I am Highly Disappointed with the Crypto Currency World and the Rise of the Banker Coin Ripple.

kingscrown (81) · 7 years ago

100% on point

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12 votes

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Thank you Brotha!

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ajvest (62) · 7 years ago

Was on Polo browsing the troll box last night and someone was FALSELY comparing STEEM's inflation rate of 11% to Ripple's 0% "fixed supply". Yet they conveniently left out that Ripple had increased their coin/token supply 3x's over the years... from what I recollect and I'm sure that equates WAY over a 11%/yr inflation.
I've stayed far away from Ripple due to it's centralized nature and MASSIVE dev account holdings!

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9 votes

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

They just dumped a bunch more on the market the other day. The supply did not increase but the available supply did. Someone was looking for a payout.

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content (40) · 7 years ago

The main issue is the huge influx of "dumb money" into the Crypto space right now.

The Polo Troll box shows this...

newsandviews (56) · 7 years ago

The money coming in now is anything but dumb. Have a look at my recent post to get a different perspective

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https://steemit.com/policits/@joelkatz/fractional-reserve-banking#@teamsteem/re-joelkatz-fractional-reserve-banking-20161002t195127128z

teamsteem (74) · 7 years ago

I don't trust Ripple either. If the bank that back Ripple fails then the system is worthless and these banks are worth less then worthless to start with.

The chief technologist of Ripple has a couple post on Steemit. On is last post I schooled him so hard on money creation he never came back. Okay that is most probably not the reason why he never came back but I love to think it is so...

Here's is propaganda article about money creation and my comments to rectify is misinformation. They both are priceless. I'm glad I was there to leave that comment on his propaganda piece.

His name is David Schwartz by the way.

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joelkatz (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

I still can't figure out what you were trying to say. Also, what do you mean by "the bank that back Ripple"?

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teamsteem (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

I'm glad to finally have some reply. That's so cool.

Aren't entities backing the value of the Ripple tokens mostly corporations in particular financial institution/banks? If you're not a trusted parties on the Ripple network, then won't other Ripple nodes or gates refuse to transact with you? I never fully understood Ripple so I could be totally wrong.

The quote below is an excerpt from the comment I made and linked and that you said you didn't understood. What is it in that that you don't understand exactly?

"In essence, the ex nihilo money creation practiced by the private banks is similar -- I do not hesitate to say this because it is important that people understand what is at stake here -- to the manufacture of currency by counterfeiters, who are justly punished by law. In practice both lead to the same result. The only difference is that those who benefit are not the same." Maurice Allais 1988 winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics

joelkatz (60) · 7 years ago

You're totally wrong on both counts.

Nobody backs the value of XRP. The value is whatever people agree to buy and sell it for.

Being trusted by other nodes is only necessary to participate in the negotiation of transaction ordering. It's like mining in bitcoin. So long as other people are doing it, you don't have to -- your transactions just work. Ripple servers accept transactions from anyone and include all valid transactions in the consensus process.

As for what I don't understand -- there is no ex nihilo money creation here. We created a token whose value is based on the value of a payment network. If the payment network is worthless, so is the token. As the payment network gains value, so does the token. This is the same thing bitcoin does and it's the same thing companies do when they issue stock. The only value the token represents is new value created by the system. XRP is not an IOU paid in dollars that magnifies the number of effective dollars in the system because its value is free floating and not pegged to anything or backed by anything.

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teamsteem (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thank you for answering David. Here's what I read yesterday. It's from ripple.com.

Issuing gateways do not need to accumulate or exchange XRP. They must only hold a small balance of XRP to send transactions through the network. The XRP equivalent of $10 USD should be enough for at least one year of transaction costs for a busy gateway.

Private exchanges and liquidity providers may choose to hold additional XRP for trading. Ripple (the company) does not promote XRP as a speculative investment.

"...we will engage in distribution strategies that we expect will result in a stable and strengthening XRP exchange rate against other currencies."

"...we expect our company to hold approximately 50 billion XRP by the end of 2021. This schedule is indicative and discretionary."

It's a strange read. Is Ripple Inc looking for a stable XRP price or strengthening one? I'm not sure of the meaning of the sentence there.

You're right about Ripple or the Ripple protocol not creating ex nihilo money but aren't the Ripple IOU (which I don't know how they're called) aren't those IOU back by anything and possibly fiat currency? More fundamental than this, who runs the ripple network? Will the ripple network still be running if Ripple Inc goes bankrupt? Can Ripple Inc create more ripple than exist today whether or not they've gone bankrupt?

I have read quite a lot on Ripple yet I was never able to answer to these simple questions. If Ripple Inc is necessary for the network to work or if Ripple Inc can alter the network without anyone being in the capacity to block their actions this is a problem.

Excerpt form one of my article.

