Reward the behavior you want to see - It’s really that simple

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Many times a week in discussions about Steem and how to improve aspects here, we say We need to reward the behavior we want to see.

It’s a simple idea, but one we seem to miss here.

Now I’m a parent, and part of raising a tiny human is to teach them what is appropriate and what is not. Now sure, each parent might have different idea of what things are appropriate and what things are not.

For example, some parents may think it’s totally acceptable to allow their children to act like complete and utter assholes.

They may think it’s appropriate for their child to throw fits in public, scream and yell in a restaurant or generally be disrespectful of others. Those same parents are normally the ones who call their children brats and say I just can’t control them.

Then you have other parents who find that behavior unacceptable, and therefore they ensure it does not happen, by you know.. being a parent and teaching their children what is and what is not acceptable.

One simple way of doing this, is rewarding the behavior you want to see.

Now using the word “rewarding” may be confusing, as it’s also means showing negative consequences to the behavior you do not want to see.

Children learn from a young age what is wrong and right, by the example their parents set.

Act INAPPROPRIATELY - NEGATIVE consequence

Act APPROPRIATELY - POSTIVE consequence


It’s really that simple..

set an example of what you want to see and have consequences.

This is used not only in parenting of course, but throughout the workforce, with animals, etc. It’s a tried and true method of getting an end result you want.


So why is that so lost here?

Many discuss and complain about the way people behave here, but we reward that behavior constantly. Why would they not act that way?

We reward the behavior we want to see.

Clearly this is a diverse community and just like with parenting, we all may have different ideas of what is acceptable.

The beauty is that we each have a choice in that and can use our stake how we wish.

Common ground

But we seem to generally agree on some of the negative behavior we see as “inappropriate” or at least we agree on the overall negative impacts some of the behavior has on the ecosystem.

And we can all agree that we want the value of STEEM to increase, right?

The truth is, we have set a bad example.

We reward people with our upvotes, comments, etc for minimal effort (whether through content or other contributions) and then it could be argued that we aren’t actively rewarding those who are truly adding value.

We have set the example for ourselves.

It is not beneficial for individuals to work hard here, it is not beneficial for individuals to contribute positively to the ecosystem. As they could receive the same reward for doing minimal contribution .. so why would they work harder or contribute more?

If we upvote an individual for one photo and a few sentences, an individual who’s only contribution to the ecosystem is that photo.. and a person who has a history of jumping ship to whatever new project looks shiny and new (then coming back and getting upvoted again). Can we really be surprised when they do it again?

If we see large stakeholders shitting all over this place with no consequences whatsoever, can we be surprised that this becomes the new norm?

The smaller accounts now follow that lead and guess what, we reward them for it.

While we have individuals actively contributing through many aspects, that we are not rewarded.

For the record, contributing to the ecosystem does not just mean making content btw. Just so we are very clear on that.

We are rewarding the behavior we want to see, and that’s why it is the way it is.

We have now evolved into a community where we have “contributors” that have “dumbed down” what they do, as they realized that the reward did not match the effort.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe anyone is entitled to anything here.. and quite frankly many here have somehow decided that they very much deserve those rewards whether they contribute or not, and they act accordingly.

But at the end of the day, we reward the behavior we want to see. And we have rewarded them for their negative behavior, we have set examples of what behavior we want to see, simply by what we reward.. and what we let go unchecked.

There is a reason some kids always act like jerks, it’s because they are allowed to. They get the reward they want by acting like that, whether it is attention or just the fact that there has never been a negative consequence to those actions. How could they possibly be expected to act any differently?

Same goes for the community here ...

We reward the behavior we want to see.

Only when we change that, will the behaviors change.

What do we want to see?

So, what behavior do we want to see here? Behavior that contributes positively to the ecosystem, therefore improving all of our investments? Or behavior that constantly contributes to the value decreasing?

We have upvotes and downvotes for a reason ... and they are suppose to show the “mind of the crowd.”

The mind of the crowd should essentially be focused on longevity of the ecosystem, and improvements that will result in positive changes.

Is that reflected in the current “mind of the crowd?”

If not, maybe we should change that.


What do you think?


Much Love,

Justine

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Look for the good and praise it. This is a standard I have parented by, managed by, and trained animals with. It works.

  1. Reward good behavior with praise and treats. (comments and upvotes)
  2. Ignore neutral behavior
  3. Punish bad or harmful behavior (downvotes)

You nailed it, and yes it is that simple and yes people respond quickly to balanced incentives.

You are correct. I don’t downvote anywhere near as much as I should. I need to be better about it but most of the time, me standing on the sidelines doesn’t help. I’m sure lots of us are guilty of it.

