How Byteball airdrop is screwing over the Steem community

punqtured (58) · 7 years ago

Thanks for yet another brilliant article. You are pretty much spot on in all your assessments. Needless to say, we were of course very well aware of all the exploitable details of this campaign. Particularly the cost of boosting a new user to rep lvl 30 or 40 was a carefully calculated risk. We wanted to make this an opportunity to all Steem users - not only the high reps. We were aware of the leaked private keys from user's misuse of memos and generally had a rather good and detailed analysis on the possible ways to abuse the system.

We were aware, that while some would use the opportunity to just buy a boost, others would perhaps feel a reason to start posting quality content and engaging more in the Steem community, no matter which Steem based community they were from.

We naturally monitored the situation and when the abuse got too high compared to legit use, we moved to make a change that actually implemented some of the suggestions you wrote here. There is now a check for creation date on users, only allowing Steem users created prior to the original announcement to receive the attestation award. The reward for lower reputation levels are halved to make it unprofitable to buy boost.

Then, why on earth didn't we set out with a much might tight and waterproof system from the get-go? Well, the main reason being the ease of use and a wider spread of the word. Having users jump through too many hoops and setting up various mechanisms preventing users from getting rewards would have caused a lot less visibility. The way we did it caused the word to spread like wildfire. I am not sure that would have been the case, had we done it any other way.

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

We wanted to make this an opportunity to all Steem users - not only the high reps.

This was an awful “calculated risk.” In fact, I don’t believe it was “calculated” at all. Anyone with just a rudimentary understanding of Steem/Steemit knows that the reputation system is massively flawed, the account creation process/faucet is easily exploitable, and that bots, spammers, exploiters, and outright scammers infest this place.

So this so-called “calculated risk” was then deemed acceptable after consideration was given? Why? In order to sign up exploiters/scammers to Byteball? That doesn’t sound like a promising marketing/growth model. It actually sounds like a great way to look scammy and to devalue your blockchain and tokens.

The fact that reputation scores on Steem/Steemit were used at all is laughable when talking about anything to do with “calculations” and airdrops. There’s a reason why it’s not part of any distribution protocols on the Steem blockchain.

There is now a check for creation date on users, only allowing Steem users created prior to the original announcement to receive the attestation award.

Why this was not part of the original ruleset for the airdrop is beyond me. If the consequences from this bad decision were not foreseen, then I can only assume that having a cut-off date was never actually considered - which means this airdrop was nothing less than completely amateurish. Has anyone on your team ever seen another crypto airdrop before?

Then, why on earth didn't we set out with a much might tight and waterproof system from the get-go? Well, the main reason being the ease of use and a wider spread of the word.

Yes, it’s much better to have people spreading the word that your airdrop was very poorly done and negatively affected both participating blockchains rather than make sure that it was done properly with abuse/exploit mitigation. Because those with investment money and actual development skills/teams love to invest in a good ol’ crypto “scam.”

The way we did it caused the word to spread like wildfire.

Likely in all the wrong places...like websites and forums that spread the word about how easily exploitable the airdrop was. Congratulations, I guess?

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7 votes

punqtured (58) · 7 years ago

See, the first thing I need to underline here, is the fact, that this isn't just a simple airdrop. Steem users are now an integral part of the Byteball ecosystem. We needed the reputation level, how flawed it might be, as a way to allow ICO issuers, merchants, webshops, bot creators etc. to provide discounts and bonuses to a limited set of users. Users' attestations are posted to the DAG (yes, it's not a blockchain as you mentioned) and it allows developers to provide special services to Steem users.

One thing I can honstly say we didn't foresee, was the internal debate this caused in the Steem community. We definitely had no intention to bring focus to what some apparently believe is a broken system.

Whether or not you believe we knowingly set out to do things this way, I can just say, that to a platform allowing users to build and expand on it just like Steem, we definitely got some attention from developers swooping in to take advantage of things.

One final word on all this would have to be, that the network issues we experienced last weekend, was definitely not planned for! It caused all sorts of problems both to users and to us monitoring the campaign. That's definitely a lesson we've learned for the next campaigns :)

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multialtcoin.com (38) · 7 years ago

Exactly. Every discrepancy in effort/investment/income unleashes spammers.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

I love that you took the time and read the post and provided an awesome response to it. Was happy to see the changes made although I wish they were done from the start.

I am amazed at how successful the airdrop was and how many people took part.

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11 votes

dreamryder007 (67) · 7 years ago

@themarkymark when are you going to after @therealwolf for running a instant vote selling service that robs others of curation rewards?

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novacadian (58) · 7 years ago

@themarkymark when are you going to after @therealwolf for running a instant vote selling service that robs others of curation rewards?

You know that @themarkymark is a vote bot merchant as well right? Peas in a pod, Dude.

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garudi (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

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https://steemit.com/byteball/@em3/byteball-referral-theft-at-blockchain-level

em3 (60) · 7 years ago

I believe I have proof that bots were used to scan the blockchain. That is a serious 'loophole'.

punqtured (58) · 7 years ago

Yes, it actually took 3 days for someone to create a script that read the DAG (not a blockchain) and "catch" users' transactions of amounts similar to that used to pay the attestation fee. Initially, only a single script was active, but after 2 more days, we saw 5 or 6 more. Today, we decided to end it and remove the fee entirely, reverting to a basic referral link. The scripts caused others to develop ways to "milk" the scripts by generating transactions resembling that of users normal behavior from different addresses. (The headless light wallet allows for that) It was quite interesting to see, really :)

em3 (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thank you for the reply!!

So my friend @public-eye is out of luck? $80 in Byteball (referral bonus) lost because of these scammy programmers???

My Post shows the addresses of these scammers. I hope these addresses are frozen or deleted.

If you can help my friend that would be appreciated....

Thanks!

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elleok (63) · 7 years ago

Since I recognized pretty much the same by referring someone via discord (no address has ever been posted somewhere) I checked the addresses and they are the same as yours just a few seconds after the transfer I made:

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em3 (60) · 7 years ago

That is so terrible.

I hope Byteball does something to correct this.... Punish this scammer and still rightly install the referral fees to the real referrers.

We'll see.

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faithfullwills (40) · 7 years ago

Hope so too.

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piyars (33) · 7 years ago

Nice Blog

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techcoderx (64) · 7 years ago

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garudi (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

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princewahaj (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

The only way it affected steemians is the referral abuse. Let's not forget, reputation system is managed by Steemit INC, not byteball, so if its exploitable, its too bad for 'Steemit'.

