Psychology Addict #24 | Is Psychology a Science?

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This is a question I have encountered quite a few times over the period I’ve been here on Steemit. While I am open to debate, the arguments put forward by those who are reluctant to accept psychology as a science make me cringe a little bit! And this is precisely when I ask myself why don’t people ask?Instead of just blurting out their opinions.

So, when pacing up and down while trying to find a way to demonstrate some of the aspects that make psychology a science, I thought that it would be sensible to start with the very denotative definition of the word science. A minute later, there I was googling: meaning of science.

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The search result could not have been better for two reasons:

  1. it helped me to improve my own definition of the word,
  2. it helped me to plan my post!

How? Well, can you think of anything that makes us think of science other than experiments? You hear the word experiment, you immediately think: Science! So, I was in luck because I love, love, love experiments. As much as I appreciate case studies, ethnographical approaches, content analyses (which all, by the way, constitute the systematic study mentioned on the definition above) etc... for me, reading experimental research is as enjoyable as reading a good classic novel! Whether it is a between-participant or within-participant experiment, or with animals ... I don’t mind. Bring it on! Although, truth to be told, some of the animal experiments conducted up to the 60’s, 70’s can be heart breaking (Harry Hallow’s research with Rhesus Macaques back in the 50’s is an example).

So, for those who believe psychology is just a statistical bunch of data, a collection of contradictory theories, a conspiracy, or ... not a science; here we go.

A brief description of some of my favourite psychological laboratory studies/experiments.

Can you get more ‘sciency’ than this?

But then, of course, I don’t want just to list my top psychological experiments (this would be a quite long list). I want more! And this is because whenever studying such kind of research, psychologists have to keep ecological validity in mind, which is:

The extent to which a study reflects naturally occurring or everyday situations

Consequently, this post will proceed addressing how laboratory research, in the field of psychology, has contributed to the understanding of human behavior.

So, let’s embark on this rather long post step by step. For those of you who are out of touch with what psychological studies are all about. Here it is a brief explanation!

What are the aims of psychological studies/experiments?


Well, psychological studies seek to understand what underlies people’s behaviour and experiences. And one way of doing this is through research conducted in laboratories! This is a fascinating mode of research because here psychologists are able to isolate and manipulate determiners of responses in order to gather insight into what drives humans to interact with and react to their environment the way they do.

Experiment 1 – Exploring the role ‘consequences’ have on strengthening and eliminating behaviour, through the Skinner Box Experiment

Have you ever found yourself repeating (or, halting for that matter) a certain behaviour because of what happened afterwards? This is what this study explores/explains.

This laboratory experiment was carried out by a behaviourist psychologist (B.F Skinner) back in the 30’s. It contributed to uncover some of the underlying factors that cause humans to initiate, sustain and change their behaviour. This research enlightened this idea through showcasing the ways which behaviour can be determined by its results, by its consequences.

So, once upon a time Skinner created the Skinner box, an object that enabled him to shape the responses of rats and pigeons to subsequently obtain a certain type of behaviour from the animals. Reinforcement (the equivalent of an award or lack of it) was the process used to induce and measure the rate at which the desired behaviour took place, and punishment was the method adopted to lower the frequency of a given action. Behaviourist psychologists called attention to the principles demonstrated through this laboratory study as the underlying factors which govern the ways that humans respond in the real world, and behave in general.

Here, I am only going to discuss positive reinforcement.

In the Skinner box, positive reinforcement consisted of awarding the animals with food as to obtain a desired behaviour, which was pressing the box’s lever (for the rats), or pecking the box’s button (for the pigeons). Whenever the pigeon (for example) pecked the button some food would be delivered by an automatic system inside his box. What did he do next? Yep, he pecked the button!

But, if, for you, this seems too far fetched from how humans behave in real life why not discuss a very familiar scenario indeed where you (and I) behave quite similar to a pigeon!

STEEMIT! Yes, every time you post something you are doing the equivalent of ‘pecking the button’, the more rewards (whether they are in the form of upvotes, followers or comments) you get, the more you engage with other steemeas, the more you post and so on. It is only natural! On the other hand, if you keep on posting, but nothing come your way (again, whether it is a comment, or followers or upvotes) you will stop doing it sooner or later. Just like Skinner’s rats and pigeons!

You see how this experiment contributes to the understanding of human behaviour in the real world?

Yes! But, the limitations of such study are aplenty! And I am only going to cover it briefly. Applying these findings to non-human animals’ lives in general, disregards humans’ intricate culture, capacity to make complex decisions and elaborate plans and spoken language. This is a very deterministic view indeed. Typical behaviourist! The way they put it, it is as if we were just machines going about life with no history, rationality or sentiments. As you can imagine this upset a lot of people back them!

However, Skinner’s laboratory research contributed to the understanding that given responses can indeed be strengthened or weakened by reinforcement. And even if you doubt it, the concept that behaviour is controlled by its consequence has been a notion put into practice by institutions such as prisons and schools as a means to change undesired behaviour as well as praise expected ones.

Experiment 2 – War of the Ghosts & Eyewitness to a car accident – Let’s study memory

These were studies conducted in the laboratory that have contributed immensely to the understanding of the functions, and also the susceptibility of memory.

Memory, it has been demonstrated, is the reconstruction of past experiences through the lens of culture, hopes and perspectives (Rather than a camcorder that videotapes experiences that are later accessed and recollected in a pristine, pristine way).

The research by Bartlett illustrates this concept at the stage in which his participants were asked to retell the story ‘War of the Ghosts’ (after they had heard a recording of it). Overall, participant`s recollection was inaccurate and even contained non-existent elements! Of course, there were cross-cultural aspects in the story that lent little ecological validity to this research; but, even so, this study enlightened the fact that in the real world individuals interpret experiences according to their own expectations and knowledge. Moreover, it also brought attention to the risks of leading questions and the role language plays in influencing memory as well as how these two elements interact with each other.

You see, in real world situations both leading questions and false memories are of great importance in eyewitness testimonies, and this is a matter addressed in the experiment designed by Loftus and Palmer - Reconstruction of automobile destruction, where participants watched different videos of car accidents and had to recall later. This study analysed two aspects

  1. How precise the witnesses to a car accident were when reporting the event;
  2. The influence the wording of questions about the accident had on them. For instance, they sought to discover whether using the verbs smashed, hit or contacted in the question about the vehicle´s speed would result in different answers.

