The Announcement of Hardfork 23.0

https://steemit.com/hive-185836/@xpilar/who-has-access-to-my-account-has-it-been-hacked

stef1 (81) · 5 years ago (edited)

Thank you The Steemit Team for this notification and we should look forward and support the users who keep the platform active.

Hi Everyone using the opportunity being on the top of the comment chain and to share this link from @xpilar, who supports Steem and seems to have the account of him and Norway team was attacked:

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epic-fail (59) · 5 years ago

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pfunk (72) · 5 years ago (edited)

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frankbacon (65) · 5 years ago

rEsteemed for this comment alone!

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leveuf (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

As part of the Knitrias Project Roadmap, we continue our work in supporting our Members' growth and knowlege.
The Knitrias Project Community, was created to share their works, ideas and projects. Here is the Community Id: https://steemit.com/trending/hive-120112

We will be making the announcement shortly!

Best wishes for the projects working in Steem!!

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stef1 (81) · 5 years ago

Thank you @leveuf for Knitrias Project Community, wish you all the best!

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leveuf (67) · 5 years ago

Thanks to you @Stef1 for the well wishes!!
Best winds for your projects also!!

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famigliacurione (70) · 5 years ago

Recent events have revealed the fragility of the Steem network in this time of rebirth, and it would be wise for the Steemit Team to compile a list of trusted apps and tools for those Steemians who have decided to remain loyal to the Steem blockchain. Thank you!

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danielsaori (63) · 5 years ago

Indeed, it's been crazy to see the reason events unfold. Those truly loyal to the steam blockchain, as we all use to know it, are now over at hive.
Please follow this link to get a list of the 4 most common blogging related apps: https://hiveonboard.com/discover-dapps

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famigliacurione (70) · 5 years ago

If you are referring to Witnesses, I agree. But the user-base has not changed much on Steemit. Most users are simply playing both sides of the fence, chasing rewards. 3Speak and Esteem are dying with ever fewer daily users. A small obstreperous minority are making it seem like they speak for the majority; they are only deluding themselves.

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vermithrax (56) · 4 years ago

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famigliacurione (70) · 4 years ago

Interesting use of selective stats. Those are transactions, and not daily users. The fall in transactions on Steem is mainly due to farming and milking being halted by HF23 which zeroed out some accounts that were abusing the system. Those same accounts are probably still farming and milking on the HIVE blockchain.

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sku77-poprocks (67) · 5 years ago

Agreed

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pfunk (72) · 5 years ago

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galenkp (75) · 5 years ago

Moving forward, we will continue to encourage and support talent, projects, and Dapps that will shine on this platform.

Who judges the talent? And what of us who are not talented? Those, like me who are simply everyday people writing a blog the best they can?

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mehta (80) · 5 years ago

I checked and found that powerdown period on Steemit platform not shows current 4week period, it shows old values. Please correct it, if powerdown period is modified in HF 23.0.

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nokodemion (59) · 5 years ago

You should stop en restart it. Champ!!!

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mehta (80) · 5 years ago

I don't understand. Please elaborate.
I was not started any powerdown, So what should stop. I just checking function.
I am not starting and started yet.

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rafalski (66) · 5 years ago

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mehta (80) · 5 years ago

Thanks for suggestion. Then please tell where i go, i don't see anyone.

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arcange (73) · 5 years ago

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haikubot (54) · 5 years ago

Thanks for suggestion.
Then please tell where i go, i
Don't see anyone.

^{- mehta}

^{^{I'm a bot. I detect haiku.}}

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edb (59) · 5 years ago

You don't see anyone because anyone who understands the blockchain has moved to Hive. Join us on https://peakd.com or https://hive.blog!

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cmplxty (62) · 5 years ago

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mehta (80) · 5 years ago

Currently, i don't want to start powerdown. I am just checking and providing my feedback to steemit team. That's it.
I have no doughy on steemit team technical knowledge. Sometimes someone else has more knowledge, that is possible. I am just providing feedback to them so that they can correct it.

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dreamrafa (66) · 5 years ago

That is such a poor job, i cant even believe it... So if just want to power out a fraction i cant...

