Steemit Pedophile Ring Exposed

demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

Flagged for witch hunting, and misrepresenting the situation, as described by other commenters in this thread.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago (edited)

I debunked their comments. So please remove your flag. You are literally flagging a post exposing a child porn up loader. You want that on your record so be it.

The evidence is there, in plain sight. I never accused the followers of @IAmGod of anything, I merely accused the people who UP VOTED specific posts that were CHILD PORN.

The commentators you are referencing are denying that girls under 18 topless showing their nipples is child porn. Or that a girl under 18 in a thong marked NSFW because it is NSFW is not child porn when it is. Go look at the evidence yourself.

Stop letting commentators lie and change your opinion, just go look at the evidence.

Lastly this is not a witch hunt, that is something commonly thrown at people trying to expose evil.

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago

oh you debunked them by being ignorant? Titusfrost - you are a bully.

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fuchsia.ink (40) · 8 years ago (edited)

I am sorry, that you have had to face so much backlash, when all you were trying to do is clean Steemit. The photos are suggestive, the girls are made to look younger than 18, with the aim to attract closet Peadophiles. And that is disgusting. Not only are the photos suggestive, some are topless and the last post is a naked girl flaunting her privates. With lewd comments like "sexy" posted under it. So it most definitely is PORN. And you have done the correct thing by bringing it to light. With 13 year olds being allowed on Steemit, there should be no obscene, pornographic content allowed, at all.

In short, things that we don't want our kids, nieces, nephews etc seeing, should not be uploaded. We all have a moral obligation, to do our part as moderators, by flagging lewd posts and taking action against the culprit. Instead of fighting over semantics, about it being a peadophile ring or not, everyone who feels porn on Steemit should banned, should flag any pornographic posts they come across. Similar action should be taken against those who aprreciate that content, by actively commenting and encouraging such posts, like @wix did when he wrote "sexy" , after looking at a naked girl flaunting her privates.

Followers and upvoters, may not even have a clue about what they voted on, thanks to the various voting services that many of us use. In such a senario, harassing them is not fair either. But all said and done, please stop this fight over semantics and focus on the real issue. The only question here is, "are those posts offensive and lewd?", if yes then join hands to prevent this from happening again.

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sneak (64) · 8 years ago

In short, things that we don't want our kids, nieces, nephews etc seeing, should not be uploaded.

Why is that? Do you wish to tailor steemit's content to the lowest common denominator?

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sneak (64) · 8 years ago

The only question here is, "are those posts offensive and lewd?", if yes then join hands to prevent this from happening again.

Why do you want to prevent offensive or lewd content from being posted?

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago

Thank you demotrunk! He just destroyed my profile with this witchhunt.

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fuchsia.ink (40) · 8 years ago

Why don't you explain you side of the story, and request these people to remove the flags they have cast? Maybe, you can make everyone understand that, you were not at fault and were just unlucky enough, to get caught in the crossfire. And don't worry, this too shall resolve itself. :)

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago

I did write a post about it - this comment was one of the first I wrote and it was before I wrote the post. But thank you! :)

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theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago

This is really sad. Trying to force your point of view by flagging a person trying to warn people of something that could be easily described offensive if nothing else!?

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

Do you believe that serious accusations require strong evidence?

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theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago

Yes, I do believe that serious accusations require strong evidence. But, I also believe that strong evidence is a very slippery thing.
Logically speaking:
In this case strong evidence would be a "real" child porn picture, something that I believe non of the steemians, including the accuser, want to see or search for, in case they may be found guilty as well.
You said yourself that you haven't looked at all the pictures for that reason (or am I wrong?). In this case, you have no way of disproving the accusation as being false. Hence, attacking it on that level of lack of strong proof is invalid.
Considering the scenario that @titusfrost found strong evidence, if they shared that evidence with everyone else, they will be condemned for advertising for child porn and in this case @titusfrost will be as guilty as @iamgod in distibuting child porn.
The issue as I see it: We are all strangers from around the world. We all come here to make friends, make money, share our thoughts and share many other things. We trust each other by default (at least 50%) that every person is nice/innocent until proven otherwise.
It is inevitable that there will be evil people everywhere we go. Now the question. Do I trust my fellow steemian who is warning me about something that looks fishy (even if not completely illegal in someone's point of view)? or do I trust the steemian posting the fishy stuff?
I could do either of the following:
1- trust the accuser 100%
2- distrust the accuser 100%
3-trust the accuser 70% and be aware of things in case they turned to be incorrect.

In either case, it is only smart to keep in mind that the accusation are real and be aware to act fast if the fire started spreading.

Finally, many people are abused around the world but have no ability/power to speak up or ask for protection (for some reason or another). Does that mean they weren't wronged? Does that mean the abuser haven't done anything wrong? Not at all. Yet, the abuser lives free while the abused pay for the pain and humiliation for the rest of their life (psychologically at least)

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najoh (70) · 8 years ago

One has to prove that the other party is guilty, one doesn't have to prove that he is innocent. We haven't seen yet any proof of the accusation, it seems like normal porn and photos from metart. The titles are just clickbait like the ones you can find on any porn website. And no the community wont go over hundreds of porn posts to find out if it's true or not, if you have a proof go to the local autorities to report it.

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theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago

Proof can work either way, for guilt and for innocence.

Those who are innocent can prove their good intention to other steemians and build trust and reputation, like many others are doing.

I mentioned that I know many of the followers and that I dont think they are the type of people who will endorse pedophilia or porn on steemit at least.

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edb1984 (49) · 8 years ago (edited)

Now hold on just one minute...

Before we start throwing around SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS I think it's important to get something clear before the torches are lit and pitch fork wielding righteous indignation fully takes over...

Following does not necessarily indicate support, neither in whole or in part.
Following does not necessarily indicate agreement, neither in whole or in part.
Users should not be required to make sure there's no objectionable content in someones posting history before they hit follow.
You are not responsible for the actions of those you follow.
Users gain followers for any number of meaningless impersonal reasons
(following can be automated, following can be calculated, following can be strategic, following can be frivolous)
Even upvoting doesn't necessarily imply anything.
(voting can be automated, voting can be calculated, voting can be strategic, voting can be frivolous)

PS:

Standard of evidence vs level of accusation...

May I suggest that the "proof" fit the level of accusation in future.

"Child sex ring" is a serious claim and demands a high level of evidence. Please watch that, you can't take something like this back. Only claim what you can support or you risk making someone look better if it's determined you over-accused them.

More on that evidence...

I had to go look for the single image presented as evidence as there was no link to it (no the title doesn't prove anything). On it's own the photo wouldn't be sufficient to meet the burden of proof. There nothing pornographic about it neither is it a certainty that the subjects age is under 18.

If I didn't keep looking and it were just this image as was claimed as "proof" I would have accused you of being guilty of unconscionable slander, but I did keep looking and it's the combined collection of images that a pattern is clearly formed, especially the voyeristic nature creepiness and sexual titles.

THAT is the evidence.

Evidence, mind you, not "proof".

FACT:

The image was not child porn

The image was not even porn

I'm not sure why you chose such a poor example as "proof" but in any case one shouldn't be congratulated in presenting one photo of a girl that could be easily over 18 and claiming it as "proof" of a child sex ring on steemit!

All of the ones I saw were not directly pornographic (all clothed in public and most late teens with some possible mid-teen) , there was one exception which was one of a topless girl which cannot be argued reasonably looks over 18. The ages of the others ranged from uncertain to really pushing credulity. Mixed with that are a number of posts of young legal professional photos.

There's a lot of porn posted here that's perfectly legal (maybe not from a copyrighted sense) and we don't need every young looking image or those labelled as "teen" (age 18+ is legal) being accused of being child porn and all those who upvoted and followed the user as part of a pedophile ring because someone doesn't want their young 14 year old son finding porn here.

Speaking of which, I mean... really? A mother says they saw child porn and asks, what if their 14 year old son saw it? Quite a strange remark... It implies they actually saw a totally different photo than the one cited as "PROOF" in this post. If not, then they must be saying they're okay with their 14 year old son seeing hardcore legal porn on Steemit and NOT okay seeing a photo of a girl his age or older taken in public, clothed and which is only sexualised by the title. Which is it?

If you find possible illegal activity on Steemit may I suggest you quietly report it to moderators. Consider the possibility that law enforcement could be notified and the individuals monitored and evidence gathered. Calling them out immediately sabotages such action.

That is, if you care about those in the images more than the steem dollar rewards, and it does seem quite the dilemma when the profits do seem so juicy and tempting and people so easy to fool. Even when it means requiring they forget how they know Steemit works and just believe without question whatever claim you make and tell them "don't look!" at your "proof" if they think maybe they ought to check implying it's such a explicit image that they can get into big trouble just viewing it!

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

My response:

Following does not necessarily indicate support, neither in whole or in part.
Following does not necessarily indicate agreement, neither in whole or in part.

I said that some of the accounts following were doing so to report the account. So that has already been negated, or did you not read?

Users should not be required to make sure there's no objectionable content in someones posting history before they hit follow.

I never said otherwise.

You are not responsible for the actions of those you follow.

I never said otherwise.

However, if you are following an account constantly posting content that is YES CHILD PORN! A under 18 year old girl being topless is child porn. Go look at the posts. If I submitted those to Law Enforcement, whoever posted it would be guilty of spreading child porn.

More on that evidence...

I had to go look for the single image presented as evidence as there was no link to it (no the title doesn't prove anything). On it's own the photo wouldn't be sufficient to meet the burden of proof. There nothing pornographic about it neither is it a certainty that the subjects age is under 18.

If I didn't keep looking and it were just this image as was claimed as "proof" I would have accused you of being guilty of unconscionable slander, but I did keep looking and it's the combined collection of images that a pattern is clearly formed, especially the voyeristic nature creepiness and sexual titles.
THAT is the evidence.
Evidence, mind you, not "proof".
FACT:
The image was not child porn
The image was not even porn

I did not add links to the posts because I did not want people going and seeing that content due to me linking to it. You want to find that stuff so bad go look up the screen shots I took.

It was child porn. Go look at it, the images are of girls under 18 with their nipples clearly visible, which constitutes child porn. Another is an under 18 year old in a thong, marked NSFW. This content is the definition of child pornography. Never mind the other posts that I did not screenshot that include camel toe shots of girls well under 18. If you think allowing child porn on Steemit is acceptable that is on you.

Speaking of which, I mean... really? A mother says they saw child porn and asks, what if their 14 year old son saw it? Quite a strange remark... It implies they actually saw a totally different photo than the one cited as "PROOF" in this post. If not, then they must be saying they're okay with their 14 year old son seeing hardcore legal porn on Steemit and NOT okay seeing a photo of a girl his age or older taken in public, clothed and which is only sexualised by the title. Which is it?

Uhm excuse me but what article are you even referencing? I am not a Mother and I don't have a 14 year old, nor does this make any sense.

If you find possible illegal activity on Steemit may I suggest you quietly report it to moderators. Consider the possibility that law enforcement could be notified and the individuals monitored and evidence gathered. Calling them out immediately sabotages such action.

I don't know how to report it to moderators other than writing an article and posting it with @Ned and @Steemit in it. So sorry I didn't report the abusive behavior in a manner you approve, but I don't care one IOTA about your opinion.

That is, if you care about those in the images more than the steem dollar rewards, and it does seem quite the dilemma when the profits do seem so juicy and tempting and people so easy to fool. Even when it means requiring they forget how they know Steemit works and just believe without question whatever claim you make and tell them "don't look!" at your "proof" if they think maybe they ought to check implying it's such a explicit image that they can get into big trouble just viewing it!

Implying I wrote this article merely for Steemit Rewards is borderline libel. I do not do what I do for money. Sorry but I don't, I have covered that many times in the past. If you had any clue about the work I do on exposing these types of situations you would know that. So let me summarily state, if you think I did this for money. You can go fuck yourself, I can only imagine the garbage content on your blog.

Yes people can be tried by law enforcement for viewing child porn, and it is child porn. Images of underage girls showing their nipples and standing in thongs marked NSFW is child porn.