Guess what? It did!

The findings revealed that the way the question was worded influenced participant’s responses and their memory of the accident.

The participants that were in the ‘smashed’ question group estimated a mean speed 8.7 mph faster than those in the ‘contacted’ question group; they also mistakenly stated having seen broken glass in the accident scenes!

However, with psychological experiments it is not as straight-forward as I want to make a point about this and here it is! So, what would be a problem likely to arise in such research: ‘demand characteristic’. What is that? Well, it is basically when the participant of the experiment tries to ‘please’ the researcher and end up answering what they think the researcher would like them to say! Tut, tut, tut .... But, since we are talking about eyewitness testimonies, this kind of response is also applicable to real life witnesses who, for example, may behave in a way they believe a police officer expects them to, and end up saying the things they believe is the ‘correct one’. Oops!

Experiment 3 – The Obedience to Authority Study

Have you ever found yourself acting against your nature and ‘going with the flow’? If so, and you are still puzzled about it, this classic psychology study (conducted in a laboratory), might help you understand why.

Have a look:

This is, perhaps, the most well-known psychological experiment among the general public. This is a major social psychology study that has advanced the understanding of the effect situational influences exert on human behaviour; like for example, the overall context people find themselves in as well as the presence of others around them.

So, for those who doubt Psychology is a science because it falls under the branch of ‘social sciences’. Here it is! A fine, fine social psychology experiment conducted in a laboratory!

The Obedience to Authority research was conducted by Stanley Milgram; who designed the study in an attempt to make sense of the atrocities humans committed during the Second World War (he was a Jewish man). In this experiment, participants took the role of a teacher who would punish his student (a confederate) with electric shocks ranging from 15 volts to 450 volts every time he made a mistake. But, when the participant was uncertain of how to proceed due to the discomfort expressed by the ‘learner’, the experimenter would tell the teacher (the participant) what to do: basically, keep on administering painful shocks!

Now, stop to think for a minute and reflect about what you would do: you are inflicting pain on someone because an authority figure has told (please) to do so. But then, the ‘learner’ is clearly in pain; you obviously become disturbed by this, ask the experimenter who just simply tells you ‘please continue’. Would you?

This is an incredibly fascinating research because here Milgram devised a procedure that enabled to expose ordinary peoples´ attitudes and judgment on whether to inflict suffering on another person, or obey the orders given by a superior. Unlike many had predicted prior to the study, all the participants electrocuted the learner with 300 volts, and 26 out of 40 participants continued to follow the experimenter’s prods up to 450 volts! Can you imagine that?

Ps: This is when I should tell you that in reality the ‘learner’ was not receiving any electrical shock, what the ‘teacher’ heard was a recording of someone screaming and complaining.

Such findings brought to light further insight into how humans behave and respond in the real world when the necessity of making moral judgements before an authority figure arises. In view of these results Milgram inferred that individuals transfer their moral decisions and values to those in charge, as well as the consequences of their actions. This is due to the fact that the nature of ‘the work’ to be executed becomes peripheral, and the order commanded by the authority figure, together with the situation, holds centre stage. I, personally, find this fascinating!

But, what are the implications of Milgram’s conclusions. Many stated that Milgram’s findings and conclusions lift the individuals’ responsibilities from their actions. Consequently indicating that who the individual is plays a small determiner on their behaviour.

Really? So, no matter how good-natured a person is if there is someone telling them to harm a fellow human being they will do it?

So, Elms (Milgram´s assistant) decided to analyse this further. He went on to evaluate the personality of 40 participants who took part in the obedience study through standard personality tests. What did he find? No significant difference between the insubordinate individuals and the obedient ones!

What does this tell us?

That isolating one single factor to explain peoples´ responses to a given situation is to rule out a complex set of factors and components. For example: one’s personality, the presence of others, and indeed the consequences of the actions (as demonstrated by Skinner). Our behaviour and the way we respond to situations is an interplay of all these determiners.

Just in case you have made it to the end, here we are! Hopefully this long post has brought you some understanding of some aspects of psychology and its systematic, observational and experimental nature. Psychologists also deal with correlation coefficients, dependent and independent variables, inductive coding, inferential statistics, measures of central tendency and so on ... This is of course, only a fraction of what psychology encompasses, and it is very, very beautiful.

[Original Content by Abigail Dantes 2017]


Reference List:

Loftus, E.F and Palmer, J.C. (1974) ‘Reconstruction of automobile destruction: an example of the interaction between language and memory’, Journal of Verbal Learning and Verbal Behaviour, vol.13, no.5, pp.585-9.

Milgram, S. (1963) ‘Behavioural study of obedience’, Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, vol. 67, no. 4, pp. 371-8.

Skinner, B.F The behaviour of organisms: An experimental analyses, New York, NY, Appleton-Century-Crofts.

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I would agree that psychology is a science. Any part of a discipline that uses experiments along with rigorous statistical analysis of data can be considered as scientific. However, I also think science is not the only useful method to aquire knowledge which is a view held by many people today who subscribe to a naturalistic view of the world. I believe earlier psychologists used these methods and while they might not have used rigorous statistics they still made contributions to knowledge. I think is it this latter part of psychology that makes some skeptical.

Hi @timspeer, thank you so much for stopping by and commenting! Yes, I fully agree that early psychologist are the ones to blame for this skepticism :D but, as I said before, it has been nearly a century since behaviorists brought a measurable and analytical approach to the field! My point is, how long more do people need? On the other hand, when one sees that psychology nowadays is still largely associated with the theoretical and subjective methods of psychoanalyses one understands the confusion a little better!
Happy 2018 Tim :)

Is this where 'art' comes in? I tend to think that art and science are complementary ways that the mind works to acquire and apply knowledge. Sometimes it is a matter of perspective, but I tend to think that most human endeavour can be viewed as both art & science, at least the ones that seem to excel in being creative/innovative.

Hm... not so long after all. I had actually printed out this post to prepare myself for something long and hard to understand, but in the end I found your post quite "entertaining", if you allow me that expression. In fact, it felt like you deliberately kept a few things a little short...

