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inertia (73) · 7 years ago (edited)

One haejin gets 6% of the reward pool (or something). If there were two haejins, they’d only get 3% of the reward pool, each. If there were four, they’d each get 1.5%.

So clearly, the solution is more of these. Before that happens, this guy gets to brag how much he’s making, which just increases exposure of steemit.com.

It’d be nice if we had an inviting attitude, but instead, we act like assholes to people who are unfamiliar with the nuances of the blockchain.

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

That's such a bunch of bullshit and you know it. This is a single user being rewarded by anoter single user, this is not good for Steemit. None of his followers are buying steem, powering up or contributing in ANY meaningful way other than circlejerking him. We have plenty of users who earn great rewards here, but they're not rewarded by a SINGLE user and actually deserve them (the majority of the time).

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futuremind (70) · 7 years ago

I just followed you berniesanders. Thank you for addressing this issue so much. I don't fully understand the intricacies of the blockchain, and the measures people take on here to exploit the system, but I want to do my part to make this a an honest community with original material. I will study up on this and continue posting my original content. As far as I can conceptualize, the more honest people there are around here, the "problems" like this will work out with work from development, and serious users of the platform. Have a good day.

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

That I can agree with, just doing what I think is right for Steem. Regardless of how many shills comment and flag, I get enough support on here and in private to continue doing what I'm doing.

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itasteemit (58) · 7 years ago

I think steemit has become a window for the world of digital currency. flags are terrible for the user and may close the progress for one's future in this pursue. this is really not relevant for this platform.

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uv10 (51) · 7 years ago

Possibly right. there will need to be an alternative for content moderating I think.

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tarquinmaine (55) · 7 years ago

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amb (50) · 7 years ago

Exactly.....steem and steemit has way more potential for massive growth than these flags

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

I’m not against what you’re doing. I’m just suggesting that it’s not something to get worked up over. I flagged him. It had no effect. Moving on.

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ropaar (35) · 7 years ago

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

Yeah, the thing is, I care about the platform more than I care about some kind of made up social justice you're trying to invoke.

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https://steemit.com/steem/@pawsdog/the-curious-case-of-the-errant-comma-haejin-berniesanders

otpyrc (14) · 7 years ago

Have you investigated this? Your followers keep quoting your original 6.x% figure which has never seemed to add up

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https://steemit.com/steem/@inertia/re-tarquinmaine-re-inertia-re-tarquinmaine-re-inertia-re-berniesanders-join-me-in-flagging-haejin-46k-in-abuse-rewards-20171220t003236718z

inertia (73) · 7 years ago (edited)

Have a look at this instead:

Still averaging:

If you post 20 times a day and get 138 SBD each post, that's $27000 USD each day. Who cares if that's 6% or 0.6%? What blogger earns at a rate of $9 million USD each year?

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lextenebris (62) · 7 years ago

Let's approach the question from another angle so that perhaps you can understand my perspective.

Let's leave aside the issue of what percentage of the reward pool someone gets. That gets into Tragedy of the Commons territory and I don't want to go there. Since you didn't bring it up yourself, we'll leave it aside.

Here's the deal – what difference to you is it if he manages to make $9 million USD a year? Leaving aside the rewards pool, like we said, why is it your business to decide how much someone else can take voluntarily from people who willingly offer material support?

I want you to think carefully about your answer and realize that you will be going into a dangerous space in so doing.

I have long said that "you should never build a weapon that you aren't willing to have used against yourself." That applies equally to weaponized arguments.

"I don't think he deserves that much," opens you to the counterargument that someone else might decide that you don't deserve any of what you're getting – and by your reasoning, they would be justified in making sure you didn't get it.

You have to avoid that argument. If that is your argument, if that is the feeling that you have in your heart of hearts, you are going to get screwed, blued, and tattooed in the long run. You have given "your enemies" (for lack of a better collective term) a stick to beat you with.

Now, you might have a reasonable argument if it was, "I don't believe he deserves the portion of the reward pool that he is entitled to by the number of upvotes that he's received." That's still a very dangerous weaponized argument to make, but it's one you could, in theory, justify with some effort. Again, it's a weapon that can be turned around and used against you and people with whom you agree with trivial effort. Effectively it boils down to, "I don't believe that the positive support of the people who like that content are as important as myself and the people who agree with me."

You can obviously see where that could be a problem in the long term, right?

Now, you might take the position that, by your measure, "he simply doesn't provide enough good to the community to have access to that much influence" – but this might be the most dangerous weaponized argument for yourself and those you support that could be put forward. It's terrible. It allows anyone with a subjective opinion about "what you accomplish" and more power than you to come along and shut you up, as long as the whim takes them for.

I'm having difficulty justifying your position in a rational manner, and I'd really like you to help me out.

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago (edited)

It’s just price discovery. Show me any blogger in history of planet earth who earns $9 million USD yearly and we can have a rational discussion about it.

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ropaar (35) · 7 years ago

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truthbeyondlies (63) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders Just wondering why is it that you keep pointing out that @haejin is being rewarded by a single user? If that user believes in what is being posted, I do not see where the problem is. Personally I feel that is each users right to vote on what type of content that they would like to see more of and use their steem power how they see fit. If you had a millionaire promoting your content would you be complaining? Are @haejin's rewards destroying the economy on steemit? We (T.B.L) are new here so if there is something that we are missing then by all means, please explain but I would think that if you reap in a lot of $$$ on the steemit platform then more power to you. Thank you for taking the time to read this reply by the way. ^ ^

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

The reward pool is split by all steemians according to upvotes they receive. If a single user pulls in a disproportionate amount of the rewards pool, they do so at the others' expense. They are taking a bigger piece of the pie. So to answer you question, yes, it affects the economy here. That is why everybody has some say in how big that pie is. That is why flagging a post because you don't feel the rewards earned are justified is not only allowed, but encouraged. It is the decentralized method for protecting the reward pool from abuse or misuse.