But punishment is the least effective way..

Next time I hear that I'm gonna flag and cuss to high heaven whoever dares say such nonsensical crap and to prove the point at the same time, instead of arguing with the quacks.

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I agree 100%, it’s a simple and effective method that is widely used with great success.

It’s easy to implement and results in positive changes, but it does require consistency.

Thanks for the support and comment 🙂

Downvoted for use of logic and lack of drama.

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Geez, your comedic timing is on point!


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I always reward simple content that i believe is there for the right purpose. Simple content is what social media is and Id like to see us grow as a social media space. I love share2steem for that reason.

I definitely agree with that and the goal is to have a platform people want to come to. Many times the simple content is what gets the most engagement and I fully support it.

I think there is a place for all levels of content on Steem and for them to be rewarded accordingly. I hope communities will be a big part of this as well as hopefully encouraging more engagement as well.

justineh pretend i upvoted this 80% with 50/50.

Whoop!! 💃🏻

I like your comments though, 50/50, 75/25 or 0 if I’m honest though 😊 they always make me smile.

Reverse downvote for no drama.

I’m it sure whether to celebrate or cry 🤔 ... both?

Better cover all your bases.

I agree on punishing ABUSE, but I'm not interested in content police. If someone wants to post a two sentence joke, I'm fine with that. If someone wants to post a photo and a sentence, that's totally fine, and absolutely the norm on just about every creative platform.

I've onboarded multiple professional artists who ended up leaving because they resented the fact that they had to write an essay about their art to get an upvote from curators.

I'm not interested in being controlled or trained or told what to do, and I want this to be a place for people to escape that. Live and let live, don't do to others what you wouldn't have them do to you. That's my common sense. I think that's what will add value to Steem.

Nothing wrong with posting simple content, never said there was. But your friends most likely left (based on your comment about curators) as they felt they didn’t receive the reward they deserved, that’s the issue. We have set unrealistic expectations and now this is the norm.

If I post simple content, I expect simple rewards. If someone posts a professional level video that can be used by the Steem community for educational or marketing for years to come, that reward should be higher imo.

Simple content is normal for a social platform, but Steem is more than just a social platform and content is not the only aspect.

What adds value is different to different people, but the reward pool is set up to reward contributions to the ecosystem. If we are not using it on the things that add long term value, we are wasting it.

As I said in a comment above, I think Steem should be for all content and it should be rewarded accordingly. I’m hoping communities help this as well as encourage engagement, as I honestly think the engagement that this community brings is extremely valuable.

If we upvote an individual for one photo and a few sentences, an individual who’s only contribution to the ecosystem is that photo..

That was the way this sounded, but if it's not what you meant that's on me.

...but the reward pool is set up to reward contributions to the ecosystem. If we are not using it on the things that add long term value, we are wasting it.

I don't really agree with this. If we assume code is law, the reward pool is set up for individuals to reward whatever they want. The reward pool setup is totally agnostic. I think that's a strength not a weakness. As individuals we can use our stake to add value to the platform in whatever ways we see fit. It's going to vary drastically from person to person, group to group.

Truth be told, in regard to artist friends leaving, it was a variety of factors, and what I mentioned above was one variable. Rewards were actually not much of a factor. Artists are used to posting their art and being paid nothing. It was actually the lack of engagement, so I definitely agree with you that this is key and super important.

Oh yes, I only mentioned that in the paragraph as there had been complaints of someone who left “again”.. but each time they left and came back they were auto rewarded greatly for what they contributed. I was simply saying, how could we expect anything different?

I should have clarified that, apologies.

As far as the pool. Inflation essentially brings down the value of Steem by creating more constantly. So unless that inflation is used in a way that can add to the value down the road, it’s negatively effecting the price.

I’m not calling for a centralized way of rewarding content or even trying to bash how people vote. I’m a big believer in to each their own and that if people have invested and hold stake, they should use it now they like. .. but if we don’t like what we see, we should look at what is causing it to look that way.

Many are frustrated and upset with how things are going and what this place looks like, I’m simple saying it looks this way because this is the example we have set. And I don’t just mean content, I mean overall contribution.

And yes, I agree lack of engagement is the number one reason people leave imo. It’s why I hope communities happen quickly as well as some way to connect and find things easier.

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I don't really agree with this. If we assume code is law, the reward pool is set up for individuals to reward whatever they want

Yes, but that's why we have both upvotes and downvotes. The reward pool is set up for individuals to reward whatever they want, as long there is agreement on rewarding it. If you want to unilaterally reward whatever you want, the mechanism for that is the transfer function.