Lastly why are you attacking me for exposing this rather than asking the question, how do we stop this?

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sammosk (71) · 8 years ago

I have a comment, if generating value was not your desired outcome, why did you not select 'no reward' on this post?

I believe you need a take a moment to investigate things further and get some factual evidence (Like names, times of photographs, age at time) before throwing out very serious accusations that could potentially wind you in deep drama. You are a journalist as you say, act like one. Investigate further before publishing your findings.

You seem rather hostile in your responses at times. I understand this topic is a volatile one but I hope this trend does not continue. De-escalation is preferred to declaring war. :(

I wonder if I will get attacked for having an opinion.

C'est la vie.

titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Well I just tried to edit the post to decline payout but it won't let me change that. So if I could I would edit it to not receive payout. However I can't change that now.

As for the rewards value I never expected this to make more than anything I normally post. So to attack me for receiving rewards that I did not expect nor desire is not fair. Furthermore plenty of people post content about issues on this platform they would like to see resolved and they do not decline payout for their post. So attacking me for receiving rewards for posting this content, seems like your priorities lay more with attacking me than with the people and the issues I am exposing. Why does it matter if I made money from posting this content? Are you jealous or something?

Secondly my reputation on this platform is something I have been building for over a year now. Why would I risk it for a few hundred steem? Doesn't make sense. So that attack is just ad hominem nonsense to distract people away from the information and make them attack me.

before throwing out very serious accusations that could potentially wind you in deep drama. You are a journalist as you say, act like one. Investigate further before publishing your findings.

Excuse me, but what information did I post that was inaccurate? It was Child Porn, the people I said to flag were the ones who either posted it, or upvoted it. What else do I need to do? Need to see it for yourself the screenshots show you the URL.

Before you go lobbing insults at people maybe you should do your research and not just believe some comment.

sammosk (71) · 8 years ago

At no point did I lob an insult. Perhaps you could donate the proceeds of the post to charity that looks after victims of abuse as you obviously feel strongly about this and so do I.

I looked at two of the pictures that you promoted by featuring them on your blog. (which potentially may have driven more to do so as well, but lets not focus on the negatives here). And I saw no evidence of the depicted information I asked about. (Age, Name, Time/Date of photo, Age of model or whatever you wish to call them in that posting).

I exposed myself to content that I do not approve or condone of in order to make that comment I made to you, read through a bunch of back and forths before expressing my opinion.

What investigation did you do before publishing the original post? Aside from what you have published already.

I'm only asking you to be the thing you write on the tin, an investigative journalist. Stand behind your words or your words are meaningless.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Much love. <3
@sammosk

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago (edited)

At no point did I lob an insult.

You are a journalist as you say, act like one.

Okay with that cleared up.

I looked at two of the pictures that you promoted by featuring them on your blog. (which potentially may have driven more to do so as well, but lets not focus on the negatives here).

I intentionally did not show the photos, and I did not link to them to keep traffic from going to them. Which people attacked me for. No matter what I do I get attacked for how I present this info.

Age, Name, Time/Date of photo, Age of model or whatever you wish to call them in that posting

The photos I referenced were obviously under age girls look at the photos. How much more clear does it have to get?

What investigation did I do? Read the article. I posted my findings. There was plenty more I could have posted but didn't.

Perhaps you could donate the proceeds of the post to charity that looks after victims of abuse as you obviously feel strongly about this and so do I.

Yeah sure if you match me, I will send the rewards to a charity, since you care so much, why not double the donation? I have no problem sending the money to a GOOD charity, not something connected to Clinton foundation like NCMEC. If you can point out a good one where the money will be used well then I am all for it. If you won't match me I will probably do it anyways just to prove a point.

It's not about the money I could honestly care less. I am just happy people were made aware of this situation and removed the content as best as possible.

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sammosk (71) · 8 years ago

If you couldn't care less why did you make a point of it re the money? You have no idea about my circumstances and have no right to ask anything from me (re doubling a donation).

All I asked was you stand behind your words of being an investigative journalist and do your due diligence. (Which from what I see in the OP you have not done).

Expressing an opinion that something is what it is does not make it fact. There is this thing called evidence.

I hope you enjoy whatever it is you are doing and good day to you Sir. :)

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

I said that some of the accounts following were doing so to report the account. So that has already been negated, or did you not read?

Users should not be required to make sure there's no objectionable content in someones posting history before they hit follow.
I never said otherwise.

You refer to a paedophile ring in your title. You then show images of the list of followers. Who are the paedophile ring you are referring to? Is it the three users upvoting posts or the long list of followers you display prominently in your post?

If it is the latter, you said yourself that following someone does not make them a supporter of this, so why are you displaying their names in a post labeled "Paedophile Ring Exposed".

If it is the former, can you not see how extreme a stretch it is to say that three accounts upvoting some posts are a "paedophile ring". You are essentially accusing three people of conspiring to spread child porn when at least two of them appear to have basically no connection to the user, who voted on a wide range of posts in that time. For all you know the votes were automated. Or the user was not aware, especially since it seems the majority of these posts do not constitute pornography.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Yes, a pedophile ring, meaning more than one person. If you commit a crime and someone else helps you do it, it's called a conspiracy. If two or more people are spreading child porn then it is a pedo ring by definition. If it was just IamGod I was exposing then I would have titled it, pedophile exposed. Up voting helps spread the images, so anyone up voting this should be held accountable.

You refer to a paedophile ring in your title. You then show images of the list of followers. Who are the paedophile ring you are referring to?

First it's spelled PEDOPHILE.

I clearly define who, the up loader and the three people voting on the specific posts that are child porn. You can disagree that ONE of the images is child porn, but in my opinion an underage girl in a thong marked NSFW is child porn. The images of clearly underage girls showing their nipples is child porn 100%. That is the ring I am exposing,

As for the people following this account, it's called due diligence. I am merely recording who followed @IAmGod, I did not accuse any of those just following him of anything. Please re read the post. I only accused people who VOTED for the SPECIFIC posts that are CHILD PORN, how many times do I have to explain this to you before you get it?

I am going to cover this post in a YouTube video and the responses. So get ready for my 27k thousand audience to see these comments.

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

The correct spelling is paedophile, as in paediatrics, from the late middle english pædophile. The removal of the 'a' is an Americanization.

Yes, a pedophile ring, meaning more than one person. If you commit a crime and someone else helps you do it, it's called a conspiracy. If two or more people are spreading child porn then it is a pedo ring by definition. If it was just IamGod I was exposing then I would have titled it, pedophile exposed. Up voting helps spread the images, so anyone up voting this should be held accountable.

If you seriously believed that you uncovered a crime, you should have first contacted the authorities. Then they could have dismissed your case as lacking in substance and we could all move on with our lives.

As for the people following this account, it's called due diligence. I am merely recording who followed @IAmGod, I did not accuse any of those just following him of anything. Please re read the post. I only accused people who VOTED for the SPECIFIC posts that are CHILD PORN, how many times do I have to explain this to you before you get it?

Maybe you should be more careful yourself and not post lists of usernames in images in a post declaring to be "exposing a paedophilia ring".

I am going to cover this post in a YouTube video and the responses. So get ready for my 27k thousand audience to see these comments.

Great. I'm sure you'll implore them to calmly review the evidence and not rush to conclusions, given the seriousness of the accusation. Or maybe not.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

If you seriously believed that you uncovered a crime, you should have first contacted the authorities. Then they could have dismissed your case as lacking in substance and we could all move on with our lives.

Yes, I would have done that if I knew where @IAmGod lived, I would have called the local Police Department and gone over on the phone with them the evidence I found. As I cannot do that, I have no idea where that person lives, I wrote a blog about it to expose it and try to get the material removed from Steemit.

This poses a serious threat to Steemit itself. If we cannot remove content that is uploaded, and people upload disgusting illegal content, how do we remove it if it cannot be censored? Who is held responsible for the content? Some would argue like they have with Backpage, that steemit is responsible and as people like you and I hold a lot of SP power that may make us responsible as owners of the platform. This is a bigger problem than just this one poster and his upvoters, this could become a serious issue on this platform very easily.

Maybe you should be more careful yourself and not post lists of usernames in images in a post declaring to be "exposing a paedophilia ring".

How much more careful should I be? I stated directly after the images of the followers that not everyone of them is some evil pedo, some are following the account to expose it. I could not have been more clear in the article. Stop looking for some justification for you calling this a "witch hunt" which it is not.

demotruk (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

You don't need to know where someone lives to report an incident to the police....

How much more careful should I be? I stated directly after the images of the followers that not everyone of them is some evil pedo, some are following the account to expose it. I could not have been more clear in the article. Stop looking for some justification for you calling this a "witch hunt" which it is not.

You could have been a hell of a lot more careful. You've already implored witch hunts against specific users, and you prominently highlighted lists of followers in the same post, which implores less thorough readers to assume that they are also part of the "paedophile ring" which you claim to be exposing.

You are happy to destroy some user's reputation on thin evidence and a poor understanding of what constitutes a crime.

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theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago

I can't believe that you are protecting @Iamgod instead of condemning his behavior using such flimsy reasoning.
If @titusfrost attacked you as one of the followers, the easiest thing to do is to unfollow that pedophile and state that you don't support him. Anyone on the follower list could have done that and be done with it in a flash.
Instead, you @demotruk and @edb1984 are attacking someone who is trying to make us aware of what's going on. I wonder why?
Thank you for sharing your opinion, but it is up to everyone reading this post to understand what they want and we certainly don't need you to explain what pedophilia mean or the fact that you think that these images are not wrong. We can reach these conclusions or otherwise by ourselves, depending on which perspective we fall under. Pedo okay! or Pedo nay-nay!
This is ridiculous!

titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Assumptions lead to your bullshit. Not mine. You are assuming quite a lot about me.

You don't need to know where someone lives to report an incident to the police....

Yeah you do. If I file a report with my local Police department and @IAmGod lives in Europe or outside the US, it is not going to do me any good to report it.

You could have been a hell of a lot more careful. You've already implored witch hunts against specific users, and you prominently highlighted lists of followers in the same post, which implores less thorough readers to assume that they are also part of the "paedophile ring" which you claim to be exposing.

No where did I implore a "witch hunt" I asked people to flag @IAmGod, and the people that up voted the SPECIFIC posts that were Child Porn. That is not a witch hunt that is calling out FOUR accounts for their ACTIONS. I never told anyone to go after the follower's accounts, I merely took screen shots of them for further investigation that is all.

I cannot help if people make wrongful assumptions like yourself. Assumptions is not something I am in the game of doing.

You can keep saying "You have no evidence" but you are wrong, I screen captured the evidence.

You are happy to destroy some user's reputation on thin evidence and a poor understanding of what constitutes a crime.

No I am not. Once again you are assuming I like to do this kinda thing. I don't, I find it disgusting and it leaves me with a heavy heart.

Seeing your response to this attacking me instead of attacking @IamGod or the people up voting Child Porn, makes me assume a lot of things about you, but I am not going to write them out as that is unfair. You can go ahead and attack me all you want. You can use your significantly larger SP power to flag my post exposing pedophiles.

My only response is to keep telling people the truth and let them make up their own minds based on the EVIDENCE which is something you seem to ignore and would rather go with assumptions about me, and attack me with ad hominem.

I am done responding to you. My next response is going to be a video where I go through these comments left by you and others, and I will respond to any more comments you make in that video. Hope you enjoy.

Maybe you should stick to writing posts about how you used your STEEM earnings to buy a piece of shit car that can barely drive over 100 miles. Oh wait you already did.

jenkinrocket (64) · 8 years ago (edited)

Sorry to split hairs, demo, I do agree with most of what you're saying. But I have to say that your claim on the Americanization of pedophile is an incorrect assertion.

The truth is, BOTH spellings are correct. Just as your spelling of paedophile is a modernization of the old spelling, so is pedophile, which is in common use in the States and officially listed in the dictionary, a further modernization.

Seems like a frivolous point in light of the subject, but nevertheless....