The single user mentioned, @ranchorelaxo, is a bit of an enigma. His upvotes are worth over $300 each. He upvoted 37 times, 36 of which were for haejin or himself. Here are some facts I found on him:

-rancho showed up here about 10 months ago and laid mostly dormant.
-7 months ago started buying massive amounts of steem
-@ned reached out to him around this time asking him to "ping" him on steemit.chat
-2 months later, @theprophet0 reached out again asking him to ping him on Steemit.chat
-15 days ago, he started upvoting @haejin's posts eventually to the tune of 10,775.09
-he also upvoted himself 3 times for like $1000.
-he also upvoted one other person for $10.
-Note the numbers above changed during my analysis (going lower) I'm not sure if that was due to downvotes or changes in the price of steem. I was using steemit more info chrome plugin for the data.
-@haejin reached out to rancho when the upvotes started with the following: "I am very grateful for your upVote! Thank You! If you'd like a crypto analyzed, please don't hesitate to let me know!"
-@Ranchorelaxo has no other interactions that I saw other than a single comment ("great post") on a post that he didn't upvote.

To many steemians, this seems very suspect. Haejin for his part claims to be rich, so if that is true, it's possible he made another account to upvote his own posts in order to gain more visibility and a bigger piece of the reward pool. This is far from proven. Nonetheless, if action hadn't been taken, haejin was on track to profit $2 million dollars in the next 52 weeks from the reward pool. Granted, that is based on numbers from a single weeks sample at the current SBD and Steem prices (which he predicts to rise substantially).

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truthbeyondlies (63) · 7 years ago

Thank you for explaining that in full detail. This may be like our 9th day actually being active on this account but it all makes a lot of sense when you put it that way and yes something about that does seem very suspect especially if that means that I am working hard and someone is sticking their hand inside of my cookie jar. I have to be quite honest I kind of got a little upset there and explained it to my partner on here because I myself am an Ethereum miner and if someone found a way to con 6% of the block reward I would honestly be pissed. I'm still new here so given all the details I agree that it sounds EXTREMELY suspicious but also I do believe he earns some (not all) of it so how to tell which is which because this seems to be a bit of a pickle. Wow you explained that well.. I upvoted for what it's worth and to be honest I can see why you are upset about it because I think I may be a little uneasy about it as well now. If I understand this correctly... "He is getting a HUGE chunk of all of OUR money that we earn in the rewards but he is not earning it rather he may be con'ing most of it away in a loophole that he found?"

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

Well, he may not be earning. I am trying to come at this as objective as I can be, but as a steemian, I do have skin in the game (we all do). @themarkymark pointed out that while I thought I had 15 days worth of upvoting data for rancho, it was actually more like 3.5. So in 3.5 days, he spent 11k of the reward pool for the most part on one individual. If that trend had continued, he would have taken over 1,147,142 from the reward pool over the course of a year. That is not considering compounding and growing of his SP and what he would have done with those funds. That also is not taking into account the market value of those proceeds which I would estimate to be over 5 million. That is also in addition to what he is already taking in which is a sizable chunk and probably over a million market value in and of itself.

The thing that frustrates me the most is that he (haejin) doesn't seem to debate this thing head on. If it were me, I would be on every one of these threads. If I wasn't associated with rancho, I would offer to give back all of the money from rancho's upvotes. I would decline payment. He himself says he doesn't need the money and only wants the exposure. He could decline payout and still trend.

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coinsutra (54) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the detailed explanation brother @moeknows

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tarquinmaine (55) · 7 years ago

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

I am not concerned with a bernie vs haejin contest. I am concerned that so many people refuse to even acknowledge the rancho situation and why it is a cause for concern. If you have a problem with the rewards Bernie receives for his posts, you can downvote him, and I will support your right to do so. Many people have already done that here on Steemit resulting in his current rep. Many of the same people take issue with a whale potentially rewarding haejin with $3000 dollars daily from the reward pool. Now, that doesn't seem to be happening anymore, and I'm glad about that. How do you feel about it.

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tarquinmaine (55) · 7 years ago

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

52 weeks? My estimate he would been 150-200k/week if it was a full 7 days of upvotes and not just 2 days which the 56k figure was based on.

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

I based my figure off of steemworld.org.
You had visibility into this situation before I did and as I mentioned in my post, the numbers were going down as I was analyzing ranchos activities. The number on steemworld was based on his coming author rewards and the estimated cash value it puts out. Currently, those numbers would have haejin making $4975 in SP/SBD rewards which is estimated to be worth $26,865. That multiplied by 52 would be about 1.4 million.

These numbers would reflect the ongoing efforts to change his rewards. So it would have been higher, but I had no first hand data to do that analysis. I'm still kinda a steemit noob.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

At the time, Rancho only had two days of votes and that was a 7 day estimate. So a full 7 days of votes would be much higher

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

There were 15 days that I saw.

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

ok, I see what you're saying. I had 15 days of voting data, but he really only had 3.5-4 days of upvoting all of @haejins posts. So yeah, the 11K number would have been much much higher potentially.

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tonyr (60) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the summary of the goings on and your efforts in collating the information you have provided @moeknows.

