Psychic Poker - do cardplayers use ESP to gain an advantage? Part 1

in poker •  8 years ago  (edited)

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Is it possible that poker is, to some extent, a game played with psychic abilities? Many players wouldn't even consider the idea. They think in terms of science and numbers, and so the things which aren't commonly discussed in science are also off-limits for them. Of course, it's rare that you can expose truth by ignoring something. In my experience, using psychic abilities is something that occurs in card games, even something that occurs often.

If it happened, it'd be on the TV!

There's a classic comic from XKCD in which the author makes the case that it's very unlikely that psychic abilities exist, because if they did, they would be used in all sorts of industries:

The economic argument

Likewise, if psychic abilities did exist, it would be likely that cardplayers would use them, just as companies would for oil prospecting - and presumably, we would know about it.

The counterargument is twofold:

  1. Cardplayers and oil companies do not gain by admitting something which would make them appear nutty to their investors or backers; and
  2. Cardplayers and oil companies do not gain by telling people about something which gives them a hidden advantage.

It's in the interest of cardplayers to do whatever is in their power to improve their game - however, most professional cardplayers won't even admit that they read books about poker. They don't want potential competition to know the fastest path to improving their game. Would it be such a surprise if cardplayers conceal something so important? After all, they're in the business of deception.

Texas Dolly weighs in

The man whom many know as the greatest player in the history of poker, Doyle Brunson, had these words to share in the original version of his famous book Super/System:

I believe some good poker players actually employ a degree of extrasensory perception (ESP). While I've never studied the subject in depth, it seems to me there's too much evidence to ignore that ESP exists or that most people have it to some degree. Everybody has had the experience of riding with someone else in an automobile and thinking of a song, then being surprised to hear his companion start singing that very song.

You can't imagine how often I've called a player's exact hand to myself and been proven right. There's even a plausible, though completely unproven, explanation how a person could know what cards another player is holding. The brain's functions involve electrical impulses. In this electronic age we're becoming more familiar every day with appliances which broadcast, purely as an unintentional by-product, energy impulses which are picked up on dissimilar appliances at considerable distances.

Is it really too unreasonable to suspect that such a highly sophisticated electrical device as the human brain, during the intensity of concentration in a big pot, could broadcast a simple message like "a pair of jacks" a mere eight feet?

To be continued...

If Doyle Brunson is thinks that there is evidence for psychic abilities, and we know that players in general have some reasons to hide them, then it is reasonable to ask the question.

In my next posts, I'll talk about some case studies from hands I've played, and types of psychic abilities which might be useful. I invite you to share unusual stories from your own time at the card table. Please press follow to join me on more adventures!


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Being scientifically minded, I am very skeptical about psychic abilities. However, having been a professional poker player in a former career, I know what Doyle Brunson (Texas Dolly) is talking about...

I would not call it extrasensory, but rather how the unconscious (subconscious mind) processes information. When you are sitting around a poker table there is ample time to study other players and the situation to glean obscure, incidental information. After counting the cards and calculating the probabilities becomes second nature from constant practice, the mind has time to observe tells, interpret body language and draw conclusions. It's like machine learning or AI, except that the intelligence isn't a computer algorithm but a poker player's brain reckoning how to maximize winnings.

I can't make the experience something concrete that anyone can understand and duplicate. All I know is that when I was in good mental zone, I had a better than average ability to predict the hand my opponent was on. Unfortunately, I did not think to record my predictions and results in a scientific study. Being scientific is not a profitable persona at a poker table;)


One time, I even faced Doyle Brunson over a poker table at The Mint in downtown Las Vegas. I remember it rather well though it was 37 years ago. At the showdown (after the betting), Doyle showed jacks and 10s, but I won the hand with queens and 8s. Beating Texas Dolly by a narrow margin in a hand of poker doesn't prove much of anything, but it is sincerely a cherished memory of my experience with the great legend of Poker.

I very much agree with this.

One of the things I have realized is that, if you haven't played live in a while, you need a few sessions to regain your gut feeling, especially for relatively close situations...

Also LOL the mint this guy is old skool.

Exactly.

Also, poker players don't make nearly as much as some people might think. If you did in fact have psychic abilities, it'd be much more profitable to share them with the world than to keep them to yourself and play poker...

seriously ? that's a great story!!
your explanation makes s much sense though! if we do "know" it's a bunch of factors that we are no aware of, not hidden abilities -

Yep, I'm real serious. Someday we'll knock back a few beers and I'll tell you some more of my poker stories. If you live 67 years it's difficult to not have something interesting happen. (^_-)

:) if i'm ever in the good ol us or you visit europe give me a sign :D

That's pretty cool. All of it I mean. The ability you developed, and the win against Doyle.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

I wouldn't take much stock into SuperSystem. For one, the book is nearly 40 years old, and was written when players were likely much more obvious about their holdings. Guessing exactly what predictable players have is common. Secondly, Doyle basically wrote the book to continue suckering people. For instance he had Bobby Baldwin write a chapter in the original and Lyle Berman write a chapter in the second edition. Both players are high stakes fish and lost money regularly to Doyle. Third....Doyle isn't a scientist. He's a texas hustler that grinded his ass off for 50 years. He also doesn't believe in Climate Change and will be voting for Trump.

