Steemians: What&#x27;s your economic philosophy?

runicar (72) · 7 years ago

Bitcoin and lending platforms are made to fail and when they do that's when the economic colapse will happen. That's why Invest in some altcoins like BAT, verge and cardano.

Fuck fiat, get crypto.

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zheimberg (41) · 7 years ago

In theory Libertarianism sounds like a good philosophy – but, in my opinion, it doesn't factor in the human condition (i.e. greed, ego) therefore it cannot do what Government should be doing: protecting its people. I believe there are some things the government has no business controlling (i.e. forced pregnancies) and there are some things that have no business being for-profit (i.e. health care). I am not sure what to label myself other than left leaning.

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mattclarke (68) · 7 years ago

The government is made up of people.

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liberosist (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

The solution is a government made of good people, at least to some extent. Easier to achieve that an entire society of good people. Still very, very hard, of course. Some societies may never achieve it. Needs tons of patience, cultural evolution, quotidian effort and time, but not impossible. (E.g. Iceland)

I would be for libertarianism in a society where every last (well, almost) person was compassionate and altruistic. Till then, good governance - with minimal intervention in only the areas that need it - is the ideal solution. One rarely seen, of course.

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mattclarke (68) · 7 years ago

If you don't trust people with freedom, you shouldn't trust them with power.

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zheimberg (41) · 7 years ago

Yes indeed. There are some people who are responsible enough to make sound judgement therefore can be trusted with SOME power. The States, unfortunately, is currently experiencing the dark side of human nature: many people currently in power do not seem evolved enough to handle unregulated freedom let alone power.

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markkujantunen (74) · 7 years ago

The solution is a government made of good people, at least to some extent.

The solution is transparency, each and every time. You can't expect a position of power not to be exploited by bad people unless you make it very difficult to get away with wrongdoing.

Countries with relatively little corruption and crime did not get that way because they're inhabited by superior people. The got like that by having long-standing traditions of distributed power structures. The cultural evolution that you speak of is part of it but it is entirely enabled by the "vertical of power" being low and flat, allowing for checks and balances. If conditions remain that way, it fosters honesty because it is easier to be successful that way. But the risk of backsliding is always there.

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lucylin (67) · 7 years ago

transparency is the answer.
Hold everyone to account, from the grassroots up...

A lot of the problems we see today, would never even have had the chance to develop, with openness in the system.

Very good point.

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ghyassine (10) · 7 years ago

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lavater (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

Anarchy. I don't believe in taxes, but still would like to see a basic income through Natural Resources shares (Natural Resources are our common inheritance and must be shared)
Free market for everything else, with only guiding rule the principle of non-aggression towards people, property and the environment.
I'm an anarchist at heart but also see online direct democracy (liquid democracy with forums replacing congress) as something I could live with. with at least 90%+ consensus among all citizens for any rule to be approved. Anarchy requires 100% consensus but I doubt that will ever be possible unless in very tight nit communities.

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davidpakman (76) · 7 years ago

how would that work in practice? Can you point to successful implementations of an anarchist system?

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lavater (53) · 7 years ago

only in my dreams for now. Unfortunately every single corner of this planet is occupied by an armed tyrannical government.
Liberland (I'm sure you've heard) may obtain some small territory in former Yugoslavia to experiment libertarianism. I hope some day an Anarchy nation could also be formed, problem again is where. Btw you should interview Vít Jedlička president of Liberland on your programme if you haven't already.

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thatgermandude (59) · 7 years ago

Spain/Barcelona in 1936

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whatamidoing (69) · 7 years ago

The only way I could imagine (and it isn't hard to imagine) is a state whose main goal is to render itself obsolete by encoraging us to create strong and self sustainable communities and basically only serving as a helpful resource. This could lead to the formation of autonomous zones where people could experiment with whatever kind of ideas they'd like outside of the law that everyone is following in the rest of the country. In those communities, we'd have a chance to see what human nature looks like under a variety of different circumstances.

I would like for us to adopt a gift economy to the greatest extent possible, but I realize we have a long way to go. In my lifetime I hope to see pay-what-you-want become less fringe and more supported by the mainstream.

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dwinblood (73) · 7 years ago

Nope. It hasn't been tried. Yet, is that a reason to keep trying the same things over and over again? Is that a reason to keep having the same arguments that have already occurred for more than a century and not learn the lessons from the outcomes of those discussions and experiments?