Also, I think this conversation has taken a wrong direction.

The account in question has been voted into oblivion and will probably soon give up altogether (I mean, they just started it this month)... This will soon be a dead account whose posts are utterly buried.

Really there's nothing to stop this person from starting a new account and doing it all over again, even if this one is removed. So forceful removal won't work. No, just let it die (or consult the authorities). Those are the only real options.

demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

Although there are 4 accounts in question. Some number between 0 and 4 are guilty paedophiles. Some number between 0 and 4 are innocent. All 4 have had their reputations destroyed.

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jenkinrocket (64) · 8 years ago (edited)

Hmm... I don't agree with everything ed has said, but he does make a couple of good points and there are a few problems with your post:

Implying I wrote this article merely for Steemit Rewards is borderline libel. I do not do what I do for money. Sorry but I don't, I have covered that many times in the past.

Sorry, but I think there's a real issue with you taking rewards from this post. If it really is based on a desire to see an error corrected... you should have selected not to receive payment. You didn't. This creates a real problem seeing as I myself have no desire to check a large sample of the photos to be sure (and I think many users will feel the same).

I think we can all agree that child pornography is disgusting and reprehensible in every way. But, he does make a point when he says that you need substantial proof that the girls are underage and the pictures are pornographic.

If it's porn, they should be flagged into oblivion as far as I'm concerned. But is this person a real threat, or even successfully propagating this material within the platform? The guy has about 40 followers, and has so little rep that his posts are barely visible on the platform.

I think we should trust the strength of the platform and community in this case. After all, as you should well know, there's no way to remove this person without significantly changing the platform - and then we run into the same troubles as other platforms such as facebook, since we all know this person will hardly be the only offender.

As the platform grows, we can look forward to seeing dramatically racist, sexist, etc. posts - and I bet those groups will actually have more support than this one, which we as a society reject totally.

If this person is really sharing the material you claim, then forget Ned and Dan - the proper move is to consult the authorities and hand over any evidence that will help them in their pursuit and wish them godspeed.

In other words, this is NOT a Steemit problem, despite appearances.

Also I want to make it clear that I'm not attacking you. While you have benefited from this post, it's clear that you are concerned and want to do something about this.

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elizabethmurray (45) · 8 years ago

Hes not taking any rewards people are giving them ,i think he should treat himself for the support he got on this post and bringing it to the public's attention,he's certainly got my vote and share ,we can do without immoral perversed people in this world.There just not normal.

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cryptophunk (44) · 8 years ago

This looks like some hardcore shilling on behalf of pedos. Maybe edb is a paid shill

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

This is a post that led to various members of the community being attacked as "guilty by association".

Shame on the accuser!

Here is the "🔥🔥🔥 Helping Daddy With Dinner 🔥🔥🔥" photo

I won't be trusting anything from sensational @titusfrost again.

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fuchsia.ink (40) · 8 years ago (edited)

Just curious.. why have you chosen to display this particular picture. Why not highlight the pictures in this post: https://steemit.com/nsfw/@iamgod/beautiful-metart-girl-jasmina? Or is that too, okay according to you and fit for Steemit?

This may or may not be considered a paedophile ring, but is that really the question here? Under any definition, a girl exposing her vagina and posing for the camera, with or without her consent, whatever be her age, is PORNOGRAPHY. And porn should have no place on any social network.

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

If you want to get rid of all porn, you can have that debate. Accusing people of being part of a paedophile ring shouldn't be part of that...

fuchsia.ink (40) · 8 years ago

There is no scope for a debate on this issue. Steemit is open to anyone over 13 years of age and having porn circulating, when a minor can easily access it, is blatantly wrong.

And stop getting stuck on a word , "peadophile ring" ... those images maybe of adult girls, but they are intentionally made to appear young, with the sole purpose of attracting those who like child porn. The question here is not, if this a peadofile ring. It should simply be, is the content that was uploaded acceptable? Is it ok for a 13 year old to stumble upon it?

Freedom of speech and expression, is great, as long as it doesn't offend someone else's sentiments. Make a private group of something, if you wish to trade sexually explicit content, but to protect minors on this platform, we need to put a stop on obscene, objectionable ,content.

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

There's going to be lots of porn on this platform. Hope it doesn't bother you too much.

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fuchsia.ink (40) · 8 years ago

There is always going to be lots of crime in the world, by your reasoning it shouldn't bother one too much. Everyone should just accept it as a flaw in humanity and do nothing about it. No?

All those who are actively trying to do something about spam on this platform, should stop. I mean it shouldn't bother one too much. Right?

I don't agree and praise those who at least try and do something about these issues.

Just because people will post porn, doesn't mean that it is ok and no one should do anything about it.

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

My reasoning was not included in the post. My reasoning is that the anti-porn view is a minority position with little power on the platform compared to the anti-censorship position.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

You mean the one where @steemcleaners found the original source on an ADULT porn site?

The girl is young, but could easily be over 18.

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theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago

Why are you advertising these pictures now? This girl could be easily under 18 as well.
Not sure how is this going to prove your point that these pictures are considered okay.
please refrain from advertising such contents. This is clearly to test the waters and see if there are people approving of these things, using tantalizing pictures of maybe 18 maybe not. This could easily accelerate rapidly to becoming child porn site if gained enough support. Beside the guy is plagiarizing all his contents as I understood. This is something frowned upon in steemit.
I just cant understand what you were thinking posting these pictures here!!

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago (edited)

I'm not proving she's over 18. I'm arguing that these accusations are incredibly harmful, and @titusfrost should be careful that he doesn't get sued for slander. The people he has accused have had their reputation ruined. That means money lost due to accusations that have no proof! The @iamgod guy probably is a paedophile, based on his crude comments on the clothed girls, but we're talking about young clothed girls out in public sitting in a park or just wearing hot pants. That is not porn! That's just a pervert! And an upvote doesn't signify agreement.

This is clearly to test the waters and see if there are people approving of these things

Are you accusing me here of being affiliated with this?

You think I'm endorsing and "testing the waters" for child porn???

I am not defending @iamgod. I would downvote him myself simply for being perverted in his remarks on the women. I am defending the others who are accused by association of being paedophiles! And to do so, I want people to see the innocence of what they actually upvoted, because I believe most people are assuming the worst and are too afraid to actually look at the posts.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

You forgot I mentioned that most of @IamGod's content is stolen copyright material from adult porn sites, I said that right in the article and the Met Art post you linked to was never mentioned in my post because it was of an adult. Now the two posts of girls underage CLEARLY showing their nipples is Child Porn. Furthermore the girl in the thong post looks about 14 to me. Which would make that child porn as well.

Then there is the borderline posts, but with comments like "pedo bear seal of approval" see:

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theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago

Thank you for your reply.
I was not accusing you of anything in my remark. What I meant by that remark "This is clearly to test the waters and see if there are people approving of these things" is that @iamgod is testing the waters to see if there will be people interested in what he offers. However, I certainly didn't appreciate you putting pictures I didn't chose to see. f I wanted, I would have done it without being forced to see it shoved into my face.

If you think "The @iamgod guy probably is a paedophile, based on his crude comments on the clothed girls, but we're talking about young clothed girls out in public sitting in a park or just wearing hot pants. That is not porn! That's just a pervert! And an upvote doesn't signify agreement."
if he could possibly be a pedophile and certainly a pervert, then this is the more reason to be aware of his actions and flag him out of steemit as you indicated.

As for the possibly innocent people that upvoted and got involved in the accusation. I said in my replies before and I will say it again. I invite them to build trust with steemians and build their reputation again. They will be supported if people find they are sincere.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Yes, I agree with the flagging. It is the "guilty by association" post I am disputing should not have been endorsed. They didn't get involved voluntarily as far as we know. Their upvotes could be automated as said by others and labelling these things as "child porn" makes people scared to look, which means who was to know that the "helping daddy with dinner" post was actually a grown woman!

Why do you believe somebody accused of such slander should have to rebuild trust that they should not have lost in the first place had it not for being misled by this sensationalised post!? It is @titusfrost's responsibility to issue an apology to his followers and admit that he exaggerated the nature of these posts. He is responsible for the witchhunt.

It is his responsibility to call off his dogs!

titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Good job you found one of many of these:

While most of IamGod's content is copyrighted material stolen from pornography sites of adult porn.

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elizabethmurray (45) · 8 years ago

she looks 12-13

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

She's actually a cover girl for MET-ART
http://met-art.adultimages.org/met-art-jasmina-presenting/
Unlikely that they would be publishing underage girls

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fuchsia.ink (40) · 8 years ago

The last few pictures of this post were disgusting. And looking under 18 or young, is generally preferred to satisfy those who enjoy child porn. So even if she is technically 18, it still doesn't change the fact that she looks like a young teen, and these pictures will attract those who get aroused looking at young naked girls (not adult women)

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

That's funny you are not posting the other two posts I marked which are child porn.

Fine bye. See ya.

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Dude are you fucking kidding me!

Those images show clearly under age girls nipples clear as day, that is fucking child porn you disgusting fuck.

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

So call the police.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

I can easily find photos like this on facebook, and even they have an irrational no nipples policy. Just because you see a nipple doesn't make it porn.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago (edited)

Pornography: printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs.
A sex organ [...] is any anatomical part of the body in a complex organism that is involved in sexual reproduction and together constitute the reproductive system. The external and visible organs, in males and females, are the primary sex organs known as the genitals or genitalia.

Genitalia and sexual activity with children was what I was too afraid to see in those posts. That would suggest serious child abuse! Not a nipple we can see on any man on a hot day or woman at the beach!

What you implied with this post were serious accusations that led to a witch hunt. I'm sure I'm not the only person who feared the worst after reading this post!

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Cherry picking to suit your argument.

printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement

Thanks for proving my point.

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

Where is the explicit description? Where is the sexual activity?

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

What sexual organs or activity is shown in the photos??? Note that nipples are not genitalia.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

This is a post that led to various members of the community being attacked as "guilty by association".

For one this is complete libel, you are referencing one person, not "various members".

The One person you are referencing, up voted on a post of that girl that looks about 14 years old standing in a thong. I stated the evidence against him clearly above, I showed people the post, and I did not include the picture of the girl I believe is under age. For you to re post that content without knowing the age of the girl, is despicable. Just leave the link if you must.

Furthermore the account @IAmGod was the main object of the story and thus the shame should be on them not me. Seriously shame on the accuser? GTFO of here.

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

looks about 14 years old

What basis do you have for this?

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ash (73) · 8 years ago

if you check the first nsfw post of that account, there's even a comment from @steemcleaners citing plagiarism and original source. now, would a pedophile ring SEO optimize their content to be found?

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dickturpin (59) · 8 years ago

While I fully accept your reasoning, in the UK you could potentially be accused of being part of a 'ring' by virtue of your follow. I would suspect the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) would see your upvote as an indication of participation in that group even if the upvote was for a benign post. I've just had a quick read through the "Joint Enterprise" law (Section 48) https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/assets/uploads/files/Joint_Enterprise.pdf which deals with social media specifically, Facebook gets a mention. While it talks about violence and robbery it repeatedly states "Crime" and child porn is a crime. I'm no lawyer but I suspect anyone associated with those accounts might come under a spotlight somewhere down the line.

It's great that people make the community or at the very least the moderators aware of this kind of thing, my only worry is there are idiots out there who will go and have a look if only to see what all the fuss is about.

edb1984 (49) · 8 years ago (edited)

Did you ignore the rest of my post?
Or are you just being technical?

You're wrong of course otherwise being subscribed to a youtube channel or following someone on Twitter would also implicate you in the same way. There's no way they would take that argument seriously. I see you didn't think that Steemit holds an even greater potential legal responsibility and not to mention all the bots set up to send upvotes for SBD you could claim are funding them. They aren't implicated but potentially numerous bot driven upvotes and followers have been and which you've argued could be technically justified when such "direct" funding and hosting is objectively far more serious. You can't defend the idea that they can be said to be a "ring" without implicating Steemit and the whale vote bots even more.

