Powering Stuff *Directly* From Solar Panels Feels Like Magic!

in technology •  6 years ago  (edited)

Alright, I'll give you that a solar powered LED lamp with no energy storage is pointless. Still, witnessing light turned into electricity and then back into light is pretty fuckin neato. There's something about the immediacy of catching sunshine and turning it directly into useful work that thrills me.

The framerate of the camera on my phone makes this fan look like it's spinning slowly. Rest assured it was in fact running at full speed. It's a testament to the miraculous efficiency of electric motors that they can do so much with so little. The panel is advertised as 7 watt after all, but only reliably outputs about 1 watt.

Plenty of power for this fly trap, which consumes only 40ma at 5 volts. The panel produces ~280 ma at 5 volts, or 7 times as much as the trap requires. The set of USB appliances which consume sufficiently little energy to be powered this way isn't very diverse, but you'd be surprised what it includes.

As it turns out, there's a few vehicular applications where direct solar power works fine. Boats are one example as they use little energy to move, relative to their mass. Their surface area is also often ample, so there's plenty of room for panels:

Airships have many of the same qualities: They need a fairly small amount of energy to move through the air relative to their mass. This makes them suitable for direct solar power as well:

There's also been a directly solar powered RC car, the Tamiya Solar Eagle. It does have a single capacitor to keep it going through shadows, or if a cloud crosses the sun, but besides that it runs directly off the panels:

Why isn't this more common? Sunlight has a fixed energy density of 1 kilowatt per square meter of surface that it strikes. That's how much energy we could get from a 1 meter by 1 meter solar panel if it was 100% efficient. However the solar panels available to the public today max out at 22.5%, though the cheap ones can be as little as 15-17% efficient.

So, that's 225 watts for every square meter of solar panel, best case scenario. That's about 25 watts short of being able to power the weakest electric bicycle motors available today. As you might imagine, powering a car this way is pretty difficult unless the car is extraordinarily lightweight and aerodynamic, as well as being totally covered in the most efficient solar cells on the market.

If you're interested in that topic, I wrote about solar powered electric cars here.


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@alexbeyman,
Yeah feel like a magic! Coz I think I can use it to power up my phone battery pack! Otherwise this is too much annoying now :/

Cheers~

We need more magic !

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Powering with the help of a solar panel is a win win for you, obviously feels awesome.
What is free is always awesome, generate power with a little investment.

~280 amps at 5 volts??? O.o

Pretty sure that should be milli-amps, otherwise you're generating a ludicrous amount of power from that panel. :-)

Otherwise, cool info. There is power (ha-ha) in transforming one form of energy into another at will, although there will always be at least some parasitic loss in that process from a mechanical/electronic device to do so.

Imagine if we could build solar panels that approach the efficiency of a tree leaf? That would be something.

You're right, good catch. Want one of these panels to attach to your backpack? I have a bunch of them knocking around.

Whoo-hoo! You are far more resourceful than I at putting tech like that to meaningful work, but if you genuinely have a panel you're not using (can it be so???) I'll happily put it to use!

Come over whenever. I have 3 of them and was trying to tie them together into a single array using Y cables, but the app I used to measure their output indicated it wasn't working. I also don't have much use for smaller panels now that I have the big 102 watt array.

Good topic to debate, alternative energy must be re-impelled. It is not easy but I feel that time passes and the real effect is not tangible. It is not a criticism, that is a personal analysis.

It is nuts it isn't a requirement in all new buildings to have some form of solar energy use.

Anyone who thinks any blockchain, Bitcoin or otherwise requires a crapton of electric energy that needs to be paid for forgets the free value of the sun to power all this.

It actually is a requirement in some places for all new buildings to have solar panels. California passed a law to that effect recently.

I love reading this, hope it spreads.



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I agree with the use of alternative energy. We are slowly killing the planet; perhaps we are demanding more from it than it can give. It would be interesting, certainly, if part of the curriculum at any level of education, to inculcate as a subject the use of alternative, clean and low-cost energy. Let us save the planet so that our children, grandchildren and their children can enjoy a safe and comfortable home.

Wawz, an airplain on solarpanels? That's awesome!

We just need better batteries and everything will be solar

Existing lithium batteries are technologically good enough already, they just need to become cheaper.

Very nice writeup! I have a love of solar power. One day I will be finishing my solar setup for our 36 foot camper. I have only been planning it for almost 3 years now...

