AskSteem: What do you dislike about Steem?

in asksteem •  6 years ago 

After the recent post asking what people like about Steem I figured I'd make this one as well. Been getting a lot of comments lately about trolling/flag abuse and also some still annoyed by Steemit's account creation process which according to them is still quite glitchy.

So, what else do you dislike about Steem aside from the rewards or lack thereof?

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The dependence on Steemit inc sucks, one month they post updates almost daily and then they just disappear for weeks and right now, have most of their activity on Twitter instead of here lol. I would like at least a weekly update on what they are working on!

At least we now have steem engine making SMTs happen faster and probably better!

If we don't like our dependence on SteemIt Inc.

We should simply stop focusing on SteemIt, Inc and start rewarding the members of the community who are working with or without SteemIt, Inc's support.

Exactly, good words. Start to ignore and support the own people who work for us on the platform. Thats the way it will get to work and new future will come to steemit.

Yeah...weren't SMT's supposed to be done by now?

Can't agree more with you !

  ·  6 years ago 

the steemcleaners. I'm not saying it's not good but this group got too much power.

Do you think the scope or approach of the Steemcleaners can be changed and if so, what would you think a better version would look like?

  ·  6 years ago 

Each community should have their own scope because they know better for their communities. Steemcleaners might lower their scope and give communities more controls. This will lower your workload and better for communities to get more new users into the steem.

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That's actually been worked on since last year and as more communities communicate with Steemcleaners the better it works. The real issue is that there are users who don't fit any communities and have no interest in them. They only care about getting as much money out of the blockchain as they can and its those ones who make giant botnets, steal identities, etc.

  ·  6 years ago 

okay, thanks for your explanation. I feel your pain now. How to work with steemcleaners?

Best thing to do is just blog and curate normally but keep an eye out of either users or posts or voting that just doesn't look right. If something makes you take a second look and wonder about it, there's a reason. Use the reporting form http://steemcleaners.com/reports/new to report. If it's a mistake, it gets sorted out, but usually a gut feeling is right on.

For communities, the way is to just come chat on Discord and figure out what the Steemcleaners can do and what they can do together.

Those are actually separate things. I'm not in any communities right now. Partially because I hate discord...and partially because I hate being forced to upvote things, and haven't seen a community I really like.

Wonder if there's a maker community here...or a programmer community....

It was the same way in high school.

Some people just don't really join up into communities. They're not the type. Some just don't really know what community they fit into.

They're not like you. You're part of steem.chat and you're invested emotionally in steem. They're here to set up automatic bots and leave. They don't speak to other users. It's like phishing, its an automatic business transaction.

Yeah, I know. Though perhaps some of them could possibly be good users. There certainly are a ton of community members that are out for themselves and the money and are still part of the community in some way. Even I think about money...though I also occasionally do things that have nothing to do with it.

Of course, even if I was all about the money, I would have just made an automated vote service that's better than all the rest. :P Most of the people just about the money aren't really that smart...or they'd come up with better ways sometimes.

My point was just that being separate from individual communities does not preclude people from being good users.

Yeah that's a good point. There are a lot of users that don't join communities.

That has been quite a controversial subject, many say that they are too big as well and that they take sides on what to flag and what to ignore.

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yah, it's ongoing controversial subject. I think communities should have more control on which to flag or to ignore.

Transparency is my biggest issue with it. They should post their evidence on the blockchain for the community to see, and not force people to go to discord to plead their case.

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There's a lot of personal info involved so it really wouldn't be right to make people post it publicly. For example, someone may tell the Steemcleaners that so and so account is their brother named whatever. Even on the Discord if something is too private, it's kept like that. The comments themselves are all on the blockchain and have reference links so everyone can double check.

  ·  6 years ago Reveal Comment

Your contests are posts where people upvote for a share of the rewards. You did get a response, it just wasn't the response you wanted. https://steemit.com/faq.html#What_is_considered_spam_or_abuse

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Didn’t know @playdice was a contest. /s

All I know is the creator had it cleared with the @steemcleaners and that’s good enough for me.

vote buying
and this is one of the reason I never recommend steemit to most people

Well there was always vote buying, now it's just more public. There's attention buying on other platforms as well called advertisement. :)

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

The way bidding bots are being used. In fact steem/Steemit would have been a better place without these "promotion services"

Retention / engagement, cause they both go hand in hand.
But the thing I really dislike is the distribution.

