Moving to hive

techslut (70) · 7 years ago

You do know that there's 100 people on steemit now that can do the same and use MB to upvote their content to $200+ ? The MB whitelist I helped review.

Call it a "scammy path", but I don't know of any other way to balance out what is happening on steemit with the majority of power being in the hands of very few who care more about profit than content quality on the platform.

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

I don't know of any other way to balance out what is happening on steemit with the majority of power being in the hands of very few who care more about profit than content quality on the platform.

The @minnowbooster account has nearly 3 million SP (125K held and 2.842 million delegated to them). And last time I checked, they haven't had any positive impact on "content quality." In fact, plenty of shitposters and spammers have used their services and still do.

So, Minnowbooster is one of the few accounts that you've mentioned with the "majority of power" and they are in fact one of the "services" that seems to be more interested in profits than "content quality on the platform."

How exactly can Minnowbooster "balance out what is happening on Steemit" when Minnowbooster is one of the problems throwing that balance off in the first place...all for the sake of profit for Ricardo and a few of his new buddies? Please tell me how "minnows" have been "boosted" by this vote-buying and delegation-leasing craze? Nearly every report I've seen about these services shows that there is very little benefit, if any at all, to purchasing them. As a whole, it certainly doesn't appear to be beneficial for the platform, as human interaction has apparently tanked in favor of multiple upvote services and multiple comment spam-bots cluttering the posts of the people who use them.

But please do carry on about "balancing things out" by doing more of the same. I'm sure more new users might buy it...then become disenchanted and leave, never to return.

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techslut (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

In fact, plenty of shitposters and spammers have used their services and still do.
There's an anti-abuse policy, so this should not happen.

As for the benefit from the service - how else can minnows get attention to their posts in trending and hot without paying for them to have high enough of a payout? I agree that MB and the likes (there's no shortage) are not a perfect solution, but I have yet to come across a better one.

What alternative do you propose?

And again - thank you for the grownup reply. <3

I do appreciate your explanation (much nicer than just calling me names).

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littleboy (72) · 7 years ago

The anit abuse policy is in name only.

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https://steemit.com/steemit/@littlejoeward/fixing-steemit-s-post-promotion-killing-the-voting-bots

littlejoeward (54) · 7 years ago

Here is a solution

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miti (75) · 7 years ago

Think the same.... wrote in minnowbooster post today:

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catweasel (56) · 7 years ago

If you must use screenshots, please at least include a link to the quote you wish to bring to our attention. Some of us might like to actually read what was said without going through all sorts of contortions. Then there's the issue of links. Try clicking on the links in your grab, see how far you get. I didn't.

Trust me, I'm a doctor.

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https://steemit.com/minnowbooster/@minnowbooster/where-have-all-the-upgoats-gone-the-state-of-the-boost#@miti/re-minnowbooster-where-have-all-the-upgoats-gone-the-state-of-the-boost-20171110t111430378z

miti (75) · 7 years ago (edited)

Right click on images.... view image... it's not that hard..

This is the link of my answer:

Link on image didn't work... because it's a screenshot... It seems obvious to me..

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catweasel (56) · 7 years ago

You are right, it's not hard, but it is unnecessary. It would have been easy for you to have included the link to your answer in the first place, assuming you'd like people to read it.

"Link on image didn't work... because it's a screenshot..." Really? I'd never have guessed.

Trust me, I'm a doctor.

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

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techslut (70) · 7 years ago

Sheesh, no need to descend to name-calling and threats. I am not here to attack or defend. I am here to try and understand how to make the platform better given what we have right now, and share ideas on that. I was hoping to receive a serious reply, explaining (or linking to an explanation) to why you think minnowbooster and the likes are scams. But if you're incapable of having an adult discussion, then, well, I've nothing to do here and I'll just unfollow you and we shall part in a civilized manner.

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6 votes

allintoone (29) · 7 years ago

I am new to Steemit, would you be so kind to explain what is happening?

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allintoone (29) · 7 years ago

I am new and I just want to do the right thing for the community and make it work.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

@allintoone---Hell yea! That would be so fantastic. Make America Great Again. lol

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tech-trends (65) · 7 years ago

Do you think your comment actually worths $4.22 I dont think so @berniesanders ...

It is easy to blame others but it's hard to look at ourself I know after reading this you may target me and flag me and try to find any stupid reason to prove that I make shit posts and that I don't deserve and so on .