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

You're welcome. I also have the following which is more subjective in nature:
Other findings
-@haejin's content seems legit, but some posts are low in content containing only a couple of charts and a sentence.
-he was very successful and had many followers long before rancho came around
-many of his supporters seem to have came here for him or because of him
-many of his supporters have no idea who rancho is (or that he was giving haejin 11k in upvote) and think this campaign is about his success due to their upvotes.
-@haejin doesn't seem to ever mention @ranchorelaxo by name to his followers, and I haven't heard him directly address the accusation that he was colluding. (He does mention that he is accused of having multiple bots and denies it)
-I don't think haejin has directly addressed bernie or any of the groups here on steemit in a dialog (I could be wrong), but he does mention the attack during the last 4 or 5 minutes of his youtube videos starting on 20 Dec.

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tarquinmaine (55) · 7 years ago

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

Did I say he has bots? I think you may have misread my post. I said that haejin himself mentions allegations, but I have not. The conduct of Bernie is not really relevant to this conversation, but I am aware of his bots, as is the general steemit community. How do you think he got a negative rep? That being said, the haejin/rancho situation deserves attention. What is your take on it?

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prakashghai (63) · 7 years ago

Better Distribution of the Reward Pool must certainly be looked into.

The Sooner the better. !!!

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ropaar (35) · 7 years ago

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tarquinmaine (55) · 7 years ago

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

Have you seen anyone reward themselves $100? Sure. But have you seen them reward themselves $100 for 20 posts daily?

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tarquinmaine (55) · 7 years ago

I watched husband posts daily from when they were $3-$5. I can promise you it was only in the last 36 hours before BS's attack that he earnt mor Ethan $50 a post. Before that I was always amazed at how many people looked at his posts and how few voted. Jerry Banfield openly moved from one post a day to 3/5 a day and he asked the community for their opinion. I said I'd prefer one! He earns very well and also attracted hate attacks. To me this is fuelled by jealousy not reason.

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https://steemit.com/steemit/@rockwellontherun/why-we-should-thank-ned-dan-haejin-and-berniesanders

rockwellontherun (41) · 7 years ago (edited)

Why We Should Thank Ned, Dan, Haejin & BernieSanders

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rollsman (51) · 7 years ago

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croat (48) · 7 years ago

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

Didn’t you get a 4,000% payday? Nice!

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loneshot (24) · 7 years ago

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croat (48) · 7 years ago

@BernieSanders raped his cucumber too hard and now it's stuck up his anus and she is getting major butthurt!

Thankfully, @haejin told us to buy Verge Currency, which made us all rich!

Now butthurt @BernieSanders is miserable because she missed on the chalice of wealth!😂

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fatherhoodrich (29) · 7 years ago

Speaking as a totally FNG here (day 3), for the most part I'm still geeting an overall inviting feeling around here. Although the more posts I read, the more I realize that the devil really is in the details of steemit. As a social network, I Love the system of checks and balances present as well as the overall quality of users, content and comments (for the most part). My question is this, is it worth it to invest my time in the finer details of steemit in an effort to increase my reputation or will that only take away from my enjoyment of the site altogether? As it stands, I "Like" it here... A lot. My knowledge of blockchain is rediculously limited, but it hasn't dampened my enjoyment of the network as a whole and I'd like to keep it that way. I enjoy a way higher percentage of the content presented to me on here than on ANY other SN out there and I'd very much like to add to that pool of quality content. Any recommendation in regards to groups or threads to join/follow that would excellerate my steemit learing curve that focus on profile growth while maitaning the network's intgrity? This place is awesome and I want it to be a "thing" without devolving into a version FB with participation tokens. Thanks.

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lextenebris (62) · 7 years ago

Take it from me: learn as little as possible. Don't get stuck face down in the drama. Step away from everything but the broadest understanding of how the system works.

Once you look under the hood, once you start seeing how the sausage is made, you will experience a long dark night of the soul – and not one that you will come out a better person than you came in.

Think of this as an overgrown Internet forum with no mods and utterly without individual sub-forums which would help you focus your attention on things that you want. With all that implies.

There are people here who just want to make content, find people who like it, and have them signal their approval – and those of the people that you want to look for.

For the rest? Avert your eyes.

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merovigian (25) · 7 years ago

the thing is.. if a good idea for stability and protection for the weak arise will you support it or let it drown?

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

that's not how it works m8, unless you think this problem applies to only one account

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

I asserted a whole bunch of things. Maybe you could be more specific about what it is and how it doesn't work... m8.

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tarquinmaine (55) · 7 years ago

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

You’re absolutely right. That was just one day extrapolated out. His true earnings have only ever gone up since then.

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croat (48) · 7 years ago

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californiacrypto (61) · 7 years ago

You know its funny your crying about it being unfair this guys getting to much for his posts. When I post a lil comment trying to promote my blog and you flag it because you disagree about what im bloging about or whatever the reason is. When im just a new user to steemit trying to build a following just like you guys.

You steemit users who already got a lil following and power on steemit don’t support none of the new steemians. #support the new steemians
Upvote if you agree.

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geekorner (58) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders, a serious question here.

You are fighting for the reward pool. If so, why not decline rewards on the posts you make against Haejin?

I mean, right now the posts on both side of the trench garner a lot of votes each, and the drama as a whole is sucking up rewards, on both sides of the fight.

(Personally, I think you've got a point, and haejin shouldn't be receiving the rewards he is, certainly when his content quality dipped to 1-2 charts and 2-3 sentences per that read like horoscope. He should condense them into 1-2 posts a day, or attach a video and 3-4 paragraphs explaining things per chart. But I do think you're going about it the wrong way, or at least with the wrong attitude.)

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tomekkk (61) · 7 years ago

I'm not entirely sure, but I think he does it to stay visible due to his -18 rep, otherwise it would be invisible and it wouldn't get much notice.

