RE: Question: Why Do Many For-Profit Upvote Bot Owners Seem To Stay Anonymous?

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Question: Why Do Many For-Profit Upvote Bot Owners Seem To Stay Anonymous?

in weshouldknow •  6 years ago 

Without making it personal, I don't have an issue with the bidbot model.

What I do take an issue with is their complete and utter lack of responsibility when it comes to bad content. I'm not even going to use the word quality.

They will not hold themselves and their customers accountable and thus have had a great negative impact. Had they acted like responsible businesses it wouldn't have been that big of a deal.

I've defended the model many times, but not the current owners.

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I hear ya. I tried not to make it personal either the best I could. Ownership is everything. A sports franchise with the best players on the planet can fall apart if the ownership is bad. Values and responsibility to actually own the business from end-to-end is what a real business owner does. Clearly, the only end most appear to care about is the Steem faucet end.

Terms of service in their fine print is their only defense for now, but that’s nonsense to me. If they don’t enforce it, it’s just fluff. They should hire people to approve those posts they service to protect the integrity of their “business.” If they don’t care in that sense, it’s not a real business.

When people know they’re doing harm to a society, and they feel the income outweighs the detriment, AND they hide, well that makes my Steem boil.

Steempreneur and developer/ witness lmao what company doesn’t advertise their best assets ? Surely a popular witness would be a good spokesperson and openly support their own business being the same entity ? Derp,

New management needed. Stick a fork in ‘em... oh wait, we’re about to have them stick a fork in us any day now wearing their multiple hats.

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I can only agree with that!

I don't think many of the largest stakeholders have any experience with business. I don't think they see that they are harming their own long term profits.

We could have the best math and the best trending and the best gizmo..

If no one knows we are alive it really doesn't matter. There are 2330 ish currencies on CoinMarketCap. How many of them do you know? How many thing do you own that you don't understand... :) We are totally just yanking our own chain. No one outside of Steem gives a shit about any of this internal fighting about the vision.

Preach! Spot on. If Steem doesn’t work out, you have a bright new career as a Pastor. Can’t add anything to that other than an applause.

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Surely you don't believe that:

We could have the best math and the best trending and the best gizmo..

Are somehow exclusive from people "knowing that we are alive"..

Or do you think that marketing would solve anything? Why are you sure that marketing a clearly broken system would do any good, what so ever. It would most likely turn us into a laughing stock and no one will ever want to get near us because "it's Steem".

You literally reason that whilst competing in a race, wearing bright neon colors will get us across the finish line first, and that massive oozing puss filled thorn in our foot, that is the struggle we need to succeed, even though, you think it would be better if we simply try not to step too much on it.

Many companies market a vision knowing they aren't there yet.

Shit Doge is out performing us. Because people talk about it.

So you think that marketing a clearly broken system will fix the system..

Also, how do you know that dodge is outperforming us, and how do you know it's because of people 'talk about it' and how does that help, or point to fixing a broken system?

Just a thought, marketing may eventually attract devs and entrepreneurs who will have the knowhow and real financial resources to step in and change things. The whales today don’t own much stake when we compare them to real world whales. Granted, a lot needs to be fixed, but new eyes, ears, opinions and funding from marketing (knowing we’ll not be for everyone) can’t really hurt as much as it’d likely help. People with good experience and business skills will eventually squash those who fell into the slots as early adopters. That fair?

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Why would they, they would much rather make their own ship instead of trying to salvage a sinking one. I don't understand why anyone would jump into a broken system and try to fix it simply because they heard about it. Makes absolutely no sense, what makes sense is that once they know about the broken system they will ridicule and mock it, warning anyone against stepping into a huge pile of steemy shit.

"hey look at how horrible the state of this neighborhood is, let's buy in and put our reputation on the line by investing in it"

People buy real estate and invest in shoddy locations, and they eventually turn around for their long term vision. Of course, many don’t, but that’s why there’s a strong reward if they do. Your opinions are valid, but they don’t fit the mold of every person with wealth or interest to invest in the crypto space. It may not make sense, but some people might be excited at the opportunity to buy a clunker and rebuild it to be the hero. Dan is doing a great job at making this place better. More of his type and things can change, and some people might (as crazy as that sounds) might find the risk/reward for their taste.

and its a problem that can be easily remedied by simple moderation. Most Bots vote every 2.4 hours, they get maybe 3 to 6 posts to upvote each round. How hard can it be to quickly check out 30 to 60 posts a day?

It's pretty hard, even if they would only remove votes when other people point out the most obvious problems. :)

I defended the model for a while, but people confused that with defending the current owners.

What's the bidbot model again?

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Pay for visibility. You will find it on twitter, facebook, youtube and every where else.

We insist on thinking Crypto is a Special Snowflake with a unique model, but it isn't.

It does all the same things as money and holds all the same issues.

So then what is the problem? You didn't specify pay for who's visibility, so why are you against some people buying it?

Btw:

Numero Uno, we are talking about Rewards, not money.

I see no such thing as a reward pool in the world of money, ever, in the whole 10000 year history.

Hey, what the heck is that in your mouth in your profile pic? A dagger?

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