I'm totally with you on obesity! 110%! In general, I dislike unnatural bodybuilding the same way, and for the same reason, I dislike fake boobs. I'm also against things that harm our health, and steroids harm our health. And often the things people do "to be the best in any sport" are unhealthy also. Many of these top athletes, if not most, take drugs that are just too good for the authorities to detect, it's like an arms race between drug-takers and drug-detectors. In my previous post of this series I gave the example of Nate Diaz as someone who has a body "trained to its absolute potential". It really doesn't look all that different from an untrained slim body! The kind of body Thor has, at his age, and in such a short span of time, can only be made with drugs. Most women might suspect 'The Rock's' body isn't completely natural (!), but they'll think Thor's body is. Parading that kind of body in movies creates an unhealthy pressure for men, and unrealistic expectations (and consequent disappointment) in women. I wouldn't mind it if at least they came out and admitted they use drugs, for the sake of art (it does look good), but pretending this is real is actually harmful. I guess I'm making a point very similar to the one feminists often make, I'm just reversing the sexes for once. I don't think I ever saw a female body in movies that is actually impossible to occur naturally. But you see this with male bodies all the time.
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Yes, I'm also against fake natties telling people who's possible on Youtube. The supplement industry is incredibly corrupt. In fact, responsible use of steroids far from the worst. Dorian Yates is still healthy after all these years. The worst are people who who put toxic compounds like superdrol and amphetamine into supplements without the consumer's knowledge. Not only that, most whey proteins on the market are fakes that contain far less protein than they claim and even toxic fillers.
I would mostly agree your sentiment that Nate Diaz is about the peak of natural athleticism... but I would say that he's not natural, because he's a paid athlete... he's taking some sort of PEDs... yet I would also say that it's actually possible to get maybe 5-10lbs bigger than him naturally if you train for size rather than performance. My examples of natural limit would be Frank Yang and Omar Isuf.
This video is an excellent explanation... It's just mass, but a certain 3D look, and even smell, behavioral mood, performance level, speed of transformation, consistency of look, etc.
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Frank Yang and Omar Isuf are good examples. But still they devote hefty portions of their time to gymming. It's rather unfair to present this as natural, even tho it's natural! It is natural, but it's also a full time job. Also we don't know what role genetics plays in those cases: maybe they're lucky.
I watched the video. What would be interesting to see, would be to present those examples to random people, and ask them whether they think those bodies are natural. I'm pretty sure most men and women would think something like #12 & #10 and many others are natural bodies. We've gotten desensitized, basically.
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Yes, that would be interesting. There's another point of not just size, but also polished look. For example, this guy isn't natural, yet he's quite small: https://www.instagram.com/rowanrow/
He doesn't stand out at all in a shirt, but you can tell from his shape that he's on weak anabolics and fat burners.
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