RE: ❉▦[ Dawn of the Phantasms ]▦❉

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❉▦[ Dawn of the Phantasms ]▦❉

in hive-135459 •  4 years ago 

This (both units) is definitely op, it can fork literally anything. It might only be able to reach 1/4th of the squares on the board but any piece on any of those 1/4th of the squares is dead. Long range unblockable is more valuable than short range. Compare to valkary.

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Ignoring this exact piece, your statement is actually wrong. The ideal value of a zebra (2,3)-leaper is the same as the ideal value of a knight, but on a finite board, unblockables get less value if they have bigger range, because they can't maneuver to well at some point. So a Zebra is worth much less than a knight on an 8x8 board (less than two pawns). A Camel (Valk-moveset) is also just worth 2/3 of a knight.

  ·  4 years ago (edited)

You are right, the general statement is applicable to long range unblockable attacks, not unblockable move. Since they are combined in the above piece I didn't specify.

That said, I believe that valk is worth more than a knight in CEO cost(ofc it also has king teleport), so I'm not convinced by yours claim about that camel is worth less. Likely it's an analysis from a different chess variant. CEO pieces tend to have very localized movesets which makes long range unblockable type attacks more powerful than they would be in normal chess. Though (1,3)-leapers have extra movement problems since 1+3 is even/they can't get to all squares so it's hard to argue that it's that good. zebra sounds way better than knight to me in this game though.