Actifit Daily: Increasing AFIT to Upvote Entry Point. Automated Transfer Confirmations. Daily Updates

jasonshick (65) · 5 years ago

I can see both sides of the coin on this one. As a large token holder in the Actifit community, this benefits me right away. For those not meeting the minimum threshold now, it seems like the barrier to entry has been significantly raised and many people are put off.
For those that think this barrier is too high there is a simple solution, invest a little bit of your local currency and/or steem and buy some actifit. You can buy 10k actifit on @steem-engine for about 100 steem (about $20 USD) this is not a substantial amount of money to invest and will help stabilize the price.
For everyone who is crying over this, take the perspective that when everyone just keeps taking from the pool, the price will naturally go down. Invest a few dollars into actifit and the community, it will not only help yourself, but the rest of the community.

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

Actually you can buy 10k AFIT tokens right now for $6.63 USD or 39 Steem, that's stupid cheap! Just saying. Plus this will help the entire platform because it will cause demand for the AFIT token which will cause the price to rise.. so people should probably stop bitching and start buying AFIT while it is stupid cheap!! I know I am ;)

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jasonshick (65) · 5 years ago

Exactly, even better! I know the actifit team is hard at work and I think this is a great idea to stop AFIT dumping and stabilize the price. People who are complaining need to turn those complaints into solutions.

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago

I couldn't of said it better myself!

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago

I honestly don't understand why people are so upset about this decision, I think it is great and here is why. AFIT token price is being slammed with the down turn on cryptos (especially steem) so we are all loosing money right now, regardless of the upvote bot situation. It blows my mind that some people seem to forget this platform is about health, not about big upvotes!?! So if that is the only reason you are here then I doubt you'll be here long anyhow and your opinion doesn't matter to me. For those of you who love @actifit, let me explain why this is good.

Making a 10k barrier to receive upvotes from @actifit helps all @actifit token holders because it will create Demand for the AFIT token which will drive the price up. Many new users are below that threshold so it will entice them to buy more tokens to participate in the big upvotes.

Right now everyone has a ton of tokens with nothing much to do with them so they are selling them for cheaper and cheaper on the market (driving the price further and further down) trying to get whatever they can for them because there is no big benefit to hold them besides for rank and speculation purposes.

However, with this new rule now people will have a reason to hold them, not just sell them for whatever they can get on steem-engine. It will also stop a lot of the spammers (and cheaters) who are just using actifit for the big upvote, not for the real reason it was created, for a community focused on health. So I honestly don't know why anyone would complain about this new rule, it benefits us all.

I went over to steem-engine quick and checked the price for 10k AFIT and its only 39 steem or $6.63 cents USD! If you have been on steemit or actifit for any real amount of time then you should be able to afford the 39 steem or already have the 10k AFIT tokens, if not it shouldn't be to much to buy in and hit that mark. Or if you really want the big upvotes now then cough up the $ and buy it from the start, the investment will pay itself off quickly. That's 3 options, pick one or shut up!

If people truly enjoy the @actifit platform (and aren't just gaming it for upvotes) then they should be willing to invest that small amount of money to participate in the extra upvoting. This new rule doesn't stop anyone from participating in actifit which already pays people, sorry if you think you deserve more even though you haven't put in the time, money or effort (like everyone else did) for a bigger upvote, any of which will get you there!.

People need to stop complaining about why this rule might suck for them personally and look at the big picture and how it will ultimately help us all!

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master1992 (51) · 5 years ago (edited)

Ok, so new members join then what raise it to 50k Afit,100k Afit what exactly people have legitimate concerns. Also, it is $6.63 cents currently what happens if it's worth alot more say $100 or more for example in time for new members? No this is too much short term thinking and trying to force the price up.

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago

So buy in now before its to late and the price goes way up! LoL. I find it funny that you are worried about the price going to high?? if your holding tokens then you want the price to sky rocket, thats the point of it all!!

Stop worrying about everyone else and the future issues, stop looking for problems and start looking for solutions.. Things will always continuously change as they go, that is the beauty of the blockchain.

