The real problem with surveillance is not your right to anonymity

in surveillance •  7 years ago  (edited)


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Its becoming inevitable, for most of us alive today, not to be under surveillance, or the threat of surveillance much of the time. I expect most people on steemit are highly familiar with this concept. I see the cry for anonymity to be returned by many people, and I partly agree, but its already too late. What can we do about it? I attempt an answer.

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Im sitting at my computer now, typing this. My laptop has a camera, its next to me. My mobile phone has two cameras, my TV has another camera, if I look out of the window my neighbour has cameras which cover the entrance to/from my home. Audio is another problem, my phone and TV have microphones. Location services on Windows are activated by default, Android and Google locate me to within a few meters at all times of day. My home broadband IP address reveals my location, my web traffic can be intercepted and analysed, every webpage I visit is logged by the ISP and made available to the government. Even if I use a VPN or TOR, being unidentifiable is pretty hard, using these technologies probably makes me an even more interesting target, so they may be counter productive.

I have nothing to hide

Often when people unfamiliar with surveillance discuss it, they assume because they are 'good' then survelliance cant hurt them. They are very wrong, every one of us probably breaks laws every day without even realising it, and even if you never broke a law in your life, that does not make you innocent, you just didnt do anything yet. We have seen in the UK that law enforcement are relying more heavily on surveillance for many years, and there is a danger that our data may start ruling us into short-lists of 'probable guilt'; if someone is murdered and your data shows you were nearby at the time, should you be questioned by the police as a potential witness, are you even a suspect?
Major corporations are using our data to sell us stuff we didnt even know that we wanted, who knows how they are bending our opinions through targeted news and advertising?

Consider the problem

Surveillance means 'being watched from above', and most of the problem is that the surveillance is not visible to us at all times, nor do we know who is watching, why they are watching, or what they intend to do with the data, and even how securely they will be able to store the data.
What if you knew, exactly who was surveilling you at all times, what if you could see what had been recorded about you? Maybe even with a augmented reality device, you could be aware of every device watching and monitoring you at all times?

The problem with surveillance isnt your identity, its the identity and intentions of the watchers, if you start to dismantle their anonymity, then the playing field is levelled, you start to have power and control. Your anonymity as an individual then becomes less of an issue, you can know when you are and are not monitored, and adjust your behaviour accordingly, you can even use surveillance to your own personal defence and advantage.

Maybe you are in danger and you want your imminent attackers face to be seen on camera, you could stand in a place of known surveillance? What if when the police come to question you about your potential as a witness or suspect in that murder you walked past, you recorded the interview? Maybe when that ad for shoes comes up, you can see that it was based on data gathered about your habits?

So anonymity isnt needed, understanding exactly when and how you are surveilled is

If you live in a small community, you have no anonymity anyway, most people probably know your business through gossip. So others knowing who you are or what you do isnt really a human right, as most humans lived without this until the last few decades when local village communities started to become less prevalent and people started living in big cities. In those small communities though, you knew who the gossip was and you could ensure certain things about your life didnt get known by them, and therefore could not be used against you.

Maybe Im wrong, thats cool, let me know.

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Unfortunately real anonymity is a thing of the past. And even when we are off the grid these algos can probably predict what we are up to either due to our history or data from other friends. This is something we must come in terms with. The real funny thing is the people complaining about anonymity only to check in themselves "in the toilet, food was bad" moments later or something...

PS spelling error in tags

No, the "Nothing to hide" mentality is completely wrong. Privacy is privacy and you have a right to it. If you are in the USA, it's called the 4th Amendment.

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-director-covers-webcam-2016-9

The former head of the FBI said, "Smarter people than I cover their webcams with a piece of tape." and guess what? I felt extremely vindicated when I read that, because I even cover up my phone cams. I don't do smart TVs and I refuse to be involved with the Internet of Things.

In the state where I live, recording audio without the other persons knowledge and permission is a crime.

one more question: WHO defines 'Surveillance' as "watch from above"? It means to watch closely, scrutinize.

Anonymity isn't the issue, it's Privacy. And you can maintain anonymity at a high level, hackers do it all the time, unless every one of them is a state agent.

Yes, you are wrong. However, you bring up some good points. The anonymity of the people watching is important but unmasking them is not the complete answer. It is only part of the solution.

The real problem is the asymmetry in the power of the watched and the watching. The watching (governments and corporations) have vastly more power in the form of money and organization. They are not the town gossip of the past who was roughly as powerful as everyone else. Unmasking them is a good start but we still need to place controls on what they can see in the first place.