Every sovereign individuals thus every Steemians have as their highest interest the dissemination of the most mutually beneficial knowledge. In contrast, all other institutions, companies, governments, armies, etc., have as their highest interest the empowerment of themselves at the expanse of everyone else. Generals, elected leaders and companies always have more empowering knowledge than their subordinates and competitors and their power depends on it.

Synergistic empowerment is a greater ideal than systems of parasitic empowerment or empowerment at the expense of others. Empowerment at the expense of others is what currently rules human society and something we fundamentally strive to do away with.

Thanks again for your interest and time.

Link to the Ripple.com excerpt can be found here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/6c6a58/the_definitive_list_of_reasons_not_to_invest_in/

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joelkatz (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

The ledger XRP trades on supports several different types of assets. XRP is the native token. It has no counterparty and no backer. The token was created out of nothing, but it when it was created, it had no value. Its value was created by years and years of hard work by over a hundred people.

You're right about Ripple or the Ripple protocol not creating ex nihilo money but aren't the Ripple IOU (which I don't know how they're called) aren't those IOU back by anything and possibly fiat currency?

The public ledger XRP trades on does support non-native assets that are effectively IOUs backed by fiat. It has a built-in exchange system to allow these assets to be traded for each other or for XRP and to allow cross-currency payments.

More fundamental than this, who runs the ripple network?

Who runs bitcoin? Whoever wants to run a server runs one. Whoever wants to run a validator runs one. Network governance is by the stakeholders, more or less like it is in bitcoin. Right now, Ripple is the largest stakeholder, but we are working as hard as we can to change that and we expect the recent growth to bring in new stakeholders.

Will the ripple network still be running if Ripple Inc goes bankrupt?

Good question. I don't know. We have no secret sauce. Others could keep running it if they wanted to. But nobody could force them to. I suspect exchanges are making enough money now that they might keep it going without us. It's hard to say. Over time, XRP will become less and less dependent on Ripple. But we're still in the building phase and it's still our baby, at least for a little bit longer.

Can Ripple Inc create more ripple than exist today whether or not they've gone bankrupt?

Not without doing something comparable to what you would have to do for bitcoin miners to raise the block reward. We would have to build broad community support and risk (and probably cause) a hard fork.

No system can prevent a supermajority of people from changing the system. They can, if all else fails, just build a new system and declare the old system dead. The minority can, of course, if they want continue using the old system.

There is, of course, no code in rippled currently to permit the creation of new XRP, just as there is no code in any bitcoin implementation I know of that lets you raise the block reward. If some small group of people introduced such code, everyone else would just ignore them.

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teamsteem (74) · 7 years ago

This is a very enlightening answer. Thank you.

The recent price rise still remains pretty incomprehensible in the light of the first 2 quotes I provided in my previous comment.

As I understand and because of your position in Ripple Inc it is understandable that here and now is not the place for you to very seriously discuss this matter.

Thank again for enlightening me on the rest David.

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joelkatz (60) · 7 years ago

I too find the recent price rise nearly incomprehensible. I don't believe everyone's just buying because everyone else is buying because if that were true, the first serious pullback should cause a crash. We've had 12 pullbacks inside this rally.

I do think XRP was severely undervalued for a very long time. The price and volume was low enough that it wasn't worth most people's trouble to even learn about it. Once the price and volume reaches a certain level, people think "what is this XRP thing?" and then they do become more educated.

I think another possibility is that, for almost any coin, we can imagine two possible outcomes: one in which nobody uses the coin because nobody else uses it and one in which everyone uses the coin because everyone else uses it. The rally makes that second outcome more likely for XRP. So, in a sense, the rally can be its own rational justification.

I think we had a perfect storm. Ripple had a lot of good news at the same time there was a huge surge in the entire sector. At the same time, bitcoin is being increasingly perceived as having governance issues and transactions are expensive and take a very long time. So once the value and liquidity was there, people could see XRP as working just like bitcoin, but faster, cheaper, and more reliable.

I don't pretend to know that's what happened though. As I said, I do find it nearly incomprehensible.

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crystalgeometry (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thank you for saying this. They created 100 billion coins from thin air and distribute them at their discretion. They currently own 62% of the coins and plan to hold 50% for awhile. It says it right in their website. This is the exact opposite of everything cryptocurrency is about. We need to continue informing people.

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18 votes

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Straight Gangsta!

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7 votes

crystalgeometry (56) · 7 years ago

So Gangsta that no one even complains.

dasczecher (46) · 7 years ago

That's shocking! So it isn't even mined? Frickin banksters!

crystalgeometry (56) · 7 years ago

That's correct. No mining, no staking, no set plan of distribution. Just boom 100 billion coins now exist and are being distributed to their friends however they like. Then they sell those coins to "normal" people.

