If you have been living under a rock you might not have noticed the current battle between Bernie and Haejin.
The battle seems pretty straight forward, Haejin makes 10 posts a day and a large account upvotes them all. The account that upvotes him is @ranchorelaxo, and from what I gather the complaint is that he is being selfish by only upvoting only one account, @haejin.
He has a pretty big stake.
If everyone is free to use their stake how they want, there isn't any wrong doing here on either side. @ranchorelaxo can upvote who he likes for whatever reasons, and on the other hand Bernie and friends can use their stake to try to influence the platform via flags, organized or not. Fair is fair.
However, I do wonder what the desired result is. If Ranchorelaxo decides to power down, nobody really gained anything from the battle we just end up with about the same distribution of rewards and a slightly smaller Market Cap. Do they think they can force him to vote for others? How do they know it wouldn't just be other sock-puppet accounts? Do they trust him to seek out engaging articles and upvote them?
I'm just a little confused about what the desired outcome is.
In any case, when the whales flag each other the rewards are returned to the reward pool and distributed to the other posts, so there is a benefit there.
Pros of Flagging Haejin
- Return funds to reward pool
- Get him off the trending page
- Sends a message to others
- Drama
Cons of Flagging Haejin
- It is a lot of stake and energy caught up in a negative battle
- Drama
- Forces him to find other ways to exploit his stake
- Sends a message to others
I've seen some newer end-users state that Haejin is taking from the community reward pool, but that is a different perspective than I have. Ranchorelaxo can only allocate the amount of stake he controls, so if he is forced off the platform the stake he is allocating would also be gone. I see that as a wash.
As I find myself unable to pick a side, I've decided to make some popcorn and watch the show!
What else can I do after all?
What are your thoughts.
In real life, @ranchorelaxo is heavily invested in the international popcorn cartel. The @haejin / @berniesanders drama is all a conspiracy to boost popcorn sales.
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I just want this to end, but they both believe in something
that we said is decentralized.
For them there no such thing.
At least this drama is laughable to a certain extend.
Keep on steemin'
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Can't wait for you leave. If you're content was so amazing, why are so many flagging you? It's because your content is low value or as the SEC would say, unregulated financial advice. Why never reveal your identity? You know you're upto some shady sh*t
Don't worry, I am working on a few things with regulators and they would love to have a look. Specially as you have transferred millions to Bittrex which is based in the US, where they love a good lawsuit
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No need for further comments, this one wins! lol
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I think their fight could go on a LOOOONG time. lol
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Based on your technical analysis, you could do with some more grey matter
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I've been keenly interesting in this feud but, like you, I am not interested in taking sides publicly.
The thing is, Steemit is set up just for this. If there's a member of the community that for whatever reason isn't doing things that enough users don't like, they can actually give their opinion a financial weight by these sorts of mass-flagging, costing a single user many hundreds of dollars in payouts.
I've also seen that there are flags going around for any accounts that were involved in this, and I seriously can't afford to become a target of a whale in some negative way.
Interestingly enough, that's part of the anarchic community system we have here. I am watching what I say and how I voice my opinions because the opinions of the community can have a direct repercussion on me. This is very different than facebook or twitter; I am directly incentivized to be cautious and polite.
That is, unless I have a million steem powered up and I don't care what my posts earn lol
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Excellent and thoughtful points. Regarding this conflict, I keep changing my mind. I really can see both sides, I am not even trying to be PC. :)
I like that you pointed out there are financial reasons to be careful who people decide to take on. I know at least one person had their account flagged hard today as the result of some crossfire.
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Precisely. There's a sharp learning curve on Steemit that normal Internet users are not used to.
People are used to saying whatever they want to whoever they want with little to no consequence from other users beyond a shouting match.
With Steemit, though, you actually have to be careful who you talk to, or even who you curate -- or even who curates you (I saw people in this feud saying they were flagged by one or the other because their enemy upvoted their content -- how absurd! I can't control who upvotes me! I would feel terrible if some whale flagged me because another whale he was fighting with decided to upvote my post).
In any case, it teaches me the lesson of not sticking my nose where it doesn't belong. :p
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I dived right in, I don't like haejin for many reasons
I cannot sit by and let this happen. I have had my account flagged to oblivion. I don't care, what is right is right and time will tell
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I just sit back with my popcorn and enjoy it! I thoroughly enjoy following the saga and all of the posts about it all!
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This one has been really interesting to me because I could argue either side! I also admit to enjoying some drama once in a while. On other days, I like to pretend I am above it. :)
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Haha I love seeing all of the posts from others in the community pro Bernie or pro Haejin and their reasons for their positions
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You managed to perfectly pack todays headline into 1 funny picture !!!
congratulation!
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I think the problem is that while you technically can use your stake however you want, what they're doing goes against everything we're supposed to do here. We're supposed to upvote good content. Instead, they're using their massive stake to upvote shit and throwing the whole system out of whack. This place cannot exist unless people upvote good content that they like. If everyone just upvotes whoever pays the most, the shit is what ends up rewarded the most, the bot owners make the most profit, and the entire experiment fails.
There's no incentive to spend hours on a post if we know we're only gonna get a few bucks for it, while assholes in trending get hundreds for absolute shit.
Unless we fix this, we're all doomed. Steem will fail and be replaced by something that deals with this shit just slightly better.
Flagging is just bailing out water though. We need to actually fix it.