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arcange (73) · 5 years ago

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gtrussi (48) · 5 years ago

Justin Sun can copy code and buyout existing companies but he can never force free people to become his slaves.

贾斯汀·孙（Justin Sun）可以复制代码并收购现有公司，但他永远不能强迫自由的人成为他的奴隶。

저스틴 선 (Justin Sun)은 코드를 복사하고 기존 회사를 매입 할 수는 있지만 자유인을 강제로 노예로 만들 수 없습니다.

Justin Sunはコードをコピーして既存の企業を買収することができますが、自由な人々に彼の奴隷になることを強制することはできません。

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bosferi123 (65) · 5 years ago

Very good information for everyone here

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago

Nothing good about the hard fork. It's a total disaster. Of course @steemitblog won't tell your that.

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block.token (61) · 5 years ago

Good work. Thank you to @community321 and @justinsunsteemit. :)

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pfunk (72) · 5 years ago

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eirik (69) · 5 years ago

What?

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sportsgeek (61) · 5 years ago

PowerDown 4 weeks? No - still tells me 13 weeks to go - why is that? @steemitblog

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tamiil (65) · 5 years ago

It's 4 weeks, it's just a display error you're seeing. The developers don't know how to fix it.

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traciyork (68) · 5 years ago

Awesome gift to the lawyers who'll be representing the 64 accounts you stole from...

And I'm curious - what did @mottler do to harm the stability of the blockchain? He/she hasn't been active since 2016... oh yeah, that's right - they had a big wallet, and you wanted it so you just took it. The only thing that shines on this chain is your hypocrisy, @justinsunsteemit!

Justin Sun wanted poster.jpg

I am community321.gif

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oppongk (75) · 5 years ago

Thanks for the updates, we are looking forward for good and vibrant projects.

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goodreader (78) · 5 years ago

Chinese translation for Chinese community is ready :- steemitblog 的硬分叉HF23申明 | hive

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pfunk (72) · 5 years ago (edited)

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arcange-1 (0) · 5 years ago

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epic-fail (59) · 5 years ago

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preparedwombat (70) · 5 years ago

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pfunk (72) · 5 years ago

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wikitextbot (46) · 5 years ago

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Mildred Elizabeth Gillars (November 29, 1900 – June 25, 1988), nicknamed "Axis Sally" along with Rita Zucca, was an American broadcaster employed by Nazi Germany to disseminate propaganda during World War II. Following her capture in post-war Berlin, she became the first woman to be convicted of treason against the United States. In March 1949, she was sentenced to ten to thirty years' imprisonment. She was released in 1961.

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pfunk (72) · 5 years ago (edited)

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago

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cmp2020 (72) · 5 years ago

I agree with a lot of this aside from:

No, you have destroyed Steem.

But I agree that seizing funds in both cases was wrong. I will say that on Steem there were blatant attacks against the chain by some of the witnesses who had stake removed, and it is arguable that it was done in protection of the chain. My problem is that there was very little notice, and no recognition of what each of the users had done as individuals that merited seizing their stake.

In similar regards, the Hive fork was also with very little notice (the code was published the morning of, and that is when we found out we were on the blacklist), and its seizing of funds wasn't based on any attack that had happened. It was in order to protect from possible attacks. Many users who had their funds seized (such as myself) were voting for several Hive witnesses along with Tron witnesses. I can't speak for others, but my father and I (and likely the Korean proxy) did this to ensure that neither party gained full control.

In both cases, I think that you are right that the action of seizing funds taints the chain, and looks horrible to potential investors. Especially when the account the funds are sent to is not even secure.

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whatsup (75) · 5 years ago

Agreed, I never voted for the other witnesses, but I too thought the stale mate would keep the chain safe until things calmed down. So, I can totally understand that.

I have to side with the hive team that they can pick and choose who they gave the tokens to, but it just caused a lot of bad feelings that I am not sure were worth it in their eyes.

Mostly though, I just no longer trust this deployment of DPOS on either chain and feel frustrated there isn't a greater level of respect for Stake. Investors should avoid.

