RE: What Muslims Believe

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What Muslims Believe

in terrorism •  8 years ago  (edited)

Fantastic article. Upvoted and resteemed. But, I'd like to give my 2 cents.

Bible is not one book by one author. It is multiple books by multiple authors.

Deuteronomy is the fifth book of Torah, a Hebrew bible, and the Old Testament, which is based on Hebrew bible.

Christianity is a religion based on teachings of Jesus Christ, whose story is told in the New Testament.

So, Deuteronomy is not supposed to apply to Christians. The only words Christians are supposed to follow are the words of Christ. Those nasty passages that you quoted are not told by Jesus, and those nice are.

Whenever I discuss religion with my atheist friends, who claim religion is bad, poisons everything blah blah, I asked them this question:"Is there anything wrong about the teachings of Christ?" They usual response is:"No, Jesus is fine, his followers are not."

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Actually, His true followers are those who obey Jesus. Unfortunately, most of us claiming to be Christians do not fall into that category and we give true Christians a bad name.

Jesus, however, IS the God of the Old Testament as well, so we cannot simply dismiss the Old Testament as inapplicable. The fact of the matter is that God often decides to weed his garden. This is not popular with weeds, but it is God's right as the gardener to do so.

True, in this phase of History, we have Jesus' command to love our enemies as part of a new Covenant with his people. But that does not mean that in prior times God did not command that many weeds be pulled up by the roots. This often includes His own disobedient people. We all start out as weeds.

I can understand why people who believe that all religions are the mere inventions of men would try to draw a moral equivalence between God's revealed Truth and all the counterfeits.

The difference is that God has the right to weed His garden and the rest of us don't.

There is more than one form of christianity. Gnostic christians, for example, do not believe the god from the Old Testament is the same as the New Testament. Personally, I ascribe to the Gnostic beliefs, so your comment would not hold true to me.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

My comments were for Christianity defined as "what it says in the Bible."
Teaching anything that is not consistent with that is simply the inventions of men.
I agree that there are many such spin-offs where people choose not to believe what God's prophets and apostles wrote down for us.

Exactly.
I don't claim Old Testament is inapplicable. I believe that the words of Jesus from the New Testament have more weight than anything else in the Bible. If the Deuteronomy says we should burn the whole town if there is a non-believer in it, but Jesus says to love our enemies, Christians are supposed to obey latter.

That's a fair statement. Jesus did a lot to help us understand the Scriptures that already existed at the time. He showed us how to love our enemies, even to the point of dying for them. But He is God, and we should not take Him for granted. He doesn't hesitate to discipline His children and decimate his detractors.

Well said @stan.

Except that Jesus himself said that all the stuff in the Old Testament is still relevant, see Matthew 5:17-19:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one dot or one mark will pass from the law until all be fulfilled. 19 Whoever, therefore, breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 23:

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you.

Of course it's relevant. Jesus himself quotes last 5 Commandments: Mt 19:16-19

"And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." He *said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

The Old Testament = old covenant and The New Testament = new covenant. It's not that the Old Testament doesn't apply (I don't know of many Christians who would say the 10 Commandments don't apply for instance) but where there is disagreement between the old and the new, the new takes precedence. It's not quite that simple I suppose but to me it's a good starting point in terms of how to think of it.

Exactly my thoughts.

But to be fair and reinforce the point of the article, are you anywhere near this fluent in what most Muslims believe about their holy texts? Maybe there are similar caveats.