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pathtosuccess (51) · 7 years ago

while no one ever accused bernie of being a diplomat, I don't really have a problem with him earning rewards on these posts.

He's using his voting power in order to downvote someone who is getting large payouts from one whale on multiple posts per day, while the payouts bernie is receiving are on periodic posts from multiple members of the community.

If the need to balance the rewards being received by one wasn't there, bernie could be focusing on making money like others do.

That's my opinion. Bernie obviously will speak for himself if he feels so inclined.

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fitzgibbon (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

There's a whole bunch of heajin shills that recently came to Steemit. I tried to reason with some and swiftly encountered over 60 downvotes, all from fresh haejin shills with 0 Steem Power.

Still, that got me thinking: do we really want just user growth, or do we prefer to have Steemians here that are vested and contribute meaningfully?

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phuzz (35) · 7 years ago

Hello, I am a follower of @haejin, I made more than 50k the past two months out of a 3k investment, just by following his tutorials and posts. He has more than 15 years of experience and provides knowledge that people pay for in college. That would naturally attract much more users and up-votes don't you think? why cannot @berniesanders just provide better content? He seems like the one who drew a circle and assigned himself leader of it because he could not prove himself otherwise. Even if @haejin inhales most of the reward pool, the way @berniesanders deals with this is simply wrong.

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

Even if @haejin inhales most of the reward pool, the way @berniesanders deals with this is simply wrong.

No, Bernie can do whatever he wants with his stake.

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phuzz (35) · 7 years ago

Opinion Appreciated.

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uknowjpbitcoin (0) · 7 years ago (edited)

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hitmeasap (71) · 7 years ago

I appreciate your rather smooth approach here. I really do. But if you've made 50K in 2 months... And others have earned anything between 10K and 500K which I've seen people talking about.. All thanks to haejin.. - Why are 90% of his followers still minnows without investments on Steemit and why does he not invest millions of dollars himself, to become a powerful whale... Instead of asking others for their 100 SP?

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phuzz (35) · 7 years ago

Some people just like to take and not give back, the reason why I bought some steem and powered up is to support @haejin and others on this platform, I came here in august but did not power up until October, it took me a while to understand the platform and how it works, and until now I still lack in many ways. Many @haejin followers think that you look at a graph for a second, buy the asset, expect magic to happen, without applying the attached tutorials in his posts, these are the investment-less minnows, some give up before making any, and some will eventually invest, like myself, two months later :) . As for @haejin steem power, I wonder the same, I would turn my self into a whale if I had the chance, and I do not know why he isn't powered up with full RPM as I would definitely do that. I hope this post answered your question, Peace be with you.

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emilclaudell (53) · 7 years ago

That's a good answer man :) I recieved an extremely uncomfortable comment simply because i commented on one of Bernie Sanders posts, but yours seem to be well argued.
I have nothing against Haejin, but i simply think that other people spend so much work, that goes unnoticed, so i think that the money could be better distributed, if we want to see the continued growth of steemit :)

Peace out man, hope you're doing well

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phuzz (35) · 7 years ago

thank you :) Peace

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hitmeasap (71) · 7 years ago

And that's an answer I'd be willing to reward. Thank you.

I can totally understand that many people cannot afford to invest. That is why I still haven't been able to reach a dolphin or whale status. If I could afford it, I would invest. It's that easy.

However, like you said. Followers of his are claiming to earn thousands of dollars per month. 10K. 50K etc. Yet, most of them have not bought any Steem power at all.

I think that is very odd.

And that he himself haven't bought a couple of millions worth of Steem Power is strange. With that power he would not have to ask others for their SP and he would be able to fight berniesanders with his own SP for starters.

On top of that, he would also be able to spread his wealth and support others, by upvoting their content and comments and he would also be able to reward himself even more.

But he doesn't seem to care about those things. I might be wrong here, but it seems to me that he is selfish. At least when it comes to Steemit.

And for being such a rich guy who doesn't care about the money, he shows the exact opposite when he is picking a fight with berniesanders.

The whole haejin-scenario is weird and strange. Everything about him and this scenario just feels odd.

Thank you for a superb comment though. I appreciate it! (That shows that there are haejin followers out there with a brain after all).

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otpyrc (14) · 7 years ago

I'll be honest . I have mixed faith in Steemit after seeing Bernie's manipulation of the Steemit. It is pretty clear in the terms of sevice that bots are not allowed.

Since the uncertainty surrounding the platform and Haejin's use, I've been exclusively tipping him directly to incentivize his posts. That's how I encourage it, and I will continue as long as he makes calls.

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grey580 (61) · 7 years ago

Read the entire sentence. In context there. Robots are not allowed if you are using them to extract data from the website.

That doesn't say you can't make an upvote robot.

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hitmeasap (71) · 7 years ago

Everyone is using bots. Most whales and/or dolphins have multiple accounts. 85% of the users pay for votes... Dolphins, whales and minnows.

I can't see why that makes bernie a bad person.

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otpyrc (14) · 7 years ago

He's complaining somebody is gaming the system while gaming the system. It doesn't really matter to me (nor should it to you) that other people have bots, as that's not justification for what is going on. Haejin has fans. Call them whatever but I am one of those people and have seen 0 evidence that Haejin is using bots to game the system to the degree Bernie does, and it's clear to others that his success came from the use of bots and clearly not to the contribution of the community via posts of substance (probably why he hates on @haejin so much)

phuzz (35) · 7 years ago

Thank you :)

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randystiefer (59) · 7 years ago (edited)

@phuzz , You still don't understand Steemit. @haejin was pulling down 6.7% of the reward pool when @berniesanders started the call for flagging his rewards. It has nothing to do with if @haejin makes great content or @berniesanders makes shit content.

