About a month ago, I stumbled across an Alpha demo of Synereo and put a post up about it. This evening I saw a second demo video go up. Apparently there is a Synereo Conference in Vancouver and it was demo'd there. I thought I'd do a second write up on the bits I found interesting in the video. The video is 50 minutes long and I don't plan to spend too much time writing on this, so I'll just jot down some thoughts as I watch. The video is embedded at the end of this post.
Privacy
(18 min mark)
User can decide which other users they want to connect with. They can severe node connections as and when they want. 'It is a secure connection and the data is kept private.'
It sounds to me like a private social network. Where primarily I only connect with people on an invitation basis. I'm guessing they mean private within the network and extended network.
As I understand it Alice can share Bob's post with Eve, where Eve is connected to Alice but is not connected to Bob. However Chris who not connected to any of the three will not see Bob's post.
Steemit by contrast allows all users to view, comment and follow all posts from other users. It would be interesting to see if Steemit could offer a 'private posting' option. That could only be shared via a connected network. With Authors should be able to decide which posts are for public and which posts are for private consumption. How would works in terms of the blockchain/ encryption, I'm not sure. Also it's questionable whether such private posts should attract rewards, if they are encrypted.
Configurable Feeds
(21 min mark approx)
Synereo has a notion of configurable feeds.
From what I understand as a user I could choose to create a feed of @cryptogee with the tag 'spotlight'. And only see @cryptogee's spotlight tag whenever I view that feed.
Steemit by contrast only has one feed of people I follow. I think being able to create multiple customisable feeds would be a fantastic addition to the Steemit eco-system. I'd imagine this is something that can be done via an app and does not necessary need to be done by the core Steemit Team?
Ampification (promotion)
(24 min mark approx)
From what I understand, users can 'ampify' (promote) posts to people in their network. And a portion of the 'amps' paid flows back to the author/ curators upstream.
From previous research, my understanding was that people downstream (i.e. those who are recieving the posts) also recieve a portion of the amps. Effectively paying people for their attention ('attention economy').
However from this demo, it seems this aspect of how the ampification will work is still being worked out. I'll be watching with interest to see how this plays out. After all 'how the money works' will be a critical component to the Synereo platform.
What seems clear to me (although I'm open to be corrected) is that the blockchain isn't paying people to produce content through newly minted Amps. This 'attention economy' needs people with a vested interest in promoting a particular piece of content to work.
I fail to see who will want to ampify my content, unless I was shilling (directly or indirectly) for them. Unless the thinking is that I would want to pay to promote MY OWN content to my own network, in the hope that they in turn would promote it to their network? Personally I think there is a lot to figure out on the monetisation of content front.
Also, I'm not sure if I can ampify beyond my immediate network and into my friends network. Can I go further and ampify into their friends, friends network?
Tags & accessing content
(30 min)
There is an interesting conversation around tags and accessing content. Whilst I didn't fully understand it, it did simulate some interesting thoughts in my mind.
- there is a challenge for both Steemit and Synereo to enable users to dig for content/ related content and group content together.
- Synereo has a challegne that if I search for content I'm somewhat limited in my such by my connection and tags. Does this not limit the content I can access, thus my access to knowledge and information?
- I like the Synereo idea of being me being able to tag content (group content by tags) and send those tags around to my network. It would be great if such functionality was available on Steemit. After its first 24 hours content is pretty much toast on Steemit. Personalised tagging and sharing those tags amongst friends or followers could be a way to keep good content alive. For example, for someone like @donkeypong to tag a bunch of posts 'Steemit 101' and anyone following him to be able to visit that tag and see a stream of posts relevant to learning the basics about Steemit would be extremely valuable.
REO - Relative Reputation Score
(33 min mark approx)
Synereo allows users to see a relative reputation score amongst people that engage with my content.
This is different to Steemit that has a global reputation score throughout the community.
I like the global reputation score Steemit has better. Also apps like steemvp have been developed that can give Steemit users a picture of who is most engaged with their content. I'm sure other apps will be developed (e.g. ones that show comment engagement etc.) overtime.