And if you want to get technical, as I said, the image was not actually child porn. It wasn't even porn, and it's absolutely NOT clear the girl is under 18 anyway. What was nsfw about it? The headline.

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dickturpin (59) · 8 years ago

Umm? I think PC Plod would disagree with your "You're wrong of course" any self-respecting rozzer will use communications with criminals as evidence of complicity. Ignorance is no defence in the UK and many European countries too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat so saying "We'll yeah, detective. I follow them but I'm not involved in any of that stuff." possibly won't be believed.

I've read what I suspect is your second paragraph starting "I see you didn't think that Steemit holds an even greater potential legal ".... three times now and I still have no idea what you're talking about.

TBH. I don't care. I've not looked at the accounts, I have no intention of looking at the accounts. I'm not sure why, but you seem to be coming across as aggressive IMO so I'll leave you to it.

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nonnewtonian (44) · 8 years ago

The thing is @dickturpin - someone on a site like steemit, doesn't even need to click on the article to upvote it. Not only that, even if they had clicked the article, seen the photo - who is to say that they believed the photo was of an underage person. The photo in question looks like someone who could be of age. A third argument I would like to make is that on a site like steemit, I personally would never imagine someone posting child pornography. This is not that type of site, and people are not stupid enough to post such harmful things on the internet, where they can be linked to their account. Someone who enjoys posts of nudity, could have upvoted the article, with the assumption that content posted on steemit is safe and legal.

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dickturpin (59) · 8 years ago

This is why people should not just blanket upvote. They should give their voting some thought before clicking on the button. Most sensible people read a document before signing it, upvoting is no different IMO. :-)

Do you honestly think paedophiles care about what social media platforms think is acceptable? Given they are aware their activities are illegal they will always use a service until they are closed down.

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nonnewtonian (44) · 8 years ago

Upvoting an signing are completely different things - Thats not my opinion that's just a fact.

And yes, I absolutely do think pedophiles care what media platforms they use, given how it is highly illegal and they most likely will be investigated by a body of authority and a legal case will be started against them. Pedophiles post their content through the black web, with VPN software that will help mask their identity.

Not to mention this platform is completely based on creating content, gathering a following, and maybe making some money. Nobody in the right mind would jeopardize their blogs that they have arguably put some effort into for a simple upvote.
Why would they upvote? They could secretly like it without upvoting if they were indeed pedophiles and then nobody would know that they liked it, and they wouldn't be getting shit on because someone wanted to make a fluff piece shock article to make some cheap money off the irrational and emotional responses to this.

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dickturpin (59) · 8 years ago

I thought the point of voting was an endorsement of the work produced? Upvoting is no different to the 'Like' button on Facebook. If anything it's potentially worse as there can be a financial reward attached to your vote if you so choose. You're basically saying "I like your work so much I want to give you some money."

Most of these pedo's use social media platforms for pretty much the same reason as you and me. To make new contacts and exchange everything from ideas, viewpoints, story's and of course images. A lot of these individuals are pretty computer savvy. I've already seen some people on Steemit have been 'outed' for creating fake accounts by using friends and aquintances photos as proof of reality. It would be trivial for some low-life to create an account that was potentially untraceable.

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mavva (35) · 8 years ago

Just what I was about to say. I'll write another answer to first post.

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kimmydee2 (46) · 8 years ago

I have to agree! Freedom from the matrix does not give anyone permission to live without a good conscious. Anarchy does not make it okay to exploit. We have to self-govern and make sure we are still protecting children, protecting each other, and having some type of moral and un-harmful convictions. Many will see and think that decentralizing life means ways around what is right/wrong. Yes, the post could have been written less accusingly, but the titles kind of spoke for themselves, they were trying to attract pedophiles or people who view underage kids in a sexual way. I don't care if the pics were pornographic or not, it is what it is and certain things do NOT need to be picked apart. I believe if authorities saw those posts, a house would be raided asap......we are not the judges here. But, I like the saying "if it walks like a duck" ........

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nonnewtonian (44) · 8 years ago (edited)

Well thought out an level headed comment. You have a point. Hopefully more people read this. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to reflect on my stance with rational insight.

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edb1984 (49) · 8 years ago (edited)

Thanks. I was all ready to take it at face value but something about the claim that it was a "child sex ring" made me go and check to see just how bad it was. After all it would be unlikely I figured that those known for their secrecy would choose to make an ultra open and public platform like Steemit their home and use very busy public tags at that. It actually took me a number of posts to find some potentially problematic images as initially all I clicked on was obviously regular porn.

The mother in the linked post saying they'd just seen this child porn really got me suspicious since they said they don't want their 14 year old son seeing it.... which doesn't make the least bit of sense to say unless the images in question were of a substantially more serious nature. It does on the other hand make sense to say for a sensitive sheltered conservative mother that will quickly call almost everything "child porn" even if it's perfectly legal and is outraged at finding porn itself being on steemit that their 14 year old son might find. (could it be that she saw it because it had the photography tag?)

The cited image was hardly the sort you'd worry about 14 year old boys looking at. In fact the images for the most part aren't even the problem, it's what they imply that's the problem. If a photograph or video is only sexual by someone putting in that context, then it's not the photo or video that's sexual. In other words, if you take pictures of your newborn baby that's not child porn even if they're naked.

The photo claimed to be "proof" is technically NOT EVEN PORN much less child porn.

Someone with lots of creepy NON-pornographic pictures of underage teens and children may POINT to a crime. They can potentially aid an investigation and gain authorisation for further action, but the photo itself doesn't suddenly become child porn because someone gets off on them. You aren't looking at child porn if someone grabs a school photo you also own and posts about how the girl has nice tits or something.

To me this thread was either caused by an attitude of anti-porn "won't someone think of the children!!", or it's someone trying to get that sweet steem dollar by seeing an opportunity to capitalise on outrage and accuse a lot of people of a very serious thing

Neither options are good for different reasons. :/

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago

edb1984 - thank you for your comment!! I truly feel bullied right now and attacked because I really am not interested in child pornography and never was. The upvote on that image was simply because I didn't assume that this was child pornography as it didn't look like it... :(

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nonnewtonian (44) · 8 years ago

It is unfortunate that people are so quick to grab their pitchforks. We are after all, very emotional creatures and sometimes the emotions can let us act without proper perspective and foresight.
I am also very glad @edb1984 posted this, so that more people can be exposed to the notion, that most of the upvotes do not come from the enjoyment of the content that is of concern, but of innocent quick votes that come from people who are just casually browsing, or followers of the person in question.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

He was wrong, I just responded to his bs.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

@TheRealWolf You up-voted Child Pornography period. You are not being bullied you should not be using Steemit to up vote Child Pornography. That image "Helping Daddy with Dinner" was of a clearly underage girl who was in a thong.

I mean what did you think it was you sick fuck? Get the fuck off my blog and get the fuck into therapy. People like you make me sick.

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago

And again - the explicit picture I upvoted was not child porn. It was an image with a caption. What a hypocrite are you to tell me that I need therapy? You're an asshole and a bully.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

It was child porn you sick fuck.

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago

Nope. It was not.

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https://steemit.com/photography/@iamgod/helping-daddy-with-dinner

demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

This is the picture @titusfrost is referring to.

Anyone can judge for themselves. (It's not child porn, feel free to click).

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

That is not child porn? It is a picture of an underage girl in a thong marked NSFW. Just as I said it was.

Please elaborate on how an underage girl posing in a thong marked NSFW is not what I said it was?

Do you think it is acceptable to post images of underage girls in lingerie? If that was your daughter would you find the spreading of that material acceptable? I hope not.

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jamesbrown (62) · 8 years ago

It seems to me that you're alone in thinking that the picture linked to in this thread of comments is what you claim it is. I looked at it and I have to agree that there's absolutely no way to know whether she's "under-aged" or not.

She could easily be 18 or 19 years old. How, in your right mind, can you feel justified in vilifying a person, completely ruining his reputation, on the basis of unreasonably assuming that the girl in this photo is younger than 18?

Can you at least explain for us how you're so sure that she's under-aged? I mean, you can't even see her face.

demotruk (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

You do not have conclusive evidence that the girl is underage. She could easily be 18 or older.
She is not nude, the image itself is not sexualized at all, merely the title and tag creates sexual context. This is not sufficient to be deemed pornography.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

She doesn't even look underage. I wouldn't even call that porn! It's a grown womans bum, not in any way erotic!

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nonnewtonian (44) · 8 years ago (edited)

Yes you definitely make valid arguments. Accusing someone of being in a child sex ring is a very serious thing. I believe the best course of action is to flag content that you believe to be harmful - In this case, the content believed to be "child porn" and to let the proper channels take care of the issue.
That being said, the page in question did have several photos of what seemed to be underage voyeurism. Something I find to be unacceptable.
It seems like everyone is posting valid concerns and can learn from what each other has to say through a logical and tamed discourse.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

I think this post is more harmful than the perverted posts by @iamgod. I agree with you his posts are unacceptable just because of the comments which do seem to endorse paedophilia. Still, a post accusing anybody who upvoted or followed as being potentially part of some "ring". I fucking hate sensationism. This post has freaked people unnecessarily.

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nonnewtonian (44) · 8 years ago

Not only has it freaked people unnecessarily, it has created victims that most likely had no bad intentions. Nobody is judge jury and executioner. You see people spamming their page and telling them to get therapy because they are endorsing "child pornography". This is actually insane.
Are they a body of authority who has the right to make such accusations?
Their thorough investigation of seeing who upvoted is somehow enough to accuse them of being part of a "child sex ring". ?
And they are somehow in a position to recommend they seek mental help now too?
These are serious accusations with serious implications. Sensationalism for the sake of one's own profit, or adhering to the script of their personal agenda is disgusting.

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edb1984 (49) · 8 years ago (edited)

That being said, the page in question did have several photos of what seemed to be underage voyeurism. Something I find to be unacceptable.

Absolutely, I pointed that out. The OP I suspect didn't even bother to look further than that one image before he cracked his knuckles and typed out a tabloid shock piece. Otherwise he wouldn't have claimed the "proof" to be something which absolutely wouldn't be if that is all it was. That's what's so frustrating, something real hijacked by someone who seems as if they saw $$$ raining down from heaven with the opportunity that he could post about "exposing" a "child sex ring".

What's even more unconscionable is that in order to support this "child sex ring" he implicated all the followers and it seems people have just assumed they're all pedos as if they've forgotten how Steemit works. It just shows how easily manipulated people are if they accept someones initial premise.

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nonnewtonian (44) · 8 years ago

Thats why we're all sheep... tug at a heart string, or better yet at a fear and all of a sudden you control the masses. What a shame.
Clearly this guy's is doing it for some easy bucks - He won't back down even if he realizes he was being irrational.

theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago

No matter how irrational you think the accusations are, the way I see it is a call for solidarity against something that we like-minded-people who find child porn (or even porn on Steemit platform) is offending.
If you don't agree with that, then thats your business. That doesnt mean you can call the rest of us sheep or wrong just because we believe otherwise.

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nonnewtonian (44) · 8 years ago

Perhaps I could have chosen my words more carefully. However I didn't exclude myself from the sheep comment.
I am just trying to say, that people need to go over their response in a rational matter before they act.
Publicly accusing someone of being involved in child pornography is a very serious matter and it is a matter for an authoritative body. Not one blogger starting a sensationalist witch Hunt.
Furthermore, accusing the people who follow them, and the people who upvoted the post of the same thing is even worse.
There is no evidence asides from personal judgement that the person in question is under age.
There is no evidence that the people who upvoted even saw the post.
There is also the question of why?
These people all made blogs in hopes of providing content that allows them to be profitable. Why on gods little green earth would they publicly endorse this content? They are very much aware that their name becomes linked to this content by upvoting. The motive here is just not there.

Anyways, I just hope people realize how serious some of their actions are, before allowing an emotional response to guide their behavior without taking a moment to think rationally.

beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Nice work edb1984. I'm sure many of the flaggers were afraid to actually check what they were flagging (not that it wasn't worth flagging - it is perverted enough to be flagged). I was afraid to look but all I saw was a girl whose age is questionable but could easily be 18+ photographed nude, then a bunch of clothed girls with perverted comments on their appearances.