When I started reading, I immediately thought, the arguments you list for psychology being a science, sound like something, that applies to the way I work as an artist. Painter, to be precise. Which would mean, art is a science too! Ok, I found my mistake. Although "...the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation..." are similar, its the position of the experiment. At first I'm like... "yes, I too experiment a lot", only to understand that the reason and purpose/aim of the experiment is different...

It is very interesting to read, how people have tried to find these scientific validations for their theories. I have heard of the thing with (false) memories. Reminds me of a line of Peter Ustinov in.. I don't remember, was it "Murder in the Orient Express" or the "Evil under the Sun" where her referred exactly to this fact, how perception and memory can be fooled and manipulated.

This issue is particularly interesting for me as a painter, where you often have to rely on your memory or knowledge (?) of something, you want to depict. I always use the example, where I say, look at your hand in a certain position. Now look at your paper and draw it from memory without looking again. Almost impossible! I actually like to play with such things in my work to draw something in way that it looks right, but when you take a closer look, it isn't.

The one that really gives me the creeps is the Milgram's experiment. Of course the results alone are shocking, but much more than that is for me the question, of how I would have "performed". I would hope, I would have sided with the "victims" and protected them, what seems like a natural instinct.

On a completely different, totally non scientific approach: Are you familiar with Olga Kharitidi's book "entering the circle"? I read it some 20 years ago and could not put it down, after I started it. Its supposed to be the true story of a Russian Psychiatrist (sorry), of how she got in touch with "scientific research" as well as the ancient wisdom and methods of the shamans in the Altai mountains in southern Siberia. If its true, its quite fascinating.

OK, before I forget.. as far as I'm concerned you made your point very well and I agree, that psychology (today) is a science 😁

You are spoiling me with these great comments of yours @reinhard-schmid! I actually am very pleased to hear you found the post entertaining, my last intention here was to just list a series of experimental methods, designs and outcomes to make my point! For that very reason I refrained from going into too much detail (as you pointed out!).

In your comment, I found the part you discussed the experimental side of art (your work) particularly interesting . Of course! Yet, I failed to see it that way up to now :)

The studies of memory also fascinate me! And Loftus' works are by far the best ones in the field (in my humble, humble opinion). As for Milgram's study, I suppose the question you asked yourself is an inevitable one! I just like to believe I would be one of the few who would fell free to challenge the 'authority' and took the humane route.

As for Olga Kharitidi's book, well ... it is now on my list of books to read in the summer (which is becoming rather long!)!

Lots of love to you and a great, great 2018 to you and all your loved ones!

You are spoiling me! With interesting content and your kind and detailed answer.

As far as the experiment is concerned, most people probably don't connect that with art. Particularly not with my work. But I did another one today. In contrast to science, it is not to prove a theory or fact, but to find a way to produce a certain result. With my reverse glass painting I have to think ahead and plan every layer carefully, to predict, how it all will look together when I turn the painting around and view it from the other side (through the glass)... its a little bit like playing chess. Therefore I frequently do a test (or experiment), to find out, how a procedure or color combination might turn out. Could also be a language thing, as in German "to experiment" can pretty much mean the same as "to try out something"...

With the Milgram's study, I think that today we should behave differently, knowing about the experiment and how it can influence people. I strongly believe, knowledge and education can change a lot of things for the better. My Grandfather, who had problems with the nazis took me to a former concentration camp, when I was 5 years old. I had no clue back then, what it was, but it was just one of his ways to teach me to be aware of injustice and evilness and always resist against it. Interesting thing is, that he was actually a quiet man, only ever raised his voice once. When I broke a branch of his pear tree. The one he had forbidden me to climb up on...

I too find the memory studies fascinating. Mainly, when it has something to do with perception. Do you know the one, where the students were to watch a basket ball (?) game and count how many times the guys with the white shirts had the ball? Something like that. From what I remember, nobody saw the person with a monkey suit on walking through the picture... Similar things happen to me all the time.. I know, because my wife sees everything!

Did a little web search last night.. the book is still available. I also had the CD that Olga Kharitidi did later together with Jim Wilson. I really liked the music. There was one track, that was supposed to be an original recording of a real shaman. Ok.. that sounded a bit weird. But what is really odd, was this: I tried to make a copy of the CD, but that particular piece could not be copied, even with several attempts! I borrowed the CD to a friend who has a professional studio, since he said, he could copy it for sure... never saw or heard it again :-/

All the best for you and your loved ones as well!

It was beautiful reading your description of the steps of your work process @reinhard-schmid, it was like the scene of a movie. It must be so beautiful being a painter :)

Your account of your father made my heart sink a little (if you allow me to be completely honest), but it was nice to hear he is and has always been a calm person. He must be filled with inner peace. I remember you told me not long ago (after Christmas?) that you were thinking of your parents with admiration for the choices they have made in life. How nice!

As for Entering the Circle; yes, I had already checked on Amazon, saw the price and read some (very good) reviews. Definitely on my list !! Sorry to hear about your CD ... oh Gosh! Doesn't that always happen?!

Best and lots of love :)

I feel very privileged with my job and that I am able to make a living as an artist. It can be quite frustrating at times, hard and difficult to accomplish what you want... but then it is often very rewarding, like today, when something gets finished and you are just so totally in love with what you created...

I have come to really admire my parents, but the man I talked about was my Grandfather. My mom's dad. Hope I didn't give you too much of a bad feeling. He was never in one of the death camps. But locked up for some time for being an "enemy of the state" for being a "communist"... just a kind and peaceful man who believed in sharing. Later he was sent to the East front to probably get killed, but he spoke Polish and Russian and repeatedly made friends with the enemies... sorry, looks like I'm getting carried away too far off topic.

Haha... yes, that lost CD really bothers me. And nobody offers a download (must be the shamanic thing). I did see a (used) CD for sale at over 300,- I'd like to have one, but not for that price!

Just read your "Introducing Myself / A letter for the Steemit community" post again, to hopefully get to know you a little better. Had to smile, seeing you with that book about Chile.. I have a colleague there who looks very much like what one can see of you on that photo. Very skilled painter.

Looking forward to what you will tell us next. In the meantime, I see a lot of the past posts looking very interesting!

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The place of psychology in science was controversial since the beginning of this branch of knowledge. As we know psychology is very, very diverse. The problem is that within a psychology you have so much paradigms that exlude each other - you can say that behaviourism says opposite things than psychoanalysis. Yet they both have some effiacy in psychotherapy! How's that!? The problem with psychology as science is that it has not even settled the definitions for most basic thing.