I love that they chose steem community for the airdrop. You may have gained minimum $80 too through this airdrop. Sure it may be nothing but it's free money, so it matters.

Where the spammers came from? Most probably from this thread, and the invitee of this pattern of abuse is also a steemian here. I'm well aware that once a method is posted on thebot.net, it will be raped to death. Same happened here. Part of the credit goes to this steemian "supermeatboy" for inviting people to abuse the airdrop.

Here's the thread link: https://thebot.net/threads/how-to-rape-the-gbyte-steemit-airdrop.407564/

Edit: Seems like you are not aware that they modified their airdrop rules already. Accounts created after 12th July can't claim the airdrop anymore, but can still refer others and earn. Also, the rewards of 30-40 and 40-50 are halved. Much better than before I guess, but they are yet to do something for referral exploits (mass transfer of tiny payments to hijack referral rewards).

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14 votes

jarvie (70) · 7 years ago

Agreed with you and @princewahaj and even @themarkymark

There were issues with the airdrop but perhaps the benefits were still pretty good. This allows us and future companies see how an airdrop should perhaps be handled. This is a great test for us. This is how we learn and we can tell future airdrops in the first minute of them posting (or hopefully before they post) what they should consider for the airdrop.

So perhaps we should cool our reaction and maybe change the FUD title to say something like.
"How the Byteball airdrop messed up and how we can learn for the next STEEM airdrop"

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

I've seen that post, but it wasn't hard to figure out how to abuse it.

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princewahaj (69) · 7 years ago

Exactly, I see it as a exploit from steemit's side and not from byteball (except for referral abuse).

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

It is, but education, before the airdrop started, could have prevented that.

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princewahaj (69) · 7 years ago

Agreed with that. I think they might not even have an idea of how rep system can be abused so easily. I mean, just look at the invitee on https://steemit.com/@ supermeatboy (don't want to mention him), his rep points are 61. Wow!

On the other hand, we have some good members with great potentials and yet they are below 60 or even 50.

Also, are you aware that they already modified their airdrop rules? No more accounts created after 12th july and reward of 30-40 rep groups are halved.

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em3 (60) · 7 years ago

But would education have been able to prevent the blockchain explorer bots harvesting new addresses to loot the referral rewards. It happened to me and my friend:
https://steemit.com/byteball/@em3/byteball-referral-theft-at-blockchain-level

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gyanu123 (25) · 7 years ago

nice

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bysaggy (49) · 7 years ago

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noobsin (56) · 7 years ago

You are doing a lot of good things here on steemit. That´s why I can forgive your byteball shills. Despite you not even apologizing for it.

You guys (like witnesses) should have seen that. I have no clue about the technical things of steem/steemit/byteballs and even I understand your explanations. Is it really that hard to foreseaw what just happened?

Somehow you guys can see through the technical stuff of a scammy Jerry Banfield SMT despite SMT not even being released. But you can´t foresee that people will create low reputation spam accounts to grab the airdrop.

lol

No one of you guys who shilled this (useless shitcoin btw) cared about it. You were just greedy. Hoping to make some thousands of dollars of easy cash.

Now when others stole your not hardly earned money you suddenly turn mad and complain.

I don´t feel sorry for you at all.

And btw I think you guys should not give the responsibility to Byteballs. I rather have greedy witnesses than witnesses who have no fucking clue how steemit works. Because if you say it´s all Byteballs fault you admit that you are too stupid to have seen it coming.

I won´t unvote you as a witness. But you insult my intelligence with your behaviour right now.

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punqtured (58) · 7 years ago (edited)

To think that we had no idea exactly what types of abusive behavior we could expect to see would be quite ignorant. We needed this to make a huge impact and spread like wildfire from the get-go. That definitely happened.

Obviously, I have to disagree that Byteball is a shit project and GBYTE is a shitcoin. There are actually quite a few rather interesting use cases that people who take the time see beyond the "free money" would learn. I saw this one from a Steem user today: https://steemit.com/byteball/@teamhumble/88ya1df6 - interesting to see someone actually taking time to look at what some features could potentially be used for.

The campaign definitely brought the problem of plagiarism and spam into full spotlight. Needless to say, that definitely wasn't our intention.

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5 votes

dreamryder007 (67) · 7 years ago

I think you all did quite well. You made a huge splash. That much attention would have cost way, way more with traditional advertising. I myself am will be using your crypto sports betting.

Most people on steem have NO CLUE about business, just an fyi.

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mattjack (51) · 7 years ago

Are you a part of the byteball team? Just curious

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

No one of you guys who shilled this (useless shitcoin btw) cared about it. You were just greedy. Hoping to make some thousands of dollars of easy cash.

It is not greedy to take advantage of a good opportunity. There was a clear advantage to both parties, users referred made a lot of money (for some as much as posting on Steem for a year), so I don't see it the same as "shilling a coin" as that typically is only for the shill's benefit.

Now when others stole your not hardly earned money you suddenly turn mad and complain.

My concern was l the fact users (who felt they were anonymous) went around acting as thieves. I researched users who did this on most Byteball posts, not only my own. While I am of course upset people stole most of my referrals, I was more upset so many users felt it was ok to steal from other people.

I rather have greedy witnesses than witnesses who have no fucking clue how steemit works

A witness is just another human Steemian, we have lives, interests, and want to make money. Anyone convinces you otherwise is likely lying or delusional. If I felt promoting it would have harmed users or only benefited myself, I would have never said a damn thing about it.

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garudi (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

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scipio (65) · 7 years ago

Both you, and @themarkymark bring up some valid points, as I see it.

Big kudos @noobsin to "tell it like you see it". Steemit needs much more of this: people feeling free to speak their mind instead of fear to get flagged. And that says nothing about my own perception, whether I agree with your points or not.

Indeed @themarkymark is doing a lot of good things on Steemit, and despite a few "provocative words" here and there written by @noobsin , I think you guys more or less agree on a lot of Steem-related issues!
You could become best friends even! :P

Steem on!

mattjack (51) · 7 years ago

One of the big problems of steem as I see it is that there are too many pathetic bootlickers who say what they think they will be rewarded for rather than maintaning moral integrity

So quite refreshing to see both that there are still users that say what they actually think and people with a lot of SP who stand and defend their opinion rather than downvoting the hell out of people for speaking their mind

As to the users abusing the airdrop as in stealing referals claiming the attestation fee multiple times we know who many of them are I dont think its right the let them maintain a high rep score simply downvote the fuckers into the ground

nuthman (69) · 7 years ago

The trick is to maintain moral integrity without being a jerk about it. I think many people find that level of diplomacy to be impossible for them.