Replies & Channels
(34 min mark approx)
Someone asked about creating logical connections between posts and replies. The response seemed interesting however it would have been more useful to have seen a demo of what it looked like to get a better handle.
Demo of Docker
(36 min mark approx)
The rest of the demo consisted largely of techie stuff.... I do hope none techie creative people can easily roadtest Synereo during the alpha phase. They may find that people less closely connected to the project have different viewpoints on the utility or otherwise of some of the functionality.
Second impressions
This is the second demo I've seen of Synereo.
I like privacy aspect and a web of network connections.
I like the configurable feeds part.
I'm not close to understanding how the money works. I look at things simply. What's the pitch to people that want to monetise their content? So far it sounds like this; come to Synereo, build your network, post content that people in your network would want to pay to promote. Unfortunately as much as I have a network of people that think I'm a great guy, would has interesting things to say... I don't know anyone that would dip there hand in their pocket and "sugar-daddy' me to financial freedom. I think (again this is second impression, and I'm open to be swayed otherwise) that Steemit is streets ahead in terms of having an incentive structure that rewards and incentivises quality content creation.
I like the idea of tags and people using tags to group and share content. It would be good to see this is action.
It feels like the alpha will be pre-public consumption and more geared towards devs.
It would be good to see how the reputation scores, replies/ comments and channels work in practice.
I would have liked to have seen the system in action more. I hope Synereo realise that, with their being a new wave of blockchain social media sites, there will be eyes from outside of their community on what they are doing. With all the long hangout/ conference videos they are putting out, it would be useful to have tldr bitesize communications to their potential user base. Synereo may suffer from a similar challenge to Steemit in translating these wonderful technical advancements into simple to absorb messages to 'Joe and 'Jane' public (like me!!).
What do you think?
Here is the video,
Would be great to hear your take on what Synereo brings to the party...
Can't see the video!
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Hmm.. they must have changed the permissions on the video, which is a pity. It was put up by the Synereo Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU5CBbxAeFYnodf32w3ahOQ/videos) maybe they will release it again at some point.
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The comcept of closed networks of people sharing content and gaining rep is an intriguing one. I guess the proof will be in the pudding when it's released but it's great you could give us some insight before it's first release.
As you mentioned, I hope Steemit can take the positives of the platform and implement them into Steemit. I love Steemit and still think it has "first move" advantage in the market right now which is a great place to be.
Interesting times ahead, Nanzo...
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Interesting times indeed...
From the demo the Relative Reputation Score appears to be nothing more than telling 'Alice' how engaged her connections are with her, relative to each other. I like the way Steemit's Reputation system works.
I think being first to market and allowing content providers to effectively "mine" for rewards gives Steemit a huge advantage.
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ooo I like the configurable feeds, that sounds like a nice little feature that could possibly maybe potentially be implemented on steemit. I'm all for that.
I also like the reputation on both steemit and syereo, I think it would be pretty cool to have an international reputation on steemit as well as individual ones between you and the people you've interacted with. I think it would be a great way for authors to see who is interacting with their content on a regular basis.
Awesome update which I very my appreciate, i'm also with you hoping they allow alpha testing to be done by none techie people, if not there's always the beta. Either way we shall see, steemit may have just given birth to an entirely new style of social media, and we all know what happens to old technology when a better version comes out.
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Seems interesting and slick design, actually went through the video. But not tempting to me, tbh. It's just missing the x-factor why someone should join.