Well good thing we at @ocd and @ocdb are working hard on making distribution better, the low prices are sure helping with that too. ;)

Our focus on our own stakeholders. Instead of focusing on branding or marketing we are constantly focused on our own issues.

Like the push for 50/50, I don't think a bunch of investors looked a Steem and said... Nah, I don't want to invest in that because the curation rewards just aren't dialed in correctly.

I also dislike that as a community we do a poor job at rewarding those who are working here everyday, by putting the focus on stake is your stake... We have made it difficult to fund projects.

Some people have too much power
The community spirit is dying
Automation might ruin us

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There is a definite problem with automation on other platforms. Like how Google wants to try to automate everything and has demonetized all sorts of videos, actually causing various businesses that were based on YouTube to fail. We haven't quite gotten to that point yet. We definitely need to be careful with how we automate and know when to use it to just augment humans.

Steem the Blockchain is becoming more and more a great place for all kinds of Dapps that we all love to use. I still can't wrap my head around how this should going to a future, if we still mine our Steems with Steemit.com on a non working Proof-of-Brain mechanism?
I would love to see Steemit.com become a SMT Dapp by itself, and the reward pool should be focused on Steempower holders, RC markets and Dapp development.

I don't like vote buying as well. I once invited my friend on Steemit. When he saw that people are buying votes, he said he is no longer interested in this platform. I think there are a couple of more things I don't remember right now. Other than that I like it here :D

It isn't a dislike, but a slight annoyance. As a newcomer, the distinction of the different currencies and their uses is kinda challenging especially converting from one to the other.

The public tolerance for the few cases of extreme racism and pedophilia all in the name of freedom of expression or just not wanting to deal with it. It stops being freedom of expression real fast when there's an actual victim.

These things are notoriously hard to deal with on these types of systems / platforms.

You can't censor what's decentralized, that's the whole point.

However, flagging, reporting, better frontend filters, etc. all go a long way in helping us "hide" the dirt that comes with freedom.

SteemPeak does a great job in providing tools to block, hide, and filter content you don't want in your life.

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And there comes people crying censorship, etc.

Guess “consensus” only matters when people agree with them.

Huh? I don't think I get what you're saying.
I'm not sure I see what consensus has to do with this.

The thing I dislike most about Steem is the compulsion to monetize projects. Developers tie both hands behind their backs and greatly limit what is possible on the platform when they decide that they absolutely must make money off of it.

Crypto is all about open source synergy. We need to provide as much support and organization as possible to open source and decentralized code. Easier said than done.

That requires generous donors and there aren’t many of those around.

Most people came into crypto to make money and that’s a fact.

Sure, but I think it's just a matter of time before we get the organization down that allows people go get paid based on their contribution. We are already half way there with Steem. Other chains are far behind.

allows people go get paid based on their contribution.

Even real life hasn't advanced that far, I doubt blockchain will be any different. Money needs to come from somewhere.

It's gotta be RC's. I know we had to deal with spam and assign a cost to each action but it's too much, it is killing the platform in a way because new users cannot do enough everyday actions for a social media platform. So they leave. It also adds a slight air of Ponzi to the feel of it for a new user IMO because they join then essentially are told want to do more? Buy steem and power up I am not sure if I would have stayed at the start being unable to comment and make connections if RCs were in place.

The thing is, it could be tweaked easily to assign a little less cost to actions but for some reason it hasn't been. A friend of mine joined a few months ago and left because he posted one day and made two comments and that was him out of rc's, he didn't want a delegation from me or anyone, just wanted to do stuff, like on any other site.

Ooft, my fingers sore after all that!

Yeah, it was supposed to be tweaked...and it wasn't. Steemit has failed us in so many ways.

There's a lot of growth from within and not from without. We have a huge marketing deficiency.

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I don't like all the turbo virgins on this platform for starters. Secondly, why don't we have more ads out to target the main demographic that would work for steemit? You know, dancing furries. Such a big waste of resources, just think of all those moist fursona suits we're missing out on!

On a serious note, one thing I don't like is that this place has seemed like a ghost town for so long. I thought it was because of the price drop that people were bouncing. Now, I think it's a few other things like the poor direction behind Steemit Inc over the last several months, as well as all the toxic drama that has spilled out in recent times. Pretty shitty stuff all around.