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veganic (49) · 7 years ago

Nope you can't mine it but most new crypto users don't even know what mining is, or the importance of decentralisation. It's outrageous to even compare it to crypto-currencies. It's more like a fiat currency but without any checks or balances. If you thought the federal reserve was bad...

joelkatz (60) · 7 years ago

We created 100 billion worthless coins from thin air, just as anyone can. Then over a hundred people spent more than five years creating their value.

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lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

I will add, that I don't think that Ripple will survive in the long run. The market knows better and it will die at one point.

There are many shit coins atm at the coinmarketcap list... in my view the best coins are:

Bitcoin
Steem
Bts
Golos
and from next week EOS!

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6 votes

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

There are many amazing teams.

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bitacer (55) · 7 years ago

Thats what I thought would happen, but believe me, the masses act on impulses. The ripple will have much broader recognition than bitcoin. Because they will have the mass medias' backing.

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joelkatz (60) · 7 years ago

Or maybe it's because ripple has better tech and the value the system creates goes to someone other than electric companies and ASIC manufacturers. Oh, and also because three companies in China don't get paid millions to choose which transactions go in each block.

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bitacer (55) · 7 years ago

I always admired your talent and work, you should be defending liberty and peace, not helping banking tools. We all know now that the bankers are the problem not electricity or asics. Nothing personal...

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joelkatz (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

You are missing the point. That's what I am doing. I'm like the guy getting the government to build the Internet, offering the people with money and power a solution to a very real problem they have while building a completely open system underneath that is inherently liberating.

I'm getting the banks to build a system to move money around the world that they cannot control.

If you're ever in the San Francisco area, let's have lunch. This is not an easy question to answer in a public forum.

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bitacer (55) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the invitation, same here, if you are ever in Istanbul (Turkey) area, let me buy you a shish-kebab and baklava.

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joelkatz (60) · 7 years ago

Yum. That sounds awesome. Okay, I think I'll have to raise my offer. I used to smoke rib competitively. Come to Oakland and I'll make a giant pile of smoked ribs.

I've actually always wanted to go to Istanbul. I got close one time, I was on a train that would have continued to Istanbul but my stop was a bit earlier.

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bitacer (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

Is that why you chose the banks first? You are distriburing the stones to people and building the highway for the banks.

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joelkatz (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

There were a lot of reasons, but I think the core reason was this: If we want a world where people use crypto-currencies for everything, we need a way to get from here to there. The shortest path to that bridge seemed to be to convince banks to hook up to public ledger that could handle arbitrary assets, including bitcoin. There were many easier paths we could have chosen if we just wanted to launch an alt coin -- remember, we were pursuing FIs when they wanted nothing to do with this entire space. But we felt it was the fastest way to get huge growth. To use the same analogy again, the Internet grew to the point where it could host everyone's blog because it got the government and the big information providers onboard.

Bitcoin maximalists who care only about the price of bitcoin are lying about us. They have put their personal stake in the price of bitcoin above the principles bitcoin was founded on. The system Ripple is building will be good for bitcoin too. We're building a level playing field for using assets to bridge large financial transactions.

Let me ask you a question: Is your idea of liberty a system where everybody has to use the same system with the same rules and if you come up with something innovative (like SegWit) you have to fight for years to get everyone to agree on it?

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bitacer (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

How would you feel like if you learned one day, while you are away not occupying your house, that I sold your house's title to 10 more unsespecting customers who each believe that he/she owns the house. Thats what banks do. They create fake claims on real products and services and they sell it to masses as a recipe for prosperity. And the result is as we see now, the contrary. Bitcoin is not even close to being perfect, but again, I know that I can trust it.

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http://www.coindesk.com/ripple-pledges-lock-14-billion-xrp-cryptocurrency/8

gre3n (58) · 7 years ago (edited)

Wanted to point out some points about ripple that a lot of people probably don't understand. Ripple like every other business wants to make money, even the Steemit business and all of you reading this, we all would like to make more money. Most of us have values and don't take greed to the level of some business people out there, but again everyone would love an extra buck or two or hundreds. ripple was designed to make cross border payments easier and much less expensive and then easily convert it into fiat of there choice. In my opinion they want to be the money gram or western union of the future. Which are two huge corporations to go up against, they dominate along side some other smaller companies. There is a lot of misunderstanding when it comes to ripple. Again I'm not for it or against it, it is what it is. I wanted to point that out. There trying to replace a system that's already in place and make it cheaper and faster, some banks are signing up to experiment with ripple most likely because they probably feel left behind. I know I'll get trolled for this comment, so be it. I'm simply stating a point to clear up some air.

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

I have no problem with free market economics. I have a problem with them passing themselves off as something they are not a Crypto Currency.