Now this thing may hurt your ego but I'm going to speak my mind and what I've seen is that you had your own voting bot known as @randowhale and @randowhale1 now your business model is/was more of a gamble, honestly speaking when I was a newbie I used to borrow 2 SBD from my friends to get an upvote from you and I knew that this is going to be a gamble as I would either get more than what I paid for or less than it.

Now here comes @minnowbooster which always gives profit and if by chance it doesn't we return the extra SBD so it is a win win situation for the steemians.

Now coming to the point of having voting bots, you have been here for a very long time have seen a lot of things on steemit atleast way more than me , infact I would say that for me you're my senior here ( You may or may not agree but this is my thought) so you know how steemit works , here if you're post value is not high you don't get the visibility, you're post becomes a dust and gets hidden in the pile of many posts. Therefore you introduced @randowhale a voting bot which will help the minnows to get the visibility that they needed. and so we @minnowbooster not only launched a voting bot but also made a marketplace for Steem Power which @ned had discussed during a hangout in steemspeak.

You're an individual and so we are , you're free to speak your mind and so we are, you can upvote your post so we can , you upvote your comments but we don't do that @berniesanders

Your motive for saving the reward pool is exceptional but the way you do it is very bad.

I'm not calling you a terrorist or a criminal in my next thought but I can't find a better way to explain it to you , a thief steals food from a shop and runs away, why did he do it ? Answer: He was HUNGRY , Starving etc now if the same thief had done some work/job and had earned the money he still could get food by purchasing it.

Having good intentions doesn't mean that your actions are also good and having bad intentions doesn't mean that your will also be bad.

A man known by his actions and not by his thoughts.

Now coming to me I honestly was an unintentional plagiarist in the past who according to you have raped the reward a little but I make sure to learn from my mistakes and I do.

As for the flag war with @minnowbooster and their users I would only say one thing and it is that steem/steemit is a decentralized platform doing such actions make it a centralised platform which only spoils the reputation of it which further reduces the no. of users on steemit and then further reduces the value of steem in the market which results in the less value of the reward pool which is the real rapping.

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8 votes

techslut (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

Fine. You win. Tonight I will dump $100 SBD on a post titled: "Why I will no longer post on steemit and neither should you". Enjoy downvoting that with your bot army.

People like you are the reason artists and authors are leaving the platform, and scammers and spammers stay.

I hope you enjoy your self-upvotes and crowd of purchased followers as you watch the platform die and turn into a steem generating engine for the likes of you and nothing more. It's what you want, so it's what you invest in. So it's what you and the rest will get.

Me, I have a life, a job (that pays better than steemit ever could) and no time for your stupid wars.

I am not the kind to say such things, but you've managed to make me lose my cool. The best thing you, mr @berniesanders , can do for steemit and its community is die in an oil fire.

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netuoso (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

@berniesanders has motivated me to do a lot more around here. I wouldn't say he is the reason people are leaving. Maybe just the people that are doing the stuff he is bringing up are the ones having the issue with him?

People on SteemIt are overly cordial because they are actually trying to get a vote or something. To me, that level of behavior is low, pathetic, and a complete lie. It is much more useful and beneficial to a system to have users be open, honest, and not painting a pretty picture with lies.

More and more as time goes on the collective emotions of the world are becoming increasingly sensitive. Steem is a platform where, like you said, people have their opinions and are free to express them. Downvotes are a way of expressing ones opinion.

I am not the kind to say such things, but you've managed to make me lose my cool. The best thing you, mr @berniesanders , can do for steemit and its community is die in an oil fire.

LMFAOLMFAOLMFAOLMFAOLMFAO

The fucking hypocrisy is running rampant.

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6 votes

techslut (70) · 7 years ago

Yeah, because running @randowhale then using that money to attack anyone supporting the competition is not hypocrisy. No problem. I am done with this platform.

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netuoso (70) · 7 years ago

Good. Maybe people will use the SP you have delegated in more useful ways than you clearly do.

Toodaloo!

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4 votes

techslut (70) · 7 years ago

I am delegating it to whoever stands up to that guy whose ass contains your tongue.

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netuoso (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

I mean the power that @steempty is wasting on you thru @fminerten.

By all means. Keep using your voting power on me and bernie instead of sharing it with the community.

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techslut (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

What community? This is not a community. It's a dictatorship ruled by bullies and their sockpuppets. Nothing more.

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techslut (70) · 7 years ago

But you are right. Why downvote you if I can learn from your favorite ass to lick and just upvote myself? From now on, before upvoting anyone's content, I will be sure to check if they're followers of your master and treat their content accordingly (leave it to bernie to upvote). Thanks for the tip!