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cmp2020 (72) · 5 years ago

In regards to Hive, have you seen this? I think it proves that we were given tokens and then the tokens were taken away.

I agree a lot about DPOS. I actually wonder if it would be better to redesign the governance entirely.

I wonder if having 3 groups of 10 main witnesses elected differently would be a good solution. For instance, 10 witnesses chosen by the stake voting for them, 10 chosen for the number of active accounts voting for them, and 10 with the largest amount stake in their wallet that decide to become witnesses. The 10 with the largest stake can either choose to become a witness, or choose to use their stake to vote for the stake based voting. I think this (or something like it) would help to create a much better system of checks and balances. I also wonder if there can be a way to have a community veto of a hardfork or soft fork by allowing the community to vote on it a week prior (or some other method).

Whatever the system becomes, I definitely think it needs to be changed. We plan to possibly write a post about it some day.

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whatsup (75) · 5 years ago

No, I hadn't seen it.

At the end of the day for me, this deployment of DPOS has proven a handful of people can not only make undisclosed changes, send false signals but also tamper with stake. That goes against everything I wanted from crypto.

Still could be an okay blogging platform.

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago

It was wrong in all three cases. To protect the chain a forced power down would have been enough. The witnesses of both chains did the worse they for trust they could do: freeze and seize funds.

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cmp2020 (72) · 5 years ago

Yes, I did not agree with freezing funds either (though there were also two instances of freezing. The first being of Steemit's funds, the second being sf 22.8888).

I will say that seizing funds was something intended for the protocol by Dan Larimer when he creatted DPos. That article is from my father @remlaps.

Though I had not heard of the idea of a forced power down. That might have been a good solution!

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago

If a potentially malicious account is powered down it can't do any damage any more. The account can cash in its STEEM and SDB and leave then chain or challenge the decision and if successful power up again.

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cmp2020 (72) · 5 years ago

One thing that must be considered is the possibility of a malicious account sending to the exchange, and then sending their funds to a different account to power up. Though I would say that in this case, I think all of the users effected were already powering down and leaving, so I think your solution would have worked.

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notconvinced (59) · 5 years ago

You're funds weren't seized, just not duplicated. You can convert your steem to hive at anytime.

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cmp2020 (72) · 5 years ago

Except they were duplicated.

cmp2020 and cmp2020-pb.PNG

There's the block from the hive explorer showing how many funds I had that were transferred out of my account.

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notconvinced (59) · 5 years ago

Lol, it wasn't transferred...and you know this!

Just a FYI, I voted to approve all airdrops. So I believe you deserve the mirrored funds, but again, nothing was taken from you.

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cmp2020 (72) · 5 years ago

Thank you very much for your vote! I appreciate it a lot!

I must say that I disagree, but what's in the past is in the past. I'm just never gonna use Hive.

Again, thanks a lot!

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heimindanger (68) · 5 years ago

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cmp2020 (72) · 5 years ago

Yeah, I am already on the spamminator list. I don't care enough to stick around until I'm downvoted to negative 12. I didn't vote for centralization, and now I am going to use the platform that hasn't disrespected and disowned me.

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sku77-poprocks (67) · 5 years ago

I hear they are treating even you bas over there on hive lol. Watching them gloat about it is particularly disturbing. Sorry, off-putting is a better choice.

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cryptokannon (74) · 5 years ago

Their funds were duplicate and now in the @steem.dao acc. Source : https://peakd.com/proposal/@crypticat/burn-821-hbd-day

@steem.dao wallet has 445,051 HBD and 83,370,205 HIVE which is slowly being converted into more HBD for the DAO

the 83 million HIVE and 164000 of the HBD represent Steemit's Stake and those accounts which supported Justin Sun's witness takeover, this currency injection is new to the Decentralized Hive Fund

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sku77-poprocks (67) · 5 years ago

Correct, I just wish the pre Justin steem witnesses would take responsibility for seizing funds initially. They based it on pure imaginative cause and it wasn't right despite the spin being placed on it. Its quite rich to see the hive supporters now up in arms when steemit is now responding in kind with cause based on actions and not speculation.