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mattjack (51) · 7 years ago

There is also a fairly large amount of people who will say just about anything as long as they believe others will upvote

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goose20 (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

Perfect response.
Good to see there are people out there brave enough to call out the bull.

Well done.
👍

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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admiralbot (52) · 7 years ago

flagged for comment spam @steemflagrewards

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steemflagrewards (69) · 7 years ago

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

Your comments about other comments being comment spam is itself comment spam. Please stop adding to the spam...then summoning another spam bot. Every time you do this, you add twice as much spam as the original spammer...and you’re being rewarded for it, which you are apparently hypocritically opposed to when it comes to the original spammer.

In other words: You’re not the solution...you’re in fact a bigger problem.

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iamstan (62) · 7 years ago

Hello @ats-david,
I somewhat agree with you.
I am the co-owner of this account with my wife @lovenfreedom.
We created it to be a downvote bot to support our team of minnow abuse fighters _{@steemflagrewards}.
We are slowly building its rep and sp. We have one small delegation for this Admiral account now. We would like to never leave another comment on steemit with this account.
If you would help us find some delegations we could do that.

Then we would not have to leave any comments other than the first explanation to the account flagged.

All abuse fighting accounts on steemit leave a comment behind a flag so the account owner understands why they have been flagged. If you look on this post there are comments from spaminator as well that came after our flags and comments

Those comments appear above ours but they came after us and were upvoted above our comments.

If you can tell us a better way to fight abuse on steemit we are open ears.

We are investors in steem, all stake we own we purchased.

Fighting abuse is important to us.
I spend 12 hours a day most days of a week fighting abuse.
My wife and son make interesting posts about our homestead.
I hope you will work with us and help us find a good solution to this problem.

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flagfixer (54) · 7 years ago

@iamstan you were flagged by a worthless gang of trolls, so, I gave you an upvote to counteract it! Enjoy!!

anthonyadavisii (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hi @ats-david, we are working on making our bot only comment once per post. The comments are currently the mechanism for flaggers to receive rewards.

I do think we can devise another method. Maybe, the people can comment on the @steemflagrewards threads to receive their vote.

What do you think? Sound like a good solution?

We can make it happen. Thanks for the feedback!

P.S. I forgot that another reason for the flag comment is intended to educate, inform, and explain the flag to the user. With that in mind, one comment per flagged comment seems the better route but we can require follow on flags to reply to the original flag comments to keep them on their own thread.

flagfixer (54) · 7 years ago

@anthonyadavisii you were flagged by a worthless gang of trolls, so, I gave you an upvote to counteract it! Enjoy!!

kryptik (63) · 7 years ago

Please stop telling the spammer to stop spamming the other spammer because this is infact spam and part of the problem.

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dreamryder007 (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

"On a related note I would include the SBD pump here as another example where the community got high on free money and were blinded to the long term costs to the Steem Blockchain."

The real long term cost to the steem block chain is massive mismanagement and poor design. Who in there right mind designs a system and then punishes people for using the system the way it was designed .... and expects to grow.

For a fee I will tell you what can be done to make steem a top crypto currency :)

Also I do a free daily vote giveaway, drop by for some free $$$$

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sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

Exactly.

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mawit07 (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

I think you really point of byteball developers did not understand steemi that when they announced the requirements to receive airdrop. Like you mention the developers should immediately adjust the requirements like taking into an account's age.

Thanks for the post. Hope this doesn't spread any worse than it is.

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8 votes

tarmo888 (51) · 7 years ago (edited)

Or maybe they knew all too well? Have you consider that?
Original blog post stated very well that rewards for lower tiers would most likely to be changed.
You can't introduce too many restriction too early when it hasn't even gone viral yet.

dreamryder007 (67) · 7 years ago

tarmo888 you will find out most people and even whales have no concept of How To Business

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punqtured (58) · 7 years ago

Bingo!

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anarchonist (38) · 7 years ago

As a relatively new user I was disgusted by all the abuse. However I don't agree that making the airdrop more exclusive would be better for the community in the long term.

I definitely agree that it would have drastically reduced the abuse in the airdrop, but people like me would not have been able to participate. And I'm sure there were at least a few real people gained thanks to the airdrop.

There will always be those that game the system. That just highlights the need for more people like you who spend the time to weed them out. You seasoned people understand how to deter these abusers, and you're effective at it, without having the tools of a fascist platform like failbook.

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punqtured (58) · 7 years ago

It was exactly because of users like you, we decided to start out as we did. Obviously, we knew exactly what would happen, but had we started out more exclusively, it wouldn't have got the attention it got. When the abuse became too much, we made the change. But hopefully, we got a lot of "real" users on board too by doing it the way we did.

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zahid44 (25) · 7 years ago

I really hope that this airdrop is a huge success. It will attract more projects to organize such contests.

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ruah (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

This is nonsense actually, even those abuser create multiple account to receive the referral reward, they still need to have multiple device to get the reward.

If the sponsor device address is the same with the attestator device address both will not get any reward.
will people waste his time buying more device just for the sake of 10$ bucks?

I know your concern about the steem block chain, but the airdrop not make any damage as you see, actually it gives more exposure to steem blockchain.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

they still need to have multiple device to get the reward.

Actually, this is not true. You can create a wallet, do the airdrop, backup the seed, blow away the wallet, (if on PC you got to delete folder aftering doing the uninstall, on mobile you just delete and reinstall app) and reinstall the app and do the next one.

ruah (67) · 7 years ago

Possible but could be detected, again, the device information cannot be change, even they delete the folder the device information will still be the same as the first one. and I know byteball team is fighting the every possible abuse.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Possible but could be detected

Not "possible", it's a fact. I registered both of my main accounts and I know others have done tons. Detected? Doesn't matter, abusers will dump the funds onto Bittrex almost immediately. Even if they lost the smart contract funds, they still make out big.

victordaniels (51) · 7 years ago

You are correct!

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punqtured (58) · 7 years ago

You are absolutely right. To think that this behavior was completely unexpected by Byteball is a bit naive, really. As I wrote in a comment to the article, we just might have put quite a bit more thought behind this than people gives Byteball credit for.

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vividessor (47) · 7 years ago (edited)

If you delete your wallet, the steembot gets rebooted with the new wallet on the same device and you can attest with a different account. I don't think you can keep your smartcontract rewards unless you go back and restore all the wallets in a year. There is no way of dumping private keys from the wallets.