I tend to believe in Anarchy as my Utopian goal. Not Anarchy in the Chaos bent but rather in what it really means. From Anarchos meaning No Rulers. Noone with the right to tell others how they must live. There can still be naturally occurring leaders you can choose to voluntarily follow or not follow as time suits you and depending on the task/purpose. Yet a leader is not the same as a ruler.

However, I do try to be realistic. I do not believe the world is ready for Anarchy. We have some human nature problems that are great at corrupting ANY system no matter how great it sounds. The only way to counter human nature is with education and giving people the tools to notice those things and resit them. The problem is the education systems seem to be removing those tools at a steady pace. It leaves the populace largely emotionally driven rather than rationally. It turns most topics into something akin to a religion with how intractable people are. It leaves a population that has forgotten that not only is okay to be wrong occasionally, it is an important part of learning. The tool that is lacking is critical thinking, and particularly the ability to identify and notice the large amounts of logical fallacies that are used in almost every discussion. A lot of appeal to emotion, appeal to popularity, appeal to authority, and appeal to the stone fallacies. Being able to critically think gives the tools for people of disagreeing points of view to still be able to work together. Without it, it tends to lead to intollerance and one trying to destroy the other.

This is not an environment Anarchy would do well. Honestly, it is not an environment that ultimately any ideology will do well in other than for the short term.

We need to be willing to try new things. If they fail. Learn from it. Adjust. We need to stop recycling the same ideas and same systems and expect a different outcome.

We also need to stop WHAT IFing to death things that have not been tried. Some things we may not be able to see other options until we at least try them. Does the new thing have to be anarchy? No. Yet it should be new, rather than being stuck on the hamster wheel repeating the same crap over and over that has been done in history.

I choose to target critical thinking as the windmill I tilt at. Why? I don't see most ideologies working in the long run unless most of our population becomes skilled at critical thinking.

I believe in freedom. I endorse voluntarism.

Free Market Capitalism only remains Free Market until the government steps in. All aspects of monopolies and such people try to lay at the feet of Free Market actually seem to involve government interaction either in the form of laws, restrictions from competition, etc. Do they happen yes? Yet, I haven't been able to find examples where that happened for longer than a short period before the market corrected that didn't persist without the assistance of government.

Furthermore socialism and communism basically both become ultimate forms of monopoly. Socialism is cronyism to it's core. The thing that corrupts capitalism is cronyism. It also impacts communism. Could any of those ideologies work? Maybe. Yet that same human nture problem can corrupt any ideology. That is what I was getting at.

I don't believe I have the right to tell you or anyone else how they should live.
I also don't believe other people have the right to tell me how I should live.

Quantity of people is irrelevant. There is no magic number where force suddenly becomes acceptable.

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positivedesign (25) · 7 years ago

In practice, I would point you to another term of poly-centric law and poly-centric governance. In some respect I'd say that we work within a somewhat poly-centric legal system in the abstract but when you zoom in to a local level it is still based off the monopoly of a territorial claim. It is not too far fetched to see how poly-centric law works today, but to move to the truest form is not in practice, but in effect would offer a market for governance. I would label myself as a "Libertarian" to most people I speak with but if were really talking I'd identify as an Anarchist. But Why should I and a majority of like-minded people get to tell a minority their government cant pay into a 'universal healthcare' if they want? and likewise (and more reality based) should I have the majority tell me I have to pay into a 'universal healthcare' government. What if we didn't vote for people (with power for a timespan) and instead payed them directly. Well the idea is that you'd pay your government truly voluntarily and receive it's benefits, and I would to mine. And where these two governments agree on things they form collations like lets say to fund a Parks department (So I can still have nice hiking trails) and where our two disagree with other governments like lets say i.e. (National Conservative Government) who pays for a Department of Defense (which is offensive) and outlawing it's own citizenry abortions We'd have no coalition, and both our citizenry of your and my government pay no for their war (and if that were the case like with the overarching unpopular "Iraq War' the funds collected by the "Governments /Parties/" would not be able too, or at the very least I would have to pay for the military who invades and nation builds foreign soil.

I'm rambling, but how would it work in practice, just like now except more market effects (and Markets for Governance is the most critical one which is monopolized) And most libertarian types will point to the closest historic examples as mentioned like medieval Iceland and Catalonia (Spanish Civil War times, and was a Left-Anarchism)

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llihlliw (25) · 7 years ago

It would be great to achieve 90%, but most places are far from it. 70% would be a huge improvement. Society’s are trending to change, but most are afraid of change. My prediction is that decisions will continue to be closer and closer to 50/50. Many times a poor decision is better than no decision, so this is quiet troubling!

