RE: Question: Why Do Many For-Profit Upvote Bot Owners Seem To Stay Anonymous?

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Question: Why Do Many For-Profit Upvote Bot Owners Seem To Stay Anonymous?

in weshouldknow •  6 years ago 

I don't think many of the largest stakeholders have any experience with business. I don't think they see that they are harming their own long term profits.

We could have the best math and the best trending and the best gizmo..

If no one knows we are alive it really doesn't matter. There are 2330 ish currencies on CoinMarketCap. How many of them do you know? How many thing do you own that you don't understand... :) We are totally just yanking our own chain. No one outside of Steem gives a shit about any of this internal fighting about the vision.

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Preach! Spot on. If Steem doesn’t work out, you have a bright new career as a Pastor. Can’t add anything to that other than an applause.

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Surely you don't believe that:

We could have the best math and the best trending and the best gizmo..

Are somehow exclusive from people "knowing that we are alive"..

Or do you think that marketing would solve anything? Why are you sure that marketing a clearly broken system would do any good, what so ever. It would most likely turn us into a laughing stock and no one will ever want to get near us because "it's Steem".

You literally reason that whilst competing in a race, wearing bright neon colors will get us across the finish line first, and that massive oozing puss filled thorn in our foot, that is the struggle we need to succeed, even though, you think it would be better if we simply try not to step too much on it.

Many companies market a vision knowing they aren't there yet.

Shit Doge is out performing us. Because people talk about it.

So you think that marketing a clearly broken system will fix the system..

Also, how do you know that dodge is outperforming us, and how do you know it's because of people 'talk about it' and how does that help, or point to fixing a broken system?

Just a thought, marketing may eventually attract devs and entrepreneurs who will have the knowhow and real financial resources to step in and change things. The whales today don’t own much stake when we compare them to real world whales. Granted, a lot needs to be fixed, but new eyes, ears, opinions and funding from marketing (knowing we’ll not be for everyone) can’t really hurt as much as it’d likely help. People with good experience and business skills will eventually squash those who fell into the slots as early adopters. That fair?

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

Why would they, they would much rather make their own ship instead of trying to salvage a sinking one. I don't understand why anyone would jump into a broken system and try to fix it simply because they heard about it. Makes absolutely no sense, what makes sense is that once they know about the broken system they will ridicule and mock it, warning anyone against stepping into a huge pile of steemy shit.

"hey look at how horrible the state of this neighborhood is, let's buy in and put our reputation on the line by investing in it"

People buy real estate and invest in shoddy locations, and they eventually turn around for their long term vision. Of course, many don’t, but that’s why there’s a strong reward if they do. Your opinions are valid, but they don’t fit the mold of every person with wealth or interest to invest in the crypto space. It may not make sense, but some people might be excited at the opportunity to buy a clunker and rebuild it to be the hero. Dan is doing a great job at making this place better. More of his type and things can change, and some people might (as crazy as that sounds) might find the risk/reward for their taste.

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

You know what won't fix a stinking ship? Investors. Even if you plug the holes with them. The last thing we need is to attract the people who will first of all respect Marketing and advertising enough to actually follow the hype, and second, the type of people that will put a strip club, a bar and a liquor store in a neighborhood that's going to shit, which is exactly what every single "investor" who goes to a poor neighborhood does, that or gentrification, I never heard of anyone turning the slum around for the benefit of that community.

You know how I know that it's nonsense?

A: people who respond to hype and advertising are the last people that will "turn this place around".
B: our Alexa rank is great, and the ammount of traffic that comes to steem without one iota of marketing through search results and the top spots our articles hold among those results is phenomenal
C: no ammount of investment will fix steem, after all if steem is $100 and it still is broken then you better believe that the desperation and cheating will only be exacerbated by the "easy money" crowd
D: besides the impressionable idiots that don't ignore the marketing hype and actually find it interesting, the last people we need are marketing types and speculators (see above, liquor store/strip club investors)
E: who else would accept such a proposition to invest in besides the worst of the worst, the parasite and vultures?
F: no amount of hype will change the incentive structure around, it will again, only exacerbate the situation because nothing has changed
G: there is no "code" or development team that could mitigate abuse on the platform, the code is already in place, it's called flagging
H: speaking of developers, delopers are not the kind of people that don't run an adblock or another, or follow some hype.