Yeah, I think Steemians are more than capable to find non-botted content without your taking from the reward pool
Oh you run a script to get the data?
But its too much trouble to actually add meaningful commentary about the content, huh?
Guess I could be wrong but I would imagine the vast majority of people share the sentiment of the following meme
In regard to the multiple trending posts that add little to no value with respect to their payout.
I don't intend to be mean or anything but just come on. Stop it. Will ya?
As it really seems like a clever way to farm rewards to me and you know me.
I don't take kindly to that
I guess it's none of my business, huh?
If you want to buy votes from yourself. Hey, that's free market. That's capitalism at work!
On second thought
As a fellow stakeholder on this platform, it is my damn business and everybody else's business.
Oh, you're promoting at a loss. Well, everybody. Let's give em a salute for their undoubtedly selfless sacrifice!
source
But don't mind me.. I'm just "virtue signaling".
Inside joke between a good pal and me
Lastly, I want to ask the community. What do you think? Is @steem.organic serving a useful purpose to you or is just taking up space on Trending?
More importantly...
Do you think it's abuse and needs flags?
Let me know in a comment
I'm not sure if we would call this abuse but it may fall in the category of bid bot abuse. I mean we don't see @trufflepig on trending with their automated posts. Is @steem.organic "special"?
Trending is full of junk and posts from this account are really not adding much value. The fact that they get hardly any interaction may be a sign that nobody with sense looks at Steemit Trending. The versions on Palnet and other 'tribes' may have better signal to noise.
We all know trending is nothing to do with quality, but it is still what new users will see first. Having rewards of hundreds of dollars gives a very false impression of what can actually be expected.
The bots are not going away unless HF21 makes them even less profitable.
Of course the irony of promoting a post about 'organic' posts with bots did not go unnoticed.
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We can make them less profitable. We can make them more expensive to use. At some point it's going to come down to the realization that ALL bid bot use is bid bot abuse and will not be tolerated. That takes mobilisation of the anti abuse community, and education of the ignorant masses who assume because it is built on steem, it's a beneficial feature of steem. It's reasonable enough to wait for the outcome of the HF to see if behaviour changes. But beyond that there needs to be a strategy to fight them. I dont subscribe to the notion that they will always be around and we must kowtow to them and their massive SP out of fear of reprisal. It's going to take a large collective effort because when they inevitably lash out, they do so against as many honest actors as possible. When they do that, the fence sitters with clout will realize how much of a perverted system they've passively watched infect the ecosystem, and they will act.
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^ 💯 this
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Totally NOT that. Not all bidbot use is abuse in fact it is often one of the rare and real reasons to purchase steem.
It is hard to take the downvoting movement seriously if it is going to be anchored in absolutisms and people making up unreasonable rules and trying to enforce them on others.
And those who say such things are almost never anyone who have bought or paid for anything here ever.
that does matter, because that isn't really who we want to attract.
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Really? Because my cointracking says I purchased 34k steem out of the total 35k steem that I hold. Was planning too keep accumulating to 50k.
I guess that makes me an actual steem investor huh?
You are in a way telling us the demand for steem and price is low is because not enough people are bidding on bots? So tell me, how much bid bot demand do we need? In your ideal world, how long do I need to be scrolling down through bought and paid for garbage before I hit the real stuff?
The price for steem and demand is low because steem has a poor reputation, this is in large part because of the EXISTENCE OF BOTS. I like Steem because it is one of the few blockchains with actual use cases, while a bunch of vaporware shit gets bidded up into the stratosphere.
What are these bot owners doing with their returns, powering them up out of altruism?
And your reasoning is that not enough people are bidding up their posts... okay.
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I did not say not enough people are botting up their posts.
you jumped into a whole lot of word twisting and assumptions.
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@whatsup,
Give me 1 good reason why promotion isn't exclusively achieved in the front end vs using the trending or hot algorithms?
Hint: There is no good reasonother than cha-ching! 💲
They are a vestigial structure of the #oldsteem and I am surprised we are not on the same page there.
Vote selling is something that serves the seller, the buyer and the handful of ppl that have their hand in the cookie jar. It doesn't serve the interest of adoption.
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Cha ching... um, give me one good reason why most people or anyone would hold steem if no one was allowed to earn money?
It's always people who pretend to not care about money, who don't want others to earn money.
If I hold Steem Power and I don't want to curate, why shouldn't I have the right to allocate it any way I want to?
When I can't and it is a parade of improverished people fighting over scraps you will not find me here. :) Sorry if that is too real.
There is NOTHING wrong with responsibily earning money, the problem is the lack of clean up and curation.
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Because doing so takes money out of my hand.
Steem is a commons.
Some folks have enough stake to make steem unattractive to everybody else.
That is what they have been doing literally for years, now.
Why you are victim shaming us?
Nobody is worried about @whatsup using her stake as she sees fit, but who is going to buy in to give @ned more?
I contend that the price gives us that answer.
Until ned slakes his greed, we are a shitcoin.
A penny stock.
Maybe we rise from the ashes, maybe the wind blows us away.
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For unknown thousands of years investors have been making money by increasing the value of the investment vehicles they purchase. This is called capital gains.
I recommend capital gains as an incentive for investors. I expect that few seasoned investors are very interested in buying Steem and then financially manipulating the rewards pool via curation rewards to become profiteers.
Because that's what that is: profiteering, and it reduces the value of the business and the investement vehicle, in our case Steem. You can see the fruit of that business model from the ninjaminers today. Our marketcap is declining, our token is devaluing, and our users/market is shrinking.