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lucylin (67) · 7 years ago

Free money (basic income), cannot work with a free market. The truly free market relies on supply, demand, and finding price.

Free money alters that paradigm. How do you calculate the value of free money?

(and all the earned money taken away in taxes. It's flawed from the beginning. Soz)

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discernente (76) · 7 years ago

I love consentual iterations, and hate all forms of coercion. And all governments are based on coercion and brute force. So I consider myself to be a libertarian.

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discernente (76) · 7 years ago

I love consentual iterations, and hate all forms of coercion. And all governments are based on coercion and brute force. So I consider myself to be a libertarian.

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rambogoham (49) · 7 years ago

I HODL!

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aggroed (78) · 7 years ago

Scandanavian Social Democrazy.

Well, I guess I'm going with no matter how many times you vote on my rights I still don't think you get to decide them. That includes what I do with my money, my life, my marriage, my genitals, my commerce, my time, my kids, and generally speaking "my lawn."

Your regulations basically put a limit on my private authority to act in whatever way I wish so long as no harm and most specifically meaning property damage or physical harm is done to another.

The idea of taking money from me to fund products you and fellow voters believe in through the use and threat of force isn't in the best interest of freedom loving people. Combine that with governments use those powers with selfish malicious intent all the time, and you'll find my attitude change from this is bad and immoral to this is extremely harmful to all peaceful inhabitants of the planet and endangers all of us.

Going with "highly-woke ,market-driven, free and emancipated human."

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mattclarke (68) · 7 years ago

What he said.

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primalphilosophy (26) · 7 years ago

Very well said.

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vegeta (53) · 7 years ago

Technology will render all social programs useless anyway. When we have robots better than doctors, socialized healthcare will become useless.

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markkujantunen (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

How are people without means going to get access to healthcare provided by said robots? What difference does it make whether or not the doctor is a robot?

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frankieg (25) · 7 years ago

When you said, "Your regulations basically put a limit on my private authority to act in whatever way I wish so long as no harm and most specifically meaning property damage or physical harm is done to another." It made me think, this person should come to California right now. Regulations that have kept folks from clearing brush, bushes, and while providing no water and restricting water usage, has brought us the Thomas Fire. Almost 300k acres burned and still the only reason they're calling containment it because it's burning to the ocean. The old timers have been telling us for decades that the ridiculous regulations on the people of the State of California would lead to just such a disaster. A fire that jumps all lines, burns to the ocean...Can we build a couple of dams please? I've no need for a bullet train from SF to Chowchilla, but water would be nice...I'll leave my comments about Governor Moonbeam for another post =0)

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the-ego-is-you (59) · 7 years ago (edited)

Cooperative agorism as a means of creating those new institutions that will replace our current form of government - the centralized state - with voluntary and mutuality beneficial contracts.

I'd like for us to have a society that is just a society. More choice for those that want it and and dedicated work to establish market based solutions to accute poverty, unemployment and other sudden catastrophes.

Free markets utilized to the best of the ability of real human beings.

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thatgermandude (59) · 7 years ago (edited)

I don't know what exactly all these Scandinavians have as a government/economic system. Would be nice if you could explain that further. I heard Kyle from Secular Talk giving the same answer.

I am generally for smaller economic units. Small government in a way that your most local decisions should have the highest priority not the lowest.

I think every small unit can then define how much socialism they want. I am in favor of public transport, water, garbage, healthcare/emergency service and communication systems against most kinds of welfare and charities, but in favor of basic income. With "public" I mean completely state owned industry btw.

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davidpakman (76) · 7 years ago

good idea for a future video, thanks!

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markkujantunen (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

All Nordic countries have market economies. The share of small businesses of all economic activity is relatively small. Large corporations generate most of the GDP along with public services. Labor union membership is nearly universal and collective bargaining with employer's unions is the norm. It is common for trade unions, employer's unions and the government to engage in regular tripartite negotiations that tie together public fiscal policy and wages. Labor unions and their central organizations and the Social Democratic parties in each country have very close ties and accusations of illicit forms of fundraising crop up regularly. Correspondingly, employer's unions have close ties with the right-wing pro-business parties in each country.