Not even porn.

With some you can see nipples through the shirt but that's something anybody can see at the beach on children of all ages. Why criminalise people who happened to be on the beach?!

Personally I don't even call naked pictures porn. Whether something is considered erotic or not is subjective but we don't use that word to describe the sculptures of Ancient Greece.

The guy posting does seem to be endorsing paedophilia with his crude comments, whether he be a paedophile or not. (Most of his posts are pornographic with consenting adults) So we can say there is an issue that somebody would be so shameless, but really it's not our problem and it's not a paedophile ring. I would question the people who leaked these photos onto the internet, but that's because I'm old fashioned and still hate the facebook nature of the world where people freely post pictures of their children nowadays and their friends without prior permission. Pornographic or not, I still resent that norm.

This post was pure sensationalism and I've flagged for overpaying a post of radical accusational nature. Thank you edb1984 for disclosing this. I was genuinely afraid to look for fear of seeing a child being raped!

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whatsup (75) · 8 years ago

What moderators?

ash (73) · 8 years ago

steemit, inc could delete & blacklist accounts from showing on their website

whatsup (75) · 8 years ago

Perhaps they could, but so far they have not acted in any way like moderators, and if they did, I would guess a lot of people wouldn't appreciate that.

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fuchsia.ink (40) · 8 years ago

"Child porn ring" may be an exaggeration, but it is not unwarranted. Without such a title, it was very much possible for this post to have gotten lost like the million others uploaded everyday. Naked images posted for sheer shock value, is PORN. Whether it's child porn, or adult porn, it should have no place on Steemit. There are enough platforms to satisfy ones urge to jerk off, and everyone is more than welcome to see it, but in PRIVATE. It should have no place on a social platform.

Secondly, this post is simply asking other likeminded people to help prevent Steemit from turning into another porn site. You don't agree, that's perfectly acceptable, don't do anything about it. No one is asking anyone to blindly convict someone, it merely expresses the authors opinion and her suggestion to rectify something that offended her.

So read, assimilate and then take your action. I saw the posts in question, and I feel they are offensive, so they need to be flagged. I am not flagging followers, for punishing anyone other than the wrong doer is equally wrong. But, as offended as I was with the naked pictures, I was equally offended by @wix 's comment of calling it sexy. So yes, I flagged that as well.

Lastly, today what you are calling "not even child porn" and or just some "topless" pictures, are how it will start. Accept this today, and soon we will have our feeds flooded with pornographic spam. And I personally, am not ok watching crap like this, on Steemit.

titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Child porn ring

More than 1 person involved. I exposed a poster and three voters. That would make four accounts thus a ring.

Whether it's child porn, or adult porn

It is child porn, it is underage girls showing their nipples, and an underage girl in thong in a post marked nsfw. Never mind the countless other posts I did not mention of girls camel toe shots who are well under 18 including a famous under 18 year old tennis player. It is child porn.

today what you are calling "not even child porn" and or just some "topless" pictures

Topless photos of underage girls is the definition of child porn.

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago

Oh you "exposed" someone - what the actual fuck? How often do I need to tell that the picture I "upvoted" was not child porn. The other pictures are not ok - BUT I DIDN'T FUCKING VOTE FOR THEM. How often do I need to tell you this so you understand.

Oh and I don't fucking know what other pictures he uploaded - I only checked one or two other after you accused me of pedophilia. Again - I stumbled upon it and thought it was an adult young woman 18-20 y/o with a caption. You find this shit everywhere on tumblr.

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

More than 1 person involved. I exposed a poster and three voters. That would make four accounts thus a ring.

Do you know what people think when you say "Paedophile Ring"? It's not "three people may have innocently or maybe knowingly upvoted some ambiguous potentially sexualized images of older teens".

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theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago (edited)

Totally agree. Thats how it all start. accept it near the boundaries first, then it explodes out of control.
Also @therealwolf, if you found other unacceptable pictures in the same blog, wouldn't it be better not to upvote at all? There are plenty of posts that deserves your upvote on steemit. These posts get forgotten or ignored because they have nothing that catches your eyes. Yet, here you are upvoting a picture that sits among many "unacceptable others as you call it", and now you are complaining that you were accused of supporting child porn.
The way I see it that, even if @titusfrost didn't bring your name as an accomplice, someone else eventually will flag you one way or another and it could have become worse.
I say, you should be thankful to @titusfrost for bringing up the subject now so you can have a chance to unvote, unfollow and defend yourself here, with people that maybe willing to listen to you now. However, using insults and attacks will not get you anywhere. Neither appealing to people think that something close-but-not-yet-enough-to be-child-porn is okay will help.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Who says he found the other pictures?? That's a baseless assumption. Not everybody checks a bloggers previous posts before upvoting.

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theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago

I copied this from one of @therealwolf replies:
(Oh you "exposed" someone - what the actual fuck? How often do I need to tell that the picture I "upvoted" was not child porn. The other pictures are not ok - BUT I DIDN'T FUCKING VOTE FOR THEM. How often do I need to tell you this so you understand.)

He says here that the other pictures are not ok but he didn't vote for them.

I am not accusing him of pedophilia or anything. All I am saying is that he made a choice to vote something while he knew other contents were not ok. For all I know, he could have veered off that blog altogether without voting anything. Upvoting some of the contents will only give @iamgod more incentive to post more. No?

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

He probably checked that after he was accused of being a paedophile! If you read his post asking for mercy from the accusers and self acclaimed jury, you would see in his comments he says he did not see those posts.

Downvoting was the right thing to do to discourage @iamgod. That doesn't mean those who upvoted should be sentenced by association. I believe in innocence until proven guilty. There is evidence against @iamgod, but upvotes are not evidence of anything. They could have been questioned in private for their upvotes, but instead they were publicly slandered, shamed and potentially shunned if they have lost followers. I know if I was accused of something like that just for a careless upvote I would be mentally distraught right now as @therealwolf is. It can be traumatising to lose your reputation to something so shameful especially when innocent!

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theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago

I absolutely agree with you on the latter part. That would be a horrible experience to live through.

I can ask @titusfrost to accept and upvote @therealwolf, that doesn't mean it will be done since I have no power over him or anyone else. And even if @titusfrost did honor my request, that doesn't mean other steemians will trust @therealwolf without him actually working to gain that trust back.

I think that, despite whether you believe that what @titusfrost did was right or wrong, attacking him or flagging him will not solve the issue. It will only make him and others who believe in him to stand stronger with him in his stance. This will only cause separation and hatred. I say this because, if I let my emotions rule over me now, I would distrust all those saying that those pictures are not child porn. Because I honestly see them as such. I abhor pedophilia and I was angry that some pictures which I didn't want to see were posted on the comment section to force me to see them.
I emphasize, this is only if I let my emotions rule over me. But I am trying to think from your perspective or @therealwolf perspective to be more precise. I certainly wouldn't want to be in his place. That is why I am trying not to take a too strong stance against him and I want to giv him and other upvoters the benefit of the doubt. Hence, I still suggest @therealwolf to work on building his reputation again with the others that are willing to accept him, such as yourself. I am also happy to help his reputation grow by upvoting him if he posts quality contents.

Something has to be done here to solve the issue. Attacking each other is not the solution anymore. An apology from @titusfrost for using strong words against the voters may be needed. But also an apology from those attacking @titusfrost will be needed as well. Finally, an apology from @therealwolf for making wrong voting decision and a lesson learned to upvote quality content in the future will show his sincerity to everyone.

This is just a suggestion!

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

I didn't flag as any kind of attack. I disagree with the rewards on the post. I don't think posts accusing people of being paedophiles should be paid for even if it's true. It only encourages people to accuse people of ludicrous things to bring attention to their profiles and get paid despite the damage they cause to the people involved.

I don't expect titusfrost to apologise. Righteous people are stubborn. And since I have not posted anything slanderous or personal against him I don't know what we would be apologising for. None of us posted to our followers calling for people to flag. We acted independently to ensure that anybody reading this post can see by the comments that all is not as it seems.

I disagree that @therealwolf owes anybody an apology. He has already expressed it was a misunderstanding. Nobody should have to apologise for upvoting porn. All it was was a little bit of bum. I wouldn't even call that NSFW.

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theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago

Users should not be required to make sure there's no objectionable content in someones posting history before they hit follow.

No, I honestly think that users should be vigilant to know who they are following or at least if they know they are following someone shady, then they should do something about it.

there was one exception which was one of a topless girl which cannot be argued reasonably looks over 18. The ages of the others ranged from uncertain to really pushing credulity. Mixed with that are a number of posts of young legal professional photos.

Being uncertain about the criteria of those girls used in these pictures is not a valid reason to defend the contents. It is actually more of a reason to be vigilant and block such contents to prevent further distribution and further encouragement. If today they are posting pictures of girls that are in the limit of being teenage or legal age for porn, next they will push the limits further and further. Makeup tend to make kids look older than they are. And anyway, I sure hope he will not start posting porn pictures of 10 years old or younger just to convince you that they are posting pedophile porn.

I think that instead of attacking @titusfrost the person who is trying to make us aware of this situation, we should support each other against such posts and warn those in the follower list, in case they don't know about the contents.

Pedophilia should never be taken lightly.

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jockey (67) · 8 years ago

Thank you for making a very valid point! Upvoted and followed! =)

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https://steemit.com/steemit/@therealwolf/i-feel-humiliated-and-bullied

therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago (edited)

I've written a short post about this whole situation. I feel bullied and humiliated. My plead to you is to give me a chance explaining myself, because I really really really don't like pedophilia and this is a big misunderstanding.

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mavva (35) · 8 years ago

First off, you're giving them more advertising. I'm new at steem and didn't even know they had a NSFW section.

Secondly, after reading your post I went to see how bad was it, as you said "pedophile ring". I was expecting by a serious pedophile ring, like a group trying to catch up kids or whatever. Instead, I just found photos from models who might be underage (there are many "petite" porn stars that look younger than they are).

Let's agree with you and say they're not 18. They don't really look younger than 15. And if they're 15-17, you can't really say it's pedophilia. The laws make you believe it's pedophilia, but if you read a lot, you'll find out that pedophiles aren't interested on teenagers. They're interested on toddlers and kids being 10 years old at the most.

There are a lot of scientific reasons that make a man be interested on 15+ years old girls, even back in the history it was really common for a 30 years old man (which used to be an already "old man") to marry a 14 years old girl. The actual reason behind being illegal to have sex with an underaged is most likely because people believe that a 15 years old can't decide if they want to have sex or not, and that older guys can cheat them just to have sex.

But let's be honest, most of 15 years old girls and boys nowadays, and even right now, are sending nudes and masturbating at snapchat and many other apps. There are also a lot of them who are doing it live at facebook. Most of 15 years old are already having sex, too. I've read news from 13 years old couples that met at school, had consented sex and became parents.

Times change, and "our kids" aren't kids anymore. They start to think of sex before you can imagine, and they see sex everywhere, even those "feminists" and "activists" who protest nude are a sex reference for them, and along with TV and Internet, they're helping for sex and nudity to become normal for them. And I don't think that's wrong.

Also, before you start to think and say I'm a pedophile, I'm not. I'm 21 years old, and yes, I sent and received nudes when I wasn't yet 18. Most of my friends did, too. It was really common to "trade nudes" with people I met on internet when I was 15, and it's even more common today, we owe that to the lots of hormones being released in our organism at that age. And yeah, they were real persons and not pedophiles. I still talk with most of those I sent nudes to, even met a few in real life.

I agree, Steemit isn't a place to post this kind of stuff. But it's not as bad as you're saying, to be honest.

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najoh (70) · 8 years ago

I checked the posts you mentionned but couldn't find any posts of girls under 18, are you sure of what you are saying as these are very serious accusations. It seems like porn and nude photos of adult models like you can find on most adult websites.

