Taking flight: forking the user base

in steemit •  7 years ago 

One thing that worries me a little about society these days is how quickly people abandon ideas. I wonder if it is because a consumption culture, we design to dispose rather than repair. TVs, furniture, phones and cars all fall into this category these days.

I think the same concept is a major reason that many relationships fail as with all of the apps and social opportunities, there is always another person (or group of people) waiting around the next swipe. People are disposable.

As are platforms.

There is a lot of talk about the EOS platform coming and I have to be honest, I don't know much about it yet, many people here are excited. Perhaps it will be fundamentally better and people will be crazy to stay at Steemit but, is that going to be the reality? It is hard to tell at this point. The problem with it all is that there are question surrounding it and the answers seem designed to create FUD in the system to make people second guess investing either here or there giving it a 'wait and see' vibe.

A major problem at Steemit is distribution and even though in some ways it was happening, there are other actions happening that counteract it. @dan has talked about better distribution on his rival platform and where early adopters and investors don't have an advantage but, how is this going to be achievable considering some people have already bought in very heavily. Many of those people are the same people holding early stake here.

Of course, he could sell all of the early investors out and grant all even stake too I guess to level the playing field. He is a smart guy though so I am sure he has some ideas. What would be interesting is that if his platform demanded verification. Would you be willing to verify openly? That may change a lot of investors minds if they have to show their face but, if there is a lot of value on the line to do so, how many will remove the masks. I would say quite a few. Every ideal has a price.

One thing I did hear that interests me though is the concept of content providers of quality being rewarded without having to rely as heavily on whether they have stake or not. I have to say that if he is able to solve the quality issue, it does make it more attractive. Apparently he has also mentioned that there will be no place for bots on the system. Again, that ups the game too.

But, this is the interesting thing isn't it? Society ups and takes flight when something is not working rather than repair it which is largely due to a lack of skill, an unwillingness to learn and an attitude of lazy. Repair takes work and that is something people look to avoid these days.

But, if quality content is rewarded on the EOS platform, how many are actually capable? If bots aren't allowed, how many will manually curate? If the new platform takes work, how many are willing to actually work for their bread?

Overall, from what I have read from @dan he is an interesting person but, almost as idealistic as myself when it comes to society's ability to fundamentally change. Is he overestimating how willing people are to actually act on their words and change.

I am glad there is going to be competition to Steemit though as to be honest, maybe it will be the pressure needed to actually get the invested people here invested in the ethical running of the platform for the future, not just the financial. The risk is of course that too many abandon Steemit for greener pastures and leave the rest in the lurch.

Maybe, that in itself would be a benefit, a Spring clean of those who will throwaway rather than take the time and make the effort to repair what is broken. Perhaps the two platforms will run side by side with fundamentally different user bases. It is hard to say.

What is going to be interesting however as the launch dates and details slowly merge is how various people who have said this and claimed that then react and behave on the new information. I look forward to the observation of the community and the inevitable fighting words that will arise. More complexity, conflict and interesting times to come.

Taraz
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Distribution is always an issue. Distribution historically has been an issue. Distribution will continue to be an issue anywhere.

It's the same as starting your own website. It wasn't a problem to get found in 1996, people would link to you if your quality was solid. Then came Yahoo directory, then DMOZ, then Google (which even used DMOZ listing as a ranking metric).

It's the same as starting a FB page or a Youtube channel.

You do not get found and nor should you when you're a newbie. You're one of thousands and it will take work, as well as community presence and activity to be noticed. There is no reason whatsoever why a newbie among tens of thousands, should receive more visibility anywhere.

It's the same as starting a business IRL, you will have to market yourself and your skills to be noticed and then to actually sell.

Welcome to the Internet, welcome to the mirror of real life. Just because you're more anonymous, and a digital outlet of yourself, don't feel more entitled than you would be offline.

What caught my attention in this post though was:

Overall, from what I have read from @dan he is an interesting person but, almost as idealistic as myself when it comes to society's ability to fundamentally change. Is he overestimating how willing people are to actually act on their words and change.

And then you go on:

... maybe it will be the pressure needed to actually get the invested people here invested in the ethical running of the platform for the future, not just the financial.

Idealist, indeed. :D

Well, you know I am a hopeless idealist and I agree with you, at least for myself.

I don't think people who complain about visibility here are doing half the work required. Sure, there is a lot of circlejerk issues etc but still. I consider myself relatively hard-working on and off the platform but when I check the activities of many who complain, their sweat investment is much lower than their 'entitled' claims for return.

People come here expecting easy yet it seems they haven't lived in the real-world at all.

I see it on twitter a lot. Many you can see are getting ready to jump ship but still talking the game about steemit etc. One of the top witnesses on Steem who posts all about his travels but not much about being a witness is probably taking all his witness payout and buying EOS lol

You can tell many just pay lip service to caring etc but you can see its really about making that money yo.

Unless Dan builds something which can't be done on the steem blockchain, Ned can just suggest to the witnesses to make whatever changes are necessary to replicate EOS' popular features.
Its easier to add new tech than to add new users.

Yes, this is the pressure to change. Once it starts costing the decision makers rather than the users directly, things can move very swiftly.

