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in centralizedshitcoin •  6 years ago 

Of course markets aren't free, but people are free to make choices in the market and this determines the success of corporations.

In socialism, the people can't choose and thus people can't make better choices.

But about the wages.. this is data regarding average wages in the US:

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Do you not understand how inflation and lack of minimum wage tie works? "averages" are up because big money CEOs make more money but the actual middle class median worker makes the same, and the dollar inflates and becomes less valuable, so people making $10/h for a decade lose value over time. This chart is meaningless as it doesn't factor literally anything.

In socialism, people can choose whatever they want, people are just compensated by the value of their work instead of the CEOs stealing it all. Please try a bit harder.

In other words, the problems we're seeing are because of state intervention in the market place vis-a-vis monetary inflation. CEOs don't steal anything. You literally contract your time and energy out in exchange for compensation via a medium of exchange (in most cases). No one is stealing anything, unless you think voluntary contracts are theft. Which, of course, is absurd nonsense and invalidates human beings choosing anything.

Take your pick, chief. Either way, socialism is garbage. It's only less garbage compared to communism, which is downright evil and denies humanity.

CEOs steal all of the profit from labor, and give you a small slice of what the total value is. That's evil garbage. If someone can sit on a chair for 3 minutes and make more money than an entire nation does in a day, then there is a problem. Licking the boots of rich people won't make you rich, it makes you brainwashed.

It is theft because it is the only option presented.

It is theft because it is the only option presented.

In nature, you work or you starve to death. Is nature stealing from you, too?

We are civilized, nature is irrelevant. Ancap (assuming you're ancap as your username has anarcho in it and you're entirely ignorant of actual anarchist principals) is a fundamentally unstable and unmanageable form of society, it will not and cannot happen under any circumstance unless there's some nuclear war (see: The Fallout Franchise).

The way you see the world is very unfortunate. By default, your worldview automatically declares disabled people as worthless, which is pretty horrifying to think. Just because somebody cannot "work" doesn't mean they are useless. An automated society unburdened by labor is free to prosper in the creative and intellectual pursuits indefinitely, which creates a much brighter society.

So, still no answer to the question I asked you? It's a simple question. Everything you've written is just a non-sequitur.

the answer is yes, learn to read and learn to comprehend language. Very useful skills, that is, unless you really do want to go back to the jungles.

Yes isn't a valid response to how two people that want to use the same resource at the same time resolve their conflict absent ownership. Try again. Maybe this time without inane remarks. They're not doing you any favors.

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Well according to global statistics, people with the lowest income have improved their situation the most and rich less than them.

I'm baffled by the sheer amount of CEOs if they can affect the average income statistics like this.

Well lucky for us, the situation of the poor has been improving, so it's hard to be upset at the system.

situation for the poor has been improving

where do you live?

Why would it matter?
Just some global poverty data https://ourworldindata.org/poverty-at-higher-poverty-lines

You can find smoe extremely interesting data, total amount of poverty over the past decades. Just this one chart:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population-by-per-capita-household-consumption

You can see that in start of 1980's there were over a billion people earning less than $1.25 per day. 2013 it was less than half a billion.
The markets have become increasingly free and poverty has dropped. Povety doesn't decrease alone with technology.

If you are not American, I can understand being ignorant to the ways of what I'm mostly discussing, for more European countries, global capitalism doesn't affect them as directly and as harshly as it does here.

Give this article a read for me.
https://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagnation/

Wait, so you're talking only about US while talking about "global capitalism"?
If you're talking only about US, don't try to make it a global issue.

The statistics are also somehow limited. It only compares the changes in salaries in different classes, but not the total sizes of the classes and the impact in total. You are right in that the average is increasing because "the rich" are getting more, but also because people are moving up in income classes. The amount of people in lower income classes is shrinking and more people are moving up to higher income classes.
http://www.aei.org/publication/yes-the-us-middle-class-is-shrinking-but-its-because-americans-are-moving-up-and-no-americans-are-not-struggling-to-afford-a-home/

This can also explain why average income is increasing.

The thing about it is that the US is one of the most influential nations with some of the most influential billionaires that enact what I refer to as global capitalism negatively on other nations that are very impoverished (africa, middle east, etc), it is the example that late-stage capitalism is horrendous, and a few other countries (the uk, for example) have higher movements to adapt more US-like economics which is the infection that I am referring to.

There's also the fact that every human on earth can live a comfortable life and starvation and suffering and sweatshops don't need to exist (china is a big one here), but they do anyway because rich people like to help themselves and not others.

This study doesn't seem accurate to me, living here, everyone I know and everywhere I go there's a homelessness crisis and debt crisis. Note, also, that young people are most affected by these issues.

My point is that capitalism and "free" markets are a myth. The more "free" the market, in time, them more corrupt it gets, and this is why we need regulations in place to prevent monopolies and ultimate corruption. Communistic societies do not have this issues as the wealth is shared and we all work together as a species to do what's best for each other. Just look at Sci-Fi movies and novels, most societies you see in these stories are far more communistic than capitalistic, because it's the right direction to go.

Well currently it seems that capitalism has reduced the amount of starvation and suffering, at least according to the global statistics, even though you want to brush it off with "technology".

Personal experiences do not override large scale statistics. While you might see homelessness and different issues around you, it seems that in total the trend is that the issues like that are decreasing. 20-30 years ago you would have seen more homelessness and poverty.

Just like someone saying "I'm rich and all my friends are rich, so I don't believe in poverty" doesn't override the fact poverty still exists.

This is the issue with "US capitalism", as the "free markets" don't exisist specially strongly there. It's strictly regulated and Europe in general has more freedom in the markets. Maybe you could need some capitalism in your system which could help US to fight poverty better.

Regulations tend to create monopolies instead of fighting them.

Communistic societies have issues that there is no wealth to be shared and people are less likely to work. This is a reason why the Sci-Fi is fiction. It seems it's fiction that communism would work.