He doesn't care. He think that the bacteria in his stomach make decisions for him, because someone found a correlation between mood and stomach bacteria.
Apparently, the logic boils down to
Tood = free will = since stuff can influence my mood I have no free will.
It's like, freshman Philosophy 101 up in here.
I actually presented plenty of other evidence besides science. Care to put your emotions aside and elaborate like a human being that is older than 15?
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The fact that you persist in trying to defend determinism and convince others that they have no free will displays your own internal acknowledgement that others have the freedom to choose what they believe. I can choose to eat, read, watch, and write different things; they will all have an affect on my mentality and future but, as others have already stated, they remain choices determined by my own thought process regardless of the influencing factors.
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not really. it demonstrates that i want to have a conversation. you assume too much.
depending on ads on tv or conversations you had in the past :)
How can you be sure that your choices are yours then?
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Based on your logic, we're all gods determining the destinies of other gods and atoms are just smaller gods that determine the destinies of bigger gods. The only defense you have is "how can you be sure that your choices are yours then?" How can I be sure? Well, I could go place my hand on something red-hot. I dare say more influences would tell me not to than would but I'm not going to because I'd prefer to preserve my hands to exercise my free will and free speech.
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not really.
How do you know that this example was your and not a classic one used by popular culture in order to convey the message of danger :)
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And yet people still choose to either confront or avoid danger. You just persist in avoiding the fact that choices are involved. A message is simply that, a communication. What you do with it, is free will. Some have strong wills than others and I think you're aware of that as you seem to be set on angering me based upon your presumptuous attribution of that emotion. Deterministic folks amuse me, more often than not, especially when they try to convince me that I have no free will ;)
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Great comments mate! I actually made a video about this very subject the other month and I shared it on my blog today. Check it out! :]
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I admit that choices are involved. I doubt though that those are the results of the hosts :)
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Yes, it would be quite nice if we could blame our bad decisions on microorganisms the live in our gut. After all, people get pissed when you blame them for your own poor choices; why confront yourself when you could blame bacteria? Still you have a direct capacity to change the bacteria in your body, so bacteria can only be determinative until you choose to do something about it.
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Where are those evidences? I can hardly find any. And wasn't that you the one who stated that only scientific method can give reliable data?
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I provided plenty of evidence with the links. I also provided a rational argument how it impossible for free will to exist in a universe where everything is connected to everything else.
For those who need scientific evidence I provided science. For those who needed rational evidence I provided arguments.
You can try and debate those.
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Your evidences has no significance value. Even the author of the article don't make such bold allegations as you do. Other parts of your article is blah blah blah based on nothing.
Arguments as evidence? You've surpassed yourself))) While in science world we are looking for the evidences to support the argument you are presenting arguments as evidences. You're dilettante and you have proven it once more.
Article about pedophiles has nothing to do with the free will. Don't confuse inclination and action.
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But it does. Who are you to determine value anws?
There is no need for him to make. You are the one making the allegation that free will exists. Again, you are intellectually dishonest since you provide no evidence for it.
not an argument.
I did provide both philosophical arguments and scientific evidence. You provided zero. (other than significant amounts of butthurt like in the previous post)
ofcourse it does. It shows how brain physiology can change who you are. A tumor can do it, drugs can do it as well, even a conversation with a special someone can change your future actions.
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Yes, it shows how brain physiology can change who you are. So what? Trauma can also turn you into a vegetable. If you have lost a free will*(let us assume it exists) because of trauma or any other physiological changes it doesn't mean that free will doesn't exist at all. Changes means only that you have a deal with new circumstances.
Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action.
Have you proved that inclination 100% leads to action? Prove it first than we will talk about it. Can your opinion without any support serve as a strong argument? Surely not. A deductive argument is sound if and only if it is both valid, and all of its premises are actually true but your premises are false hence your conclusion is false.
Intellectualy dishonest?))) What an argument)))
Mentioned study only states that we can predict with a 60% probability what button will be pressed. As i have said earlier the results are interesting, still they can not serve as a proof. Let's measure more complex tasks first but before it's done you have no scientific support for your claims. 20 years of thorough study the author said. Your personal interpretation of a particular study can't serve as evidence.
So what do we have here? Unsounded arguments and link to an academic study that doesn't make any claims that can support your conclusions and states the necessity of further research on the matter.
P.s.
Alexis fairly pointed that such kind of topics need more thorough approach. I also think so. Try harder next time or you will always end up with such superficial articles as this.
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You are still left with a negative. You need to demonstrate that it exists. Assuming that it does (whether pink flying elephants of free will or god) doesn't cut it. The burden of proof is not on me. I just provided sufficient evidence that it is impossible to exist.
That's not what I mean. Ofcourse we all choose how to act. The point is how that is influenced. How do we know it is ours and not influenced from other things?
There is no need for "thorough" examination. We have a very basic question here. Humans are the product of their environment. Our parents, friends, family, food,. everything contributes to what makes us, us.
The question for someone who believes in free will is simple. How do you know that the actions you choose to take are yours and not influenced by someone else?
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You haven't defined the "free will" in your article.
If we will define "free will" as an infinite possibilities not limited by anything than "free will" doesn't exist. Give a definition first and then we can have a serious dispute about that.
If your statement in that actions are influenced by something than you're right. Someone should be an idiot to state the opposite. But influence does not equal determine.
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You could address the fatal flaw in your argument I pointed out in another comment.
Or, you could address the fact that almost everyone here disagrees with you:
"I'm not sure this article even understands the concept of free will. "
"wrong"
"Free will isn't a mood"
"On the level of consciousness there is however free will. I "can choose" "
@maxnachamkin knows the type of anti-rationalism you are promoting:
"The "there is no free will" paradigm is used to shirk responsibility for how someone's actions are affecting one's life and the lives around them."
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