It has everything to do with balance in the system. One user simply can't be allowed to take that much of the reward pool. Period. We now have half a million registered users and around 40,000 active ones. at that 6.7% level it would have only taken 15 @haejin's to drain the reward pool dry. As long as he keeps getting those kind of upvotes he's going to keep getting those kind of flags. It can be no other way.

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phuzz (35) · 7 years ago

Thank you for clarifying, but I would only ask, can we blame Genesis mining or a few other mining empires for making Bitcoin mining so hard? They mine such a huge percentage of the block that mining Bitcoin, or almost anything now for that matter became almost useless. This seems like the nature of the blockchain, which ironically is easier to manipulate and control than a centralized System. Steemit seems like it is built this way, I would assume that applying reward rules would be the only way to control this, because if either @haejin or berniesanders are gone, someone else is going to fill that gap in the very near future, there will be thousands of haejin and berniesanders to come that this whole platform will be abused and destroyed. So unless @haejin and @berniesanders could come to terms in a way, or @ned would somewhat wake up from slumber, I see this is an endless fight, and would involve much more whales and content providers to come. Will be the curse of Steemit.

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sames (65) · 7 years ago

To correct you it bitmain that controls bitcoin mining not Genesis mining.
The curse of decentralization is it prone to centralization but the fight to stop it stands and will continue

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phuzz (35) · 7 years ago

well probably, but that was just an example to explain the current situation, keep fighting, it is an endless void.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

Great then send some of it to him. We don't care.

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phuzz (35) · 7 years ago (edited)

I wish you Massive profits

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danyelk (69) · 7 years ago

How can someone have 15 years experience in crypto analysis if Bitcoin which is the first cryptocurrency is 9 years old? Or what experience are you talking about?

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phuzz (35) · 7 years ago

The Stock Market, the same rules apply, but the Crypto world is on steroids.

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millhouze (46) · 7 years ago

the guy is a fucking scam, get 100000% gains and abc boom! hes a fucking cunt and stealing the rewards

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tarquinmaine (55) · 7 years ago

TA learnt in the mainstream financial markets. He's a wizard.

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captaincanary (58) · 7 years ago

I agree that it's very unfair that they are targetting @haejin. They say it's because a whale is persistently upvoting him but that's not his fault, and also that whale is entitled to use his votes to reward @haejin's content if he values it

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phuzz (35) · 7 years ago

Maybe the whale is making money from following @haejin posts, I would assume it would be rude not to up-vote :)

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robertmannino (51) · 7 years ago

Thank you for sharing.
Please upvote and follow. Together the community and earning is HUGE !!

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phuzz (35) · 7 years ago

Done :)

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scan0017 (65) · 7 years ago

Thank you @berniesanders for all you've done to help Steemit, including the encouragement feeding happy little minnows like I was one year ago.
Your support from attention and upvotes encourage the little guys and gals to keep contributing to the platform, attend Steemfest (I attended both), and promote Steemit to the world!
Your attention and support helped grow this little minnow into a Dolphin; one who has always powered up, never cashed out, and always remembers those (especially you!) who made such a wonderful impact so early in my Steemit adventure.
Thank you @berniesanders, Merry Christmas to you too brother 😊🤝

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

"How is @haejin and his sheep so ignorant?"

that should be simple m8, they came here for easy money and nothing else

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13 votes

mdarifishtiaque (55) · 7 years ago

thanks man your daily suggestion is very helpful for us

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trumpman (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

if @haejin is so rich why doesn't he just buy steem power to protect himself from your flags and make money too? hmmmm....

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15 votes

hitmeasap (71) · 7 years ago

I can only see two answers for this.

He is not rich.
He doesn't believe in Steemit.

No matter the answer, his approach on Steemit (after the flagging) is terrible and many of his loyal followers are nothing but ignorant and stupid. They flag everyone who doesn't agree with haejin and that is personal.

Flagging due to disagreement of rewards is not personal but haejin and his followers are making everything personal. - And I don't want any of that here.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

if he isn't rich his guides are useless, thus he should be flagged anyway ;)

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kult300 (53) · 7 years ago

In my opinion it doesnt make any sense to fight over that. There are better things to get a mind on. I dont know much about haejin and also about berniesanders. Normaly everybody has good intentions. So I would like to ask you @berniesanders if you could think about how you can make steemit a better place without fighting each other over the internet? And also what would be your request to @heajin to do for steemit?
Merry christmas, a good time and much love!

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pathtosuccess (51) · 7 years ago

lots of people have tried to tell them that downvotes are to be expected when huge upvotes are given.

They seem to choose to ignore that and think they have a righteous argument cause you said mean things. YOU BULLY LOL

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14 votes

daveks (77) · 7 years ago

Merry Christmas!

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randystiefer (59) · 7 years ago

Hi @daveks! Have an upvote just for the jingle bells of it!

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davidconstantine (54) · 7 years ago

I think Steem should display high voted post but also always random, to give equal opportunity to those with less SP or whale-friends

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cryptolawyerita (52) · 7 years ago

mmmm strange person

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piach (56) · 7 years ago

It's hilarious that some fat whales rules Steemit and normal users dont have enought power to make their post visible.

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

well that's capitalism for you

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lola-carola (61) · 7 years ago

A lot of problems in steemit but the future is brilliant

Merry christmas :D

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gdaveed (43) · 7 years ago

There is so much hate on Steem right now from every direction... Kind of sad... I don't know all of the technical stuff that goes into what everyone is talking about but I hope people stop this on both sides and come to an agreement of some sort.