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago (edited)

hey najoh, thank you for your comment! I feel the same way, but also humiliated because my whole profile got ruined through this. I wrote a small post explaining all of this. It would be a huge help if you could read it through: https://steemit.com/steemit/@therealwolf/i-feel-humiliated-and-bullied

Thank you!!

titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

It was images of girls under 18 topless displaying their nipples. More than four of these posts. Also another image of a girl clearly under 18 in a thong marked NSFW.

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donaldtrumpfan (60) · 8 years ago (edited)

What can you do to censor such content on the block-chain? It can certainly be flagged, so the monetary reward can be removed.

..but am i correct to say that all the witnesses unanimously have to block content to censor it? Any single witness could eventually publish controversial content to their block, and hence it appears on steemit.

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donaldtrumpfan (60) · 8 years ago

I guess whatever is hosted on steemimages.com can be blocked too.

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nonnewtonian (44) · 8 years ago (edited)

After reading many rational comments, I believe my original stance was wrong, and I apologize to people such as @therealwolf who are having a hard time because of emotional and irrational responses such as my own.

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago

hey nonnewtonian, would you mind and reading my posts where I explain the whole misunderstanding? Thank you!! https://steemit.com/steemit/@therealwolf/i-feel-humiliated-and-bullied

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nonnewtonian (44) · 8 years ago

Hey, I replied to some of your comments and @ebd1984 as well. I apologize for my initial discourse as it was not level headed and well thought out. I completely sympathize with you and I am sure once people start thinking about this rationally it will all blow over.

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago (edited)

You have my biggest gratitude! I hope so.

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markush (62) · 8 years ago

I have to check it out, or maybe I shouldn't....

Anyway good job you did and hopefully somebody with a decent amount of steem will take care of it. Because this is crazy.

Peace

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Don't check it out. Just flag these people. You can get into big trouble just looking at what that piece of crap @IamGod posted.

I would have filed a Police Report but I don't know where @IamGod is from.

therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago

@titsfrost thank you for flagging @IamGod but please take a moment of your time and read the post I've written because I feel bullied and humiliated and this is a big misunderstanding - thank you!! https://steemit.com/steemit/@therealwolf/i-feel-humiliated-and-bullied

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

You up voted child porn. End of story.

I don't care if you feel bullied. I care far more about the young girl who's picture is being circulated online and getting sick mentally ill people like you off. It is not acceptable to be looking at images of an under 18 year old girl in a thong marked NSFW, and titled "helping Daddy with Dinner". To say you didn't know what it was is bullshit.

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago (edited)

wow - unbelievable. You're a bully. Can you proof that she is under 18? There are people who are 25 but still look under age. You know what - I'm fucking done with this shit. I didn't follow any of that guys other posts, only saw that one which to me was over 18 but whatever. Getting bullied for this is a joke. I'm out. Hope you had a great time bullying other people. But don't spend all of that money at once!

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edb1984 (49) · 8 years ago (edited)

HA! Don't check it out?
Yea, don't actually check the "PROOF", right? Maybe they'd find out the picture was neither child porn or porn, and age of the individual in the image could easily be taken for 18+.

Yet this is "prooooooof" justifying inciting a mob to ruin all these channels claiming they're part of a child sex ring, because apparently so many using Steemit don't know how Steemit works when their brain is lighting the torches and wielding pitchforks in righteous fury.

There is a pattern of creepy posts there but now the truth has been overshadowed by a very successful lie. I hope the $$$$ was worth it!

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

You are awfully concerned with lying in my comment field and attacking me. It was Child Porn,. images of girls under 18 with no tops on, and in a thong is child porn. You defending this makes me wonder about you.

Once again I don't do this for money. Continuing to say so is libel.

Lastly why are you attacking me continuously in the comment field?

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jorgevallarosa (43) · 8 years ago

It needs to be pointed out that a lot of the followers in the screenshots are mass followers. They follow thousands of people indiscriminately to build up their own followers. It's unlikely many of THEM condone child pornography.

Case in point: Both @joanaltres and @carlobelgado resteemed the post by @stellabelle against this guy of their own accord to thousands of their followers long before you created this post. It was not a paid-for resteem. They have both also unfollowed this guy.

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binkyprod (67) · 8 years ago

Yes, exactly, or for someone like me, fairly new to the platform, who might have followed or upvoted to be nice and polite, because they commented on my post or followed me. I know I should check people before following but at the beginning I was just upvoting anything and following anyone who was nice to me. I don't think I upvoted or followed any of those guys, but... Is there a place I can check everything I upvoted? I'll just double check who I'm following to be sure though. I thought this place was a safe place from such things, I didn't think it existed on this platform.

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jorgevallarosa (43) · 8 years ago

You might have to do a lot of scrolling, but you can see all of your transactions on https://steemd.com/@binkyprod or go to https://steemdb.com/@binkyprod and check it out on that site.

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binkyprod (67) · 8 years ago

Thanks. I'll look into it.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Yeah I said:

Some of the above accounts seem to be following IAmGod to report them, so not all IAmGod's followers are evil. Check the voting history.

The only people I accused of supporting this are people I screen shotted that up voted posts that ARE CHILD Porn. Images of girls under 18 topless is child porn.

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therealwolf (75) · 8 years ago

You don't know nothing. The picture I upvoted is NOT childporn. It might be jailbait but if you were so much anom as you claim to be, you would have served the deepweb or any 4chan site and you would have stumbled across some shit which is actually disturbing. Oh and regarding the age limit - you're a hypocrite. I told you that I'm not a fucking pervert and you still believe that I am just because I liked a picture with a caption.

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wordsword (58) · 8 years ago

This is the biggest problem.
Or:
I look, judge, and flag, or restrain from flagging depended on my I judgement.
(Which is what a judge, police do too. They are just as well people as that you, I and anyone else is. They look and give their opinion. )
Or;
I don't look and don't judge/flag.

You say; "You can get into big trouble just looking at what that piece of crap @IamGod posted."

This is a real big problem, It's the state saying, we have a monopoly on judging what is bad. and they keep that monopoly because anyone else working or just randomly encountering this is automatically a criminal.

What about the pedofiles who are police and are judge or government related.

If people turn away from making their own judgement because they are led to believe they are not to be trusted with such material. You teach them they can not trust themselves. They will give the state as well as the pedophiles, a sheltered place to do their thing, including pedophelia, and anyone that researches the pedophiles, or them, they can get rid of very easy and continue what they are doing.
To say it blunt; the best protection for a pedophile would be to become police, judge or politicians.

Not saying all police etc are pedophile though.

I hope you get what I mean.

markush (62) · 8 years ago (edited)

I was just thinking isn;t this a thing for the police. If its illegal a downvote isn't enough. Can steemit inc or somebody delete whole accounts?

Im afraid that isn't possible

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andreanoronha (56) · 8 years ago

Maybe you can check if they are in steemit.chat and see if you can get someone to find out about them?

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Funny that titusfrost actually tells you not to check it out. If you had you would see he's wrongly accusing people. There is nothing to be afraid of. (apart from the pervert who posted crude remarks with the photos). The photos themselves are not child porn, though @iamgod does seem to endorse paedophilia with his perverted comments.

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markush (62) · 8 years ago

@beanz thanks for your clarification. I try not to get involved with these type of wars.. Maybe I shouldn't had replied because I didn't checked it out myself to have a solid opinion.

But If its true what they are saying about him, then speaks for itself I dislike that.

Peace

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saumg (40) · 8 years ago

This is abbhorent... sick. People like this not only need to be removed but reported. Thank you for calling this out!

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katythompson (54) · 8 years ago

Great job - thanks for flagging it and down voting them

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gabato (67) · 10 months ago

Well presented.

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maxy-hopkins (54) · 8 years ago

This is absolutely disgusting. Steemit is not a platform for this sort of thing and those who abuse it ruin it for the rest of us and future creators. But more importantly, child pornography is abusive and immoral. Thank you for sharing this and alerting myself and other Steemians, I did not know this kind of thing existed on here. I will resteem to help support!

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liberosist (70) · 8 years ago

Steem is absolutely the platform for all things illegal and unethical, as censorship resistance is one of the key features of this network.

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thejohalfiles (58) · 8 years ago (edited)

Just looked this over, I believe the majority of people have good in their heart.. so this is one reason why the flag system should exist. It will work well that way... I know I wont allow people to profit from this type of evil here. I am trying to refuel my VP over the next few days --- dtube got me way too excited and I have been using more gas than usual. I will flag this account as well when I can brother... @titusfrost good work here.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago (edited)

Have you checked the evidence behind what these guys are being accused of? The poster seems pretty paedophilic, but the age of the girls in the "porn" is questionable and could easily be 18+ and the other photos of "teens" are clothed and none are participating in anything sexual. While I don't like to see photos of young people of ANY nature posted online, and am disgusted by the OP's phaedophilic titles and comments, the people in this post are getting a "guilty by association" sentence because of this post. Not good work at all @titusfrost. You've slandered these people with lack of proof of their association with paedophiles!

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mindhunter (72) · 8 years ago (edited)

Some very clever thinking going on there @beanz :) I can sense a lot of flawed logic going on here. Only social justice warriors use the weapons of guilt and shame with NO HARD EVIDENCE!

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liberosist (70) · 8 years ago

Absolutely! It is our responsibility as good stakeholders to flag shit like this. You're right that 99.9% people are good here, but the remaining 0.1% evil people will always be there. Like in the real world, same on Steem. We just have to flag them and ostracize them till they give up. It's a noble way to use VP, to fight abuse such as this.

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alex-draw (41) · 8 years ago

Unfortunately the decentralized nature of steemit will make this a complicated issue. Images and video arent kept on the blockchain but if this guy or others starts posting URLs or other text based means of spreading it then no matter what the admins do it will be up forever.

I dont know what the devs plan to do in this situation but this is why we cant have nice things. If no action can be taken besides flagging and moving on then this can damage the image of steem for eternity.

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storcogato (57) · 8 years ago

honestly, the nsfw section of steemit might be doing steemit more harm than good. idk, what do you guys think?

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edb1984 (49) · 8 years ago (edited)

See this is what this is really about.

"Today I saw a photo of a young girl socialising in public must be no older than 18 fully clothed but with a vile title about her BREASTS! What kind of child porno shit is this you got going on in here??? Is this what Steemit is about? Won't someone think of the children all this depravity my little Jimmy might see!"

^^ Adapted from a comment by a very distraught lady in need of a fainting couch

Titusfrost has made so far over $200 piggybacking on the outrage of hypersensitive anti-porn mothers one of which that for some reason doesn't want their 14 year old son to see pictures of girls that may at worst be his age or much older in totally unpornographic unsexualised pictures but for some reason doesn't apparently mind him seeing all the quite legal hardcore pornography here featuring very young looking 18 year olds. A 14 year old boy being attracted to girls his own age isn't pedophilia. The images we're talking about (but apparently just about everyone in the comments haven't actually looked at) are arguably creepy for an ADULT, it might be inappropriate considering the yoyeristic nature of the photos but not creepy for a 14 year old.

That didn't make anyone think twice??

This didn't make people think maybe this was a sheltered conservative type that just discovered there was porn on Steemit and would call 90% of it child porn?

I guess not since this most comments seem to display this level of due diligence:

Titusfrost takes the original accusation to the next level with the outrageous claim that he's "exposed" a "child porn ring" on Steemit, wooo seems that sure is profitable!!.

Clearly all you guys didn't actually check the so called "proof".

The image was not even porn much less child porn.

He didn't even link to the most problematic (more suggestively creepy) examples or provide any awareness that he even knew what might be problematic about it. But increasingly possible creep shots of questionable legal age wouldn't have made for as an incendiary a headline now would it? And he also completes it with the heroic claim that he exposed it as well.

He had you lot imagining all kinds of things and you just assumed that it really was all those things you imagined. After all, why would someone lie on the internet? Is there some kind of reward for lying on Steemit? .... oh.... right.....

You've all been taken for a ride because we like getting outraged at bad people and that might be okay if real people weren't being thrown under the bus for someones ideological and financial gain.