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ghayas (68) · 7 years ago

People on Steemit are overly cordial because they are actually trying to get a vote or something.

You just put all of the users in one basket for a freaking Upvote. As if Steemit is their 'bread n butter'?

To me, that level of behavior is low, pathetic, and a complete lie.

Why would you think so? May be they had a good upbringing. May be you are too used to other social medias and forgot the fact that Steemit is used by more mature users. I am certainly not questioning your wisdom or experience on Steemit because I know you have been here since long and very much involved in the community projects. Just curious to know.

It is much more useful and beneficial to a system to have users be open, honest, and not painting a pretty picture with lies.

Spot on, agreed ! but how do you scale that?

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netuoso (70) · 7 years ago

Honesty is already web scale!

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ghayas (68) · 7 years ago

And my head is spinning again. xD

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sammarkjames (59) · 7 years ago (edited)

I think unfortunately for those who care about the platform, it'll die. It's the vessel for bigger things, and we are the guinea pigs. The currency will live on in it's current form and through SMTs I'm sure, but to the detriment of the platform. It's already been noticed that none of the founders of Steemit actively post here. What does that say about it? That they are Gods who created a world but do not want to live in it? Great! :P

The system is flawed for sure, but using a bot is basically the same as advertising. It's true some people will boost their absolute shite, or perhaps like me boost their work that could be interesting to some but isn't mind blowing stuff either. Without bots upvoting me, my work is not seen. By using them intelligently I've been able to turn over a tiny profit which I hope will grow as the currency value goes up. As with advertising, you are able to put your product or content infront of a lot of people, for money. And the people can then decide if they want to vote on it or whatever, you still have the choice, but the author has made themselves a little sum of money ontop without your support. Why does that matter?

So, what does everyone expect? This isn't a charity website and people wanna get paid. It's here so we can continue creating content, as people did before on other platforms, but the content has a value now, a motive.

In conclusion. Fuck it. I love how the criticisms usually come from people who are doing something similar themselves, is it jealousy? Who knows. Anyway, it's a shame it all comes to this.

I would say Steem on, but probably just don't if it annoys you so much? There's a big world outside of Steemit and it's way waaaaaaaay cooler out there trust me.

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago

How dare you threaten Steem's Central Bank of Abuse ?

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13 votes

schattenjaeger (71) · 7 years ago

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surfermarly (74) · 7 years ago

To be honest, usually I'm not a huge fan of your type of communication, but this time you're spot on.

Minnowbooster is boosting everything but not minnows (a quick look at the trending page helps). Services like these are a nightmare for the platform's development.

Thanks for bringing this up!

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8 votes

mammasitta (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

You read my mind and got my last 100%!!!!! @berniesanders spoke up finally

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surfermarly (74) · 7 years ago

One of the core ideas of steemit is to give value back to the ones who create value. Vote buying is completely against that philosophy, it's an offense to content cratores and will erode the quality standard we have. I'm happiest someone stood up and started to talk about it!!!

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2 votes

edolo (58) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders I'm curious. What would you like minnowbooster to do? Shut down? Or do you want them to change they way they run their business? I agree they cause a lot of damage to the rewards pool, so don't think I'm disagreeing. Im just curious what your proposed solution is.

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

There is a solution built into the system, they're called flags.

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netuoso (70) · 7 years ago

Careful, looks like techslut is going to drop your rep a few points. You angered her.

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generation.easy (65) · 7 years ago

Some of you might not like bernie...

But atleast he is one of the whales that actually cares about the platform long term. I cant even count how many scams he has broken up for the benifit to the rest of us.
Original curie, minnow curator...
I would have quit long ago without bernie.

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7 votes

mammasitta (70) · 7 years ago

word up !

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justinschwalm (48) · 7 years ago

You upvote yourself with multiple accounts and drain the pool in the same way for your own benefit. If you have a problem with others doing it why do you?

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9 votes

gotgame (63) · 7 years ago

It has gotten to that point where minnows have to start looking for some sort of backdoor/hack to getting more exposure and better payouts.

Most people are not being encouraged to write good content anymore, it's already almost completely established that good content does not equal a fair amount of upvotes, only the big keep getting bigger and the little to share crumbs.

Even the bots that belong to the big find a way to rip us off our small earnings. Not that any of us are being forced to use them though

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mobbs (69) · 7 years ago

Who the hell is kpine and why is sweetsssj upvoting all these things

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netuoso (70) · 7 years ago

Through the use of Streemian and other vote trail services.