I think the idea of this is nonsense. If someone is especially adept at reading people, for instance Antonio Esfandiari, it's because he understands human nature, has strong pattern recognition skills, and is good at reading physical tells, not ESP. This isn't even pseudoscience, it's pure fantasy.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Secondly, Doyle basically wrote the book to continue suckering people.

This. Doyle Brunson says some ridiculous bullshit that even he probably doesn't believe in order to maintain the "mystique" of the professional poker player. Right before the UIGEA he did a bunch of commercials for his online poker room (either that or FT) that were flat out absurd and made everyone in my generation vomit in our mouths a little bit.

I think Doyle and his generation of poker players are cool as hell, but for the most part, theyre people who made their fortune hustling slack jawed yokels who couldn't read or multiply. And a big part of their strategy was maintaining a certain image of part magician, part gunfighter, part math genius that caused people to be afraid to make moves on them or "play back" at them when they were bluffing.

For instance he had Bobby Baldwin write a chapter in the original and Lyle Berman write a chapter in the second edition. Both players are high stakes fish and lost money regularly to Doyle.

Its amazing to me how many people think baldwin is a legendary player just based on the fact that he had his own chapter in supersystem. In fact, the old high stakes games were built around Bobby. The reason the Mirage lost its status as the main strip poker room is that baldwin got hired as the casino manager there in 87, and wasn't allowed to play any more. So they moved it over to the bellagio.

That said, one should keep in mind that Baldwin and Berman were OK poker players in their own right (and berman is probably more resonsible than anyone else, including moneymaker, for the moneymaker poker boom), they were just not as good as the pros in the games that doyle played (which, at the time, were some of the toughest games in the world)..

This is implicit when a poker player calls someone a fish, and prob. what daut44 meant, but bears clarification for the non poker players out there.

I agree with your skepticism for the most part, however, there is still that unexplainable "gut feeling" that anyone can have which may someday prove itself to be a form of ESP. We only use a small portion of our brain afterall, and if all matter is connected as physics points too, it wouldn't be unfeasible if extra sensory abilities were able to perceive more than meets the eye.

The root of all superstition is that we remember when something happens, but not when it doesn't. Thats a big part of why people take too much stock in gut feeling.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

One time i played against this guy named potripper. It was like he could see my cards. Maybe he was psychic.

ANyway, even though I think the notions expressed in this article are somewhat far fetched, i've upvoted because OP makes his thesis decently enough.

Looks like Potripper had quite the reputation

New 9/17 update: We have the Potripper final table HH: "]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=beats&Number=1212 3790. At this final table, he open folded PF twice and folded to a single PF raise twice in the last 27 hands. Both open folds were with AA and KK behind; the folds made to a raise were when villains had QQ and JJ.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/absolute-soulreading-rigged-thread-3-potripper-15436/?s=fa9e53a36b519acb808106c20d07570c

I didn't read the whole thread, but it looks like he was probably a cheat.

yeah, that was a joke. Potripper was an account used by probably the biggest internet cheating ring ever (they had a back door installed in the poker client and could see their opponents cards)

Ohh right. I guess I'm not old school enough - that one went right over my head. Haha

In my opinion poker is a game of skill as well as luck and of course basic math.
I suck on the last one I must admit.
I have friends how can count the cards and store the information in their memory palate.But for me...lets say that I failed...to do this...I tryed but I failed.
My friends tell me that it can help to thing about strong memories and put them in cards and give them shape....again ...I must say I failed at this.
And now about ESP:

  • Well I tryed to guess my opponent's cards but still I failed.
    BUT

    Somehow.... I am lucky at pocker ....I dunno how but I just am lucky at poker not at a expert level but still I am often lucky at this game I canot explain it.

One interesting thing about poker is there can be very long winning streaks. I have heard of streaks lasting for months. The unfortunate thing is there can be really long losing streaks too...

Why do you need to count cards to play poker? I guess you play stud.

I think there are many factors that go into luck, when one person is more or less lucky than others. Maybe psychic powers are a part of it. I'll touch on that in the following posts.

Yep I totally agree with you on this matter and I curios to see your next posts!

Very insightful post!

  ·  8 years ago Reveal Comment


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