Many philosophers of science have exploring this problem. I've got deepen into that topic because I wrote my master thesis on contemporary attempts and empirical verification of jungian psychology. Jungian thought is often (wrongly) considered as unscientific, mystical, occulitc etc. so I had to really investigate his methods and his thoughts on psychology as science. For me it's easier to say that there is no one psychology, but many psychologies, thus many psychologies as sciences. Carl Jung said that psychology is a "mediatory science" and is quite different than other because it investigates a natural phenomena (like other natural sciences) but it uses methods from human sciences. And that is a MUST because there's no Archimedean point regarding observation of mind - whatever we do, we can't exclude our mind from the equation.

Anyway, this subject fascinates me I could go on and on but there's no point :D I prefer a wider definition of science, taken from german understanding of this word - that science is a knowledge gathered in order (Anglo-Saxons has a more strict one). Good post, but I'd argue a little that psychology is "objective" even with statistical and empirical methods. But it definitely is a science!

Wow @saunter, thank you so much for all this info. You are right, one could just go on and on and on... I appreciate very much you taking the time to add these points to this debate.
Happy 2018!

You too - Happy New Year Abi!

A very long and Insightful read.Psychology a word with it's root in Latin simply means PSYCH (mind) and LOGY (study) . Full meaning is STUDY of the MIND . This should be enough to convince anyone that's it has been a scientific subject since the time of the great Aristotle .Right now big marketing companies use psychology to advertise their goods and services by appealing to the human mind with specific words, pictures to convert sales.

Gosh @badmusgreene! I should have included this information on my post (the philology of the word psychology). Shouldn't I? Well, I appreciate very much you coming here to add more relevant information to this debate! All the best :)

My pleasure @abigail-dantes.Happy new year in advance.

I never realized this was a debate. Learning has occurred! I would have assumed it fell within science. Hypothesis, observe, record, analyze, repeat. A stripped down version of the Scientific Method, and all apply to what the field of psychology does. So, thanks for this. Another interesting experiment in psychology was the Stanford Prison Experiment. Fascinating stuff. Another great post.

Oh! The Stanford experiment is a superb experiment! Zimbardo, years later, reflected on that alongside other events and wrote The Lucifer Effect, which is magnificent. @therightsideofup, your first two sentences made me laugh! :D Thank you for your support & a very Happy New Year to you! :)

Nice post. Major unifying thread in psychology is a commitment
to the development and utilization of research methods
suitable for collecting and analyzing behavioral data.

Yep! :)
Thank you for taking the time to read @munawar

Thank you for raising this topic.

I often thought of exactly this question. Not because I came up with it myself but once listened to a lecture of Alan Watts.

When he talked about C. G. Jung (when I remember correctly), Western psychology and Eastern approach he said a sentence which never left me. It was like: "Psychotherapy is more like an art, not a science". I felt an immediate response within myself which said: "Yes".

Why? In therapy there is more than science in the room. As Psychology is interested in the behaviour of humans, the causes of disease and the methods of treatment the therapist himself needs in addition something which science cannot deliver. He needs to be an artist who "dances" with the client . A good therapist is a practitioner who picks his methods like a painter the right canvas, brush and colors in resonance with whom he is working. ... As I myself was on the clients side I was sensing, what Watts meant by that.

In addition to your fascinating article and the impressive examples you gave I thought it would be nice to mention a quality which probably cannot be measured by science.

As I am a fan of combining disciplines and "marry" them my statement is:
Yes, Psychology is a science as well as it is an Art :)

Happy New Year to you!

Thank you for these beautiful, beautiful words @erh.germany. I feel that add so much to this debate!

Yes, Psychology is a science as well as it is an Art :)

So, stealing the above sentence from you :D
Happy 2018. all the best to you and your family.

:) go ahead - all the best for you, too.

Hi @abigail-dantes . sorry for late reply. i started following you recently.
Science in a sense is independent of personal opinions, prejudices and bears same results everywhere. an infection is same for everyone around the globe, atom is same and releases same amount of energy everywhere. but i think that psychology is not same for everyone. every person has different views about the same thing. so how can psychology be "formulated". it is so much diverse. it is not an equation which should be immune to environment, culture or religion.
everyone is when born, he psychology gets altered according to his environment. but science is independent of birth, it already exists. if population of world is 7 billion then there are 7 billion psychologies behind it.
psychology cannot be "unified" because it does not work that way. because psychology is "in conflict" with every other person.
in a sense "spirituality" could be a science because in spirituality one has to kill himself of the world, he has to get rid of all "worldly distractions", and have to only focus on his "soul" and "spirit" only..
it is my humble opinion on the subject, you have the right to disagree.
if psychology would have been the science then there would not have any "need" for legislatures for individual countries. there would only have to be one "legislature" as in the case of science where all formulas and equations are same followed throughout the globe.
Regards
kay-khosa

Beautiful comment @kay-khosa :)
Thank you for this amazing insight!

thank you @abigail-dants for upvote. it means alot.

I get that question a lot too as a Psychology major. Often, they assume psychology could just be AB rather than BS (mine's BS). Then I always put in mind that when I was a Philosophy major, philosophy was even a science and not just a science but THE mother of all sciences as many scholars would say. Therefore, it was easy to reply a quick burn to those questioning the science nature of my psychology major.

However, with those experiments you cited,
it just showed how psychology is really science-y (Skinner's has always fascinated me btw). I mean, there's also the ever controversial experiments like that of Little Albert. As painful as it may sound, it's still "in the name of science".

Love this long post, didn't notice it was really long until I made it to the end. Great points!

Hi @thegiamarcos, thank you so much for taking the time to comment. I suppose this is a question all of us face. I like the point you made about philosophy too. Yeah! poor little Albert :/ the old behaviourists were a bit cruel! But, then ... they were the ones who wanted to bring a more scientific aspect to psychology!
Happy 2018 :)

Yes, it's a big question to one's morals haha. Oh, happy 2018 too!