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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mikefromtheuk (56) · 7 years ago

Reputation level 50 is a long way off for me.

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drakos (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

There's always something wrong with airdrops, this is why I stopped participating in them. Plus, whenever there is free money, abuse follows.

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6 votes

mightyblueberry (55) · 7 years ago

You have certainly made the right decision. Quick money schemes always attract the worst kind of people. I have not participated in this airdrop and have no intention of doing so. I feel sorry for those that need to resort to cheap stunts just to make a couple of hundred bucks.

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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iamstan (62) · 7 years ago

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You should to read a post and comment on that post after you have read it. You don't have to, but if you continue to spam in the comment threads of trending posts your account will be destroyed. We are watching you!

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dhouse (57) · 7 years ago

its the wild wild west

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tyramisoux (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

They change to "referral system" only!
You're back in?
https://medium.com/byteball/byteball-steem-attestations-now-referral-by-link-only-8ec6c79276b5

The coin itself seems safe. It was just the kind they handled this ref thing.

What we need at steemit is better control over ones own posts and feed. Something like a real "block" function to add such kind of spammer lists you've provided.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Nice, I think this is a good move. I also like the other changes they made.

binance-trade (39) · 7 years ago

I already get my Airdrop bytes @themarkymark

jeffandhisguitar (66) · 7 years ago

I can't believe the cheek in making all of these accounts!
@dreamryder007 you are an asshole and are leading a bad example for others to follow.

itstime (60) · 7 years ago

Voted for witness ..

themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Thanks, it was time ;p

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eroche (67) · 7 years ago

Sure we all made money, but do you understand the cost?

Well said. It would be great to see the Byteball airdrop as a use case for Steem that we could hold up to the Crypto community of a successful airdrop where they achieved an effective distribution of their token to a community of potential participants, with minimal scamming. Given what you describe in your post I am not sure that is the case.

On a related note I would include the SBD pump here as another example where the community got high on free money and were blinded to the long term costs to the Steem Blockchain.

themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

On a related note I would include the SBD pump here as another example where the community got high on free money and were blinded to the long term costs to the Steem Blockchain.

We are still feeling the effects.

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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iamstan (62) · 7 years ago

How many times do you think I will have to flag you before you stop spamming with your comments?
Flagged for comment spam @steemflagrewards

therealwolf (75) · 7 years ago

Thank you @therealwolf for the heads up and putting me on the trail.

Pleasure is all mine. Even though it sucks to invest multiple hours into sh*t like that, it was quite entertaining to do it with you.

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dreamryder007 (67) · 7 years ago

You run a service that sells instant votes to rob others of curation, tell me again how you are noble?

garudi (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

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dunstuff (60) · 7 years ago

@garudi - could it be that you just have crappy posts? like, really?

this is TOTALLY adding to the quality of steemit

mattjack (51) · 7 years ago

I wouldn't say the airdrop did damage to the community.

What it did was show the real face of many of its members!

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9 votes

nitego (52) · 7 years ago

Exactly what i said. The people were corrupt before the #byteball airdrop.

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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mattjack (51) · 7 years ago

Should I be worried are u a stalker?

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ali14 (54) · 7 years ago

nice post,

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renej (40) · 7 years ago

Bots are the biggest problem in social platforms, they are a problem to facebook, to twitter, to steemit, bots need to be banished from social media with any sort of means

ammonite (67) · 7 years ago

I have heard that there are one or two good bots but I agree with you that it would probably be a better social world without them. Unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle and I fear we are stuck with them.

renej (40) · 7 years ago

i assume you are right, it depends on the steemit or other social network developers and their communities, if they accept the bots, or want a free bot network, im sure defence systems could be developed to identify and ban bots

ofc a monetary system causes ppl to become greedy, hence the application of bots is so popular, it is difficult to answer, i guess you can only tell once you have a social platform (tokenized) up and running that is trying to block bots 100% and see what is the difference in user experience (i know sapien.network will attempt it) in the end, the user decides and not a wishful idealogy haha

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maheksvyas (15) · 7 years ago

Now steemit will have to be very strict against spam writers to protect genuine writers.

claudiad (10) · 7 years ago

wow many make soo much money easy and me cant reach level +30

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silentscreamer (69) · 7 years ago

Haha. It was a matter of time. How long does it take people to find a way to game the system? Not long. But honestly who cares? Its byteball that needs to worry not Steem.
The only thing i see bad here is byteball posts taking up trending spots and referal link spam in my comment section.
But its always the same thing really. If you dont earn on Steem you resort to "criminal behaviour". Its really not "against the law" but its shitty and exploitative.
Its on byteball. At this point iitd be great if they shut it down and gone away.
Whats done is done.

phoneinf (72) · 7 years ago

Yeah.

And all these things that happens from time to time helps the network become more resilient and learn more about human behaviour. The ideal is that the reward pool share out works so well at giving everyone a slice of the pie that there is just no incentive to try to game the system. As we saw with Spotify. It made it so easy to play by the rules that little people has incentive to go download something illegally.

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reseller (74) · 7 years ago

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nitego (52) · 7 years ago

I will not blame this on the #byteball airdrop, rather on the nature of some people. They were of low morals before the airdrop. It was only a matter of time for something to make it show.

themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

I think it's a combination of both. It could have been done in a way that most of this would have been prevented, it was short-sighted.

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nathen007 (68) · 7 years ago

Another point of view is that perhaps the whales and dolphins lost their focus for a while too and a greedy mist descended in front of their eyes as they grabbed handfuls of referrals....you don't even need anyone to send you the bytes, you can attest yourself at a small cost.
Some may say, all the recent gripes about the airdrop is just moaning from people who had their referrals gravytrain hijacked...
It's a pity no one had thought of this when the first post was made by the Byteball team, but it was too late. Were there no background discussions between Byteball and Steem inc beforehand?
Is there an ethical difference between members taking the piss and creating millions of new accounts to make money to members desperately trying to get their hands on referral cash by offering to 'help' others attest their accounts ? Not sure there is.
It's a whole sorry affair that has again shown humanity at its worst.

noobsin (56) · 7 years ago

After the Bitconnect desaster no one ever dared to shill any coins on steemit again I thought. Byteballs desaster is by far not as terrible as Bitconneeeeect. Yet the actual teaching of Bitconnect is to fucking properly research the shit that you promote.

My feed is full of shills since 2 weeks or so. From people who I thought are legit and good users. And the reasoning behind the promotion is like "I can´t guarantee that it´s good, but I really think it is because hurr durr".

Just another omen that steemit is going downhills.