See my post here

YES all the porn should be separated
All porn should be moved to a sister site IMO .
DTube should do the same.
Mainstream adoption will be easier if porn isn't available on the same site as the one you want to replace YouTube. But have all porn on a dedicated porn DTube (see it even has the perfect name already) and it will only be a matter of time before it might even take over pornhub and all the rest. Frankly I'm amazed this maybe the first area where the sex industry has not immediately jumped in before anyone else.

It should be moved but not because of child porn. Porn doesn't create child porn. REAL child porn rings are on secret websites not highly public social networks. You know when they say if it seems too good to be true it probably is? Well when people are accused of doing something that requires them to behave in a way that seems too stupid to believe...

... maybe they didn't.

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sneak (64) · 8 years ago

I think being free to post whatever one likes is the biggest strength of steemit.

If the community doesn't like nsfw stuff, they won't vote it up.

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djohan (66) · 8 years ago

I saw it from stelabelle's post, but you should also inform your followers, thanks titusfrost

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davebrewer (59) · 8 years ago

Need to get rid of this crap, get it off steemit or the site is at risk

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stellabelle (75) · 8 years ago

i am glad you are using your energies for this and taking further action. I remember you posting a lot about this from mainstream.....and now it's all here...just imagine if there were no people like you in the world...how gross it would be. Thank you for being a decent human.

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framelalife (60) · 8 years ago

Flagging his posts. Good find. This is the type of thing we do NOT need to see on Steemit. I'm all for freedom to post whatever you like, as long as it doesn't harm someone else or their property. It was only a matter of time before we saw this show up here. Now it's time to see how the Steemit community is able to stop it.

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ionlysaymeep (50) · 8 years ago

meep

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framelalife (60) · 8 years ago

The meep returns :)

ionlysaymeep (50) · 8 years ago

meep

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sabrin514 (45) · 8 years ago

The person needs to be arrested and not just flagged and censored on steemit. Illegal behavior is beyond the scope of sanctioning on a blog and the police or FBI should be brought in. Not just for child porn, but any type of illegal activity that someone is using steemit for. Better to nip it in the bud so steemit does not get a bad reputation.

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sift666 (65) · 8 years ago

I'm wondering if this is just some random scumbag or if the owners of youtub/fakebook/the media are setting up some dodgy crap on the Steemit blockchain to freak out about later?

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youngjerv (54) · 8 years ago

Glad you guys caught up with these people , thanks for sharing

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geemo-from-paris (46) · 8 years ago

Hello @titusfrost
I had never thought that this kind of thing could find uen place on steemit
Super job my friend, we should find a way to legally disable their account and deliver it to the police why not ??!!!
We are not on the dark net, how these people can post without worry???
disgusting
You have my upvote !!!
@geemo-from-paris

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edb1984 (49) · 8 years ago

Clearly all you guys didn't actually check the so called "proof".
You've all been taken for a ride.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

The proof is more than four posts of girls under 18 showing their nipples, it's called child porn. Stop lying in my comment section.

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nomad17 (58) · 8 years ago

Thanks for raising the alarm. This is absolutely disgusting. Evil is everywhere, but I can't believe they will try to operate within a community like steemit. Well done for exposing them and those who either commented on their posts, upvoted them or follow them for their contents. Something definitely needs to be done about it. And where are all the whales? Shouldn't they use their power to combat evil on the platform and expel it?

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tritonx (40) · 8 years ago

New to this platform, of course some people will test it's limit/tolerance. Not sure that publishing all this info helps to keep it away though...

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

No, I don't think it will help the situation. Especially when the info is false and sensationalised.

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iamfranklinn (46) · 8 years ago

This is so disheartning. the future of kids should be secure and not made like market commodities. He has to be sanctioned. This has to stop!

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thelightreports (64) · 8 years ago

Can someone tell me how to down vote Iamgod's posts? I've never downvoted/flagged before but I think that practice is about to change- good work TF!

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alex-draw (41) · 8 years ago

I dont think downvotes exist, but (aleast on mobile) to the right of the post time is a flag you click on to flag their post.

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peterbrown (37) · 8 years ago

downvote = flag

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thelightreports (64) · 8 years ago

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

A flag is a downvote. It is the equivalent of an upvote but in the opposite direction.

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themadgoat (61) · 8 years ago

How the hell did they think they weren't going to get caught?

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katy-adelson (50) · 8 years ago

Great work. As always. Thanks for your content

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stevescoins (68) · 8 years ago

time for folks to put aside earnings for a couple of days and flag this garbage into the dirt

resteemed

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the-reginald (59) · 8 years ago

Do flagged posts eventually get deleted?

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buildrobotics (49) · 8 years ago

Hope so.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago (edited)

No they remain on the blockchain forever. There may be a way for witnesses to work together to remove the content. However the content in question was not child porn.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

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hope-on-fire (43) · 8 years ago

Great work @titusfrost! Glad the community can put a end to this type of behavior! When I get more SP I will do the same!

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bolognesa (69) · last year

This is a masterpiece.

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brustel (68) · 2 years ago

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cardboard (61) · 8 years ago

Thank you for your work. tip! 0.2

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pele23 (68) · 8 years ago

that's just sick, never thought that would happen here, I hope this community finds away to get this sick fucks out! tnx for figuring this out!

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scripterx (2) · 8 years ago

@titusfrost your my hero up voted and resteemed.

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stackin (78) · 8 years ago

Good job guys, that stuff should be shut down!

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in2itiveart (69) · 8 years ago

wow @titusfrost - great post and you did GREAT handling the opposition. All very interesting and very telling. I did not see @stellabelle get this type of response to her article. Just fascinating as the world has slipped into INVOLUTION and quickly heads for DEVOLUTION...we have to STAND UP AND TAKE THE HEAT.

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logic (67) · 8 years ago

The person who should take credit for reporting this is @scalextrix. She/he reported it to steemcleaners linkdrop on 18th August (3 days before this post). Steemcleaners instantly followed with appropriate action blacklisting that account and flagging the posts.

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titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Thanks for figuring that out.

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oldfashion (36) · 8 years ago

white knight

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sweetiebo (54) · 8 years ago

This is crazy! They should be banned from steemit

anubisthegaylord (48) · 8 years ago

pedophiles... using our platform to spread their vile FILTH!?

that's sickening! upvoted and reposted for DIVINE JUSTICE!

stmit (55) · 8 years ago

100%like and resteem

n3bul4 (62) · 8 years ago (edited)

This guy must be such a prick, calling himself "I am God". What the fuck...

Resteemed,,,

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scripterx (2) · 8 years ago

gmuxx (67) · 8 years ago

No place for this sickness here, or anywhere. Good work to all involved exposing this evil.

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alookintomylife (34) · 8 years ago

This makes me sick to hear there are people on here doing stuff like this.

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silviabeneforti (72) · 8 years ago

Great job, @titusfrost ! After I read the post of yesterday by Stellabelle, I started to flag that horrible (really horrible!) user. It's really shocked to see that pics here on Steemit, really disgusting.

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ausbitbank (73) · 8 years ago

Wtf is wrong with people :(
100% flagged, he's at -7 rep now..

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https://steemit.com/steemit/@therealwolf/i-feel-humiliated-and-bullied

beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Have you checked the evidence behind what these guys are being accused of? The poster seems pretty paedophilic, but the age of the girls in the "porn" is questionable and could easily be 18+ and the other photos of "teens" are clothed and none are participating in anything sexual. The OP's titles and comments are sickening but the people in this post are getting a "guilty by association" sentence because of this post. If you look at the image upvoted by @therealwolf, you will see that he's being attacked based on this post misleading people into a witchhunt!

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patriciakm (45) · 8 years ago

Hey @titusfrost, check out dTube.video, another way to post your video work and articles... directly into steemit :-)

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9 votes

dougkarr (65) · 8 years ago

Nice work Titus, thanks for policing the creeps!

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j4y (45) · 8 years ago

Sick

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vaughnjb (41) · 8 years ago

Sick people.

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malay11 (61) · 8 years ago

Thanks for your work. I UpVote.

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sunshine247 (54) · 8 years ago

YOU ARE A FRICKEN ROCK STAR!!!!! Way to go .. There should be no tolerance for this filth and disgusting garbage .. really, children!!!!! I can't tell you what I would do to these mother Fers. I LOVE YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!! Sunshine247

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stuartgrows (49) · 8 years ago

It was only ever a question of time before people started to use this amazing resource for this kind of abuse. And that genuinely upsets me. The idea that pics like this could be taken of my children and posted publicly is horrifying.

On the flip side, I am reassured by the way in which the Steemit community has banded together to have this stamped out. It looks like this site really can manage itself, which is wonderful to see as it keep the control of the site in the hands of the users.

Well done guys.

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linetrash82 (42) · 8 years ago

Great work on sounding the alarm on these sick perverts!! These people gots to go!! Don't mess with God's children!!!

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denis231 (50) · 8 years ago

Pedophiles... we gotta spread this post, it's very bad....

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ash (73) · 8 years ago

well... it was just a matter of time. That shit is burned to the blockchain now, sitting there forever(?)

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saved4newlife (51) · 8 years ago

I went and checked. Sad this kind of activity is even allowed on here. There has to be something done to these type of people besides just a flag. Good catch!

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meyrep (49) · 8 years ago

Why on earth does the world have so many sick and twisted people? These demented souls are so good at finding ways to creep into our daily lives and wreak havoc on us. Kudos to submitting this blog and exposing these criminals.

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lexiconical (72) · 8 years ago

Glad to see my flags are still doing their job.

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akkha (59) · 8 years ago

Great work dear @titusfrost !
Thank you so much for bringing this stuffs here and alerting the community .
Thanks again for your effort .
👍👍👍👍
Upvoted !

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tungie (46) · 8 years ago

Thanks for flagging and hopefully this wilk be investigated to the bottom. It would be really disgusting if people are abusing Steemit for this purpose. Hope that alle child molestors get locked away for a long time in a rotten dungeon, something like forever.

beanz (68) · 8 years ago

There was no child molesting in the posts. That's what I was afraid of. Turns out they were just pictures of young girls in clothes with perverted comments about them. Not porn.

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tungie (46) · 8 years ago

Thanks for the info and good to hear that it was not that bad

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8 votes

simonfinkelstein (37) · 8 years ago

good job titus, we don't want skippy's in our community

michaelvagas (45) · 8 years ago

WTF... Can't it be reported & blocked?

andreanoronha (56) · 8 years ago

There are a lot of users on steemit who post porn (mostly stolen) because they have no original content and are here only to make a quick buck. Makes me sick

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bolognesa (69) · 2 years ago

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bachone (54) · 8 years ago

There should be made some kind of filter when posting in #NSFW or others alike. it must be available to make somehow.... I surely dont hope that steemit will become a place where theese things can be viewed by people by accident or not knowing. its not alright at all....

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empty (44) · 8 years ago (edited)

I am shocked that something like this exist here on steemit. But it is very good to say something against it and dont youst let it exist without any comment.

todderic (48) · 8 years ago

Is this going to be a fundamental problem with using the blockchain in this way? I mean once a post is part of the blockchain, it there permanently. We must come up with a way to self-police posts that are illegal or abusive. I know the NSFW tag will create an option to view/hide the material but should there by another tag created that will hide a post and require more to view to limit and discourage this? #my2cents

jockey (67) · 8 years ago

Thanks very much for this! I am distressed to hear this and will add my voice to any discussion concerning this topic! Upvoted and resteemed mate!

https://twitter.com/ImperatorTruth/status/900045296373301248

titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Are pics of underage girls topless and in thongs marked NSFW considered as Child Porn?

95% Say YES!

See it yourself...

Enough with the bullshit.

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twitterbot (56) · 8 years ago

Titus Frost tweeted @ 22 Aug 2017 - 17:21 UTC

Are pics of underage girls topless and in thongs marked NSFW considered as Child Porn? I say yes, and it's disgusting. You?

Disclaimer: I am just a bot trying to be helpful.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

That tweet suggests the girls were wearing nothing but a thong...