@ganjafarmer is in the process of adding a solar panel and battery setup to his van right now, if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps you two should put your heads together.

I like where technology is headed an the fact thay it keeps getting beautiful each and everyday, so panels are great tools and i believe in the future more great things will be done using solar energy

A lot from solar system from this post ain't believe before that it is as this safe to have and maintain solar system, aside, it's a save means to have.

That's my dream to have an electric boat! man, I got to get off this rat race and go live on a lake or river.

Do you watch Jamie Mantzel's Youtube videos? He moved his family to Panama in a solar powered houseboat, and has been building a concrete fortress on a small island he bought. The solar boat video in this article is of his smaller workhorse vessel, the Shark Slicer. He does everything entirely using solar power.

now I do! this guy is living life to the fullest. Thanks for the recommendation

  ·  6 years ago (edited)Reveal Comment

I'm sure you've seen the solar roof shingles from Tesla after they bought solar city, I thought that was pretty neat. What's your take on those?

They are much, much more expensive than it was initially suggested they would be. You get the same capacity for way less money just putting regular panels up.

Is that possible to power a airplane only through solar enrgy? it requires a lot of energy to fly an airplane , for powering a plane a huge solar panel is needed but still, is that even be possible in future?

If it is extremely lightweight, slow moving, and has enormous wings:

I think that it's the best source of power and it will never get exhausted.
Why doesn't every building have solar panels to extract power energy ?

The cost of the panels. They are cheaper than ever, but it takes a lot of them to power a building. Of course they save money in the long run, but many business owners are short sighted and only consider the upfront expense of the panels.

That's a valid point.
They should know that it will save them lots of money in the long run.

Wow nice electric technology , you really tallented . I agree with you the use of alternative energy .

Thanks for sharing @alexbeyman
Upvote you .

  ·  6 years ago Reveal Comment

Thank you so much for sharing a valuable and important post

its a good technology for humanity.

What a great invention! It will solve the loadsheding in our country. Because electricity is not available in our country. How much will it cost?

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Seems to me with the advent of solar that with a car they should also be able to incorporate some wind generating capabilities. A small ram scoop area that would channel the wind to drive a small turbine, to charge supplemental batteries., and what is wrong with using all the rotating parts of a vehicle to generate electricity. Drive shafts go round and round, wheels go round and round, to generate electricity you need basically a coil moving through a magnetic field. Windmills go round and round. Cars have lots of things that go round and round, and lots of places to put things that go round and round from wind.

On the off chance you're being serious, the problem with putting wind turbines on cars is that they add drag. The drag from the turbine costs more energy to overcome than it can generate, otherwise you'd have invented a perpetual motion machine.

Likewise with the suggestion that you use the rotating portions of the drivetrain to spin an alternator. Gas cars do this only because they need electricity to keep the starter battery charged. It still takes kinetic energy to spin the alternator, which consumes an amount of gas the energy equivalent of which is greater than what the alternator puts out.

Now, regen braking is sort of like what you're discussing. But it is only used to turn the car's momentum back into electricity when you want to bring the car to a stop anyway. That's energy that would otherwise be wasted, converted into heat by the friction of the brake pads.

If you had regen on not just while braking but all the time during driving, it would decrease the range, because it takes more energy to spin the alternator than you get back from it. Otherwise, again, it would be a perpetual motion machine.

I am surprised to hear such questions from you, as I remember you being more knowledgeable about engineering principles than that.

I really do not have much knowledge of engineering principles. I know that turbines do add drag and that with a gas vehicle would not be efficient, but when solar and electricity are use even a small wind driven generator, it seems to me, could be used to provide power to the non propulsion systems, such as the radio, the headlights, brake lights, etcetera, I remember as a kid a small clip down on the bike wheel for running the headlight on my tenspeed, not a big generator, but enough to run the light.

Because the bicycle was muscle powered. The energy generated that way is not free, it comes from your body. Adding a wind turbine to an electric car, even to power non-propulsion systems, is pointless since it costs energy from the car's propulsion battery to move the car in order to make the turbine spin. The energy still ultimately comes from the main battery, you've just added an unnecessary conversion step in between. It would be less wasteful just to power all that stuff from the main battery, which is why that's how all electric cars do it.

Solar is a different story though and makes good sense. There exist electric cars with solar roofs for powering a heat pump, which keeps the temperature inside the car from getting too high when it's left parked outside in bright sunlight.