Speaking of down voting.

All of my content got down voted because I said I am part jewish on a post... I am also part Italian, Greek, Yakut and pretty much the rest is all middle east. Why is there so much hate on here?

People speak so much evil and hate, I really don't understand why? Blame all of their problems on Jews, again? I don't understand how everyone is so progressive yet but still thinking like its 1933 Germany?

That person want as far as down voting my followers? That is just no right nor needed. I said no evil towards that person. In fact I was wishing people Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah.

Anyway, I really hope steem doesn't turn into a pissing contest where the biggest babies in the world are always butt hurt and downvoting because they hate their lives and want to take it out on others.

You never know what the other person has been through don't be so quick to judge.

Merry Christmas and I hope all of you are going to have a great New Year and maybe in this New Year we can make Steem a friendly community!

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kult300 (53) · 7 years ago

@gdaveed Thanks for your words. Iam really sorry to hear that. I hope this platform dont cares who you are or where you from and the download just came because you wrote a bad article in the downvoters mind. Peace!

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dumar022 (70) · 7 years ago

Merry Christmas @berniesanders, thanks for protecting the reward pool

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emilclaudell (53) · 7 years ago

I get the frustration Bernie, i do :) And i hope you have a wonderful Christmas as well. We need people like you (the good whales), to go around finding the actual good content. This post for example, it got over 400 bucks. I know a ton of people, myself included, that puts in hours of work into every single post, yet we are lucky to come above a dollar (luckily, this has happened to me more than once, and for that i am very grateful).
My latest post is actually about this very topic, i hope it's okay i mentioned you in it. Because the point you make is very true. Too much hard work goes unseen, while a few people can spend minutes on a post and make hundreds of dollars.

Anyway, check it out if you want to, i only wrote it because i want steemit to become an even greater place.
I hope you all had/ have an amazing Christmas :)

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blacksheepblog (51) · 7 years ago

white sheep suck ;-)

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amb (50) · 7 years ago

You are correct....but instead of trying to fight these guys....why not reward those you think have little or nothing to earn on steemit.... @surpassinggoogle is a good example.....he has impacted soo many lives positively...flagging cant really do much...especially to someone like @haejin

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randystiefer (59) · 7 years ago

Flagging has reduced his portion of the reward pool from 6.7% to 1%

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uknowjpbitcoin (0) · 7 years ago

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hitmeasap (71) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders is one of the rather few whales who actually cares about minnows. He is also one of the few whales who fight against things like this, because he believes others deserves some of the rewards this guy is getting.

So meanwhile surpassinggoogle is an awesome guy, berniesanders is doing things differently and he spend his power and his money by doing several things for what he believes is the greater good.

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shello (62) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hey guys, here to voice my opinion,

I actually like Haejin's posts, because newer people getting into crypto like myself, can see what picks he's making and try to see if it's a good buy after applying our own research. What I don't like is the frequency of posts don't deserve triple digit rewards on the daily, and that he can't understand that there is nothing wrong with flagging others and now wants people to give him power to fight you lmao

I feel that although he's giving Steemit exposure, but due to how much percentage of the rewards he receives, people will flock here only to feel cheated. If you don't like his rewards, that's fine- It's built into the system for a reason!

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pawansharma (53) · 7 years ago

Good informational post.

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barteksiama (52) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders I am on your side! I just made a comment on @aggroed post in which I said what I feel about @haejin and his conduct on Steemit! Go about +12 upvotes and then this tt-dogg guy just downvoted me to the ground because I just said a truth that many of the fellow Steemians agree with!

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phgnomo (64) · 7 years ago

well, if you are ok on mass flag haejin you shouldnt complain that one guy flagged your post.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Merry Christmas @berniesanders! Please make Steemit great again. TY

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verbaldancing (41) · 7 years ago

I am a new user on this platform, still working on my introduction. I am enthusiastic about it but I feel slightly turned off by some of these fights. @berniesanders, it seems like some people and posts are getting censored if they are critical of you (@taskmaster4450, @scarlet7) are you not an advocate of free speech?

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alcester (25) · 7 years ago

I don't get it. This voting war. If one wants to downvote a blog due to whatever reason, in this case because of disagreement of rewards, just downvote and be done with it. Why start a war between two sides?

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randystiefer (59) · 7 years ago

Because humans are emotional beings that tend to get butthurt. Especially over perceived injustices and demanded entitlements.

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chartered (33) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the information merry christmas

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kweendivine (30) · 7 years ago

Seasons Greetings!

To infinity and beyond!

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jaraumoses (68) · 7 years ago

Fight until sanity is brought to Steemit,we minnows have no chance if a single user can upvote worth 200$ of rewards.....!!!

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freebornsociety (61) · 7 years ago

@statsmonkey

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jjeeppeerrxx143 (46) · 7 years ago

Is it possibly for someone to upvote with that huge amount worth?

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missk (57) · 7 years ago

Their drama is making me crazy.

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jjeeppeerrxx143 (46) · 7 years ago

Me too but I learned from this post a lot because of the reactions of other.

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skull1 (31) · 7 years ago

Good information , nice post

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ssophiee (37) · 7 years ago

I'm new here. can someone help me and say how can I get followers? Thank you so much, I really need your help guys ;(

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tuhin201 (45) · 7 years ago

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jamesgetsit (64) · 7 years ago

I am extremely new to steemit. Seems like a lot of flame wars going on. Could anyone give me a brief synopsis of what this is all about? O.o

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hitmeasap (71) · 7 years ago

haejin's post are rewarded with anything between $200 and $400. And he publish 10 posts per day. - That's a total of $2000-$4000 per day.