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Check out the post by @Benjojo for further explanation as to why this could be a very dangerous game the crypto currency community is playing. https://steemit.com/ripple/@benjojo/ripple-xrp-central-banking-2-0-or-seriously-misunderstood

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skririm (52) · 7 years ago

Verry interesting post! Will watch the video soon! Thanks for sharing!

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sovereignwarrior (34) · 7 years ago

I wouldn't stress over it too much. Yes, it is the bankers coin and as such, it is ultimately doomed along with all their worthless fiat currencies. Anyone who has any of these should immediately either put them into another crypto-currency or better yet, buy physical silver! The more of us who use their worthless paper crap towards tangible silver, the quicker this long overdue inevitable financial collapse will occur. They in turn will either be locked up, hung or otherwise disposed off!

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rgbsolar (26) · 7 years ago

agree, silver.com has 1 click BTC to phyizz buying quick ship via usps.. my 3rd buy! MMMM stackit

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multitex (28) · 7 years ago

Great input! However, it must be understood that the majority of the people in the crypto community do not care about some of these factors being peddled around and against Ripples. Rightly speaking, the crypto community is being invaded by traders who are pouring in liquid fiat currencies into the cryptomarket and are making a killing by moving the market to their favor. It is a game folks.

The fundamentals of Ripples may not be as stable and decentralized as bitcoin, but guess what "follow the money!" Right now the money is in Ripples. Previously in the last few weeks, it was in bitcoin, Etherium, Litecoin and Dash. Ride it now while it lasts and don't fight the banksters while they make a killing of profits in the same community-except you are here as a preacher for crypto-morality!

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sift666 (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

On the one hand I think you are fully right about this.

On the other hand I am invested in six crypto currencies - Steem, Bitcoin, Ripple, Dash, Augur and Monero (in that order)

Two I fully believe in and want to stay with - Steem and Dash.
The others I just want to make $ from.
And Ripple - holy crap I've just made 950% in the past month (Dash is the lowest at only 9%)
So like a politician, at the moment I'm going where the money is and ignoring the ethics. This is not my usual behavior, but 950% is not to be sneezed at...

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sift666 (65) · 7 years ago

Since I wrote this yesterday it's gone up even more - we're now pulling in over 1000% gains on Ripple - investing in that one was like winning a lottery :)

runridefly (72) · 7 years ago

@dollarvigilante, shared this yesterday and I didn't know about ripple. @hilarski, thank you for the post. Steem on dude!

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Yup, we need to be very very careful if we want this movement to be successful.

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lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

I agree with you Randy, Ripple has been to me a non-sense fiat coin, since I saw it the first time, I remember is as in 2013-2014, but I am not sure... this setup is also surprising me that it gain traction.

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doitvoluntarily (77) · 7 years ago

didn't know this

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automaton (56) · 7 years ago

We will see how it plays out?? Some bank out there may end up giving out Bitcoin loans via the platform. Personally, I like the idea of P2p lines of credit/ and the "Rippling" function.

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coincentrado (57) · 7 years ago

We are being co-opted!

Exactly! The reason Ripple hasn't been trading much until recently is that everyone involved in crypto, everyone who saw Ripple come to be know exactly what it is.

But with the recent pumps, newcomers who are just looking into crypto for the money will jump into anything they think will make them rich.

Ripple will not make any of you rich, it will take everything from you.

Ripple shouldn't even be considered crypto, they were the first who attempted to sell themselves as a blockchain to profit from the crypto-mania.

Ripple is the coin for those with short vision, people who only care about becoming rich regardless of who they hurt in the process or if the whole world comes down as a result.

I am very happy to see that you are speaking against this, proud actually. It's nice to see people who will use their power for something other than getting more power.

harrisbarclay (42) · 7 years ago

great post! I've been thinking the exact same thing for a while now and haven't really seen many people talk about it.

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Th seduction of making money.

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callmefib3r (55) · 7 years ago

Yea this ripplescam is pretty much everything we as a cryptocommunity don't stand for. It's centralized, they just release more coins when they feel like it. It's only attracting people because there's money to be made with it.

shaheer001 (57) · 7 years ago

great info Crypto world is really no care.

digicrypt (60) · 7 years ago

I share your sentiment. A lot of the price rise is being fueled by speculators in Japan and South Korea, I don't necessarily think the Ripple euphoria will last. Guess we will have to wait and see.

team101 (61) · 7 years ago

Great post. Watching and learning. Thank you for keeping everyone informed!

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

No problem.

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da-dawn (50) · 7 years ago

Good share, thanks for getting the word out for those that don't know.

rangertx (65) · 7 years ago

I had no idea. I saw that Ripple had increased in value, but had no idea it was not a legitimate crypto.... last thing you want is the banking industry involved.

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

I think people go blind when they see the possibility of making a stack of money. Then the Banksters turn off the supply and everyone cries foul. "It was Bitcoins Fault!"