All have mixed public/private health care systems. There are public health clinics but most working people have general health care paid for them by their employees. The public health care sector runs municipal hospitals in large cities, provincial central hospitals and university hospitals that provide the most advanced/specialized care. Public clinics and hospitals charge nominal fees from their patients. It is fairly common for working people to buy health insurance packages for their families but these are fairly cheap as they do not need to cover anything expensive. Most people purchase them to be able to go to private clinics instead of the public clinics in case of minor illnesses. This is how it works in Finland but I don't think it's very different in the rest of the Nordic countries.

From what I've heard, the tax system is fairly simple compared to Germany or France. For most people, filling their tax returns takes about five minutes. It can get complicated but mostly it's very simple.

Society is much less family-centric than in the south of Europe. In this regard, the Nordic countries resemble the UK and its former colonies. The welfare state can get a little intrusive at times. Child welfare is a high priority. In comprehensive school (grades 1 to 9), the parents of each pupil get a questionnaire with questions about the health of the child and the family environment in first, fifth and eighth grades. Their occupations, smoking and drinking habits, whether or not dad helps around the house, employment situation etc. etc. are asked. I read that the questionnaire is based on some American statistical child abuse risk analysis tool. (Did you know that a smoking parent is statistically more likely to abuse their child than a non-smoking one?) Finland has the second highest proportion of children placed outside of home (after Australia) among OECD countries. That might or might not be warranted by actual facts on the ground. I've read somewhere that in spite of alcohol consumption going down every year and general well-being among children and youth improving, the distribution of child and youth welfare has become somewhat more polarized than in the past.

The political system in all Nordic countries is a parliamentary multi-party democracy with division of powers into legislative, judicial and executive branches. The judicial branch is relatively less important than in the UK and its former colonies as the Roman-German judicial tradition is followed. Finland used to have a strong presidential institution but since the late 1980's that institution has been weakened through constitutional reforms. Sweden, Denmark and Norway are kingdoms with the monarch as a ceremonial head of state. Finland and Iceland are republics with the president as the head of state. The executive branch also has fewer powers than in the USA. Presidential decrees are nowadays very seldom used for any kind of active political purpose in Finland as opposed to the Cold War period. In Finland, seats in the parliament are allocated using the D'Hondt method leading to, sometimes prolonged, negotiations between multiple parties in an effort to find a majority coalition after the election. In contrast, Sweden uses a coalition system where voters have an opportunity to vote for coalitions decided prior to the elections.

The dominant political parties in Finland are National Coalition (pro-business centre-right party), Social Democratic Party and Centre Party (a centrist party with voter core made up of rural middle class). Two of these parties have formed the cabinet with additional parties without exception in the post WW II era.

Any questions, David or anyone else?

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thatgermandude (59) · 7 years ago

Thank you very much for this detailed explanation.

It seems somewhat similar to Germany. We also had strong unions until 30 years ago and we have a mixed healthcare system as well, but it is complicated and pretty much the predecessor of Obama Care.

The good thing is that we won't stick our noses in the private/family live. Children get usually only seperated from their family if they get beaten or the family is below the poverty line.

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markkujantunen (74) · 7 years ago

The good thing is that we won't stick our noses in the private/family live. Children get usually only seperated from their family if they get beaten or the family is below the poverty line.

Poverty as grounds for removal of children from the family is actually a horrific practice, not to mention economically wasteful. The financial cost of foster care is very high. If poverty is the main problem of the family, it is much cheaper to remedy that with money or coupons.

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thatgermandude (59) · 7 years ago

The problem with that is that we do not want giving birth to be an income method. We already have low class people having, more children to get more money from the state.

Poverty is not officially the reason for removal, more the side effects of poverty like malnurture, crime and too young mothers.

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markkujantunen (74) · 7 years ago

It doesn't make financial sense to have children, subsidies or not. At best the subsidies barely offset the cost. The reasons you mention make perfect sense.

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cryptkeeper17 (64) · 7 years ago

Correct sir. Smaller economic units is where the real energy comes from an economy. The allowance of the government to let business happen rather than slap the wrists due to every one in a million grievance is when there will be a real economic explosion. You will know when there is a golden economic age when they stop having jobs reports but rather new businesses started and new entrepreneurs created.

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penston (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

Prosperous societies are prosperous because they have higher levels of inclusion. Policies that ensure inclusion would include addressing inequality growth and unemployment.

My aim would be to establish fairness, not just for the 99%, but for the 100%. This can be achieved by reining-in economic privileges. One can't expect anyone to accept something that's less than fair and it's unreasonable to expect to be treated in a way that's more than fair. Fair's fair!