Abby thank you for that fascinating writeup and such marvelous information!
I can definitely say I learned a lot. Haven't heard of that obedience to authority experiment before. Great stuff !
Oh, and happyyyy 2018 - one day ahead :D

@mcfarhat! Oh ... I am so pleased to hear you liked my post and also learnt from it! Ow ... Thank you so much for your kind, encouraging words! Yes, That is one of the major, major psychological studies. It absolutely fascinates me. Milgram was a genius! :)
May 2018 bring you good health, prosperity and peace. Lots and lots of love to you always :)

I agree that it is more fascinating to read about experiments, it is as if you follow a story from the present picture to its very beginning.
Excellent work as always @abigail-dantes!! :)
May you have an amazing New Year! Lots of love!! 😍😘❤️

Yes! 😍 It is as if I am reading a story. You just want to know what is going to happen :)
Thank you for your support always, always @ruth-girl! Happy 2018 to you & your family. That the new year bring you love, success and good health!
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Psychology is science but it's unfortunate that I rarely see psychology posts given the credits they all deserve. Meanwhile deep thinking and you just reminded me of my love for B.F skinner's experiments once more. Awesome post. :)

Hello @sweetestglo-eu. You just made me realize something: I suppose that the reason why it is hard for some people to accept psychology as a science is the whole self-help literature that permeates the media and is categorized as psychology! Yeah! Skinner's studies and writings are incredible.
Thank you for taking the time to comment!

You made me like psychology and psychologists. That was why I followed @sweetestglo-eu when I read her profile and says she is a psychologist. And she has not fall short of such expectation.

Well turpsy, it is also because you have an open mind and are willing to explore new knowledge. Still, thank you for saying this! ❤️

Thank you so much dear turpsy, I will keep writing and I am glad you always check out my post, one coming soon. 😊

Don't mention, Looking forward to your posts always. :)

I definitely consider it a science, mainly due to the way research is conducted and knowledge is gained. Thought provoking post!

I definitely consider it a science, mainly due to the way research is conducted and knowledge is gained
Absolutely! I am going to be quoting you from now on whenever I find myself in the middle of this debate again! :DThank you @hummuswatermelon
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I reached here a bit late but was rewarded with not only a fantastic post but a long list of comments that have so many interesting viewpoints.

For someone like me for whom reading about psychology is more an education, this is a complete course on why psychology is a science with various facts that support.

Not many write posts the way you do @abigail-dantes! Excellent and educative - thanks!

You arenever late @maxabit!You are never late as you have always, always encouraged me and I appreciate it so very much! It makes me truly happy to hear you find my posts educative :) Thank you for saying this and for stopping by! Best ❤️

Totally agree that Psychology is a science.

Love the way you cite the case studies, especially the one done by Milgram. I like to think that it's an interesting reflection on morality and conscience too.

Following you and looking forward to many more great posts like this. Happy New Year to you and your family!

What a nice comment @maverickfoo! Thank you for the encouraging words and for taking the time to read and take part in this debate :)
May 2018 bring you and your family all the very best!

George Adams once said, Encouragement is like oxygen to the soul.

Plus, I'm a lover of psychology too, especially social and organisational psychology. More practical.

Skinner's experiments immediately came to mind as a good example of how psychology can be scientific, but the way you associated it with steemit rewards was a stroke of inspiration!

Daniel Kahneman is a more modern example I like to refer to in these types of discussion, his book Thinking Fast and Slow is pure gold; in his research he combined psychology and economics and other disciplines, and won the Nobel Prize for his (non-scientific?) work.

About the Milgram experiments, it's one of the few that I don't feel at all certain what I would do in their case, especially when I was younger.

Speaking of Milgram, although usually biographical movies about scientists aren't that good, I found Experimenter to be an exception, in case you haven't watched it.

Thank you 😊

I did enjoy Experimenter very much @alexander.alexis. And, yes, Thinking Fast and Slow is a classic among psychologists and economists, no doubt! So, sice we’re exchanging info here, have you read Nudge, not as deep as Daniel Kahnema’s master piece, but also very much worth a read. As for movies, what about the Sandford Experiment? I recommend it! It is a bleak movie, though. I am a fan of Zimbardo also.

I don't remember if I saw a movie called the Stanford Experiment, though it does ring a bell, but I surely watched documentaries about it and listened to lectures and read articles of Zimbardo's. I hadn't heard about Nudge though and haven't read it. I'll add it to my (very long) wishlist!

I remembered the first time I saw your question in the steemstem chat and psychology as part of stem was being asked. That was when I knew you are a psychologist, and I got more interested because you are fluent in a language i am still learning.
I have not had this kind of much exposure to psychology as much as I have seen on your different posts.
They have generally inspired and given me a more insight into what it contains.
Of course, now I can agree with you that psychology is science as well. Although, I specialize with physical science and I end up doing more experiments, calculations and inferences.

Psychologists also deal with correlation coefficients, dependent and independent variables, inductive coding, inferential statistics, measures of central tendency and so on ... This is of course, only a fraction of what psychology encompasses, and it is very, very beautiful.

Whao, this is something I could not have thought in my analyses of psychology. I am well enlightened about your concept and niche.

Feliz ano nuevo.

You don’t know how pleased I am to read this @turpsy! This is precisely one of the goals I want to achieve with my blog, in your own words ‘enlighten people about the field of psychology’.
Thank you for your constant support and always wonderful feedback!
Happy 2018 😊🌷

A nice look here at three basic scientific studies on psychological explanations for behavior. I like the analogy of Steemit and the Skinner experiment. The positive consequences of the act of posting on Steemit really do fuel more interaction with the platform as a whole. Which makes me curious: I wonder what we would find if we studied the behavior of Steemians in relation to the authority of the whales. If the whales suggested their followers do something, would they tend to obey the request? Now you've got me thinking about the psychology of Steemit. 😃

Let's design an experiment geke! :D

I'm totally up for that! just let me know... 😃
are you on Discord? my Discord handle is @geke if you are

I agree with you on psychology being a science. Having a science background myself I'd risk saying the study of human's behavior is something only a scientist could embark on. The results of such studies are never the same as it changes with individual involved. But an average of the result of the study could be taken to be the launch pad on which subsequent cases are viewed. Have you read What Do You Say After You Say Hello? by Eric Berne? I read this book when I was like 12. I still find the analysis in the book quite exciting. I would have to reread that book as I did not grasp much of its message then. But it made an impact then that I still remember it now.

the study of human’s behaviour is something only a scientist could embark on
Beautiful @greenrun, beautiful! 😊 I will have to look for that book, a recommendation coming from you can only be good! Happy 2018 my dear 🌷

Thank you very much. I wish you an awesome green 2018. Do check the book; I find it pretty interesting then. When next I go to the country home I would surely ransack my father's old shelf for it :)

It took us a long time to establish psychology as a science due to the acquisition of religious knowledge to explain the reasons for human behavior. However, at present we know that we are able to measure almost any psychological construct by means of a psychometric tool

Absolutely @maryness5! Thank you for commenting :)

Aside asking if psychology is a science, some come straight up and ask you to read their minds or tell them what they are thinking at the moment... Its just plain silly

My Gosh @nwamaka, you are so right! How could I have forgotten this one?? Thank you so much for leaving this comment. It truly made me giggle! :)
All the best to you!