We are surely living in a "throw away and buy a new" culture. The phone is renewed every 9 months, and fashion is changing on a daily basis (Though i think fashion in itself is shitty and confusing, H'M's Fast fashion takes it to whole new levels). Nothing is worth repairing when you can order new stuff from china with free delivery.

Maybe we should look towards the Japanese Kintsugi, the art of repairing pottery with a gold infused flue. You join the broken peaces with gold, thus highlighting the fractures, making it more beautiful in the process. It's certainly harder to use the term on a digital product, but it's still a nice way of looking at the world.

Competition is always good but if they didn’t repair it now, they probably won’t repair it then.
Take a look at consumer goods. It is not that people are not willing to have it repaired, it is that the manufacturers build in such way that it can’t be repaired. It is for them much more profitable to sell new goods in stead of deliverying repair parts. Maybe dor Dan it is the same with Eos?

It is very possible that it is the same for Dan which makes me wonder what happens if the EOS platform has problems a year or two down the track.

I do think that he will start with a new project if EOS is life. I'm not saying that he will abandon Steemit and EOS, but he probably have already a lot of new projects in mind that he want to realize.
You can compare it with Musk. He already is probably working on a new X product, that we don't know of. While he easily could give Tesla some more of its time to get things on track. It is not that these kind of people doesn't care but they like to set up new projects and work them out, once life the enthusiasm decrease and they just do want to put their effort in something fresh. To quality of these is that they learn from their mistakes and combine this with real out-a-the-box thinking mentality (look at the hyperloop)!

I do not know Dan but the little that I do know is that he gets an idea developed it then moves on to the next idea . That is where his passion is . Then he leaves behind what he started . A rolling stone , maybe one day he will slow down and keep his passion with a single project . With that said I do not expect more out of EOS .
Everything that keeps its success has good leadership , adapts to changes and evolves over time . Without those abilities decay will happen .

Yah distribution is the major problem i agree..and begginers to this platform not get full benifits here.

Mmh, I don’t agree 100%. It is true that for new Steemians it is hard to get noticed. But if they keep on writing quality content (post and comments) they will get a fair share. Steemit nor Eos will be a quick rich scheme!

Takes a lot of work here and everywhere in life for the most part.

Repair does take work. I still remember when our tv broke and we took it to a tv repair shop to get fixed. There was actually a shop in town that would work on them. Now, it's unheard of!

I don't know much about EOS either. To be honest, I didn't know he was working on a rival platform. It could be that he's looking to capture a different audience. I'm curious what that will do to the price of Steem.

Are they still planning on doing the communities and SMTs or is he just moving on to EOS? It will be interesting how he "levels the playing field" there, specifically if he has early investors to keep happy.

We did the same when I was a kid.

Ned will be doing the SMTs and communities from at least appearances, Dan is mostly out of Steemit.

Wish things could be fixed on Steem, but there isn't a process to make it happen... No governance model to get things fixed. It's all a free-for-all shoot-em-up lol. EOS for the win I hope :) Rather than fight to fix the old, create the new and people will go where thing are better and able to be empowered more.

Do you think that will be the case though considering the same 'run and gunners here have been buying upin EOS too. The smaller users suffering the most here are unlikely to have much EOS at all. Will it be more of the same? I have no real idea as to what EOSwill create but I can't see it being without similar problems.

If I understand it correctly, EOS is marketing themselves as an operating system, technology platform.

So if it acts as a steemit competitor, then that would likely be a platform built upon the platform, so to speak.

So how exactly does he plan on stopping bots? That is impossible.

A bot is simply a program of automation. Where you have an API, you'll have bots. Where you don't have an API you'll still have bots, as developers find ways to reverse engineer technology and even use things such as input simulation. That's why forms often have captcha fields, to try stop bots. Are they going to make us type in captchas 20 times a day?

Facebook, Twitter, Google, Instagram, LinkedIn, etc.. these all have bots.

If an account can't signup/act unless verified human?

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then that would make it very centralised - ie. there's a central authority verifying accounts.

goes against one of the core cryptocurrency principals

perhaps he has realised human nature isn't ready for self-governance :D

I'm actually having a read through the white paper as we speak.

I haven't gotten very far into it - but so far it sounds almost exactly the same as the steem blockchain.

There is this, which pretty much contradicts the whole "no bot" thing:

Every account may be controlled by any weighted combination of other accounts and private keys. This creates a hierarchical authority structure that reflects how permissions are organized in reality, and makes multi-user control over funds easier than ever. Multi-user control is the single biggest contributor to security, and, when used properly, it can greatly reduce the risk of theft due to hacking.

Yeah, I don't see how it is possible either but, they are some of the FUD claims circulating.

Thanks for the information, especially for newcomers like me. I have much to learn about steemit in particular.

one more, your photo shoot is very good. capture moment when the right moment. greetings

You are right, @dan is a very interesting person. I have read a few of his thought on how the new platform will change in a lot of ways but I am not very hopeful that things will be much better.
These problems are embedded in human nature, only a few can reject the urge to milk as much as possible from the society with minimal work. We can take away the bots, but can we take away vote sales? Isn't that as damaging as bidbots? So that's where our problem is - our greed.

For now, I can't say much about the EOS platform. Am not particularly interested in jumping ship but who wouldn't want to taste the pasture over there if it looks greener than here.

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