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nathen007 (68) · 7 years ago

What a great reply. Thanks for taking the time to comment :-)

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tarmo888 (51) · 7 years ago (edited)

Exactly, I am also seeing that people who complain most about the referral system are the people who profited most from these referrals, who made the referrals their "gravytrain".

Some even say big words like "they supported Byteball airdrop". I mean, what kind of support is that if you just making money from the referrals? Support would be if you explain the users that: "hey, you don't need any funds from somebody else, you can do it without my referral" and "here are ways how you can use Byteball with Steemit".

Most people missed the point of attestation too because the main function of attestation is to have a Byteball address in steem/username format, so others would not need to know any Steem user Byteball address, they could send Bytes directly to their username if they know that this user is using Byteball too.

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nathen007 (68) · 7 years ago

Totally agree mate, but Im just putting it down to a temporary loss of judgement in this particular case as @markymark is consistantly a great poster and top bloke who gives an awful lot of time and effort to the community and is my top witness.....some of the other whingers however.........

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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iamstan (62) · 7 years ago

Flagged for comment spam, follow me, follow you asking for upvotes and follows in comments is frowned upon.
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steemflagrewards (69) · 7 years ago

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nathen007 (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

Whilst I admire the work you do, It is my comment to which they replied and therefore my choice to reply. Instead of flaging people lile this who get no benefit and are nothing more than annoying,why not go after reward pool raping members who open multiple accounts with the sole aim of upvoting their own spam comments with their huge delegated SP? This is pathetic and you should only flag people who are reported. Lay off my posts ans comments. Youre only doing this to get rewards anyway @steemflagrewards @iamstan

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nathen007 (68) · 7 years ago

my comment, my choice

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iamstan (62) · 7 years ago

You can choose to love comment spammers it is your choice.
I talked to @themarkymark about this spammer on HIS post. And he agreed it is ok to be flagged. If you will look he/she/it has totally spammed this post.
I don't think there is a thread rule where the first person on a comment thread sets some rules for that thread! Maybe you should make a post about it to your followers and they can follow your thread rules.
Comment spam will be flagged no matter where it is on the blockchain.

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nathen007 (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

Congratulations, you're doing a fine job. The whole Steemit experience is so much better for your flags. So happy we have a gang of self happy flaggers wandering around flagging 25 rep 'comment spammers' who make zero difference to the rewards distribution whilst so many of the huge self upvoting dolphins and whales continue to autovote each other to riches and no one dare say or do anything....Do you not think if it so concerned people that anyone could flag a 25repper from view, yet most choose not to. I reached outto this one, anyway.
Like I said, awesome work. carry on, I consider myself berated.........

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iamstan (62) · 7 years ago

@nathen007 actually we give them a break if they are really new. But someone who has been on steemit for a bit and has only posted Plagiarism and spam doesn't need to be here. That account is one of those cases.

We hope to remove them or change them before they can build a rep that can not be punished.

I agree with you that we have many large stake holders that abuse the system and I would love to be able to stop them. Until everyone is involved in the process of flagging abuse it will never happen.
I cant do it alone, but what I do all day every day is try to clean our steemit of all abuse not just 25 rep accounts. We are working on things you cant see or dont know about.
Please dont think that what you see is all we do.
Come by our discord server and find out the truth before you frown on us for trying to make steemit a better place for investors of time and money to participate.

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nathen007 (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

I absolutely apologise. Having a frustrating grumpy day and took it out on the first person who crossed my path. I am sorry.
Thank you for replying and an apology to Markymark for continuing this convo on his post.

I've thrown hundreds of flags in my time and reported countless to the Steamcleaners, I noticed your bot asking Bernie for a delegation earlier in the week about the multiple accounts bought on microworkers, I was originally the one who picked up the buying of accounts there and reported it. I even wrote about in a post just after I first joined Steemit last november, no one gave a damn. Its not just the one person you know doing that, there are at least a couple more, doing it rather more discreetly, and one of those i know for definite who it is, they have some big name autovotes and they are a 60+ repper, their posts are bought articles and their pics from google and they make hundreds per crap post...No one will touch them. Like no one dares to say anything bad against the greedy circle jerking autovoting dolphins here.
On Steem, there is an untouchable royal family.
I mostly hang out i n 'new' and last week I watched all the new accounts being voted up by the bid bots for 3sbd each to get them over the 30rep mark and be able to claim their Bytes airdrop.....no one appeared to be doing anything about it, and now the said bidbot owners are up in arms about people sniping their referrals.
One well known robbing resteem scammer even threatened to kill me in comments after he refused to return 36sbd someone sent him in error and I called himout about it, he then copped some flags from somene else on his upvoting accounts, then flagged a full weeks posts and comments worth about 50usd, told me his 'people' knew where I lived and would kill me! Its all on the blockchain to see. Hes a robber and a scumball, but again, no one gives a fuck.
This is why many are too afraid to get involved,
Too much corrupt fucktardery here, its just a computer game where the most devious, or already wealthy person wins. I get frustrated
This is why I got grumpy at the spam comment flagging. A crap reason, but not an excuse. I was bang out of order with my attitude.
Apologies once more @iamstan I will try and catch up with you and your crew sometime on discord as I could give you hundreds of leads.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend

iamstan (62) · 7 years ago

https://steemit.com/@ayustevanni12 here is one small example for you

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nathen007 (68) · 7 years ago

Thank you my friend, welcome aboard :-)
Apologies for my tiny upvote!

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tyramisoux (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

The bot does not work very well! Maybe I was late.
My idea was just it is a good idea to help people asking for money! Nothing bad about that.
A bigger problem was the spam and all those greedy ref-hunters.
Latest news is they stopped the "Referral game" now.

I do not see any weakness or possibilities to hack the system itself! Your Money is safe and can be spent in a safe it. Guess it is my favorite Alt-Coin now.

catweasel (56) · 7 years ago

You've had my vote a long time I believe. This article is why. I had no idea byteball was harming steemit. @enchantedspirit and I jumped straight onboard, as was our right. We, of course, are not part of the problem. Is there any way for steemit itself to enforce the rules you suggest in a future airdrop?