Human decision making is not perfect whether individual or otherwise, so we can expect that some stupid and worthless content will be rewarded, but with the need for agreement, the degree of wasted rewards should be somewhat reduced.

I agree with you on engagement, but ultimately this is somewhat of a chicken-and-egg problemaand until you have a very large community, you can't really have engagement on any but the most prominent and common of topics. One of the goals of the reward pool is to use those funds to attract contributors, grow the community, and get to the point where organic engagement can start to be a big draw. It doesn't just happen out of thin air.

If only more parents asked themselves "if I met my kid, you know, as a complete stranger, would I like them or think they're assholes?" the world would be a better place. Too often, we accept shitty behavior from loved ones because they're loved ones and we just don't wanna get into the mess of calling their BS.
And then, we're surprised they don't change. Like huh, they didn't figure out all on their own they're being dicks. What a shock...

Lol Yes!! This makes me laugh.

Sadly I’ve had close friends who were exactly like this.. their kids were a pain and they themselves even called them a brat. Funny enough when the child would act out, there was no consequence.. and then the parent would say “I don’t know why they act like that!?” ... ummmm because you let them, it’s not rocket science.

People are silly creatures 😄

It was only in my couple of weeks here when one of the dudes that started at the same time as me, who I thought was super smart and totally switched on was upvoting Haejin because he thought the curation rewards were worth it... and I just couldn't get my head around that.

I'd argue that no amount of curation reward is worth encouraging content you don't actually enjoy yourself. There is so much good stuff here.

Yes! So many people vote those “minimal” efforts as they know a huge self vote is coming, or a bot etc.. and I mean I get there is a financial return there, but that is very short term. When thinking long term (which I tend to do) that small return means nothing compared to the behavior I am supporting and therefore setting for an example for others to follow.

I’m the same, the small return just isn’t worth it to me.

I want to see behavior that leads to others giving me votes. That is the behavior i want to see and that is the behavior i will reward.
Ofc, im being sarcastic here but you get my point.

But we seem to generally agree on some of the negative behavior we see as “inappropriate” or at least we agree on the overall negative impacts some of the behavior has on the ecosystem.

No we dont and even if we did it wouldnt matter. Humans are more then willing to be morally vapid when it suits them and are extremely talented at being shortsighted idiots.
When will a someone come out and say it:

"Most people are either morons or in need of a serious psychiatric exam".

Hell, the most frustrated guy i ever met was our team playmaker during college that was 5ft 7 and had a tiny penis. He was the biggest dipshit i ever met.
Which is why I assume Bernie and Ftg are Pygmies that have a combined penis length of a finger nail. Not one of those long girlie ones.

TRUTHTALK:

You seem to be getting back to earth with the attention slowly withering. Good to see you coming to. ;)

Ah see, I’ve always been about “truth talk” and always speak my mind.. attention or not. This just shows how out of touch with reality that you truly are. 🙂

If I did things for attention or because I played the games that make you popular here, we would be having a different discussion. I get you will never see that and will continue to act like you know me, or seem to understand how things work.. spoiler, you don’t 😉

Yep humans are interesting creatures and when they are rewarded for being assholes, they will continue and always will do what benefits them. That was sort of the point of my whole post...

Thanks for stopping by! I’ve truly missed your charming personality 🙂

I know. I try and remind you of the good times by honoring you with my presence. No need to thank me.

I also always speak my mind even though i dont get people come in protect me saying: "How can you not like him, look at his sweet face.". lol

.... but somehow i dont have a need to repeat: " I always speak my mind!"... :D

You dont think i know you? How sure of that are you? :)

How can you not like him, look at his sweet face.

People really say this 🤔

I know, because I responded to you implying somehow that clearly means I have to constantly repeat things to make them true, as you are now implying.

I hate to break it to you, but you suck as a troll..

When was i ever a troll? lol.
Theres banter, there are disagreements, theres arguments. None of that is trolling. I know it would be great if you could paint me as such, though... lol.

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You stalking me now? haha.
You a Pygmy as well? :D

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Goddamit.. Alright. Send me 200 Steem, you get 1 dick pic, but you cant share it with anyone else. This is just for scientific purposes.

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Alright! You can handle it but @justineh will measure it. I dont trust your accuracy and she already had practice with goats.

He’s super frustrated, but a lot of the above comment is directed at me personally and nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Apparently he’s interested in the size of a Pygmy’s penis size though 🤔

I just got a Pygmy goat.. maybe I should measure to fulfill the butterfly’s curiosity ...

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I just see balls though...

Hahaha. Thats a good one.
I never had you for someone that measures goat penises. Guess youre right, i dont really know you. lol

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