The sad truth is, if you spoke with someone about whether it's moral to use force and violence to get what your after they would agree w/out skipping a beat. Yet, if you help them follow that thought all the way up to their local gov't, some kind of bizaro switch is flipped and all of the sudden this idea of using force is not only good but required. The indoctrination is truely amazing, not in a good way. Just end them off with the task of getting to the bottom of how the gov't has the jurisdiction to govern their actions. HINT: It doesn't and never has.