Trust me, I'm a doctor.

https://steemit.com/funny/@cartman/my-reaction-to-the-byteballs-steem-air-drop#@cryptkeeper17/re-cartman-my-reaction-to-the-byteballs-steem-air-drop-20180718t023455593z

cryptkeeper17 (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hit the nail on the head again, the biggest, #1, by far problem here is spam accounts, people having thousands of them. Why not ad a captcha type system to have some level of proof of humanity. @abh12345 does an interaction league every week and his data and similar data is a great start to real interaction. Although based on his preferences at how he would like to see steemians interact, it provides a great deal of accuracy in how much people are on steemit, leaving legit comments, doing legit posts, interacting on other posts. To find a suitable algorithm to not take away an account but to cripple it if it meets certain parameters of looking and talking like a robot. I would be offended if I were put on that list, but I would surely prove my humanity very quickly to those that headed up the operation. Pretty hard to write 10,000 genuine reply letters for you account being crippled/cut in reputation, or whatever the method to fix this problem that is out of control here on the platform. Ask the byteball people if we have a spam account problem, they could likely give you a pretty educated guess on that already.

ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago (edited)

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admiralbot (52) · 7 years ago

flagged for comment spam @steemflagrewards

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steemflagrewards (69) · 7 years ago

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

sorry

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nokodemion (59) · 7 years ago

@themarkymark Where can I reach out to you, want to ask you something?

sultnpapper (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

Could you please explain what steps or solutions the steem witnesses are taking to fix this "fragile" and "easy to game" REP system that is currently in use? That would seem to me to be a sort of important issue for the future.

oups (63) · 7 years ago

"Reklamın iyisi kötüsü olmaz" - There is no such thing as bad publicity.
This is the 3rd post about byteball from you for example. Few discord servers raided by byteball conversations and etc. If they choose to do what you are suggesting right now. They would accomplish a "successful" airdrop, by spending less but reaching lesser. I wouldn't bother to ask for an invite if I didn't see everyone was talking about it.

Everyone knows the Steem rep system is easily gamed in both directions.

Yep everyone knows it so I assume they do too.

Why bother writing engaging useful original content when you can automate plagiarism and spam and get similar rewards? Allowing these users to thrive has a massive effect on the mindset and actions of others around them.

I'm not a writer but out of curiosity how many people actually earning something with their content here?
I'm following a few creators they keep writing daily, but even their earnings come from bid-bots, or self-votes with delegated powers. Such as this post.

Maybe people should stop presenting this place as "Earn with publishing blog posts", "How much did you earn from Facebook so far".

Come here, invest some, play the game, earn some and get out. Would be more appropriate.

meemee (66) · 7 years ago

Thank you @oups for your contribution...of a truth I don't earn anything on steemit. Great post

ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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deliberator (63) · 7 years ago

You keep posting nonsense stop spam comment s
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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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futurefarmers (59) · 7 years ago

flagged for comment spam @steemflagrewards

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steemflagrewards (69) · 7 years ago

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emmakkayluv (58) · 7 years ago

This is nothing but the truth.

More damages has been done to the steem blockchain as a result of this bytes airdrop.

One more thing to those solutions you mentioned up there is that no matter the age of the account, if an account is not active for certain period of time, it shouldn't be considered at all.

fouaz (48) · 7 years ago

agree

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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futurefarmers (59) · 7 years ago

flagged for comment spam @steemflagrewards

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steemflagrewards (69) · 7 years ago

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sohaibomer (61) · 7 years ago

The present form is only a down to business usage with a specific end goal to get the device out to everybody as quickly as time permits, yet after some time I would like to grow the site to be a far reaching asset for new and even experienced Steemers to figure out how to advance their function on Steem.

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vividessor (47) · 7 years ago

The byteball airdrop could only have allowed accounts created by steem. This would have solved the multiple account problem.

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trending42 (44) · 7 years ago

steem will recover :)

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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deliberator (63) · 7 years ago

You keep posting nonsense stop spam comment s
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steemflagrewards (69) · 7 years ago

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wehmoen (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

When it comes down to it, making money is #1 in crypto and technology is a far 2nd. Although many claims their motives are the reverse, it is almost never true.

Free money is free money if your local pizza store has a free pizza Friday, would you take advantage of it?

wehmoen (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

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zayushz (47) · 7 years ago

yeah bro that's true byteball has ruined our whole steemit community by spreading spam and fake accounts already ...
but many peoples have also earned something which will surely help them to succeed somewhere

@themarkymark

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tarmo888 (51) · 7 years ago

Byteball is not spreading anything, Steemit users are doing that.

I tired to keep up to date with many of the post about Byteball and most of them are really really bad, people just posting the same process of how to get the free Bytes over and over again (only difference, every body included their own referral link, everything else is same).
Only few actually looked into what it's about, everyone else were just blinded by free money.
Fake accounts were on Steem already before Byteball, also spam bots. I still keep getting messages from same bot advertising their service every time I promote any post. Steem is full of upovoting bots and reputation is a joke because you can buy it.

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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effofex (62) · 7 years ago

flagged for comment spam @steemflagrewards

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anujkumar (13) · 7 years ago

Resteemed and upvoted @themarkymark

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zayan69 (45) · 7 years ago

There's always something wrong with airdrops, this is why I stopped participating in them. Plus, whenever there is free money, abuse follows.
Maybe someone who doesn't believe in Steem has motivated because of quick bucks they earned on Steem blockchain. Although there are people who made their many fake accounts there is a possibility that someone created their real account and want to get their reputation higher because Byteball Airdrop based their airdrops on Reputation.
Another point of view is that perhaps the whales and dolphins lost their focus for a while too and a greedy mist descended in front of their eyes as they grabbed handfuls of referrals....you don't even need anyone to send you the bytes, you can attest yourself at a small cost.
Some may say, all the recent gripes about the airdrop is just moaning from people who had their referrals gravytrain hijacked...
It's a pity no one had thought of this when the first post was made by the Byteball team, but it was too late. Were there no background discussions between Byteball and Steem inc beforehand?
Is there an ethical difference between members taking the piss and creating millions of new accounts to make money to members desperately trying to get their hands on referral cash by offering to 'help' others attest their accounts ? Not sure there is.
It's a whole sorry affair that has again shown humanity at its worst.

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donato (27) · 7 years ago

that's cool in some how. I don't like plagiarism but I like money like everyone. Shame that I get lost since I created this account! :(

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preetika (51) · 7 years ago

We should learn from it and.... Let the past bury the dead.

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markeverlasting (48) · 7 years ago (edited)

yea, i might not be onthis blockchain too much longer as it seems to be for bots and self serving whales who circle jerk and nobody needs that.

I'm glad I didn't invest any real money until I did a couple of months on here, and so far, I really don't see any reason to invest any rwc for this. Yes Steem could be wonderful but right now it's just for those who know how to game the system and it's not helping the avg steemian......