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dreamrafa (66) · 7 years ago

Many people just buy the coin because its getting up...

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

They sure do and it is illogical.

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starttheart (67) · 7 years ago

If Satoshi is looking to this he probably think"Poor people I gave you the money without banks and ....and now you choose the banks and centralization again"

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Seriously, this is insanity.

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sheeshkababage (50) · 7 years ago

Bravo Sir! I haven't watched the video yet but good points made and many folk want a quick buck...who doesn't? But we all need to be careful and look into the backgrounds of who is behind the coin as there are a lot of coins out there and come a lot of coins comes a lot of scams.

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Exactly, it would be like blindly voting. It amazes me how quickly people will jump on a bandwagon.

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sheeshkababage (50) · 7 years ago

The unfortunate thing is though, most people do blindly vote, be it crypto or politics, we as humans are sheep unfortunately. I remember at school, a teacher telling the class how to make a change in the world. He drew a circle and put a dot in the middle, then another dot, and another and so on, soon there was dozens of dots and it reminds me of how people can make a change, no matter how insignificant we may find ourselves. ( I know I went off on a tangent there! sorry!)

jlufer (75) · 7 years ago

Excellent report dear friend @hilarsk, I always liked this criptomoneda. Thank you very much for this information

aashishkandel (58) · 7 years ago

I am also on the same side,
banker backed currency like ripple are polluting the cryptocurrency world!

benjojo (70) · 7 years ago

Well done for raising this issue hilarski! I did a post along similar lines.

doppi666 (51) · 7 years ago

The EVIL coin

gutzofter (59) · 7 years ago

Permissioned Blockchains (Private) are the same as No Blockchain.

veerall (50) · 7 years ago

The problem is that we all these years have trusted govt. so much that now its almost impossible to reverse the cycle or change the mindset of masses, unless there is a mad max situation..lol. however the masses will still trust the govt. the only possible way or solution is time, and i doubt we that. the bankers and elites will play their card using the cryptos and i knew sooner or later its bound to happen. we have tried historically but have always failed as we have a psycological problem that we need to follow someone or a group of people. the billionaires know everything and they will find out the ways and means to stay on top, even if its the destruction of entire human race. this has happened historically. at the end we need something that can control us (money). its the most complicated/dangerous times the human race has ever faced. Crypto/AI/Nukes/etc. its all together.

alex13 (42) · 7 years ago

Thank for sharing! I am interested to find out your thoughts on whether we are in a cryptocurrencies bubble now? Here is the DATA which support this my assumption: it looks that we are entering bubble territory for a vast majority of alt coins (except Bitcoin probably). Just think about and analyze the following facts:

At least several dozens alt coins market caps skyrocketed 300%-4000%(yes, four thousand!) recently just over last 2 months!
The beginning of sharp increase happened around middle of March of 2017 for ALL alt coins!
Yes, some alt coins sharp increase is logically justifiable. For example, Ripple XRP: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/01/japanese-banks-plan-to-adopt-blockchain-for-payments.html . Maybe there are couple other alt coins where this huge growth is also justifiable.
But for vast majority of other alt coins nothing has changed drastically during the last 2 months! At all! Neither in their technologies development, nor in their business development! But nevertheless, their market cap skyrocketed 300%-4000% in just 2 months!
The only explanation which comes to mind is that huge amount of new capital is coming to cryptocurrencies market. Probably these are the people/investors who have heard about the first wave of Bitcoin and Ethereum successes, and they have a FOMO (fear of missing out) now. They don't have deep understanding of cryptocurrencies space and their differences, but because of FOMO they still invest in all other alt coins hoping to hit jackpot!
Does it remind you anything? Yes, exactly, dot com bubble of 2000 looks very similar!

Therefore, I would expect some kind of significant downside price correction within next several months for the majority of alt coins. Would you agree?

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

It is quite possible @Alex13 but a bubble usually takes mainstream adoption. We are still a tiny fraction of the worlds reserves. It does remind me of the DotCom bubble but very early on. I think we have a few years to go. We have seen anything yet.

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herfie (29) · 7 years ago

If we think the banking world Lets this new market untouched, think again. Bitcoin is in fact opposite to a bank so they Will put effort and money in this ripple thing to make it in the future the Crypto of preference. Its a sick clone of crypto they can manipulate as they wish. That you can tell by the. Exchange rates... stat awayfrom ripple, my advise

somesteamer (7) · 7 years ago

coincentrado (57) · 7 years ago

Exactly what's going to happen

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klipnov (37) · 7 years ago

I think people are investing because of the Ripples collaboration with banks and following the trend without any knowledge of what ripple actually is.

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

It is purely about making money. No one really cares about what Ripple does, they care that they can make a buck.

