Thievery! - compositing old images into new ones

katharsisdrill (71) in thievery • 8 years ago (edited)

In my previous post I had some drawings that cannibalised old images. A nice way to both capture a somewhat antique fell and save some work :)

The first on was built on at Scottish engraving with a very fine thunderstorm heaven and a somewhat less well made foreground.

Dunoon Castle Drawn by W.Brown & engraved by W.Miller

On top of that I put an exotic fantasy city.

And the result

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On the other image I used a much more subtle approach, and one that did not steal quite as much of the original artist's work. I made a drawing and the coloured it by using bits and pieces of a Hiroshige woodcut. The large areas was cut directly and but together, while the details was ink-stamped.

The woodcut by Hiroshige - Kanbara: Night Snow, from the series Fifty-three Stations of the Tôkaidô Road

This is my drawing

And the stolen shading - as you can see I used some of the trees directly.

And the finished result

I have been at this questionable praxis before. Here is a stolen locomotive:

From this old post

thievery art lending drawing krita

8 years ago by katharsisdrill (71)

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ocrdu (71) · 8 years ago

If you call it a "tribute", is it still stealing? Anyway, let me know if you need a photo of something to steal from.

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cryplectibles (69) · 8 years ago

In hip hop, it's sometimes called sampling.

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katharsisdrill (71) · 8 years ago

You could call this sampling too - a lot of fine art has been made this way. Max Ernst for example.

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katharsisdrill (71) · 8 years ago

Thanks, that's generous :) and well, this has always been a difficult topic. Calling it a tribute will possibly give you a bit of pardon... In this case I thought it all right as they were used for a private roleplaying game (not private anymore, I know) and the artists are long dead together with the copyright.

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ocrdu (71) · 8 years ago

Yes, there are a great many centuries-old drawings and etches you could use.

BTW this made me think of these two illustrations, a view of the town where my ancestors lived around 1600, and one of the nearby castle:

That first one even goes a little way towards your drawing style.

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katharsisdrill (71) · 8 years ago

The first on is an engraving, a method I really like and has actually made a few pieces in (which is very seldom among artists and mostly done in a collaboration between an artists and a specialised craftsman). It is made by cutting the cobberplate with a steel Burin (Like these)

The second one is an ink-wash study - and a very fine one too. Do you own them or just found them on the internet??

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ocrdu (71) · 8 years ago (edited)

I scanned them from old books I got my hands on. The first one looked like an original print on a separate page, the second one like a reproduction, maybe a litho, not sure.

I thought the first one was an etching, but I take your word for its being an engraving 8-).

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katharsisdrill (71) · 8 years ago

The techniques are very similar and the actual printing is the same, but engravings tend to be a bit more stiff in the expression as the cutting in a hard surface makes it harder to make quirky lines. So the horisontal lines in the sky is a sign that it is engraving. Engraving tend to be more planned with clever ways of crosshatching while etchings look very much like line-drawings and making them is just like drawing with a very thin line.

Rembrandt preferred the much more organic lines of etchings, while engravings where the preferred media for mass-produced images because the triangular cut were more durable than the square etched ones.