Georgism - begin replacing taxes like income tax, corporate tax and sales tax with a land value tax. This would remove economic distortions and inefficiencies as well as directly address inequality growth.
MMT - implement a job guarantee program and cut off corporate welfare (no more selling government securities or paying interest on balances held at the central bank).
Modern debt jubilee - deleverage private sector debt so as to avoid another financial crisis. If the land value tax is sufficiently high to cause land prices to drop, then the debt jubilee would mitigate the unfairness.
Deficit spending - money spent by the government is money earned by non-government, so a government deficit is a non-government surplus. This would reduce the need for a job guarantee program, so those workers could then transition more quickly into jobs in the private sector.

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davidpakman (76) · 7 years ago

I tend to believe this.

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penston (55) · 7 years ago

The only question really is what size of government do you want.

Once you understand the mechanics of how MMT's job guarantee program works, you'll see how that's not a size-of-government issue, hence it's mandatory.

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penston (55) · 7 years ago

This is interesting - your upvote on my post (above) showed as being worth $0.06 yesterday and your upvote on your reply showed as being $0.36, but today they show as being %0.05 and $0.35 respectively. What's going on there?

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cryptkeeper17 (64) · 7 years ago

Much much more open free market, government "hands off" practices, with levels introduced to the public with varied regulations. If there are legitimate notifications to participants in say, a health care system that has tiers of government/FDA oversight, making each tier more costly but more highly regulated, the market can actually decide which works for EACH INDIVIDUAL SITUATION AT THEIR OWN PERSONAL INTEREST.

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ocupation (68) · 7 years ago

only full opened market without any state intervention will lead us to even bigger freedom.
good work,upvoted :)

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georgechuks (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

This guy could not have taken longer to ask his question.
My economics philosophy is trickle down economics.
If you give money to the rich, they'll give back to us, spend money create jobs and wealth.

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native-one (34) · 7 years ago (edited)

It sounds good, but in a way this has been tested in recent 'baillouts' in the UK. It didn't work. What you end up with is the same old people deciding what is important for investment/lending/employment, which changes nothing in a system already stagnant. The same people otherwise just take money OUT of the economy via hoarding/offshoring, or only spend in limited high-cost circles, creating a secondary wealth-circulating pool that 'us' never gets near.

A french economist, can't remember his name, suggested the opposite is more effective, bottom up: eg, the UK bank baillout equated to £3000 per household. It all went to banks and virtually none trickled down as they got stricter in their lending policies, but a whole heap of bonuses got paid.

If you gave the same £3k to the household, how many would hoard it? Most of the lower income bracket will spend it immediately, stimulating the economy from the bottom up, and in a broad spread of purchases benefitting many businesses, creating the experience of value and income all the way up the economic chain.

Of course, that was an emergency strategy for an emergency situation, but if you consider it, the only economy that has ever worked is 'trickle up'. The reason we end up with problems is when hoarding happens as it takes wealth out of the economy and everyone has to wait until its regenerated just to 'tread water' in terms of the shared feeling of wealth.

Maybe if you'd said 'ideologically rich' I'd have felt less keyboard-trigger-happy :D

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markkujantunen (74) · 7 years ago

Well said!

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meno (73) · 7 years ago

I think the idea sounds nice, and in theory Iike it... I'm yet to find an example of it tho... but I'm open to reading about it.

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everydaycoach (62) · 7 years ago

I read about a different community last week, don’t remember where it is in the world, but think someplace in the East.
All the inhabitants was to share everything what they have earned with their society on time per year. No one was to be rich and no one was to be poor. They have a lot of cool ideas about life and how to live it without greed, envy, jealousy and hate.

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itsokaytoeatmayo (41) · 7 years ago

LOL. You don't understand human behavior.

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everydaycoach (62) · 7 years ago

what do you mean I don’t understand about human behavior? Please enlighten me:-)

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itsokaytoeatmayo (41) · 7 years ago

Your Utopian idea of no one is rich & no one is poor has never existed. No one is going to tolerate being equally as poor as everyone else.

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everydaycoach (62) · 7 years ago

sorry to say but this is an actual city in the world, and people are free to live there;-) and they do

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itsokaytoeatmayo (41) · 7 years ago

If this place existed, nasty invaders that flooded into white countries would be going there instead of here.

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everydaycoach (62) · 7 years ago

They will not flee anyplace they don’t know exist:-)

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lucyogo (44) · 7 years ago

NO TAXES ON NEEDS, TAX WANTS.
Anyone else find the beginning of the calls really awkward?