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newsandviews (56) · 7 years ago

Just because someone puts together a great technical platform based upon a cryptocurrency to sell to banks doesn't mean that they are somehow "evil" or a scam owned by the banks. If you want to really talk about evil industry then choose ones with a real track record of highly disgusting behavior and incredibly dangerous products.. Monsanto (a.k.a. Monsatan), Goldman Sachs (a.k.a. the Vampire Squid), McDonald's (a.k.a. McDeath), pharma and vaccine manufacturers, military industrial complex, etc.

Ripple is just providing a product like any other and a damn effective one at that. So what if they make money on something that works.. they should. And regarding whether people really care what Ripple does, the new investors absolutely do. They legitimately want a real business case.. and they have one. You're painting them as evil, but it's not based on objective facts. Check out my recent article as a rebuttal

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son-of-satire (69) · 7 years ago

I just wrote a comment a moment ago about how I am not happy to see Ripple and Stellar Lumens doing so well. Then I check my feed to see this post.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is disappointed about this. I have avoided the temptation to buy into ripple even when the prices have been soaring. I don't want to feel that I have been a part of its success, because then I will ultimately be a part of the failure of legitimate digital currencies that seek to free the common man from the shackles of fractual reserve banking.

Great post, and I have no choice but to resteem.

worldfamous (46) · 7 years ago

I've refused to buy into Ripple and have been watching from the sidelines. It is rather disappointing seeing the price go up on a centralized Blockchain currency. IMO, Ripple is just a means for bankers to steal bitcoin. Buyers beware, I don't think this will end well.

nitinchugh (54) · 7 years ago

nice post..thanks for the information

grildrig (65) · 7 years ago

I think in the crypto currency, a lot depends on developers and investors. Their design solves a lot. Crypto currency can be raised or raised and lowered. Everything depends on many factors. Everyone wants to earn money, but some people want to immediately, while others see earnings in development. A concrete example of STEEM and SBD.
Some play roulette - others own roulette and a casino.
Thank you for the information and for the post.

pmc777 (43) · 7 years ago

I understand the negative sentiment in regard to ripple and share similar concerns but I am not sure how anyone can define what a cryptocurrency should look like and how they should be governed. Although it may not be technically 'mining' I was rewarded with Ripple some years back for running a BOINC client analysing data for cancer research and other endeavor's. I recently turned up my house looking for my wallet PK and am relieved to have found it.
I think all innovation in blockchain technology is a positive for the entire ecosystem and will help opening more eyes to the opportunities that exist in this space.

longshot (49) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the insight. It's a jungle out there...

jsicho (25) · 7 years ago

Why the dissapointment? Crypto market is market. It was only matter of time for banksters to release that they need to keep up with technology. Also, its up to individuals to invest or not. I personally started my crypto journey because I could not stand the way the banks and other "middleman" institutions work , so I'm staying away from Ripple. I'm not speculant and really don't like the way this project is managed (centralized). But as I said, its free market, and as long there will be demand, they can do whatever they want. But without me. Only my 2c.

arnel (68) · 7 years ago

Yes I agree Ripple is opposite to what decentralization is all about... banks last stand to still be somehow in control of the currencies, fiat or crypto.

arcange (73) · 7 years ago

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dahaz159 (71) · 7 years ago

Ultimately, I think Ripple is not and should not be called a cryptocurrency. It is trying to fill a different niche. It is an interbank payment protocol that is compatible with cryptocurrency. It has a place, and the reason behind its growth is due to its network with banks, particularly in Japan. Fiat can more easily flow into Ripple than other cryptocurrencies, due to its bank integration. I only hold a small amount of ripple as I don't believe that it is a viable network to store wealth, due to its massive uncirculated supply, and arbitrary distribution mechanism. It is not intended to compete with decentralized cryptocurrencies, it is basically a fiat currency owned by Ripple that uses cryptographic payment methods, but not much else.

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homosapiens (57) · 7 years ago (edited)

Ripple is simply eliminating a huge cost factor for banks. No more costs when exchanging different currencies, no more Swift transaction fees. Thats it. They created enough XRP so that trillions worth of value can one day be moved around the world with XRP.

XRP is also useful for micropayments and very useful for the internet of things. When your fridge orders some milk it can be done with XRP.

Starting at the top, the ripple effect can be very pervasive.

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investmentfool (52) · 7 years ago

I like your post...and I definitely get where you are coming from...my contention is that truly crypto is ultimately doomed, i hate to say...Smart contracts and blockchain tech will fully integrate, but powerful entities like banks, govts, corps will not allow an open-source, public, p2p currency system last very long....In the end, it will become criminalized to use currency that is not traceable to the parties in the transaction....
Why and how?
Why...because tax fraud, money laundering, illicit transactions...not to mention that those entities will lose money hand over fist....
How, by saying that crypto is enabling blackmail, bad political activities, hackers...they will convince the mass population that it is dangerous...that it is a matter if national security....
Public blockchains will have to be for social media, public records, libraries...
It's going to happen....
With the political powers at large, such as Putin, there is no way they are going to let precious funds go undetected for long....
This is, I think, a reality...not in the forseeable future, but def by 2020....
My prediction....who knows.....
I'm just a simple-minded fool hahah
Following and voted!!
Look forward to more of your great writings!!!