U r welcome. All the best to you also

How funny @abigail-dantes! I stopped by to let you know I'm so grateful for you being a part of my Steem journey and I can't wait to see what happens in 2018! 😍 Also, I came to comment on your last post since I didn't have time to comment after I read it... then, I see that you have another post! 😲A long one too! lol. 🤣

Thank you my dear friend! You never fail to stop by 😍I will try to keep them coming once a week!
May 2018 bring you good health, peace and prosperity not only to you, but to all your loved ones!
Lots of love!

Well, it certainly helps that you happen to post about one of my favorite topics... people and the way people think. Fascinating stuff the study... or rather that science of the mind. I think anytime you collect data to determine cause and effect, it's science.

Even for a serious chef, there's a science to his craft... getting the right ingredients in the right order and amounts. And then, there's also an art to his craft... presenting the food in a way that looks pleasing. To which, for both, I lack the drive to cook in such a way that there is science or art. Just sustenance.

In a long round about way, what I mean to say is that for naysayers who don't believe that psychology is a science, the simple explanation could be that psychology to them is like cooking is for me. 😳

Historically 'science' has been seen as the study of the 'nature' of things. Psychology has everything to do with the nature of people, and so, providing we consider ourselves manifest, we are also things :)
Therefore yes, undoubtedly psychology is a science. There are several systems of study in the area or psychology, a great body of knowledge has been amassed, and this is 'the science' of psychology.

What has always been in question for psychology is 'which system' you study as to whether or not you are following scientific principles or not. e.g, a Freudian, might argue the science of Jung, and vice verca.

A good example of scientific distinction might be, the difference between an astrologer and an astrophysicist - both regard the heavenly bodies, but one based upon supposition and the other based on experiment and applied knowledge of physics.

The question would be more whether or not your study and experiment was measurable, repeatable and applicable.

Happy new year :)

Hello @shelbi, thank you so much for taking the time to comment! :D

Funny you should mention Freud and Jung, in my opinion their approach was not very scientific at all. In fact I believe that part of the disbelief in the scientific nature of psychology stems precisely from the theoretical and subjective methods of psychoanalyses, the one psychological therapeutic method (among many) that the general public still seem to see as a synonym for psychology; well other than self-helfp!

So, yes, when you address psychology as in 'systems' you could argue that classic psychoanalyses might be the least scientific one in its methods. However, one shouldn't forget the many case studies Freud himself conducted not only with his patients but with himself, which definitely brings the systematic aspect of science to his field.

Finally, an experiment which cannot have its variables measured it is a badly designed experiment, there is no point in designing an experiment that can not be measured as there would be no findings. On that same note, whether an experiment can be replicated or not is mainly to do with how well the methods have been reported by the researcher and not how scientific it is!

Happy New Year :)

Yes Freud was a great one for therapeutic practice, and very diligent. I would say that psychology is completely measurable - or at least the results of therapy are, which I guess is what your saying. Just because we cant physically cut it up and put it under a microscope, doesn't make a result any the less 'data', and if the data or result occurs each time, then you do have a measurable repeatable experiment. I suppose all the arguments come in when we try to interpret that data. Both freud, and Jung, could carry out the same experiment or therapy, exactly to the letter, but I'm sure each would interpret the data differently. Its no different in the hard sciences, such as Mathematics or Liquid dynamics - all will give you data to play with, what people make of that data is really what is in question, and even in these other sciences, there is always much dispute amongst the different institutes and organisations as to what the data represents. Psychology, is a branch of what we call the social sciences, we might argue its pro's, con's and method, but it is a science never the less - after all, science is the work and collection of data, its not the hypotheses that follows. Sorry that was a long reply Oo

You can also guide the attention of people to the work of Daniel Kahneman and his writings, especially the book Thinking Fast and Slow. He is so precise and eloqouent that it will make the most "psychology-hater", yet scientist person, accept psychology as something science-based. :)

I love him!!!! Good suggestion indeed :)
Thanks!

I agree 100% that psychology is a science. I think the confusion comes because in the past psychologists have often failed to follow the evidence-based rhetoric that's prevailed so strongly in more 'pure' sciences. This being said the field is improving immensely and as 'science' as a concept is being tought more and more to all science students (insteaf of just facts etc.) people are sticking to the rules of science a lot better.
Coming from a background of medicine, this is a problem we face a lot too. How do you split what we've always done because we assume it works, from what actually works!

How do you split what we've always done because we assume it works, from what actually works!
. But, evidence is more suited in the world of science than assumptions :)

Good observation about the approach psychologists took in the past. Although since the 30's that started to change! How long more do people need :D?

Very thorough and detailed explanation. I don't have as much experience as you with psychology I only took 101 and 102 although I believe we covered Skinner...I posit in my writings that Buddhist teachings practice are also science-y as it has developed over 2500 years and the practices are still experiments to this day to see of they do what is promised. Except for that reincarnation thing, of course. Will be reading your blog regularly. Glad to find it.

@soulsistashakti, You have just found you most recent, faithful follower :D I had a look at your blog and already know what I will be doing over the new year break: read your Making Mindfulness Meditation Work For You Part 7 - The Noble Eightfold Path – Right Effort

Will be reading your blog regularly. Glad to find it.
Likewise :)

I totally agree that psychology is a science as there is loads of observation it takes to make any sense of anything in any systematic form. As a UX Designer I have to use psychology all the time to create experience designs which work for people. If psychology wasn't a science, regular deployment of its rules would not be possible to create super successful products that work. I will be writing a post about how the whole stack of sciences actually works and builds up from first principles. It will somewhat compliment this article. Thank you for sharing this information.