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pfunk (72) · 5 years ago

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sku77-poprocks (67) · 5 years ago

No, the steem witnesses that froze Justin's stake ruined the best thing to happen to steem. A prominent figure in crypto taking notice of the platform and making an investment.

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago

I partially agree there. The witnesses should not have frozen the funds. Freezing funds is wrong.

But, as we now know, the mistrust in @justinsunsteemit was justified. @justinsunsteemit is indeed an authoritarian who desires dictatorial control over the anything he purchases.

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sku77-poprocks (67) · 5 years ago

Im sorry, you've confused yourself and morw important you're likely going to confuse someone else.

Steem witnesses were free to mistrust Justin. No matter that cause, they had no right to freeze his stake [FIRST]

if someone purchases something, its common sense theu would expect control over their keys.

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago

True but as I posted earlier:

Retaliating with even worse measurements made it only worse.

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sku77-poprocks (67) · 5 years ago

Incorrect, if they set the precedent of fund freezing for protection of the chain from some future event, so too it is prudent for Justin to do the same.

Justin is in fact more responsible to do so since the hive witnesses with all their newly found fortune and new ninja mine only publicly proclaimed their only intent was to dump all their steem to destabilize the chain and token price. Furthering their objective of punishing those who have not flocked to hive.

Its the pot calling the kettle black. Except its worse because the initial aggressor of stake here did so because of whatever their imaginations allowed their minds to create, but the latter is doing so to protect users that have remained and still have stake on steemit with a factual basis to do so.

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pfunk (72) · 5 years ago (edited)

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sku77-poprocks (67) · 5 years ago

Sorry, no matter how much you cry and spin the story, you can thank your hive creators for starting the series of unfortunate events that have spiraled out of control.

Instead of focusing on what you don't care about here, why aren't you guys advocating for those you malicously excluded from the hive airdrop? Its been like a month. Its also really odd that the blacklist you guys created is now being pawned off as an error.

I literally watched in real time so many prominent figures in hive so happy to have carried out the exclusion.

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago (edited)

why aren't you guys advocating for those you maliciously excluded from the hive airdrop?

Just check my comments on hive and you see I did. You can also check my votes on the hive proposal system in favour of airdropping to blacklisted accounts.

One can oppose all freezing, blacklisting and seizing of funds.

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sku77-poprocks (67) · 5 years ago

But has it happened yet? No. I think the energy being wasted here by (somehow still) unhappy hive members is misplaced.

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago (edited)

No, it's perfectly places.

Stuff I'm unhappy about Hive ⇒ post on Hive.
Stuff I'm unhappy about Steem ⇒ post on Steem.

What you are missing is that you can be a member of both chains. There is no official requirement to close one account and only use one chain.

Mind you: After @justinsunsteemit did the ultimate evil and seized funds I'm powering down and wait for good time to sell.

On scale of 1 … 10 — with 10 being most evil:

Temporary freezing funds or accounts: 3
Excluding users from blockchain fork: 5
Gaining control over DPoS blockchain with sock puppets: 7
Seizing funds: 9

With each step it got worse and there is only one step left: stealing everyones funds.

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sku77-poprocks (67) · 5 years ago

I wish I could format.

/methinks do you even format?

Sorry I need to brush up on formatting.

Im not missing anything. I know people can be a part of both chains.

You mention in another comment not too far from here that 'two wrongs don't make a right' [acknowledgment of the initial hive witness freeze of Justin's funds to be blatantly wrong and provocative.

It would be refreshing then to see the holier than thou vitriol to die down and it has to start with hive and their proponents. They started this entire mess and they will have to be a large part of the solution rather than playing kryptoKaren on Twitter and falsifying information to crypto news sites that assume(wrongfully) that hive community has the capacity to share their dealings without making stuff up and only present facts including their own personal accountability.

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago

That is what I would have hoped for as well. Both chains going their own way and not making it worse then it already was.

And then I read about the blacklist and the bug in the script creating the blacklist.

I don't know if you know but the idiots on Hive used a script to create the blacklist and there had been a bug adding innocent accounts.

What a mess.

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