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artemisia (42) · 7 years ago

Couldn´t agree more!

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chrishronic (48) · 7 years ago

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siddartha (63) · 7 years ago

So do you also think that Ripple prices will fall down drastically in future...
By the way, a bank in India is working on using ripple network for it's ledger needs. Do you think they are making a big mistake?

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

I don't care what banks do with their system, that is their option. What I care about is the crypto currency movement being co-opted by them.

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philbillpill (25) · 7 years ago

my friends are investing in ripple...... i think they're screwed

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gkucmierz (48) · 7 years ago (edited)

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

That is a great question. I bet they got paid to.

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tommycordero (63) · 7 years ago

I believe so too, Ripple shouldn't be thought of as crypto.

andu (58) · 7 years ago

what do you think about this?
https://ripple.com/insights/ripple-to-place-55-billion-xrp-in-escrow-to-ensure-certainty-into-total-xrp-supply/

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Do you really trust them?

andu (58) · 7 years ago (edited)

Oh, hell no, I was just posting it to get your opinion. I swore to not buy XRP no matter what.

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eirik (69) · 7 years ago

So isnt Stellar Lumens almost the same thing?

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cardsanarchy (54) · 7 years ago

It is the E-coin of Mr. Robot.

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the-ego-is-you (59) · 7 years ago (edited)

In my opinion, this is the next logical step in Cooperative-Agorism, or a "synergist" movement. Ripple is not merely unavoidable, but a good thing to crypto. It will bring some professionals and incredibly smart people, that are currently trapped in the honeypot which is the state controlled market, to the crypto scene.

Competition from established banks and even states must be expected. But thankfully, long term these institutions will have to bend to market demand.

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

That is a positive way to spin it. I would rather they disappeared.

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the-ego-is-you (59) · 7 years ago

They will. Don't worry. =)

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cryptonewstv (31) · 7 years ago

If you can't beat them, join them

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herfie (29) · 7 years ago

It is thru doin so you cant beat them

hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Believe me, they can be beat.

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jacobts (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

I don't know. "Never begrudge another's sucess." It is a waste of energy. Look at your rewards. Look at mine. Hating on the banks is the same as if I went around, giving into jealousy, and ranting about the riches of those earning more than me for posting something different than my personal interests. Imagine if you did not post about steemit or cryptocurrency, and you joined a proclaimed social media site. Then you see the only way to make anything is post about that. It's like if the only way to be seen on facebook, is to say Facebook Facebook. In fact, that is what my friends who are not on steemit say, when I tell them they can make rewards by just using it as a social media platform. Well i don't fight them. And I am thankful for the rewards I get. But I can see their concerns. Now, with Ripple, I see very successful people here and elsewhere in crypto upset with XRP. I see posts with hundreds of dollars, by people who have tens of thousands of steem, perhaps hundreds of bitcoin, complaining the same way that my friends complain about steemit. The blockchain is giving rewards to coders and traders and creatives, wonderful. But the blockchain is not a charity, except maybe Grantcoin I guess. Blockchain is providing value and they compare themselves to Banks in order to be an alternative to Banks. They are. We are doing it. Now Ripple team has seen an opportunity to focus on all the things that make value out of their blockchain project, using the lessons they have learned in Banking. Banks store and move value. Blockchains store and move value. Social media's share human experience. Steemit shares human experience. Steemit Bloggers and Crypto Officionados capitalize on the the rewards aspect of Steemit instead of using it for the other human interests that other people are focussed on. Ripple capitalizes on the rewards of the Blockchain instead of using it for other applications that other blockchains are focussing on. I'm not judging. I'm shedding light on this. I could make a Chicago Improv sharpened satirical quip, but i don't want to rub anyone the wrong way. Instead I'm risking appearing human and naive as I attempt to tell you in a long long round about way, you gonna be fine bro. I might just be a little fella here on steemit, but we are all priceless if we are in motion. And you are in motion, and you are being rewarded each day, and I am not jealous of you, your success only raises the tent pole higher. Ripple's success may only raise the tent pole higher for the rest of us. All the best Hilarski. Don't let the bankers get to you. I'm learning so much from your posts, that I look forward to the positives. I hope this Ripple thing won't distract you or anyone else form the positives. And if anything, using your sharp style, I'd love to see more posts from you about your daily interests. Seems you live in a beautiful part of the world. Lovely to remember the positives to build on. (shared with @Steemtrail)

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ethereumexchange (42) · 7 years ago

How do you feel about LTC and the recent drop, do you see any similarities between LTC and rip?