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hortonwho (29) · 7 years ago

personally i feel that freedom is necessity, love is a blessing, politics are a headache, liberty is honesty, truth is grace, and friendship is a gift.

What am i getting at? its simple, if we all worked together we could make this world 100x better than it is now.

May we be Red blooded Republican, Blue Coated Democrat, Lively Libertarian, or old Fashioned Whig, -We are all Human.

Love and be Loved, Smile and be Happy, pass on a handshake and make a friend, stay true to the bone and gain a ally.

Just a few honest words from the heart.

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bridgetoby (47) · 7 years ago (edited)

Lol that call was hilarious
Guy loves to waste time lol

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atherz (51) · 7 years ago

I was like "hey repping the area code" and then.. awk 😒

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artyomko (37) · 7 years ago

@davidpakmann Thank you for this post! I would consider something between positive and normative.

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lostmine27 (67) · 7 years ago

impressive post.

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stefang (29) · 7 years ago

I'm from a 3rd world country, that in the past couple years, suffered an intense attack, by the network that rules EU and USA (Deepstate or whatever you want to call it).
I was created in a "right"minded family, if you want to call it that way. Them I was exposed to "left" values as I gone to college.
What happened is that, I've become more and more aware, that both "sides" are the same shit, because the people who fund both sides, are the same network of criminals world wide.
What this means to me? That doesn't meter if you want to go to a libertarian or a communist republic, there is a group of people that tries so hard to control the other part of the population.
The "west" is no more a democracy them communist China. With bought politicians trough bribery, that rule for this minority, with a controlled media that serve the intelligence services, guiding whole countries to believe in a narrative. The global economy by itself is also completely compromised, with the monetary system being controlled by an global bank cartel.
So my economic philosophy is not simple to define, but while this group of people, that struggles hard, but is managing to maintain the majority of the global population between their sphere of influence, keep their "demonic" affairs, trafficking information, people, drugs, weapons worldwide, inequality will be the norm. And economy does not grow with inequality.

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diezeldiddy (55) · 7 years ago

I think in theory I would lean more toward libertarian economics, but in all realism I tend more to align with capitalism sprinkled with socialism. There are so many manipulations by central governments and banks that they are able to control economies so that it is not true capitalism. There has to be someone at top of this global economy and I would rather see big government then big business because at least in government, for however much influence and corruption there may be, at least some have the interests of the people at heart and there are balances. In big business there is only one goal. There are also enough entitlements currently that I couldn't take away to fall into my libertarian idealism. My views are always evolving also, but currently this is my general, broad stance

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itsokaytoeatmayo (41) · 7 years ago

Since when does government have our interests at heart. Big businesses fail if they don't serve their customers.

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chirieleison (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

Georgist but not a single taxer. There are other kinds of rent that should be taxed and eliminated. You should keep 100% of what you earn, which would include not only a paycheck but also what you get through speculating with cryptocurrencies and similar assets.

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christophercode (25) · 7 years ago

I would like to believe in government to do things, but I can't. I voted for Obama. I got more wars, an insurance company give-away, an attempt for SOPA/PIPA & TPP (until those jerks heard an argument they couldn't argue with), Aaron Schwartz prosecuted, a non-prosecuted economic housing bubble, according to Donna Brazil, she found the cancer in the DNC (afterwards lighting candles & jamming gospel before calling her best friend, Bernie Sanders). I never heard the DNC wasn't under the direct control of Clinton after Brazil's allegations which, to my knowledge, remains uncontested. We can't look to Republicans to help either. If we are get anything accomplished, it isn't going to come from government. The best we can really do is to find ways to negate them if possible.

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scogold (35) · 7 years ago

Moderate Libertarian, I don't want to completly shut down the government and I believe the government should do some stuff just a lot less then they do.

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antikesdenken (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

I don't believe in libertarism, since we have no working model in any state as fas as I know. Furthermore I think, that the free market can not take over social responsibilities. Single people are responsible for their enviroment, but not the market.

I'm supporting the ressource based econmy as presented by Jaque Fresco.

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mdarifk10 (40) · 7 years ago

Thank you for sharing

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waldiyanto (8) · 7 years ago

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rodent (42) · 7 years ago

Heavy libertarian, because I'm a communist. I believe in the general stages of progress, but I don't think governments can force the dialetic.