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krispee (44) · 8 years ago

This things get me sick..

jvalentine (55) · 8 years ago

Thank you titusfrost for pointing out this heinous practise. It just goes to show when something is intended as communal and kind, that some evildoers will use it. we must always be on the lookout. People should bring their kids up in Greece - the Greeks love kids! despite Plato being so misunderstood the hijacking of his thoughts are abominable. I will follow you and resteem as this is a great cause, they'll go underground unless we expose them.

titusfrost (73) · 8 years ago

Just one example on a post titled "Pretty Tight Teen Cameltoe # ❷" by @IAmGod which is not technically child porn which is why I did not include it above, but shows clear signs of pedophilia not only because the image is of a clearly underage girl, but check out the comments.

So I did not call out @OpenAccount in my article because he had not UP VOTED any ACTUAL Child Porn, however clearly this is not acceptable behavior.

You think taking screen shots of the followers was a bad idea? No it wasn't it was for people to look through and decide on their own who was acting creepy like this. This is not a witch hunt, this is called reporting.

beanz (68) · 8 years ago

You actually told people not to look at the posts "just flag" everybody involved. You went to their personal blogs and publicly accused them of being paedophiles... This is the sickest way in hell of justifying your "work". Expose paedophilic behaviour - like stellabelle did... but to then try to take it to the next level just for $$$ and totally careless of the mental abuse this would cause to @therealwolf, who's only been here a week!

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majidawan (51) · 8 years ago

Excellent Article. Thanks for this sharing

theleapingkoala (61) · 8 years ago (edited)

OMG!!! This is beyond disgusting. It makes my blood boil. I am so glad you found them out. We really need to be vigilant about this sort of pervert people/posts.

I know many of the names on the followers list. Although I dont know those people very well, it is hard for me to imagine they would support such posts. I was crazy scared that I followed him since I am new and tend to follow many people without checking their contents. Thankfully I wasn't. But considering that, many of the followers may have followed this pervert without knowing about what he posts, so I think they should be warned and asked to take actions by unfollowing/flagging or muting the F@#Kin Ba$#@rd. Sorry for my language, but I am fuming with anger now. Thanks again for uncovering/sharing such important issue.

eroche (67) · 8 years ago

Honestly I cant go to look at those accounts but I am sure it would it be possible to identify the servers that are hosting the images and report them to the authorities? If we got them taken down, at least it would remove the images from Steemit as the links would all be broken.

Great job and thanks for bringing this to the attention of the community.

gazbenn (39) · 8 years ago

Dirty Feckers!

baus85 (44) · 8 years ago

Make Steemit better, ban the NSFW section. People earning their money with internetporn is so pre-internetbubble!

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framelalife (60) · 8 years ago

Consider this: That goes against the fundamentals of censorship resistance. Once you begin banning one # you will soon see cries for others.

The point should be that the community and the software can self police in decentralized systems. Calls for banning go against the very fabric of blockchain and digital currency.

A better solution is to find the best ways for community to have these discussions as to solve problems. Look no further than the #nsfw tag itself. Many were against it being allowed at all. However #nsfw does not only apply to porn.

The solution was to allow THE END USER to decide for themself or their family what level of content they want to view with the 3 options. None at all, hidden with click to view, and not hidden in plain site. The community then polices content that does not correctly use the correct tags with the comments section and downvotes if needed.

The system works.

I'm not really for or against porn on Steemit, but an open, censorship free platform allows it within reasonable framework set by the software and community.

Child porn is a different problem because now you dwell into a legal standpoint that doesn't necessarily come into play.

The conversation should be how a community and software devs can tackle and manage these issues with balance.

Once you start talking banning certain types of content you open the censorship floodgates that mainstream social media already have major issues with. Steemit is here to solve those issues, not become them.

I think the more we see these types of posts, the more potential for negative media for Steemit, the more unique ideas we will be presented with to tackle them.

The system as it is will already fight these posts. There is no financial incentive to post things of this nature with the downvotes and - negative Rep gained. There is financial incentive to call out offenders and have these conversations that lead to guidelines and solutions. There is also potential financial loss and - negative Rep to keep people from abusing calling out and policing posts that not actual offenses.

If people thought this was a witchhunt you'd see way more downvotes against the OP. There is already some balance to how this should all work.

And there aren't really that many high earners in the #nsfw posts. But if the porn gates open, the community has voting power to determine such payouts.

Just my 2 steem.

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norez (36) · 8 years ago

Thank you for exposing this slime! It's disgusting! I agree, it needs to be deleted!

Thank you for bringing it to our attention! Resteemed and upped!

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rahmanovic (59) · 8 years ago

disgusting. thanks for sharing this, people need to know and be aware of such rubbish

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greatness96 (69) · 8 years ago

Great work @titusfrost. With this passion from more people here, we can have a high moral environment in steemit.

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imwatsi (67) · 8 years ago (edited)

Even though some people commented and blew this thing off course, I just know that from my five minute visit to IAmGod blog, I've been seriously disturbed by what I saw. And I don't think I visit Steemit to be disturbed like that

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buildrobotics (49) · 8 years ago

Disgusting.

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abupasi.alachy (60) · 8 years ago

Interesting post and interested my heart when he saw his greetings know my friends may we become friends.

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wwamd (53) · 8 years ago

I called out a NSFW post months back with some trash about "daddy domination" and this pseudopaedophilia which to gen is repugnant and will ultimately be a huge scar on STEEMIT and make all OUR hard work discredited by smut. I have no problem with people watching porn or having fetishes but don't do it here is all I wanted. With more and more underage users joining at the time I wrote my angry reply, as I have a daughter, I had people basically calling ME out for insulting people, like how dare I? It's garbage and this is the sort of thing that not only can destroy the entire STEEMIT.com network but cause people to indulge in illegal and dangerous behaviors. I really can't stand it. Call me old school but I don tell even have a Facebook and they had private child porn rings there too which seemingly go unpunished by the government and it makes me sick to think people are just using no the internet to lose what little morals we still have as a species. Ugh...so frustrating. I am glad you called out not only the poster but the followers and the upvoters. ReSteemed and UPVOTED. Let's kill this NSFW stuff while we can bc it WILL get into the illegal realm and the entire social network domain can be taken away. No place for it here.

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elizabethmurray (45) · 8 years ago

I am glad you did an article on this,i did one myself after a few weeks on steemit after noticing how people were using porn to make money on steemit ,i explained how some of these girls could be 13-14 years old,i got some support and some attacks especially from the providers of the video then i got some dumb creep saying ,i am very much a man ,so i like these videos,i said well if your a man you would go and get the real thing, instead of getting off on pictures,it seems to me you are a very sad and desperate man.i told people that they were supporting child porn if they didn't flag these videos and steemit would turn into a pornographic channel.i'm not as well known as you so it didn't go far.i will share this video as it is a serious matter.

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antje (49) · 8 years ago

You've done your best, @elisabathmurray and I agree we have to keep flagging those paedophiles. But I know nothing will happen to them and Steemit will turn into a porn site eventually. I've just spent a few hours to fight against those soft pushers of vaccines. They come in groups to promote this vaccine childabuse with "nice" videos and "nice" language.

I have also asked for my account on Steemit to be cancelled and got nowhere, it says in the FAQ that it can't be cancelled. So I asked if I used foul langague or forbidden content or whatever else is a demeanor here, if I could be banned and got no reply either.

It is like that: Steemit.com is ONLY interested it us clicking, posting, clicking, upvoting to bump up their Alexa ratings. This has been done before, it's an old trick online to make a website, tell people they can earn money writing articles or post. This is how they get into good ratings on search engines as well. In the end everybody gets dumped and the big 'uns keep our earnings.

I keep fighting against child abuse in any form on this platform until I get banned.

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elizabethmurray (45) · 8 years ago

thanks antje ,your right steemit only care about money,they don't care what people download as long as it makes them money and there's no way to complain ,all we can do is flag and try banning them from our site.

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steemityourway (68) · 8 years ago

This makes my heart break every single time.
I recently came across a youtuber who shared some youtube channels whose videos had thousands and millions of views, in which children were being abused. This world makes me cringe. We need to put an end to this and do all of what we can to make this stop. Lets report all of these.

Thanks for letting us know of this inhumanity and cruelty:(

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

These photos are not of children being abused. There are no children even nude. Some of the girls look young, but they could easily be 18+ and they are not of a sexual nature. Just nudity. The ones with "teens" have no nudity. They are clothed girls but the poster is making crude remarks which makes him sound like a paedophile but he is not posting child porn and nor are these people accused of being part of a paedophile ring upvoting any sort of child porn.

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ghostgtr (58) · 8 years ago

This is a disgrace! I've upvoted your 3 comments as per the links in your post!
Thank you for bringing this under the attention of fellow Steemers.
I hope the posters and direct supporters of this child porn is ashamed of themselves (the ones as mentioned in your post, that is!)

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antje (49) · 8 years ago

Unfortunately they are not ashamed.

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sabrin514 (45) · 8 years ago

As a newbie to steemit, I think that there needs to be a way for the users to set filters for content. I personally do not want to see porn in general. Child porn is illegal and should be reported to law enforcement instead of having a blog post made about it, which will only serve to alert the suspect and possibly make them remove the images and avoid being convicted.

I would also like to see filters for languages. While I realize that users from all over the world use Steemit, and think it is wonderful, I speak English and have no interest in seeing other languages in the feeds.

Filters based on categories might be nice too.

I think having filters would allow people to have the best chance of seeing content that actually interests them instead of wading through lots of content, some that is a bit spammy in nature on some topics that may not be of interest to the user.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

There is a filter for NSFW content in your steemit user settings.

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sabrin514 (45) · 8 years ago

Thank you! I didn't know that. It would be cool if they added more filters to allow the user to better tailor their preferences too.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Yes I agree. The roadmap had communities on the map for the third quarter of this year. I'm sure that would have helped with the multiple languages. They seem to be delayed as we were expecting them last month.

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antje (49) · 8 years ago

I've already asked in a post for a filter, @sabrin514 and got no reply. And since we can't cancel our account on Steemit.com (see FAQ), I'm stuck here forever and will fight against child porn, vaccine childabuse and the rest of it. It seems that you can do here WHATEVER you want to do and you won't even get banned.

It might be a good idea to inform the authorities about the illegal goings on on Steemit.com. But I don't know how I could do it from Spain where I live.
Just a thought, I will share this post on my Facebook account and ask for the police to look into it.. Maybe we'll get somewhere if we all do it.

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thepotato (40) · 8 years ago

poor tatertots.png

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cajalias7 (48) · 8 years ago

Huy Dios mio.. amigo gracias por esa informacion.... que desgraciados esos deberian meterlos presos y sacarlos de steem

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bibleanarchist (47) · 8 years ago

Re$teemed, uovoted & following!

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thebul (38) · 8 years ago

Great job. Flush the crap out of here.

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d-man (35) · 8 years ago

Well done!

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walil (47) · 8 years ago

Nice

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greatvideos (59) · 8 years ago

Thanks for posting

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binkyprod (67) · 8 years ago

I didn't know this existed on Steemit. \sigh

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germangv-53 (47) · 8 years ago

Buena discusion .

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arcange (73) · 8 years ago

Congratulations @titusfrost!
Your post was mentioned in the hit parade in the following category:

Comments - Ranked 3 with 143 comments

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blaha (44) · 8 years ago

Didn't we build an uncensorable community?

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jessandthesea (57) · 8 years ago

WTAF :(

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kobuproduction (25) · 8 years ago

Share more photo!)

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artystuff (55) · 8 years ago

Keep up the good work Titus. Great to have you on this platform fighting the good fight :)

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nutela (61) · 8 years ago

Good work! No bra teen was removed. Did you hear of Microsoft PhotoDNA? It's a cloud service that checks for known images. So a @Cheetah if you will for CP.

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stiuly (46) · 8 years ago

Thank you for the news or information we hope to be able to do business together and achieve success .. hopefully we can be well-secured by sharing good news2

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asif4745 (52) · 8 years ago

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mukhtar.juned (59) · 8 years ago

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hossainsohag (51) · 8 years ago

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