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

Tweeted
https://twitter.com/RandyHilarski/status/864511302617767937

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cryptonewstv (31) · 7 years ago

Why link a video to someone that clearly says his knowledge of ripple is limited.

Check out their twitter ripple plans to make changes and become decentralized

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

You must have only watched a few minutes. I think Tone was being quite modest. Him and Peter are very knowledgeable on the subject of Ripple.

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cryptonewstv (31) · 7 years ago

This is true

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wuwei-ninja (42) · 7 years ago

Big up-vote brother! Won't touch Ripple with a 100 ft barge pole - it just smells bad.

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felixxx (68) · 7 years ago

Where's your positivity ?
Bankers and lobbyists work hard !
You so petty :D

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septimusmaximus (52) · 7 years ago

I didn't know this about ripple - will look into it further. Thanks for sharing.

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crypt0swede (52) · 7 years ago

totally agree

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bart2305 (60) · 7 years ago

I totally agree with your statement. I owned Ripple without really knowing what it was. I dumped it when I found out it was exactly the opposite of what a crypto currency is supposed to be (in my opinion). I hated it when the price rose. I did not really expect it to be and I could have made a lot of money.
But I am happy I did not support it.

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uwelang (74) · 7 years ago

I can not judge this based on my crypto knowledge - however I see some people I trust pushing that one - time will tell, even I understand your view re bankers in general.

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knowledgesausage (37) · 7 years ago (edited)

This thing will definitely survive in the long run. Your premise is wrong and you would already be feeling bad of your decision today. - https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@knowledgesausage/can-xrp-ripple-be-your-ticket-to-milliondom

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crypto-investor (61) · 7 years ago

Randy, you should ask whether it is the community supporting Ripple OR other investors supporting Ripple. Traditional old money that thinks virtual currency is silly, but blockchain is great, is now investing in crypto. These hedge funds and large investors can drop millions into the space. They can carry the price of Ripple higher when crypto people are scratching their heads, "why ripple?"

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

You may be right but we need proof that it is hedge funds. If you look at the crypto trading groups all you see is talk of Ripple. The new flavor of the month.

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joshsigurdson (76) · 7 years ago

I feel like part of the rise of ripple is based on people just pumping and dumping. Trying to make a few bucks and pulling out. I still have some faith in the community. People need to understand how important decentralizing is and not fall for these master manipulators.

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joelkatz (60) · 7 years ago

The evidence that that's not true is the price mechanics of the recent rally. It had several pullbacks at key selling points like 10 cents, 25 cents, and 30 cents. None of them triggered massive sell offs. You would have to imagine billions of dollars in people pumping for the long haul which isn't a pump and dump by any reasonable definition.

pmc777 (43) · 7 years ago (edited)

I see a lot of pump but not so much dump.

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nightfall (30) · 7 years ago

I completely agree, heres what i said before for this "not really" coin.
https://steemit.com/ripple/@nightfall/ripple-traitor-of-cryptocurrency-spirit

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blackvapor (55) · 7 years ago

What is your take on STELLAR?

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

I have not done my research on it. There are so many options to choose from.

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the-ego-is-you (59) · 7 years ago

Jed works with Stellar as well. I consider it to be in the same basket of crypto projects established with backing of the established banking institutions.

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makecents (45) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the info, as a crypto newbie I had no idea about the foundation of Ripple. I want to stay as far away from these crooks as possible!

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richguy (57) · 7 years ago

For the first time, I looked at Ripple differently. Was that guy the owner of one exchange that went under? Just asking.

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hilarski (76) · 7 years ago

The founder of Ripple is also the founder of Mt. Gox. He sold Mt. Gox before the hack.

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richguy (57) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the information.

ender (52) · 7 years ago

I think this is sign of new money entering crypto. (Like you in 2014). Where will it go when it blows up?

I took a stab
https://steemit.com/ripple/@ender/what-will-these-ripple-holders-buy-when-it-blows-up

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bitacer (55) · 7 years ago

I was aware of this fact from day one, and made a good chunk of money but left it too early thinking that people would wake up to what ripple is about. It proved me wrong . They are strong , they have the sufficient backing - specially the mass media. Jeff Kushner's chief editor is now on Ripple's board of directors!

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bitacer (55) · 7 years ago

Imo Ripple is the first step towards getting rid of cash worldwide. It will take time but that will happen. They hired the brightest minds who are actually clueless about where this will take the world to. Money talks and they have plenty.

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cardsanarchy (54) · 7 years ago

What do you think about this?
https://www.dashforcenews.com/dash-funds-creation-two-separate-ripple-gateways/

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