Come on, this is nothing new.

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mobbs (69) · 7 years ago

I didn't say 'how'...

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netuoso (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

Lmfao, ok then bud let me rephrase it for you to better understand.

In Steem, you make money from curating content that gets paid. The same authors often get high payouts or recognition for their posts. Therefore, users with large SP will AUTOMATICALLY vote for users that fit the profile of accounts that earn curators money.

Does this make sense so far?

As you can likely assume, users with hundreds of thousands of dollars often don't just sit around on Steem all day reading thru bullshit spam to vote for the posts. And of course, they want their SP to be used.

Therefore, large users either delegate their power to services that give them a payout similar to self voting with that power. Or, they use their power in automated voting services to ensure they will receive their benefit of holding such a large stake.

I figured all that was known, or assumed, and you just wanted to know how it was being done. Because the question of "why would someone automatically vote for accounts that earn high payouts" is a damn simple one to answer.

I would wager to say that automated voting by users with large SP is more beneficial to the community en masse than delegating large amounts of SP to pay-for-vote services. (That is, of course, my opinion)

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mobbs (69) · 7 years ago

Huh, here's me thinking you were one of the cool, not patronizing assholes. Thanks for informing me of what I already knew though.

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netuoso (70) · 7 years ago

So I spend time to throughly answer your question with plenty of details and I guess you don't like my wording so I am an asshole.

This is what I refer to when I say people are overly sensitive pussies.

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mobbs (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

I'm not sensitive at all. But 'lmfao let me make it real simple for you buddy' 'come on this is nothing new' and 'its a damn simple one to ask', you know, you're not making any friends with that are ya?

What if I was purely a blogger, not engaged in all the ins and outs until now?

Not that the effort went unappreciated, but I was asking from a position of knowing exactly what's going on. As in, why are they supporting such huge payouts to such an average post, morally speaking, why aren't they paying attention to this and the betterment of the reward sharing, especially given that the MB team has already conceded that they no longer need to have these posts in the trending anymore and will look at preventing it.

I know several users with hundreds of thousands who pay attention to the quality of their upvoting - with great power comes great responsibility and such, that was my point.

I'm not strongly against it like Bernie per se, but I can see where he's coming from.

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netuoso (70) · 7 years ago

I misinterpreted the meaning of your question, clearly.

Morally, they don't give a fuck. They want money.

That's why it was so shitty when ned was delegating so much to the biggest offenders.

Many people are raping the rewards pool in one way or another, some are just having a more lasting and noticeable effect.

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teknow (43) · 7 years ago (edited)

You actually are very condescending.

Does this make sense so far?

That is a bitter way to communicate.

This is what I refer to when I say people are overly sensitive pussies.

How is that constructive. I don't disagree that human has regressed in recent years due to social engineering but that statements says more about you and your desire to be seen as superior.

Evidently, true leaders would never speak in that manner. It's only the one's who can never acquire the status that then attempt to shout it loud in hope that someone believes it.

For the record. I am neutral on @berniesanders. He has good intentions but execution is unsettling.

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rawdawg (61) · 7 years ago

Agree with you about the overly sensitive pussies! Lil cry baby bitches!

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

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mammasitta (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

It’s quite obvious if you look at the accounts they vote for, especially @kpine

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freebornangel (73) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks, Bernie, they stuck their thumbs in their ears, stuck out their tongue, and waggled their fingers when i pointed out how ganging up to rape the reward pool is bad long term.

I dont much like vote selling, either, but at least it is an individual initative.

Buying rewards for garbage is on the buyer more than the seller, much the same way that cigarette sellers are just practicing good crapitalism.

scipio (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hello @berniesanders . You are downvoting me as well on my post I worked for over 4 hours on. I'm only here at Steemit since about 2 weeks and I haven't been using @minnowbooster at all, I just tried two @booster votes before each worth $0.25 just to understand how they work, that's all.

What did I do to make you angry at me? We haven't even talked before as far as I know?

Update: I think I understand now what happened, somebody else, NOT ME called @booster to sponsor my post yesterday because they liked my post so much, and your trail downvoted that boost.
As a matter of fact, on the same post, yesterday I got upvoted by nextgen - I think...

Update 2: the downvotes are gone now, thank you. And PS: I hate spam, and unfair games too.

Peace

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shello (62) · 7 years ago (edited)

Good afternoon @berniesanders,

I'm commenting today after I got a message in discord. I am not here to take sides, because I don't fully understand what is going on, but wanted to leave instead my experience with the @minnowbooster services and what is going on in my mind.

