for people supporting Steemit. If you think it's a cool project, please support it. If you think there are things that I must correct like the tag or anything else, please let me know and I will correct them. My intention has only been to promote Steemit to several new people who are not aware of the platform. Great work with curation and I am supportive of the fact that tags must be put correctly for readers to understand and not just to promote posts.

Cheers
Dharamveer

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l0k1 (69) · 8 years ago

Is it irony that made you also create new hashtags for this post?

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l0k1 (69) · 8 years ago

Such an expert who has a whole two of his own posts is most surely in a position to judge others.

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caleballen (57) · 8 years ago

Whoa...the algorithm is clearly weighted toward the Steemit tag. I never even get views when I don't use it. Until they fix that, there is no incentive to stop using it. In my mind every post on Steemit can realistically qualify for that # merely because of the platform of the post.

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whatsup (75) · 8 years ago

Here is the number one reason people are writing articles and using the Steemit hashtag. http://steemanalytics.it/

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mandibil (68) · 8 years ago

I aggree. But still, the structure of the system, incentivises this behaviour.
One question though. Multiple word tags is not possible right, like on youtube? I ususually just truncate into a string, ie berniesanders ... is that a good idea?

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tee-em (61) · 8 years ago

Thank you for up voting my post yesterday! You kinda made my day :)

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future24 (75) · 8 years ago

Do you mean only the Hashtag, or the Tag generally?

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levycore (75) · 8 years ago

have u see my post is that more bad than Desi Foods in Karachi To Try

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birdiewonder (50) · 8 years ago

Congress
Agreed. Congress created lobbyists as a voice of the people. Steemit acts similar, for the betterment of all, by promoting topics people care about. LOVE YOU BERNIE XOXO -BW @birdiewonder

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bledarus (47) · 8 years ago

dont confuse the internet with congress and government and shit...

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bledarus (47) · 8 years ago

i disagree having a hashtag brings more attention to the internet world this site is open the more the hashtag the more attention it gets... take example twitter instagram and many others... hashtag is same thing as freedom of speech :) taking it away it would bring negativity to steemit

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chadcrypto (56) · 8 years ago

What does the #steemit hashtag mean? and what kind of content should use the tag? It sounds like it could be anything, since #steemit means you are steemingit in every post. hmmm interesting.

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clevecross (59) · 8 years ago

I would really like to see posts put up with no tags enabled by the author, and part of the curation reward is for users to suggest and vote on tags..... Be a neat way to do it, and exposure to a lot of content would happen also

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