Love your comment @jasongrant! I am going to follow you and look forward to the post you mentioned!
All the best :)

Thank you so much. I really appreciate you.

the last experiment was really amazing. I don't know if what i am gonna tell/propose has happened but my guess is yes, so what about instead of inflicted some pay to gave the ''chance'' of actually kill people with just a click of a button with the same principle like in the experiment. Ofc nobody gonna die but to see how far can people go

No @filostasriza3, your proposition has not happened! Quite the contrary :) Milgram got quite in trouble with the psychology ethics body. Nowadays his experiment can only be partially replicated, with the electric shocks going up to only 300 volts (even though its fake!).
Thank you for stopping by!
Happy 2018 for you and all your loved ones!

ahh now i wonder how it will ended up :P Happy 2018 to you and your family too!

That is just mean :D

I imagine some of the subjects got a tad PTS from that experiment!

That is what some of those who opposed to Milgram argued.

ty a lot, you worked that out very well.
For me, it was always clear that large parts of psychologic research are indeed a science, as they use the scientific method to gain knowledge.
The question for me is rather: is it a natural science or more a social science? And I think it depends a lot on which sub-field of psychology you are looking - especially those closely connected to neurology qualify as natural science.

Agreed, a lot of the research can be more natural science, historical science, observable science. The interpretations, the extensions, can be social, religious, as in external to the core of the nature of how science is to be tested, conducted.

it depends a lot on which sub-field of psychology you are looking - especially those closely connected to neurology qualify as natural science.
You have answered you own question @sco! Thank you so much for commenting!

haha, true! I have a habit of asking questions and then automatically starting to think on them more intensely...and sometimes an answer comes to me while asking the question.^^

I say that is a great habit! 😊

i don't have enough brain to think so deep. #lol
btw very nice post.

I am sure you do! :)

;)

So deep man. Now, my brain hurts, too.

Nooo, it doesn't!! :D

Ha. You know me. I do like debates. I find it funny when people say something is deep and that it hurts their brains. People have said that some things were deep when I said things at times in my life. Sometimes, I would feel like it wasn't really that deep. LOL. Just kidding about the LOL as well. I'm not the kind to LOL and tell about it.

If you want to "debunk misconceptions" about psych you should learn more psychology/marketing. Your headline is a classic technique used in marketing wherein the assumed answer to an article title is always the controversal option. Tbh the simple, possibly innocent title questioning whether psychology is a science or not is an attack on its credibility from a marketing/psychological standpoint when used as the headline of an article, especially on an aggregator like steemit.

Hi @coart-suckme :)
I do agree I have to learn more psychology, and if learning marketing will help me to raise some awareness about the topic here on Steemit, I am also willing to do so :) I am sorry if you disagree with the title of this post, but it was written to address a debate I have come across quite a few times on this very platform!

something is science once essays are published in an attempt to analyze and explain it

There is zero objective analysis in Psychology. Zero. Absolutely zero.
100% of Psychology is projecting, and if the patient agrees, then it's considered fact, and if they disagree, then it means the patient is soooo ill they just don't know they're ill, and call it a fact.
If there is science in it, where?

Oh gosh @kindersaft! I disagree with you :D
During assessment, psychologists do resort to objective measures in order to obtain a more palpable analysis and arrive to a diagnosis :)
Thank you so much for stopping by and commenting!

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well, for me psychology is a great science that can help all people to live better, happy new year :)

what a straight-forward, sweet comment @benainouna :D
Happy 2018 for you too !!
All the best.

thnkx :)

Really catchy topic , love to read ur post

Thank you :)

Thanks @abigail-dantes who has explained clearly about psychology. The 3 experiments presented above clearly outlined everything. I think the Steemit users are no longer mistaken :D

thank you :)

This is an open secret. Casino slot machines are based on this principle, and certainly, Satanic bosses know how to make the most of this human weakness. Even when we check over and over again if someone has reacted to the image we gave to Instagram, we are triggered by the tremendous gravity of an inconsistent positive reinforcement. Similarly, this is why parents trying to wean their child from undesirable behavior should not be broken. Every time they break, they actually provide their child with a positive reward for his undesirable behavior, and precisely because this reward is not expected, they further strengthen the behavior they hoped to get rid of. In other words, even if the guy in our case is not the Marquis de Sade, he must know in his heart that his inconsistent behavior towards the girl increases her dependence on him.

Skinner's advice is clear: avoid SMS at 2 AM! Not because of the pain that will befall you if you do not get an answer, but on the contrary: The worst thing that can happen to you is that you will receive a semi-encouraging SMS in response. Any piece of metaphorical food like this will only push you to press the pedal to death. Only if you stop looking for positive reinforcement will you help yourself out of a painful relationship.

Thank you very much for commenting @nirgf :) Very critical view indeed!

Wow! Great post.

Thank you.

I would say physcology is part of social sciences branch. Its not considered as purely science as physics, math and so on. Some schools even labelled the field of physology and other social sciences as arts.

Thank you for commenting @riadi

It is as much a science as economics, in my opinion. i.e - it isn't.

If it were, we would have long ago worked out the problem of the 4% in our society - of sociopaths and narccasists, and how to mitigate their massivenegative effects in the world.

I think we can study the brain, identify, and get a better grasp of how it works, for sure. (like economics)

But a science ? -no

(how to examine something, with the same tool you are examining it with...? I'm not sure why, but this question always pops up in my mind concerning this area..)

Hey @lucylin, you raise quite an interesting question! :D But, I would like to point out a couple of things : 1) While there are many problems which haven’t been worked out by psychology,
Iike the ones you point out, there are many others which have. For example, the allevation of anxiety disorder symptoms, the improvemnet in the lives of people afflicted by neurosis, major depression etc... Correct me if I am wrong, but your observation sounds to me as if you said ‘ medicine, biochemistry, pharmacy etc... are not sciences because there are so many deseases that have not been worked out’. 2) psychology is not the study of the brain (that would be neurology), it is rather the study of mental processes and behaviour.
Oh, can I ask you. How do you classify psychology then? Some of the answers I had are: it is a conspiracy, it is a religion. What do you think?
Thank you so much for commenting and sharing your perspective on this. All the best! :)

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Hi! I'm a psychology student and this is a question I've already asked myself, the information helped me to enlighten me. Thank you very much!