He earns this much money because one user is upvoting him. (About 90% of everything he earns are because of this user).

berniesanders are trying to flag (downvote) these posts, because he want to reduce the amount of money he earns per day.

And by doing that, haejin is taking this personally and he is trying to fight back.

That's all there is to know about this.

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jamesgetsit (64) · 7 years ago

Hoe can one user cause so much $$ to flow with just one vote??

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hitmeasap (71) · 7 years ago

He has 1,304,376.716 in STEEM.

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jamesgetsit (64) · 7 years ago

Holy shit. Wellllll that'll do it I guess.

Crazy how that works. So a couple people that are massive whales can bascially just make each other rich? Seems a little unbalanced.

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hitmeasap (71) · 7 years ago

Yeah well, many of the whales can probably earn ~$5000 per day if they wanted too. As Steem is worth $3+ and SBD around $9.. You can do the math.

They can basically earn about $35,000 per day or something like that. USD. However, most whales are not doing that. Most of them are trying to spread the wealth and encourage and support others instead. As they see this as a long-term investment.

If and when Steem and SBD goes up in price, they'll profit and most of them are working towards that instead of short term goals.

If they have 1 million Steem when Steem is worth $1. They'll have 2 million if and when Steem is worth $2. So there's no need to bother with hundreds of dollars for them.

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jamesgetsit (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Ahhhh makes sense. Appreciate the info man! You have yourself a new follower :D

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millhouze (46) · 7 years ago

that is unless you get cunts like haejin and his buddy upvoting their own shitty content

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edwuadr (33) · 7 years ago

woo wooo excelente

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asociall (43) · 7 years ago

Nice post

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jeetendra (42) · 7 years ago

'Flagging' and 'downvotes' are still new to me, and I expect none. I read few a times of @haejin's point through some other posting on behalf of him. Because you two have been contributing greatly to Steemit and the growth of newcomers, I wish you two should have worked out together. Individual conflicts arising that's coming out of both of you has raised a 'feeling of fear' in contributing to any post, or blogs even.

I'm sure, there's solution to any problems. Two great people, who have worked hard equally and trying to pull each other- just because of misunderstanding or perhaps, poorly communicating effects us- the newcomers.

I am sure @haejin and you will both sort this out soon, for the better of Steemit.

Merry Christmas to both of you, and to all of us. Cheers

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dippy1 (37) · 7 years ago

nice post

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https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@intheworldd/tactics-to-making-easy-money-my-first-post-but-i-think-will-be-very-useful-for-you

intheworldd (25) · 7 years ago

Heyy How you Think This post :D I took your example;

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cryptogodd (38) · 7 years ago

So much arguing. Can’t we all just get along?!?
Steem power!!!

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bitgeek (62) · 7 years ago

Congratulations @berniesanders, this post is the most rewarded post (based on pending payouts) in the last 12 hours written by a Superuser account holder (accounts that hold between 1 and 10 Mega Vests). The total number of posts by Superuser account holders during this period was 1326 and the total pending payments to posts in this category was $9893.49. To see the full list of highest paid posts across all accounts categories, click here.

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statsmonkey (49) · 7 years ago

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statsmonkey (49) · 7 years ago

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statsmonkey (49) · 7 years ago

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xyzposter (48) · 7 years ago

How on earth do you manage to have a reputation of -18 and be able to make such bank? XD. I'm new to this and have no clue who haejin is, so i got that going for me i guess? anyway, good job on trying to make Steem a better place !

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crypto3lite (44) · 7 years ago

Yeah, your right, I wanted to start to downvote his content, but my voting power and weight are so low.

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t-cryptwalker (25) · 7 years ago

Oh man, this is so fucking petty.

Write something worth reading that gets upvoted rather than trying to get other things downvoted.

I don't upvote haejin but you are acting like a child.

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syedwaqas (41) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders
Happy Merry Christmas Enjoy your holidays

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vexedkiller007 (46) · 7 years ago

I think "Drama" or disagreements are a sign of a healthy platform. ONLY if both parties have an equal distribution of power. There is no equal distribution of power so having more people to help is the only way of dealing with someone with such a high amount of power. Even if there is some morals issues associated with having minnows downvote there is no better (cheaper) option to deal with people with a high power. Until there is a system where people have an equal say (probably never) expect to see people grouping to take whales out who are deemed as "bad".

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mejustandrew (58) · 7 years ago

Merry Christmas to you too! If you ever see this comment you can take a shot to my post and hope I will not be flagged to death :)) Anywho, enjoy you holiday, you deserve it!

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chelseanews (40) · 7 years ago

Good job here can u support me by upvote my last post thank you

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nadejde (51) · 7 years ago

You are a moron @berniesanders

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pathtosuccess (51) · 7 years ago

as reported by a genius? or just an opinion?

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marty-arts (65) · 7 years ago

I feel so sad about this whole situation... people want justice and deserved rewards not excessive... that is why I dont like to see one person getting $200+ on every post.. in addition if it is from one user, or 2-3 same users every time. this way the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor.
in other side, we should be grateful for people who invest milions into steemit. they help us all, but maybe some of them dont fully realise responsibility for balance on this platform with that amount of SP.

its their money.. they can do what they want with it. but there are some rules on steemit.. and with regard to their objectives they should do not only what is good for them in a short term, but what is good for them and for this platform in a longer term.