I feel like you are rather new to the whole crypto scene (at least the steem blockchain) so you need to understand that this is how things work. As the price per token rises the amount of tokens needed to get the upvote will drop, along with the amount of tokens for entry or there will be a new better system created. Everything is a working progress my friend. You have decide what you think is worth investing in and then do it, not everything will be a winner.. Thats life ;) Good luck.

shauner (57) · 5 years ago (edited)

This is a horrible decision to increase the AFIT minimum by 100x in order to convert AFIT to STEEM. Why not just increase the number of AFIT required to get the upvote instead of allowing it at 5-20 AFIT now?

You've now alienated new members and those, like me, who have been diligently using the Actifit platform but don't have anywhere near 10,000 AFIT despite using it daily for months. Now we can't participate in the process of building our SP (and delegating it back) through Actifit usage. What is the point for users of Actifit now if the AFIT is useless?

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epicdave (60) · 5 years ago

I agree completely.
What really pisses me off is the suddenness of this change and lack of warning. I was at 8.2k now that is useless.

All it seems to do is benifet those at the top and not most users. Terrible decision and poor execution.

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago

Think about the big picture.. Right now on Steem-engine you can have your addition 1.8K tokens for 7 steem! (That is stupid cheap).. That little investment will get you back into the upvote rounds and within 2 upvotes you will have made your money back!!! But now the upvotes will come much faster because there aren't so many people in line waiting for votes... This is great, take advantage of it! ;)

moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

I disagree, I think this was a fantastic decision because it will ultimately help all token holders! (So how can it be bad?)... First and foremost this is great for the AFIT token itself, it will finally create a reason for demand (which drives price up) and it will keep people from gaming the Actifit system in multiple ways, which hurts us all. Secondly, it encourages more people to invest in the platform and HOLD their earnings rather than spend them which again helps the price rise because of supply an demand.

Plus it rewards the users who have been here for longer and/or those willing to invest in the platform because they believe in it, so it is rewarding the people who are actually believe in actifit not just the leaches here for the upvote bot.

Far to many people showed up here just for the big upvotes, which is not at all what this community represents. So if this chases people away from the @actifit platform then I don't think they ever really cared about @actifit, the community, or their health at all, they obviously only cared about the upvote... in which case they were gaming the system, taking rewards from people who actually care about this platform and deserve the rewards! In which case I want them gone so the rest of us, the ones who actually are here for the right reason, would get bigger daily rewards. Win/Win

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shauner (57) · 5 years ago

You're an asshole for thinking that I never cared about Actifit. I've logged everyday for months and don't have 10,000 tokens for all that effort. I've been actively encouraging other users with upvotes and previously delegated SP to the cause. If the whole purpose of Actifit was to force people to buy tokens to get any benefit from it then it's all a moneygrab. Fuck off.

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago

LoL, calm down friend. I never said you didn't care, I said far to many people are just here for the weighted upvote. I am Sorry if you misconstrued that as an insult towards you, it wasn't, it was a general statement about those people. If you don't fit into that group then no need to freak out and start name calling. ;)

Who is being forced to buy tokens? No one. But if someone chooses to participate in weighted upvotes then there should be a barrier to entry so the system doesn't get gamed, which is continuously happening and is hurting every single token holder on the @actifit platform.

Asking a person who has never used the actifit platform to pay $6.63 in order to gain the benefits of weighted upvotes is a reasonable price in my eyes, less if they are already active users of the platform. (That is less than a meal at a fast food place). Especially considering you would make your investment back in 1 month through weighted upvotes.... So I guess I don't see how that is a "moneygrab"???

I would love to hear a response but please leave the name calling and attitude behind. I don't need that negativity in my life :0) Take care.

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mcfarhat (70) · 5 years ago

hey @shauner,
Thanks for sharing your perspective.
The new min threshold is not intended to push people away at all. We did explain the reasons of this adjustment (large pending queue and waiting times for up to 2 weeks, decreasing STEEM price, decreasing AFIT price on S-E), and overall this is directed to better sustain and grow the project.
The AFIT for vote exchange service is just a service to earn more SP, although the core of actifit is to have you get healthier, join a community of like minded individuals and earn tokens.
Our plans focus on making sure the ecosystem is well functioning and to try preserve the value of AFIT for you and all other token holders.
Hope this makes sense.

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shauner (57) · 5 years ago

Thanks for the reply. I did read the explanation and realized that changes needed to be made, but this is a drastic change that will disproportionally impact newer users to Actifit and leave little incentive for new users to join in the future.

