I am pretty well versed in AI. It has been a passion of mine since I first learned of it in the early 80s as a young programmer. :) I am not one that fears it.
Also thinking OUTSIDE OF THE BOX is subjective. We kind of all build our own boxes.
Some random and procedural elements can make the outside of the box for a computer fast and way faster than us. Yet those of use that have studied random and procedural tend to know they are not typically truly random. So you could say perhaps there is a BOX there.
I don't believe my dream where we were thinking outside of the box for them is real, but it definitely was an interesting dream. I had fun with it and I was very amused by where my mind took me.
It felt more like I was watching an episode of Black Ice. My last two dreams have felt like that. It could have something to do with my wife and I watching all of those over the past few weeks. :)
I've messed with Turing Machines a lot, and in games I really like to design emergent systems. So yes this TOO is a passion of mine. I like to think, I like to think about thinking, and I've long liked to think about making my computer think.
What I mean is more literal. Like, take our current computers. Run as long as they like, with as complex of algorithms as you can imagine, and no computer will ever think of a 2.
Solve the best order of slicing the bread and meat and lettuce, which order to mayonnaise the bread and stack the filling, and a computer will astonish us in what order it does thing in to make a sandwhich efficiently.
If you ever look into great inventors, they all describe a moment of clarity where they saw a thing that didn't exist. The greeks called these muses. And, they are literally outside the box events. There is no amount of churning inside the box that would ever get us some of the things we have now.
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As far as we know. :) I try not to say never, or always. No way for me to prove such things.
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This is something I know, but it is also something I cannot prove.
You see, my life has been one of getting outside my boxes... only to find myself in a bigger box. Analysing my thinking before and after, I have realized that there is no amount of thinking that would get one outside the box. The "epiphany" as you have said, came from outside.
Also, the universe is a box. There are thoughts that we cannot think. But, I cannot describe them, I cannot quantify them, I cannot tell anyone else of them. There is no proof that I could ever give. Because, to do so, I would have to change the universe to include that thing/thought. And, once I did that, the universe would become bigger... and the proof would poof.
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And I believe the term you are describing is "epiphany". Would this be accurate? I have experienced such moments myself.
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Speaking on AIs, why haven't we built a virus scanner AI? All we use is pattern matching to search for viruses. And that only catches viruses that have been found by humans previously. It is very easy for a skilled human to notice a virus, why not an AI?
Besides the fact that Mircosloth and Boogle are the number one creators of viruses.
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What a nice post, and nice conversation you two are having here!
It's useful to think about the inmune system. The body needs the right lymphocyte to be around when an antigen is attacking. Just like with computer viruses, there is an unlimited number of possible ones, so how do our bodies handle the issue? There seems to be an interplay between random and non-random lymphocyte production. So if there is no detected threat production will be mostly random, but when there is a threat many copies of the appropiate lymphocyte are made. Also, it isn't well understood how, but despite this randomness healthy bodies don't suffer from "false positives" (imagine a spread of malicious white cells!). Would you grant the inmune system the status of "intelligent" given that it manages to fight against the best virus creator (evolution)?
Genetic algorithms are one way in which these insights are being used in programs but they do create a "box" within which the program's creativity is confined. Nevertheless, how would we know if our creativity has or doesn't an analogous box?
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They kind of do attempt to do that with heuristics... the problem becomes the FALSE positives. We could teach a machine to identify them, but what about false positives?
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By thinking outside the box! :-p
There are two types of viruses, internal acting and external acting.
Internal ones are trying to muck up the system. These should be fairly easy to identify if we actually had real sandboxing operating systems. It would be nice if an AI identified them, suspended them, and then told the user about it.
The external ones: How do you tell the difference between pockymon go and a virus telling the world all your information. Well, this is most easily done with actually understanding the internet. Like, this program is wanting to go out to shady bars in the slum parts of town... suspicious.
Lots of work to be done in this field. But it probably won't take off until microsloth is forced to clean up their act. When the real pushback to big brother happens.
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the external one is more known as a Worm I would think. Still get's lumped in with viruses when talking of detection though.
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