More so, if you have ever read the Mars Trilogy, the philosophy expounded right at the end is pretty much aligned. It pretty much argues that every stage of progresa always ends up keeping elements of the previous one. So the Industrial/Capitalist era contained alot of fuedalistic elementa. Now as we enter the Socialist/Digital era (Space era in the book, its an older book) it will contain capitalistic elements, but the feudalist aspects will downgrade.

td;dr I have believed steemit was the future before it was even conceived.

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peterthor (35) · 7 years ago (edited)

My Economic Philosophy
My economic/political viewpoint is that economics and politics are part of a stochastic process that evolves over time. Actors act and actors react. It is a dynamical system that is not predictable in the long term. Although, as an actor myself where my actions play a contributory part in the evolution of local and global economics and politics, I see it as pointless to make value judgments on goodness or badness regarding the state of the process at any given time or to decide how to act. Any action, which may cause greater good in the short term will produce greater harm in the long term, and vice versa. For example, an increasing standard of living, education, life expectancy, and so on has been accompanied by environmental destruction in the long term. Yin and Yang balance out in the end, regardless of what valiant judgements or efforts may be attempted by individual actors in the meanwhile. Actors have evolved to focus on near-term goals that are predictable and that are of expected short-term benefit. But the long term will suffer as the result of the concomitant unintended consequences. The result is a messy blend of counter-intuitive game theoretic dynamics, such as the Tragedy of the Commons, and Mutually Assured Destruction. On an emotional level, I am a libertarian/socialist/anarchist, but analytically, I am passive Laissez-Faire. I hope for reduced suffering but I know that we are misguided by our illusion of control. I speak out in emotional response. But intellectually, I have pretty much become nothing more than a curious observer. I mostly just speak out against economic/political fraud and little else. Anyone want to debate with me on Google Hangouts?

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kevaton (48) · 7 years ago

Whatever economic philosophy anyone holds, investment decisions must be predicted on sound decisions. Spread your bread on many waters for you will find them after many waters

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beulahlandeu (53) · 7 years ago

Hey @davidpakman my quip is with how you phrase it. There is no opinion about what rights we have. There are facts (okay, and legal interpretations).

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itsokaytoeatmayo (41) · 7 years ago

Society has to be white to have Libertarianism.

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bgrass (51) · 7 years ago

Trade between people should be free from coercion and deceit.

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tdreager (31) · 7 years ago

Economic philosophy? Dunno... I don't know much about different economic philosophies. My goal financially is work hard for a few years, retire and live on hardly anything while doing something I actually like instead of something soul crushing. And tailor the thing I like doing, over time, to generate an income. And then never work a day in my life. Meditate in a forest until I accept death, go back to the earth...

Rambling. Yeah, so no idea what my economic philosophy is, but that's what floats through my head on the subject.

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allansteele (25) · 7 years ago

The problem with describing one’s political philosophy is that the ‘post-modernists’ and the current forms of media have so distorted the meaning of many labels it is difficult to identify safely with a particular movement or group.

Liberal used to mean something like ‘small government, individual freedom’ and has unfortunately been associated with severe Left-wing views.

I label myself alt-center; I think both Left and Right, Democrat and Republican, Libertarian and Socialist views are lacking. However, simply mediating is not a principled view, so I don’t associate with the center. Historically, major social and economic progress has manifested over decades concurrently on both sides of the political spectrum. A pragmatic view of effective political change recognizes that the most potent changes are usually achieved at the boundary between common ground and radical thought. Thus I label myself alt-center.

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buzzbait (44) · 7 years ago

More money is gooder... :-)

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aungyekyaw (47) · 7 years ago

i like

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kingbum (44) · 7 years ago (edited)

I'm a libertarian....I believe in Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. However since I believe in life I believe that everyone should have an unalienable right to free decent health care. That is the biggest thing our taxes should go to it shouldn't be defense. So I guess I believe in socialized medicine but to implement it we have to do it way more efficiently than anywhere else in the world. I dont mind paying taxes for that and in improving the public school system we have a couple generations now of pure idiots because that was never fixed. Outside of medical care, public education and defense everything else should be done on a local level or at least state. I believe in personal freedom and letting the individual be in control of their own destiny.We don't need dumbass laws like who can use what bathroom. What is socially acceptable in California is not in Alabama and each state sbould have control over that. So much of the polarization of US politics will go away if they just let individual states or even towns decide day to day policy themselves. I'm a very strong state's rights guy what's good for Connecticut may not be good for Minnesota and each state should be able to make their own paths.

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smartboy1986 (25) · 7 years ago

Agree I also believe that everyone should have an unalienable right to free decent health care.