This leaves virtually no path to a new user being able to actively benefit from Actifit participation without a buy-in. People new to Steemit, like me, were thrilled to have a fun activity like Actifit that could help us with our fitness and allow us to build our Steem Power at the same time. 95% of the SP I've earned has been because of Actifit. Without that component, I will likely discontinue using the Steemit platform because it's too difficult to build SP without an outside activity like (the former) Actifit... or a big buy-in.

I really hope you'll reconsider the drastic changes that have been made to Actifit and focus on the newish users to ensure its continued growth.

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master1992 (51) · 5 years ago

@mcfarhat I know why you did the change and after reading some of the comments can see the logic behind it. I do however still think to raise it to such a large amount is the wrong move. I think you are going to be excluding alot of people from being able to use the vote exchange service. I do think potentially this might be a better option to have 50% upvote at 5k and 100% upvote at 10k. This would provide an incentive to hold Afit but also sound more of an achievable target. Also onto sort of an unrelated topic, I have noticed that there is no incentive to carry on once you have gone past the max daily reward level. Potentially maybe this would be a better option to look into overall instead of how you use the current vote exchange system. Perhaps the vote exchange function should become unlocked once you have gone over the max reward by a certain amount a few days in a row.

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sepracore (62) · 5 years ago

I see many people seem upset by these changes, which I understand. I have not had enough time to digest it one way or another, but I will say this. The actifit team has proven they can move quickly and are making progress everyday. Sometimes their speed has negative consequences because it can seem like the goalposts keep moving, but in the long run fast progress is a good thing in my opinion. It is my understanding that converting AFIT for Steem upvotes was just a short term option anyway. It was never a major goal from their side. It was just something put out there to tide people over while the app gets fully developed. I could be wrong about that. I am not on their team. This does favor people who have been using the app longer, but in fairness to those individuals, they have been using it longer and have been waiting longer. Hopefully this doesn’t slow new user growth because that is short sighted. It is my belief the team is still working on expanding their marketplace and doing everything in their white paper. Maybe a post about your current roadmap would go a long way to remind people where actifit is going short and long term?

mcfarhat (70) · 5 years ago

Thank you for your great thoughts as always @sepracore,
Its a nice suggestion about sharing more about the roadmap in a post, ill plan to make that happen.

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bucipuci (64) · 5 years ago

Many people aren't impressed by this solution. On the other hand, this may lead to improved daily reporting. However, I'm afraid this will mean a decrease in Actifit supporters.

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mcfarhat (70) · 5 years ago

hey @bucipuci,
thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I refer you back to my above reply for a more detailed response
https://steemit.com/actifit/@actifit/actifit-daily-increasing-afit-to-upvote-entry-point-automated-transfer-confirmations-daily-updates#@mcfarhat/pwg5iz

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bucipuci (64) · 5 years ago

I knew it had something to do with the token and economy recovery. Therefore, I chose milder words than other participants in the discussion.
Thanks for the reply

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bluengel (76) · 5 years ago

GodSpeed Actifit 💙

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gomdory (66) · 5 years ago

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gomdory (66) · 5 years ago

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bluengel (76) · 5 years ago

고마운 곰도뤼~💙

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gduran (69) · 5 years ago

I don't think the 10,000 AFIT minimum is a good idea except if you don't want new members, at this point in time I don't think anybody is going to invest in AFIT tokens if the incentive is just to get a Steem upvote and I am not talking about myself I have way over 10,000 AFIT tokens so this does not apply to me at all.

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago

I disagree, I joined @actifit before the upvote bot was even an idea and I promise you I will be here long after it is gone. The people who come here just for the big upvotes are worthless anyhow, they will only stay as long as it benefits them financially, they bring nothing to the platform they only suck from it so I honestly don't care if this chases those people away.

However, I do think it will create more demand for the AFIT token causing the price to rise which obviously benefits all token holders. Right now many people are just dumping their coins on the SE market for anything they can get because the only thing they can use it for is an upvote bot.. I believe many of those same people have less than 10k tokens and are hurting the system.. This new rule brings way more incentive for newbies to hold their tokens which will also help to stop the price from continuing to fall.

We all need to work together to make this platform better instead of complaining when a rule doesn't work directly in our favor. This benefits EVERYONE who is a token holder, that is the bottom line!