I got approved for their white list, and they manually checked and read through my account beforehand. Limiting the slots I feel has a good and bad impact. In one sense, users that meet their quality standards are entrusted to be able to vote their post heavily to help get followers and gain visibility. However, I would imagine that some users would throw max votes at things that aren't at the quality for it. Minnowbooster in a way is trying to gain an edge over Steemians who want to have their own edge.

Being able to spend so much at a time, does support minnow booster better and allows it to grow faster, however, boosting announcement posts does seem greedy as this service is already well known and has exposure. I will say that although a couple of my posts had increased in value due to this, it isn't the use of voting services that helps my account the most.

I was super against using voting bots for a while, because one thing that I do believe is that buying large up votes and seeing the instant return makes users become more reliant on those kinds of services, and I even wrote a post that I felt like my post quality was dropping from depending on these votes so much.

I have faith in minnowbooster to turn it around, and not just vote their own posts when the rewards could go to the very people using their service. I don't want to see a Steemit where everyone becomes too dependent on buying votes, that users start to believe that it's the only way to succeed. I know I did for a while.

Just a red fish,
@shello

EDIT: MB didn't approve earthnation, but approved the main guy's account. I'm fucking over it.

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2 votes

saywha (63) · 7 years ago

Immediately thought of this...

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mukhtar.juned (59) · 7 years ago

meaning we have to be very careful with all the false promises that have no results, thank you for sharing and will be our guidance forwards

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juliusfatai (58) · 7 years ago

I dont think quality of post really matters on steemit.

Like @interceptor51 said and i quote

well its like Saudi Arabia. They have terrible reputation, but they have oil.

First i dont understand how someone with a low reputation are making waves, post with tweet making over 500usd, i swear its tirering, let me know if this platform is for the rich, i will quitely leave...

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2 votes

interceptor (52) · 7 years ago

its still great compared to photos of food plates, nails and cookies on trending page.

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charles1 (68) · 7 years ago

Hahahah I agree....Hahahah

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lacroix (45) · 7 years ago

I like you Mr. Bernie Sanders

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markperandin (61) · 7 years ago

I don't know the answer but there is a rotten dictatorship somewhere.

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elshadr (62) · 7 years ago

Yes, sure i'm so ready...

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crashsen (41) · 7 years ago

Your posts always make me laugh. Thanks, haha :) Looking forward to the show!

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myeasin (57) · 7 years ago

I say you something i am new..
My question is your reputation power (-19) but earn many dollars how is it possible?

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interceptor (52) · 7 years ago

well its like Saudi Arabia. They have terrible reputation, but they have oil.

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15 votes

guiltyparties (70) · 7 years ago

Best. Comment. Ever.

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sircork (64) · 7 years ago

You got that right!

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brumest (68) · 7 years ago

LOL

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bobinson (63) · 7 years ago

that too whale oil ;-)

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acidyo (80) · 7 years ago

rofl

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myeasin (57) · 7 years ago

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interceptor (52) · 7 years ago

You know, Iraq also wanted just some help to get rid of crazy Saddam, but they ended flattened to dust during the process...

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myeasin (57) · 7 years ago

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interceptor (52) · 7 years ago

done ^

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anonimous (62) · 7 years ago

Ha nice :)

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tuck-fheman (74) · 7 years ago

The accounts reputation is low due to flags from the Founders disagreeing with its position or simply because the Founders of Steemit act irrationally and childish in many instances without having all of the facts. I myself have experienced flags from the Founders early on for simply doing some #grassroots marketing for Steemit, which they openly promote these days.

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juvyjabian (72) · 7 years ago

Hi there, its been a while. It's nice to hear from you again @berniesanders

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hilmi (53) · 7 years ago

good readten

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bbomber (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hello @berniesanders, i noticed these four accounts here, here, here and here up voting bad content regularly with almost 600k+ steempower collectively, please do something about them they are drying up the steemit reward pool regularly to fullfill their greedy nature, here are some proofs of there greedy upvoting with links,

Shit comment link

and not only that they are also upvoting their own posts every time with 600k sp collectively and they also get 5sbd and sell their full vote and i think two big account who is supporting all those greedy peoples is here and here as far as i do my research they are sending 50sbd per 100k steempower daily towards main steem delegator.

Please sir stop them to upvote the shit contents they are destroying our beloved steemit.

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rana420 (55) · 7 years ago

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