"and your deliberately reductive, absolutist argumentation style is intellectually dishonest. (See my other comment on zero-sum, which you falsely asserted all commerce is against demonstrable, clear fact)."
You overcomplicate basic concepts. The value of an object is what it takes to create it, not the amount society wishes to pay for it. In an economy without waste it would directly hit this value. The problem is that in markets either too much or too little is created, because people are always in search of profit. You speak of this problem from a capitalist standpoint and refuse to see it from any other.
Humans produce only have the ability to produce so many resources. A single person only produces so much value. If this value, measured in the amount of labor it takes to produce (this is the only real measurement of value), is not matched the worker is gaining more than he produces or less. Profit can only come out of labor. This means with profit it is impossible for the worker to get everything he produces. In other words there is only so much labor, and it is split between the ruling class and the workers who produce it. This fits neatly into the definition of zero sum.
Opportunities do not affect the value of labor, only the price. From a value standpoint this makes the relationship authoritarian and oppressive.
I never argued about price, just value. You are the one being deliberately reductive. We are debating economics so we must find the value that connects all systems, not reduce it to a neo-liberal economic ideal.
"The value of an object is what it takes to create it, not the amount society wishes to pay for it."
No, no it's not. We can have no further productive discussion, as you are a full on communist if you believe this. It has been proven wrong time and time again. You may as well argue that 1+1+4.
It's demonstrably false everywhere. Like, literally everywhere you look. Coach bags, Lamborghinis. It's proven wrong every second of every day.
You're completely ignoring that the quality of a salesman affects the price, and that sales is a different skill from production. You're ignoring basic reality in front of you.
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you are talking about price, not the value. I am talking about value, you just have zero understanding lmao
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No, you're just a fool who can't see what you call value is irrelevant. Nobody fucking cares about your made up value.
WHAT IS THE PRACTICAL USE OF ASSIGNING VALUES WHEN THE REAL WORLD IGNORES THEM BECAUSE PRICE IS THE REAL MARKET?
GIVE ME ONE USE!
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"WHAT IS THE PRACTICAL USE OF ASSIGNING VALUES WHEN THE REAL WORLD IGNORES THEM BECAUSE PRICE IS THE REAL MARKET?
GIVE ME ONE USE!"
well a society without a market. Which has been the most common for the majority of human history actually. Nice try tho
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Nice try what? I actually want to know. Stop acting like everyone else is some kind of Hitler
Say I'm a guy living in the US and Europe. Price is all that matters to me because I have to pay prices. What use is your theory for anything?
Shitting in a trench out behind your house was also common for the majority of human history, and that's no argument for going back to it. If you are just going to lob middle-school logical fallacies at me, I'm going to stop wasting my effort on you.
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