I'll just keep doing more research on the platform but so far, I'm not liking the results, the platform is a great idea, the participation is lacking.

Anyway, thanks for reading this comment
Have a nice day and Steemon

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gray00 (57) · 7 years ago

I think bullying like similar to what happened with Banfield is a bigger problem. Reminds me of Facebook and that is sad.

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abdduulah (25) · 7 years ago

I see some genuine problems with how byteball is organizing this. Why is there is no time limit mentioned about when will this end ?

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faisalsah (28) · 7 years ago

Such issues can arise. I see that the people participating in Airdrops are becoming smart and thus projects have to be one step ahead to avoid abuse.

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stabilowl (63) · 7 years ago

Whenever there is a loophole, there is bound to be people who would exploit it

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hemmahato (25) · 7 years ago

I like the way they had added comment in updated rules that they will keep making necessary changes. So basically, the spammers will be dealt with based on what new approach they use now.

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nithin7237 (42) · 7 years ago

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jeyjey17 (38) · 7 years ago

Will you help get a reputation of 40? I miss only 0.4 rep

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cryptolovr (47) · 7 years ago

hi nice info @themarkymark but i have only 25 reputaion how can i get free airdrop

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keeshiaxxi (41) · 7 years ago

I agree with referral abuse. I know a friend who knew about byteball, and shared it to our community. It resulted to betrayal among his mates who he had shared with the said program.

The scheme was, my friend was the one who teaches the newbies how to use the program, but little did he know, he was already taken advantage by someone he knew. You already what I mean, so yeah. I could say it's a little toxic for friendship's.

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devkapoor423 (47) · 7 years ago (edited)

It's good to here about this update, Steemit block chain is one of the best block chain. Yet people like #dreamryder007 are misusing this block chain to earn more and more.

Everyuser should support our witness to keep safe secure and strong Steemit.
And there is place for scammers. Steemit will be neat and clean from scammers.
Byteball is one of the best Coin with very less supply and it has huge potential. But after launching free airdrop on Steemit people started doing wrong to earn more n more airdrop coins.
But I think new changes with Help to stop scams in Steemit platform.
@themarkymark, you arethe only witness whom I strongly support..
And I noticed that there are lots of changes done by you on Steemit to keep it scam free..

Posted using Partiko Android

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago (edited)

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spaminator (68) · 7 years ago

Source
When you copy/paste or repeatedly type the same comments you could be mistaken for a bot.

More information:
The Art of Commenting
Comment Classifications

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admiralbot (52) · 7 years ago

flagged for comment spam @steemflagrewards

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steemflagrewards (69) · 7 years ago

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mightyblueberry (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

I have flagged several of your comments 'I am following you' as spam. Please stop spamming or more serious action will be taken against your account. Do I make myself clear?

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devkapoor423 (47) · 7 years ago

Hey @mightyblueberry plzz clarify me, whom you are warning??
you are warning to me or @ritushekhawat.

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mightyblueberry (55) · 7 years ago

Oh sorry, let me clarify.

Your comment is fine. My warning is to @ritushekhawat. This account has used the 'I am following' comment over a dozen times in quick succession .

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codingdefined (68) · 7 years ago

I guess some of them have already done to stop gaming the system

To be eligible for rewards the to be attested Steem account must have been created on July 12, 2018 or earlier;

Accounts created after July 12 can still refer other users and earn referral rewards, just not attestation rewards;

Rewards for the rep 30–40 and 40–50 brackets have been halved to combat the profitability of buying upvotes to boost your reputation.

Check Here : https://medium.com/byteball/steem-attestation-announcement-modified-rules-4d1bc4bf4458

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

I mentioned in the post they changed the guidelines, but not completely to solve the problems.

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rahulpawar (39) · 7 years ago

This blog looks quite helpful for me as I was thinking of Byteball. I am not sure if we are taking step towards Spam !!

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alokkumar121 (76) · 7 years ago

Hey @themarkymark thanks for such post. I sincerely argue people to stop spamming in steemit platform in the name of byteball. Now a days there are dozen of posts across steemit in the name of byteball giveaway.
we must stand together and
We must support our platform instead eyeballing for such few dollar deals. May be in future steemit team does something to prevent this but as of now I support you in this cause request all my friends over here to support.

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deadspace (69) · 7 years ago

I guess I should feel proud of myself for being too lazy to bother with that airdrop.Clearly my laziness is an accomplishment, and everyone should try to do what I do, as it's the only way to feel this damn good about yourself.

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crypto-econom1st (57) · 7 years ago

I don't think these are issues caused by Byteball. Those issues were already in the blockchain. And I'm almost sure they will remain to be here for a long time.

For example, this again proves the account creation process sucks!
Doesn't matter if the accounts were approved by Steemit, although that would makes things look even much worse!
Were all those accounts approved by Steemit?

Even if those new accounts were bought, then it's still a big issue. Cause most likely a witness made this possible. or at least someone else was.

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cryptoandcoffee (74) · 7 years ago

I could see the abuse happening especially when someone created a post with their referral link. Other users were then stealing the referrals by hijacking the comments section on the post. They placed their links for the referrals on the comments section which is a little underhanded.

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jedibaru (45) · 7 years ago

Thank you.
I am amazed by people that can track this stuff and then creare a post about it. I am not on here enough to track this stuff. I just want to read educational material that is well researched and share information that I believe is helpful. Exploits like this deminish the credibility of this system.

There are so many places to scam on line, why leave just a few alone.

Why cant we get along?
Because we choose not to.

We have created a world system that creates the feeling that “you have to fuck people over to get a head.” We perpetuate the dog eat dog reality to justify our the end justify the means attitudes. And then that person dies of cancer

If we want to make the world a better place for all - it begins with you!

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mehdinaqvi (45) · 7 years ago

What's a Click?

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farrohahulfa (42) · 7 years ago

a deep and very argumentative study I like the way you describe your views

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online87700 (44) · 7 years ago

this is the best of oppurtunity given by this platfrom , i am sure this will also motivate people to work on this platform

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dipanjanmondal (25) · 7 years ago

That's very bad and depressing, these users must be busted from STEEMIT.
Though STEEMIT copyright policy is not that strict like any other social media platform.

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ritushekhawat (18) · 7 years ago

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prabhabisht (41) · 7 years ago

How to grow this platform??
I'm new here.
@themarkymark

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bolot (25) · 7 years ago

cool

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anushka0902 (29) · 7 years ago

Hey guys follow me for trending ICO reviews:)

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aluyeah (39) · 7 years ago

lol.. a very true post

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kingdales (31) · 7 years ago

Well you’ll agree that more positive effect has been done than negative.