I think the best thing they can do is to search for good authors and set their autovoters to reward them in smaller percentages - spread the money - if they dont want to search for good posts every day.. there are users who offer quality content every time.. and we all know how hard it is when you dont have rich friends here ;) when you try hard and get only small reward.. then you visit trending section, see 3 posts by one author which are neither long nor brilliant.. I would like to know how many good authors gave it up for this reason.. steemit can lose a lot thanks to this matter...

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millhouze (46) · 7 years ago

exaclty, If I had a vote I would vote this asshat off the platform. Maybe something the witnesses can implement. like a mass vote or something.

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upme (49) · 7 years ago

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utomobong (52) · 7 years ago

Merry Christmas dearies
Let's just leave them n celebrate this season
Upvote my posts and follow me too
My blog is interesting

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travelnepal (65) · 7 years ago

Some very good original content writer are still struggling for good Earn.
And some people just earn huge. Thats unfair. (Y)

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zayarch (47) · 7 years ago

Yes agree with it bro
If it's goes in that way
original content will not for deserve .

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amb (50) · 7 years ago

Its not really unfair if they work for it or deserve it.....although its unfair but hey!...wake up!!!....life aint fucking fair man

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emrebeyler (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

Flagging criterias also indicate spam. Which looks like a better match for their posts.

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mejustandrew (58) · 7 years ago

How do you have the courage to say that? My hands are shaking on the keyboard only for commenting on this post by fear of not being flagged by that people...

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

He said "their" posts. And if he thinks this one is spam, he can flag it. I haven't flagged everyone who has flagged me, just those who act like morons and post absurd bullshit repeatedly like many have.

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otpyrc (14) · 7 years ago

Rare Source

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mejustandrew (58) · 7 years ago

I thought he mean the posts of haejin's people...

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phgnomo (64) · 7 years ago

Sarcasm lost in translation

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otpyrc (14) · 7 years ago

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markangeltrueman (67) · 7 years ago

I know what you mean... I commented on a post by @themarkymark and got a bit of abuse and a number of downvotes on my posts from this "group" of hey-gins. Makes me feel worried that getting involved is not the thing that i want to do, even though i have an opinion on the situation.

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mejustandrew (58) · 7 years ago

Yep, I feel you completely, I have written a post about this war which I think it's pretty high quality since I have worked a lot on it but right now I am a bit afraid of being caught in the middle. I have just tried to find a good solution to make everybody happy but now I don't know if this is possible...

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freedomno1 (55) · 7 years ago

Summation one dude is taking a cut of my profits lets ax him lol.

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bitfiend (59) · 7 years ago (edited)

You are right as flagging over a disagreement on rewards is fair play. He could have voted on others instead of just haejin the whole time. I would hope that would be his plan. Otherwise, having them here doesn't help the economy/community it only helps one person. Also depends on how long they plan or planned on doing this. While I didn't like your hostility, your cause was just and I didn't disagree with the cause.

As a newbie who really hasn't been around much to see how you work your magic around here, as much as I would like to see less hostility, I would also like to see your account get out of -18.

With the payouts you generate, it is evident that it is an undeserving and even an unjustified rank.

Thanks for the Christmas wishes and I wish you the same.

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gersson (49) · 7 years ago

Interesting article, likewise I invite you to read this post for social work in Venezuela! Merry Christmas!! @berniesanders
https://steemit.com/photography/@gersson/feliz-navidad-or-merry-christmas

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aqsaali (51) · 7 years ago

Merry Christmas.

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adigunabiola (49) · 7 years ago

May the birth of our Saviour Jesus Christ bring
you and your family endless prosperity, blessing and peace of mind that you truly deserve. Merry
Christmas!

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appreciator (66) · 7 years ago

This post has received gratitude of 25.21 % from @appreciator thanks to: @ngc.

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nachon (49) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the important info!!

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shagor0168 (53) · 7 years ago

#Congratulations,,
I am a big #fan of you
keep it up ,ok?

#Thank you @berniesanders

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Congratulations @berniesanders!
Your post was mentioned in the hit parade in the following categories:

Comments - Ranked 2 with 183 comments
Pending payout - Ranked 7 with $ 435,79

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backpackingmonk (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

You get flagged when you copy/paste somebodyelse's content or abuse someone in steemit.
So you need worry if your Honest about everything

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buildawhale (74) · 7 years ago

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thabiggdogg (56) · 7 years ago

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daegeonlee (29) · 7 years ago

Steem needs an algorithm to determine if the account is abusive.

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daegeonlee (29) · 7 years ago

why is your reputation score so bad? did haejin and his sub accounts attack you?

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thatgermandude (59) · 7 years ago

While I initially was on board I think you should provide some more evidence.

Most of his support seems to come out of Japan and they are heavil involved in Crypto Trading, if all his preduction are as accurate as some of his followers claim it is, his posts might be worth that much.

I don't have the time to research the accuracy of his market predictions, but do you know of people who did?

Anyways. Merry Christmas, I hope you got a jolly time with Steem being a winner in the past month... ehm I mean with friends and family, love and all that stuff ;D

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lordneroo (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

@berniesanders Thank you for addressing this frequently over the past few days. You raised awareness on a crucial issue. Too many folks are newbies in here (including myself) so your attempt to keep the community informed regarding this is important and appreciated.

I absolutely agree that we have to protect our favourite platform and make sure it's being used properly.

Highest Regards
@lordneroo

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timothybrake (24) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hi, @berniesanders. I do not know you but your names keeps pop-ing up at posts from @haejin that you seem to be downvoting his posts. I actually enjoy reading and watching his videos about Elloitt Waves education. I specifically joined Steemit to upvote his posts as they have helped me so much.

Can you explain to me why you are so negative about his posts that help soo many people?

Have a spectacular day.

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miqdad (36) · 7 years ago

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