I'm agin' it.
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I absolutely agree they don't want to and shouldn't have to curate.... Like any investor there is a cost of doing business, delegate it or hire someone...
You make excellent points, but the ponzi thing is getting us no where.
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You're free to do as you will.
Would request you show me where SFR flagged inappropriately. We have abuse categories so, if someone gets flagged, there is a reason behind it.
We don't flag willy nilly or to be dicks contrary to what you may think or heard from our adversaries.
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I have seen them maybe once or twice on the trending page. Bid-bots vote selling, vote buying are a part of steemit whether we like it or not. Several of the Scot-tribes are trying to go bot-less, whether they succeed or not we will see. Advertising that you are down voting a post because of your's or someone else's view of bid-bots is not really right. Down voting because you disagree with the pay-out is justified. In fact there can be no question at all about *your * choice to down vote a post for excessive rewards.
First item on the reasons to down vote list. Bid Bot Abuse is not one of the listed reasons. Retaliation down voting is rampant right now, it is very rare that I do not get a down vote from one of the auto down vote accounts, or from an individual because I agreed with a policy of one of the Scot-tribes about reasons for muting people from their community. HF21 is not going to help if the down vote pool goes through.
Telling people they are going to be flagged if they Interact with an account that is being down voted is blatant attempt at coercion and is a type of blackmail.
Buying votes is not in the same category of plagiarism or abuse. The only three real reasons for any down voting you think a post is over valued. You believe the post is plagiarized, and you believe the post is abusive.
Spam, and bid-bot votes are a part of steemit life. Mis-tagging has been ignored for so long that it is hard to justify a down vote for that reason. Spam is everywhere on steemit. every Actift, d-like, steemhunt and all the other ad type post are spam to me. But like they say one man's spam is another mans sandwich.
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply. We are looking into a re-evaluating categories of "abuse" in general into terms that are less villifying. Maybe misappropriation of the reward pool is a less accusatory way to express it.
I do not put forth effort to conceal my stance against bid bots. My argument against them is on more philosophical grounds but I think arguments can be made using the whitepaper as a basis as the function of votes and their purpose seems to be distinctly indicated. Nevertheless, they have been normalized as a part of Steem culture but not sure if too many have stepped back to evaluate their impact.
I, for one, have seen enough trash content on Trending due to these bid bots to draw my own conclusion but sure plenty are on the fence still. I think tribes is no solution as the bid bots still maintain over the reward pool that dictates the extent by which users may use the Steem network resources (via RCs).
There are no problems that go away by ignoring them and that is what I believe to be happening with Tribes but that's a topic for another day.
Ultimately, I see bid bots as a form of collusive voting but it has been legitimized as Ned gave the business model a nod long ago (which imo was a leadership failure).
This isn't a black and white discussion and I understand but I have not seen one compelling argument as to why we suffer bid bots to exist when promotion is very much possible to implement in the front ends.
We get a front end that filters out bid bot users and has enough popularity. Think there is a good possibility we can see bid bots going the way of the dinosaur. That may be optimistic however as so much power is already concentrated with the bid bot - vote buyer side.
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Buying votes is abuse. There's no better reason to flag than because they botted it up. Either society is human beings interacting, or it's not society. I don't expect us to agree, but wanted to point out that not everyone is going to say you're right.
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I myself do not like bid-bots, or vote selling, but they are a fact on steemit and the steem block chain. The only way they will go away is if people stop using them, down voting a post because they used bid-bots to raise the value of their post is a valid reason for the down vote. You are not down voting the vote bot, you are down voting because some one used a vote bot to over value their post.
The down vote does no significant damage to the vote bot. I do not know how often the vote bots put post out because I do not use them, in fact I could not name a single vote bot right now. If they do put weekly or monthly reports out and people really do want to send a message to the vote bots then those post should be voted down by all the people that dislike the vote bots.
In general I do not like the down vote concept at all, it is an abusive system and an ineffective system. It has not solved a single issue at all on steem block chain. To down vote a post for what ever reason the down voter needs to accept responsibility for their action and a comment must be left or no down vote can be done. That will stop a lot of the abusive blind accounts from down voting, that will stop any auto script from blind down voting a post. people will be able to see who down voted the post. People will be able to take immediate action against the down voter if they so desired, fully understanding they will leave a down vote comment also.
I know people do not like the must leave a down vote comment in order to down vote, they don't like that idea because they do not want to accept responsibility for their actions. In one week all those annoying 25 REP down vote accounts would be less than 0 REP. No longer able to harm or cause grief to a new user.
Very few people if any at all would agree with me. I do not think I have received a single post comment at all when I mention a down vote needs to have an accompanying comment. I think so far I have averaged one down vote a year, that is how much I really do not like down votes. I have received plenty, not as many as you, but enough.
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I have proposed a better solution than flags to get rid of vote bots, but no one wants to solve the problem that has the ability.
And, yeah, I don't like flags either LOL
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Took the words right from my keyboard! On the other hand, this is a smartphone... not a computer... the trending stuff makes no sense to me as to why it is trending majority of the time. It is getting to a point of me posting less on here and more on instagram...
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It's bad because it drains the reward pool, adds no content and sets a bad example for small accounts and newcomers.
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!dramatoken
Yeah, I don't like it much either. I've flagged it a couple of times.
There is just so much flag worthy right now we should have 2 downvote pools. :)
This is our brightest and best... :)
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