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Configurable feeds is something I have long wanted (I call them streems). The design I was thinking of was to have a whitelist of accounts and tags (or alternatively ALL which accepts every post) which form the initial filter of which posts to select, and then a blacklist of accounts and tags which determine which of those selected posts to filter out because they match the blacklist. The blacklist may also filter on some metadata such as standard settings in the JSON metadata (explicit content rating, content's primary language setting) and a minimum accepted value for it's
net_rshares
. In addition the feed defines the sort metric (new, hot, trending, promoted, active, etc.) to use to rank the posts within the resulting feed. Furthermore, the feed may specify a list of moderator accounts whose moderation recommendations are respected when further filtering the results and how they should be displayed. These streems would be local to the client, but their definition could be serialized in a standard way into some Base58-encoded string and they could be shared between clients and between users easily (and further editing of that streem would be allowed match the recipient's wishes before being included into their client's local UI).Significant technical changes would be needed to realize the above. While this is not a hardforking change, it would be necessary to make changes to the database API in steemd nodes so that the client has a usable API to dynamically construct such feeds. There would also be a lot of work required on the client-side. In the implementation I am envisioning, the client would handle filtering out posts from the multiple feeds (sorted by the same sort metric) it requests from the steemd node based on the blacklist and on duplicates (although some of the blacklist filtering could be done on the steemd end). It would also be responsible for merging the various feeds into a single feed that preserves the desired sort order. I think I will begin working on this project next.
Having private (within your network) posts and discussions (which many social networks do support) is interesting. Steem is mostly designed for public content (with the exception of the planned private end-to-end encrypted messaging feature between users), but I don't see why the existing blockchain couldn't be used to build a more private post sharing feature. Encryption could be used to restrict access to the content of the discussions to only those who are shared the private keys pertaining to that discussion.
However, there are important caveats to remember. The metadata of who is communicating with who as well as the time at which they are communicating and the size of the content would be public to all. Furthermore, as always, anyone who has access to the private content can secretly (as in without the knowledge given to those who were granted legitimate access that access to their discussions was expanded) share access to anyone they want (including making it public to the world without revealing who the leaker was). This is no different than any other private social network (everyone can always take screenshots and share it with anyone), but it is important to know that in the case of such a service built on the Steem blockchain, the people who gain access (legitimately or not) to the private content can (cryptographically) know it was truly written by the author and not falsified (assuming the author's posting key wasn't compromised). So you don't get plausible deniability and aren't able to make the excuse that leaker is a liar who falsified the leaked data.
Finally, in my opinion, the UX should be designed so that all private discussions cannot receive payouts. It should still be possible for users to express their opinions on posts/comments with upvotes, downvotes, flags, +1s, thumbs up/down, emojis, whatever, (and those opinions could potentially even influence the feeds of their friends) but these submitted opinions would not use up their voting power and would not contribute to any payout on the posts/comments. I think only public content that all stakeholders have the potential to review should be eligible for payouts from the system (obviously the system can't stop a user from encrypting their entire post content before posting it to Steem right now, but I would expect many people would flag it if some accounts upvoted such a post that is useless to the community). Users can of course be free to tip the author of private posts from their own pocket as much as they wish, and the UI could be designed to make that easy for both private and public posts/comments.
I'm also waiting to see how exactly Synereo's design will work in practice with regards to the economics, AMPS, attention economy, REO, and more. Their whitepaper wasn't as helpful as I was hoping it would be. I have some concerns with regards to REO and also potential gaming of the attention economy. And frankly, the attention economy just doesn't seem all that interesting compared to the economics behind Steem.
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Thanks for your insight.
I look forward to seeing what comes out of your work on configurable feeds. Do you envision people being able to make multiple feeds for themselves?
I agree with your observations on private discussions & exclusion from payouts. Right now steemit.chat seems to be a quasi private chat for Steemit. It's whether there is an appetite to bring that to Steemit I guess. I think a legitimate question would be what's the benefit of moving chat to Steemit, if there will be no payments associated with private discussions?
I think Synereo 's economic model will ultimately be the making or breaking of it. Most of the rest of the stuff they're offering can be pretty much obtained by using off-blockchain software.
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Great breakdown, I have been loosely following the synereo launch stuff for a while just because I saw someone post about it, and I thought Steemit was the only thing of it's kind. I haven't looked too closely because like you I feel like the launch will be way geared towards techie devs (which I'm not) and I won't understand how to use it. I feel like Steemit has a really really great start, and I like that a noob like me was able to just jump into it and become part of the cryptocurrency world.
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Thanks for the summary!
@cus-knee (The Old Dog)
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I joined Synereo discussion and I like the features. Gravatar works with Synereo and I earned some badges and leveled as Basic user :)
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