Everything bad that is happening to Steem is because of long BTC bear market, High BTC price = High Steem price. High Steem price more people use Steem, low Steem price nobody cares, well, we do(hodlers and hanging arounders), but most don't.

Mark my words, once the true bull market returns everyone will forget about "bad" things on Steem, you probably remember there were times when Steem sucked big time, but the price was great so nobody really cared about the problems.

Certain people. It's not like it's a secret. We all hate the shit posters and the scammer and spammers. I'm also really annoyed with Steemit...and DrugWars. Maybe it's because I think Steem...and DrugWars...could be so much better.

It's not like they're necessarily bad people...

Maybe it will fix itself as we grow. Or maybe it will always be like this.

Yeah that can be pretty annoying, also authors who don't care about the comments on their posts, just post and take the rewards and ignore them.

Yeah, there's a few that just want to gift the plebs with their wisdom and not have conversations. When they become obvious I usually unfollow them. If I want echo chambers I'll go back to Facebook and Twitter.

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There's also a lot of fake numbers/followers going around. Many played these games of mass following people then unfollowing and got themselves a lot of free followers. Oh well, one thing they can't fake is SP and genuine comments on their posts. :)

Hi @acidyo..
I must think about it :P
Maybe I answer this question tomorrow ;)

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Can't wait!

  • Small circular voting cliques who want you to join their community or chatroom to receive votes or avoid flags.
  • Lack of almost any spontaneous natural curation outside of aforementioned cliques.
  • Inability to find new valuable content through filters or custom feeds.
  • Lack of honest dialogue due to fear of flagging and loss of potential future votes.
  • Whale trolls who constantly flag and harass chosen targets including some of the "beneficial" downvoting and blacklisting gangs.
  • Reward curves that incentivize shitposting and auto bot voting large wallet shitposters.
  • Proliferation of personal shitcoins and delusion that some new token just around the corner will magically solve problems instead of focus on fixing current issues with platform.
  • Steemit Inc. stake size relative to their incompetence, lack of leadership, and undue influence on platform through delegations or lack thereof.
  • Focus on opinions of large stakeholders and income deriving power users who are necessarily self interested instead of focus on issues that new users, non-users, and former users have with platform.
  • Inability of small wallets to engage with platform through RC restrictions and earn rewards through curation mechanisms dominated by power users or authoring posts that will never be discovered.

very well written list. I can agree with quite a few of these points. The RC limits especially have me thinking & worrying a lot.

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A lot, may be it is same for it. (Steemit doesn' t like me =( =P ) May be we will understand each other better in time. =)

Whereas it may be a biproduct of decentralization, the complete lack of a cohesive plan or "direction" here is disturbing.

It's like we have a "boat" we're all in together, and we all know it needs to "go" somewhere. But beyond that? Some people have oars, some have paddles, some have sails, some have outboard motors, some have only their hands... meanwhile, all these people use their various forms of "propulsion" with various degrees of enthusiasm... all going in completely random and often opposite directions! Everyone might be working super hard, but there's almost zero "connective tissue" to put everyone on the same page, being part of the same plan.

Then there's Resource Credits. You want GROWTH and then you implement a system that promotes the exact OPPOSITE of growth. Whose head was stuck in a dark orifice when that brilliant concept was conceived and evidently NOT thoroughly field tested before being implemented?

I like almost everything of steem but most of the time good posts get low attention, maybe because I'm minnow. I need some support for all of you guys.. 😊

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Interface content discovery ....

Is it hard to clone Facebook or Instagram and put it on steem ? :D

I think what frustrates me is that we are part of the “cutting edge” technology but still build on last generation mostly. I am not a technical expert but that is the perception I get.

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Can you expand on that?

Sure! I think the interface we have is poor visually and how we engage with each other in a social mindset. Our engagements seemed so siloed from each iteration and unless we search it is tough to get involved in relevant discussions. I am sure I am just ignorant to what is behind it but it just feels un-engaging knowing that we are still mostly on MVP in some front ends.

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Not be able to use your bot and be a member in the whitelist. ;)

Not really mine, I like to think it's more of a bot for the whole community. Only a matter of time until more and more deserving authors get added.