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There is no fixing it. My opinion, it is also my opinion that it isn't broken.
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Well it's not my thing. I cannot imagine doing that with that kind of Power. But it's his Stake. I guess he is free to do what he wants with it.
Just curious does he ever Upvote other Content Producers who really add value to the Blockchain ? Or is it totally Upvoting his self with 100% voting powerr ??
Anyway, I too wonder what the end game are they after ??
Thanks @whatsup for Posting
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I agree with your pros and cons. I used to think that downvoting was worth it. Then I realized that every downvote only brought hostility and bad feelings. If I instead used that vote to reward good content then it would bring positivity and increase the quality of the community. I am betting that positivity will win!
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Just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show :>
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One problem is that both of these people may drive good folk away from steemit with retaliatory flagging. They can both be nasty.
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Yeah, the retaliatory flagging frustrates me as well. The interesting thing about a mostly decentralized community, one has to develop thicker skin than in other forums. I think we will grow, but I don't think we will hit mainstream, because of exactly that. Most people can't handle people being unpleasant.
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Or, to offer an alternative, perhaps the draw of monetary gain will cause people to start to push into the unpleasantness and develop thicker skins. If a trial by fire turns people into stronger elements, then perhaps those who do push through will be better people for it.
It might still never be 'mainstream'. It might be developing a new culture of dealing with conflicting ideas, instead of running away from them.
If all we got from the platform was conflict, it wouldn't be worth staying, but we get more than conflict, I think.
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Good point! I like the idea of the alternative.
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@whatsup,
Seriously I hate both parties! Anyway the best method is take a Pop Corn and watch who will drain first :D
Cheers~
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Yah I get all your points and valid question!
I look at it as:
or
Not sure!
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i dont see pros and cons for flagging berrnie, could this be a one sided bias post on the current situation?
xD
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Ha! Good point. Pros.. Returns to reward pool. Keeps Bernie interested, fun to watch.. lol
Cons: About the same.
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lol
:D
i now declair this post non bias!
hehe
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Lol, well, eventually.
Drama is good for the community actually, it shows we are functioning properly, i dont see @racnchorelaxo leaving, there is more than meets the eyes. Once again, drama is good, it keeps the blood flowing
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I will share the popcorn with the nice cat on the picture and watch the Mortal Kombat fight!
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A nice sideline event for the debate over bidbots.
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I can't wait for some new topics! :)
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Hi whatsup. There is a lot of politics going on which I don't really understand. I can see both sides. He is allowed to do it and there is very little anyone can do to stop it. I have seen other accounts which are doing worse things than Haejin. If you add up what they are taking every day it makes Haejin look like a saint. Just don't get it. Think everyone here is blinded by greed and jealousy.
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Sometimes it can be better than TV. It depends if I am in the mood for drama or not. :)
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What would most people do on here if they were making $2000 a day? I think we know that answer already.
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I think for me, @ned's talk in Japan should really do something about this issues, however I'd like to keep my opinions, I don't have a sword so how can I go to war?
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My view is that Ned should stay out of the politics and drama. Their job is to make the blockchain work, policing the community is the community's job, not Ned's.
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But I wasn't thinking, isn't such wars going to have an effect on the platform on a few selected angles?
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Not really, if he decided to leave and cash out someone else would have to buy his STEEM, his stake would not vanish, it would simply be owned by someone else or multiple people who bought it...
Just like when he signed up for the platform and decided to buy all his STEEM/STEEM POWER, he had to buy it from other people who were already on the platform and were willing to sell to him...
A large volume of selling/buying would effect the USD price of STEEM, but fiat currency is basically worthless anyway so it does not really matter how much STEEM sells for in USD ;)
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Pass the popcorn :) I try to keep up to date with the feud, but it's been going for so long that it is just a bit boring now :-/ Kudos to Bernie to maintain his energy though...
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haejin makes random charts. Might as well create a post with poop emojis and it will be more entertaining.
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But @haejin, I have read that there are only 60k active steemians who use Steemit regularly. Out of them, most people are unaware of any other coins apart from steem and Bitcoin and they don't show much interest in these altcoins. I think the count of genuine, active followers of your blog won't exceed 1 or 2k. Because I have 225 followers. But genuine followers in that list are just 12 or 13! I followed you initially because your name was there in trending page. I still don't understand any technical analysis including your's. All the technical stuffs that I know is how to cash out SBDs through zebpay!
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Check out technical analysis of the chart guys on youtube and you will know why i call it random.
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This post has received a 9.55 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @whatsup.
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Nice friend
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@ranchorelaxo is the problem. lets' finish him @whatsup
@resteemia
reteemed & upvoted
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nice drama and picture
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I think I need a space by his side and a soda to see how all this drama ends.
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I don't know why but I just love the drama I do see on steemit. Hope I ain't the only one that does?
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No one wishes to be caught in the cross-fire when two whales are digging it. I buy into @shayne
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It seems that our friend @whatsup has become a target 😔
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This flag war is like the bestest thriller movie there is or ever could be made - nobody knows the climax, plot twists around every corner, and being involved in it is scary A.F.
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lol, The cat certainly is fat.
Don't call me a biased SOB, you present yourself as the little guy with a headband.
Chill out dude. Become a member of the community. :) No need to fight all day everyday. Settle in, help us make it better
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He wont, he's a parasite holding back the steem platform
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