I did enjoy your article and I did upvote it. I'd love to debate this further.

Well I do see some of your point, however I think if we made surveillance truly transparent, then large private/govenmental organisations would have to behave very differently because their actions would not be able to be hidden.
The power asymmetry would be significantly reduced, if not nullified altogether; if enough people dis-agree with how things are being done, political pressure will force changes.
This assumes people care enough, which may be the Achilles heel of my statements; sad but true :)

OK, looks like the beginning of an interesting exchange here. I'm going to retract my earlier conclusion that you were wrong. I understood what you were saying as, expose the watchers but just let them watch. That I disagree with. Now, I see what you're saying is expose the watchers and use that as a means to garner political support to enact change. That is not exactly how I would go about doing things but that is a respectable strategy.

Personally, I support the full out berserker attack strategy on all fronts. Expose the watchers, build a political platform to force change (people need a place to go when they are ready, otherwise they may fragment and become ineffective), and finally fight them technically right now. Unlike the communications technologies of the past, computer/internet tech is capable of protecting itself with encryption that is easy to implement and use. We don't need a political solution right away, we can fix this problem ourselves.

As to your last statement, I think people do care, but right now it is hard for people to see anything that they can do that will be effective. That is why I joined Steemit. I want to educate people on privacy issues and let them know that there is something to do that can be effective.

Before I hit the post button, I just want to say that I am finishing up a post for my blog on the history of communications privacy. It covers pre-revolutionary war law to the present and explains how we arrived at this point and explains how the logic of the laws fit together or sometimes how they don't fit together. Hope to get it posted tomorrow. Everyone should take a look at it.

There is no single best way to do anything, different approaches have better chances of success.

Agreed - who watches the watchmen?

With transparent surveillance, we all watch the watchmen

Oh, one other thing, how do you propose that we watch the watchmen? Technological solution? Legislative? or something else?

Technological must come first. Imagine a smartphone app or smart glasses that literally allows you to see every device that is watching or listening to you, for cameras you see the range of the device and microphones too, you now have the power of a real time 3d map of surveillance right before your eyes. Public collective tagging of the owners of such devices, can start to build a map of who is listening or viewing what.
Once this starts to become widely known about, people may start natively avoiding such areas, which would reduce the value of the data gathered. If surveillance is scaled up to combat this, then a public backlash is possible (though not guaranteed) and a poliical/legislative change may occur.
In summary if people realised just how monitored every move they make really was, a change would probably come.

I like the public tagging idea. That could be a website like wikimapia where zones of surveillance are tagged instead of landmarks. Only problem is the cameras that are hidden.

Knowing you are being watched, followed, stalked, creates a terror inside of you. And this is made even worse by not know who it is; what their plans are; what their intentions are. This stress has been shown to shorten people's lives and make them more irrational then usual.

Of course, you can just learn to ignore it all. Sorta...

But, like you said, what really needs to be known is who, and what their plans are. Currently it is a group of thugs that want to take more of your money and make sure that you aren't planning to go after the thugs.

Being surveilled by a group of thugs that ARE out to get you is not tolerable and needs to stop. Either by the surveillance stopping, or the thugs being after everyone stopping.

As an example, surveillance in London has been massively increased. And has it increased safety? Not really. Has it increased people getting fined for stupid shit? YES.


I also know a person who takes this to the next level. He knows he is being surveilled, so he has his phone record his locations to a private server. He records important meetings and interactions (including all sexual encounters), again loaded to a private server.

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Thank you for the good read. You bring up good points to discuss. If you are interested in the philosophy of privacy I can recommend reading Hanna Arendt. I do not agree with all her observations but they point out some important things.

Interesting article. I heard a good quote one time (can't seem to find it) basically summarizing the real purpose of the law to keep citizens in check through fear of breaking the law. Let's look at jay walking for a second - most people that would "jay walk" would not be considered criminals, but the way the law works if you break one law you are now a "law breaker" (to varying degrees). The more mundane of laws you can create, the more incidental "law breakers" you can and now the law makers have a looser criteria and reasoning with which they can imprison more people (and therefore control them).

Yes and so I advocate for knowing exactly when you can be observed and when you can not be observed. Breaking the law is not the issue for minor infractions, look at speed cameras on roads as an example. The idea of speed cameras is not to catch criminals, but to have drivers slow down in accident prone areas; compliance through knowledge of observance. If we make it clear who is watching/listening/monitoring and when/how, we can comply.
Ultimately if society deems that we are overly-watched, then society will react to remove the surveillance to an acceptable level.

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