What are your core values regarding immigration?

in immigration •  7 years ago 

What kind of person does one have to be such that when faced with the state brutally ripping children away from their parents, one's response is either:

"Well, the parents broke the law."

or

"Yeah, well Obama started it."

I just can't even. If you can justify what is happening to those children, there's no brutality you can't justify, and in doing so, you have given up any claim to caring about America's values or the dignity of human beings.

It is you, not the immigrants or gang members, who are the animals.

In the case of those seeking asylum, they not only didn't break the law, they complied with it to the letter: to seek asylum, one must first be on US soil and submit to the first government official they encounter.

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I live in Germany and we are dealing with our own immigration problems.

Merkel had a very optimistic outlook on the topic from the very beginning, saying "We can do this" with great enthusiasm. And I can agree with that. I am a helper at heart, so I have a hard time turning a blind eye to people in need.

That being said, Germany does have it's own problems and I also see how the Immigration Crisis isn't only a problem by itself but also spreads over to other already present problems, making them even worse.

Leaving that aside, taking in immigrants is no solution. It is treating the symptoms of the actual disease, namely the reasons for immigrants escaping their homelands in the first place.

Treating the sympoms is the key for immigration problem I believe. Triggers additional questions though such as ; couldn't it possible to find a way with Middle Eastern countries other than military actions? What is the reason to name those countries as evils but signing papers with North Korea? Is it only the case of nukes? Is the main cause toppling a dictator? A dictotor that worked well over the years causing no problem at all to the western world? How long do we have to be forced to choose between the human rights and trying to keep our own way life choices?

The answer is to stop invading countries. Western presence in the middle east has done far more damage than good in respect to human rights. The war on terrorism is utter nonsense. How many people have been killed from acts of terrorism from people from countries on the ban list. There are many other countries that have dictatorships that never get mentioned. A big reason they do not get attacked is because they don't have anything the Western Governments want.

The choice is not between keeping our way of life or human rights. The way we are going at the moment, we will lose our way of life and see human rights destroyed at the same time. For things to improve, the whole system needs to be cleaned out because it is corrupt to the core.

This is a good point. The fear of terrorism that is and has been presence for a while has been a greater threat to the way of life much more than terrorism itself, and that is excluding that many terroist acts were the result of said fear in the first place.

A friend of mine, a girl, is a big fan of our local soccer team, she goes and watches the games at any given chance. One time, after something has happened here in Germany, she came to me, saying that she was genuinely afraid of going to the stadium. Because possible acts of terrorism.

It has cooled off again, but that happening really showed me the impact these things can have on our "ways of life".

And yeah, I agree that the solution isn't causing acts of violence.

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This is a very powerful and relevant quote from Einstein. Responding with violence against violence gets us nowhere. This saying also applies to @honeybee's problem with tariffs.

We need to recognise that all this suffering is getting us nowhere.

The aspect I like about this quote the most is that it promotes thinking in ways one wouldn't have considered before.

Worldproblem solving aside, this leads to quite interesting thoughts and findings.

I think the real answer lies in a middle ground.

Treating symptoms is a good thing, but it should eventually lead to the solution against the core propblem. In a perfect world, at least. These topics are intricate, so finding this is easier said than done.