Well looking at it from a female’s perspective, a lot of people had gained from this airdrop even if it by crook’s way but it was a way brought out by the Airdrop and steemit themselves. Do you not think they know what they are doing?...

Remember when BTC was first trending too and a lot of people complain about others mining and they are buying it. It’s not about.

If you want to make money with you airdrop you have to loose some and create something like a backlinks and I don’t think byteball’s backlink is ever a demerit to anyone

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taksheel (41) · 7 years ago

Not qualifed ... :( :( :(

pls upvote to uplift my mood. :)

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amanthakur1997 (45) · 7 years ago

Steemit will grow inspite of this

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experiment (51) · 7 years ago

Re-steeming, and you have my vote for witness tmm.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Thanks :)

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cryptoguru1 (47) · 7 years ago

Very interesting, It is a shame that these people can keep getting away with this, I am following you now, please do the same

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farhankhan4321 (27) · 7 years ago

I am following you

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rossy5 (34) · 7 years ago

I really agree with what I read this.

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text2crypto (55) · 7 years ago

I agreed with the author. To avoid the spammers in steem blockchain atleast 50 reputation idea is solid to do so.

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adsouza (29) · 7 years ago

i up vote.......... please up vote my post

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jbautista74 (47) · 7 years ago

You're a good one!

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angrytwin (44) · 7 years ago

having to be a member for 3-6 months to participate probably would have stopped most of the abuse

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regina80 (42) · 7 years ago

I strongly agree with you that spam and plagiarism are not very good in this steem community. The effort is very low and hurts the desired goal.
Hopefully the members who do so can be aware of their errors and require firm action.

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bolot (25) · 7 years ago

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postpromoter (63) · 7 years ago

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felix.herrmann (65) · 7 years ago

interesting remarks - will read through it and push it through German steem community @herrmanns.weekly

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drmohammed (64) · 7 years ago

i hope you help me to reach reputation 30 by votes
this is my address to send the fee
6BBM6PFN5T4FNWYKHVWDXK5HTD3HHAGO
thanks

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joyrozario (50) · 7 years ago

You have posted a very improvidence write. i think this is a post from it you can take some spacial knowledge. Such as

Referral Sniping
2.Spam and Bot Abuse
3.Gateway Drug And most importance thing is number
your thought ( which is really loved by me )

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

I saw Byteball changed the rules so your account needed to exist for a while and you got less for lower reps, but it was too late to catch some. I expect they learnt something from this experience.

How are people creating all these accounts? Do they buy them? I heard that some people created hundreds via the standard signup and others paying people to create accounts for them. HF20 is supposed to help matters, but I'd hate to see a flood of spam accounts.

I've done fairly well from Byteball, but I know others nabbed referrals that were aimed at me. That was inevitable.

Maybe companies need to work closer with Steemit Inc and/or some whales when they want to run a promotion like this.

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punqtured (58) · 7 years ago

To believe we had no clue what would happen would be rather naive. And to think there was panic when users started buying rep boosts or launching various bots couldn't be further from the truth. Distributing millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency isn't something you do just from a quick idea ;-)

goose20 (50) · 7 years ago

"Distributing millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency" - what the?

No you didn't. You just distributed millions of tokens. What they are worth is time relative.

6 months ago it was 10s of millions of dollars, today millions of dollars, and tomorrow maybe PEANUTS.

More concentration on distributing your tokens as tokens (all the best with that) and less discussion about giving out free money would be a positive move (unless I've missed the post where you state you'll be on a street corner somewhere handing out bills).

Just my 2c
😊

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tarmo888 (51) · 7 years ago

If people are willing to pay millions of dollars for them then they are millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency. If it is tomorrow worth maybe only peanuts then this distribution distributed peanuts, but since it has been going on already a week and many users have cashed out the part they can cash out now (some have even payed for their breakfast with it) - it will never be just a distribution of peanuts.

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

I'm sure you had this well planned, but it's hard to predict what will happen. I have to say that apart from when the system went down for a while it's been a good experience for me. I had to compete to get referrals, but I managed a few. I used one of the bots to cash out some of what I made. That will be useful. I think you were brave to take on this challenge and you did very well.

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gbemy (42) · 7 years ago

I did not get my bytes too when I downloaded it. What could have gone wrong?

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ehizzy (45) · 7 years ago

Guess people will never stop looking for ways to exploit a system.

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solobaby (32) · 7 years ago

Nice post

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amontecal1 (42) · 7 years ago

it's excellent this is my address: QMEOTFNQICMQL5ASUHXX3JIBYYSEWJYS

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steem-bijik (44) · 7 years ago

Nice post

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jraysteem (60) · 7 years ago

i agree some of your views... hopefully this airdrop attract more investor on steem and byteball. actually im waiting almost 1day. but until not i didn recieve an airdrop from byteball

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coquiunlimited (58) · 7 years ago

I was completely unaware this was going on. 😠

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yacino16 (15) · 7 years ago

you're wrong my friend I find this airdrop a good way to make money for free

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ali1357 (35) · 7 years ago

You clear all my confusion.

Thank You.

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dan90 (63) · 7 years ago

Pretty obvious this would happen lol

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bquiel (32) · 7 years ago

The community should believe in the technology and the system of steem.People who are just looking for profit should be banned...there must be a shuttle down of these bots.

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nicnas (66) · 7 years ago

I didn't even realize the amount of work people would put in to take advantage of such amazing opportunities like this. People are just greedy and that is very unfortunate. Hopefully this type of thing will be fixed by steem and byteball as well as I hope neither of these blockchains are affected long term.

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lucyho (45) · 7 years ago

I didn't even get the airdrop tokens

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steemflow (72) · 7 years ago

This is an awsome review of growing byteball mania over steem blockchain. The observation is true to the facts that my many known one already raked 200 $ to 300 $ via different means and referring....with the fake accounts created only for accomadating multiple byteball do create a vaccum on steem blockchain as these accounts are not going to add anything over steem blockchain. Thanks @themarkymark for heads up...though bit late already the exploitation done steem blockchain.......resteeming for the good cause!👍

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beggars (64) · 7 years ago

Byteball has spammed up my feed. Every day I see a new post about this "amazing free airdrop for Steemians" seemingly everyone is trying to get in on the action. The fact someone made a bot to snipe the addresses was inevitable given how easy it is.

People go crazy and throw their morals out of the window when free money is involved.

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