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frankieg (25) · 7 years ago

You should read the constitution. You have the right to the pursuit of happiness. You have the right to free speech. You have the right to face your accusers, well, we'll see on that one...But no where do you have the right to have me pay for your wishes, dreams, or insurance premiums. Handle your business.

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frankieg (25) · 7 years ago

I don't believe I've ever met a libertarian that believed social medicine is the answer. For those of us paying insurance premiums for the last 40 years, only to have those premiums tripled while the services we've paid for for decades is no longer available to us. Socialized medicine is about as much part of the libertarian doctrine as Bernie Sanders is. I live in the Socialist Republic of California, we're getting a glimpse of what social medicine already looks like. Appointments that one used to make a week out have become 6 weeks out. Medicine's that the state decides you really don't need, (even with your doctors prescription) get replaced with meds that are cheaper and generally don't work. UNLESS of course you're an inmate in California. An inmate CANNOT receive medications that are NOT from the manufacturer. Nothing generic for our criminals. We also provide them with hormone shots and sex change operations at the tax payer expense, meanwhile, my 78 year old mother, who's paid her insurance premiums for more than 50 years has to go to Canada for her thyroid medication. I also feel strongly about states rights, but not when they go off the rails against federal law. When the 5 time felon picked up a gun, pulled the trigger, and killed Kate Steinle, and a SF jury can't even convict the guy of manslaughter, (which just happened to be the defenses case), then the State has failed to protect it's lawful citizens and needs to be brought to heel.

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itsokaytoeatmayo (41) · 7 years ago

Steinle's killer got off because the DA & jury are the children of illegals. They were protecting their own kind.

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frankieg (25) · 7 years ago

I'm not really sure where you're locating your facts but, nothing you said was true. I was purely political and a travesty of justice any way you look at it.

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itsokaytoeatmayo (41) · 7 years ago

The DA didn't charge the killer with charges appropriate to the crime.

In group preference is a real thing. Think about how many times you've thought of those not in your group as non-human.

And, there's no such thing as everyone liking everyone.

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kingbum (44) · 7 years ago

The constitution says Life, Liberty and pursuit of happiness....I'm sorry I just dont think cost should interject in whether or not someone gets the right to live or not. Life is to me an unalienable right, if it wasn't then what's the difference between this and murder in cold blood?

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itsokaytoeatmayo (41) · 7 years ago

You aren't a libertarian.

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lazyfair (31) · 7 years ago

"free decent health care" is not a right. Free decent food is not a right. Free decent housing is not a right. These things don't exist freely in nature. They are highly prized desires of all mankind but they require the sweat of someone to make them available. Taking/taxing away the valuable sweat equity of one person and giving it to another to pay for these so called "rights" is an immoral act leading to all sorts of inequities and inefficiencies. It's human nature. "That which we acquire too easily is not highly esteemed." Wasteful, inefficient consequences always result from such things. Bundling of health care into a giant government bureaucracy (think Veterans Administration) will inevitably and necessarily lead to poor quality of service and rising costs due to inefficient delivery. It's human nature.

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gamer00 (67) · 7 years ago

These things don't exist freely in nature.

Neither do rights.

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i3utm (33) · 7 years ago

I am going to say my economic philosophy is a combination of Libertariansim / Progressivsim / Transhumanism. A Liberty-minded, digitally-focused, philosophy that leans more on deregulation than regulation. A 50 / 25 / 25 split.

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dudeontheweb (54) · 7 years ago

Laissez-faire.

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inanefool (35) · 7 years ago (edited)

I think baseline items (those required for a modern, quality life) , like food, land, electricity, and internet, should be publicly owned and distributed by a central resource-management group that's democratically elected, or, if it's feasible, a resource-regulation machine.

All else can participate in a quasi-free market economy consisting entirely of cooperatives that are regulated to reduce the impact of externalities.

It'd be easy to call this "socialism" but I think most people who call themselves socialists would consider this insufficient, as I still desire some sort of market economy, and I don't desire a moneyless society.

"Market socialism" doesn't seem like a very good descriptor either.

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bigguyandrusty (37) · 7 years ago

I feel like Lord Varys from GoT, I want what is best for the realm.

That brings me to support Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) on corporations and individuals as well as tiered capital gains taxes like we have for wages (since the wealthy make more off investments than wages).

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raymondsvictor (36) · 7 years ago

I like you though... Amazing personality. Nice one sir

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drwom (69) · 7 years ago

Not all of us are libertarian, and the bigger steem gets, the more traditional political philosophies will be represented.

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