Olivia D.

Hi @mlleolivia, It is great to see you here! Thank you so much for stopping by :) I am very glad to hear this post has brought you some insight.
Happy new year!

Thank you so much and keep posting! I like your articles.
Happy new year to you too!

Olivia D.

As far as I can tell, this vulnerability originates from two mistaken assumptions: that "hard" science has realities while brain science just has hypothesis; and that brain science is presence of mind.

Hard science has realities and brain science has hypothesis.

Above all else, there are no "certainties" in science. The longer strategy is outlined such that one can never demonstrate anything, we can just negate something. That is the thing that enables us to continue looking, never ceasing at our comprehension of the way the world works. That is the reason it's the hypothesis of gravity and the hypothesis of advancement. An experimentally solid hypothesis is falsifiable. So no, it isn't the situation that "hard" science has "actualities" and brain science has hypotheses; we as a whole just have speculations. Inside and out, mental science holds fast to the logical technique as much as some other science. We submit to similar principles and procedures. We even evaluate mental wonders to the best of our capacity. We utilize calculations and measurements and even model human conduct scientifically simply like some other science. We test our hypotheses for dependability and legitimacy, and we test the parameters of our speculations. There are however 2 contrasts between our science and different sciences that have nothing to do with how we hone science, but instead what we think about: we are a much fresher science, and what we ponder is more mind boggling

Yep, I call all this process the cycle of enquiry! Thank you for sharing your views here with us. Very much appreciated!

Just randomly tumbled upon your post. It was nicely written, lots of pictures to explain your views. Upvoted! BTW this is my first comment, joined this community today! Oh, and Happy New Year 2018 to you!

What an honour! 😊
Welcome to Steemit then :) May 2018 bring you a lot of success here on this wonderful platform and also om your offline life.
All the best @sohamrajput!

Thanks! Wishing you a year filled with new hopes, joys and beginning. Keep posting and stay happy!!

What?! Is that still questionable in 2017...Ehm 2018?
I hope this article get a lot of re-steems, because I am getting really tired of such questions.
It's a good thing that your post is well structured and written in simple and yet scientific language. Cheers :)

Ahahahah, yep! Can you believe it? First of of all thank you so much for the reesteem! Also, your kind words are very encouraging :)
All the best.

Keep posting. I am here to stay :)

Of course psychology is a science. To say any different would be am outrage. It contains everystep of science. Its amazing how the mimd functions.

Thank You!

I also agree that Psychology is a science since it falls under the realm of social sciences. Since it is a branch of this discipline,it should undergo a lot of experimentations and test s for concepts to be proven. Since psychology is very subjective in nature we need to integrate science for it to be rational and logical.
My favorite psychological experiments though are the marshmallows test,stanford prison experiment and the bobo doll experiment. Your posts are definitely fascinating! Im having a lot of fun reading your blogs since i also love psychology and i major in psychology too.

Psychology is beautiful indeed.

There's a quote I heard a while ago from Rory Sutherland that I tell most people about social sciences. Rory said this after he failed to replicate the results of the famous "paradox of choice" jam experiment :

"The point of these experiments isn't so much to find out universal truths, but to find out things worth testing."

Social media works on the exact same premise of the Skinner experiment. Variable reward increases usage.

If I might add, the experimenter in Milgram's experiment did assure subjects that they will take responsbility for what happens in the experiment. Such agency of responsiblity was what amused Milgram the most.

This post was so refreshing. Joyed to see another person fascinated with psychology!

P.s. Your thoughts on Munger's cognitive biases would be the cherry on top :)

Psychology is a SCIENCE and it's important to emphasize this! Students in undergraduate STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) programs often tune out psychology as belonging in STEM, but I can assure you that is not the case. Psychology is the "S" in STEM, and it rightfully deserves to be acknowledged. The research that is collected, whether it comes from a naturalistic setting or a laboratory setting is then analyzed using software such as SPSS. This is how researchers can find correlations of statistical significance. I want students to stop feeling disparaged in the field, and rather embrace the broad field and the many attributions that arise from it.

The research that is collected, whether it comes from a naturalistic setting or a laboratory setting is then analyzed using software such as SPSS.

Thank you for adding this piece of information to this debate @nibbo. I am beginning to think that I could write a whole series addressing this question!

My dear friend there is little I can say about your wonderful post. I would like to think that my strength would overcome the voice that told me to continue to shock the people in the experiment, but one never knows do they?

Psychology is a science by definition.

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that’s the very educational post i am very apprixiat about this post its wonderfull really

Thank you :)

To all who claim that psychology isn't a tangible applicable science I suggest you read the power of habit. An amazing and fascinating book that shows psychology in action.

Hi Abi, I am new to steem and I also am a psychology enthusiast would you mind telling me your opinion on my very first article, I am still looking to refine my content. If you like it would you mind upvoting it as well?
https://steemit.com/life/@mahmoud-shafik/thought-log-1-when-emotional-resolution-isn-t-the-solution-a-call-for-reflection

Psych is part of religion.

thank you for commenting @mahmoud-shafik!

In fact, people call psychology as part of science. But I do not know how much there is a logic. But I have an interest in learning.

A very interesting question is raised in the article. Informative. Thank you.

Thank you :)

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Science is natural philosophy and religion is supernatural philosophy. Psychology is more focused on religion, as in the mind, the ideas, the thinking, of people through anthropology, sociology, choices, beliefs, opinions, lifestyles, habits, what we do, think, feel, believe, and everything. Psychology is labeled a science because some people don't want to associate it with religion.

This is the first time I have heard this perspective about psychology @joeyarnoldvn.

It is true that parts of psychology is science. If we lack supernatural souls, then everything in our brains, our minds, may be observable. If we are only animals and nothing more, then psychology can be completely psychology at every level.

You can also check this out. Science is going to another level. I hope we see more positive than its negative part
https://steemit.com/science/@lurvie-b/3-weird-science-discoveries-from-2017-vanessa

Psychology is magic. It brings us close to what we love, mystery. That's why I adore its beauty.

Keep Steeming Folks

thanks! :D

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Thank you universe.laws :)