You know part of the reason Canadians come here? Because Americans are going there and trying up their system.
Cherry picking a few examples is, well, just that: cherry picking. Looking at any actual statistics every socialized Healthcare system ranks better than ours.
For every example of someone having trouble with their system I can probably find ten of people dying or going bankrupt because of ours.
EDIT: Oh, and asking about my military service? Really? So trying to invalidate my argument by focusing on me instead of the facts eh?
Well you're right, I wasn't in the military. A lot of my family was though, and are consistently receiving treatment through the VA. My dad was actually saved from cancer a few years ago, with months of treatment and surgeries. So yeah, it doesn't seem quite as bad as you're trying to make it seem.
Although the VA definitely does have problems, and many of those problems are caused by Republicans refusing to give them any money in the budget. You have an entire party ideologically opposed to healthcare, essentially forcing socialized healthcare to look bad in an attempt to prove their point.
Odd how ALL of the budgets of ALL of the federal departments have gone up, and up, and up
damn republicans..not doing a very good job are they?
Health care for example
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Funny how I said VA, and you post "all budgets combined."
Disingenuous much?
Here's the VA budget: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/30/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-va-budget-has-risen-85-percent-h/
Note that the discretionary budget, the part they could use to actually upgrade their infrastructure and improve service, has barely ticked up?
And again THEY FUCKING SAVED MY DAD FROM CANCER.
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Yes, that's exactly the same as what my chart showed.
Barely increased budget, especially when you take into account the wars started around that time and the increased number of veterans. Looks like just enough to keep things going, but not enough to modernize their systems so they can be effective. Which. Is. The. Problem.
One estimate for replacing their computer system (VistA, which they built in the 70's) is $16 billion. As your graph just showed their budget has gone up by a grand total of $20 billion over a decade, while they've also been handling more and more veterans.
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reckon this might have anything to do with it?
one payer system requires a LOT of administration.
note how much of an increase in admin cost (the yellow) vs the guys who actually get the job done.
The guys who saved your father from cancer?
That curve is in orange...hm...it didn't increase much did it?
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Since that looks like healthcare in general, it looks like health insurance is what takes too much administration...
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yup...you finally begin to see the light.
Single payer does that.
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Funny, every time you say "begin to see the light" it's as if you've completely misunderstood what I wrote.
The graph you posted, that is not for "single payer." It's not for the VA. It's for the current insurance based healthcare system the US has now. It's showing that dealing with the dozens of insurance companies is creating a huge administrative burden, and therefore cost, for the insurance.
Single payer would reduce that yellow area.
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You know part of the reason Canadians come here? Because Americans are going there and trying up their system.
you know?
that's the first time that I've ever heard that.
and I converse with a number of Canadians on line.
never heard it in the media either.
odd how they've never mentioned it.
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I heard this from a guy in Toronto who's dad was waiting for some cancer treatment. Americans drive there because it's cheaper, and they get prioritized because they pay into the system.
I can't really find anything on google, but most searches are just turning up the "Canadians going to America" stuff because google isn't great at context.
I will say this though: Canada is pretty much the worst example of a socialized healthcare system, and it's still a little better than hours. They may have to worry about wait times, but they get treatment without going bankrupt. In America, you can be rich, you can go bankrupt (even if you have insurance) or you can die.
Yay.
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ah..you 'heard from a guy' who heard it from another guy, who heard it from his sister, who heard it from her boy friend...
gotcha.
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Oh good, you've gotten to the point of not reading what I post. And you wonder why I called you a troll.
If you're not going to read, fuck off.
Like literally, the next four words in that sentence were "in Toronto whose dad." You couldn't read four more words, let alone the rest of the post? Fuck off.
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