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gduran (69) · 5 years ago

I was wrong, I thought it meant no upvote from Actifit for anyone with less than 10,000 AFIT, @mcfarhat cleared that up for me. I was not complaining, it doesn't hurt me at all, actually I didn't even know about the upvotes when I started using Actifit, more like a challenge to see how much I could walk, then I noticed you could buy a fairly decent upvote with AFIT which made it even better.

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mcfarhat (70) · 5 years ago

hey @dguran,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
New comers will always be able to earn AFIT, some SP, as well as ZZAN and SPORTS tokens. They won t be able to exchange for votes at the time being though unless they have enough AFIT tokens.
I refer you to my prior comment for a more detailed idea about our decision for increasing the threshold https://steemit.com/actifit/@actifit/actifit-daily-increasing-afit-to-upvote-entry-point-automated-transfer-confirmations-daily-updates#@mcfarhat/pwg5iz

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gduran (69) · 5 years ago

Ok, I thought it meant there would be no votes at all for people without 10,000 AFIT, my mistake.

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master1992 (51) · 5 years ago

A great way to try to kill the platform guys. The 10,000 Afit is ridiculously too high and would put alot of people off especially new members. Even at 5,000 Afit, it would be questionable whether it be too high. You have got this massively wrong and I would very strongly urge you to reconsider this course of action. Should this go ahead I would have no option but to leave the platform since the barrier to entry would be so high.

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago

Why? You can still earn AFITs daily and a small upvote from @actifit! Why would a voting bot sway your opinion about the entire @actifit platform? Are you just an upvote whore? Cuz if you are willing to leave actifit just because of that then you really shouldn't be here anyhow. The @actifit platform is about health, not upvotes my friend.. take care and hopefully I will see you around actifit in the future.

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master1992 (51) · 5 years ago (edited)

Such a massive change should have been put to the members first to have a rough idea of what everybody thinks and any concerns that they had. If the upvote has changed I am expecting the ability to move Afit and earn to change as well. Also, why have a system which only a few can use? The best thing about Actifit everybody could have taken part doesn't matter if you were rich or poor, however, I fear the route they are taking only the early members and people with alot can fully use the Actifit platform. Personally myself with this change, I see Actifit going backwards and would seriously harm for the long term. I can see members, especially new ones, leaving the platform as why would you want to be part of something that you cant fully use? This is the reason I said I would leave the platform as I would no longer have faith in the Actifit platform. Also if Actifit does grow and I am wrong they would have to raise it again at some point as would have exactly the same problems so essentially just put a plaster over it instead of finding a long term solution.

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

First of all Actifit is a company and doesn't need your approval for anything! LoL. To think that you (@master1992) or any other member should have some say in what they decide to do on their platform is hilarious! That is like saying Facebook or twitter should listen to its followers demands, ridiculous..

Why are you so consumed with this upvote bot? Why are you mad you might have to invest more time or some money to get to the next level? Isn't that how everything in life works?

You are still receiving AFIT tokens regardless and that is what the @actifit platform is about, AFIT NOT Steem.. I have been with actifit since its first day and there was no upvote bot for well over 6 months and I am still here.. So if you leave because of this then you never really cared about actifit, your health or this community, only yourself.

epicdave (60) · 5 years ago

It's crazy. I'm at just over 8k and didn't expect them to raise the bar this high and to do so soon and without much warning.
Terrible decision.

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mcfarhat (70) · 5 years ago

hey @master1992,
thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
I refer you back to my above reply to a somewhat similar comment https://steemit.com/actifit/@actifit/actifit-daily-increasing-afit-to-upvote-entry-point-automated-transfer-confirmations-daily-updates#@mcfarhat/pwg5iz

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ervin-lemark (71) · 5 years ago (edited)

Upvoted and resteemed. It is an important decision with possible consequences other than sought after.

Opinions on this 10K limit differ which is good.

I don't have a formed opinion since I don't use the feature.

Time will tell...

Have a great Sunday, everyone!

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c4cristi3 (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

10k treshhold ia too high..make it 5k now..increase that in 2-3 months to 10k..don't make such huge changes all of a sudden. You're hurting your community..

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epicdave (60) · 5 years ago

It's the suddenness of it which really bothers me. I'm only at 8.2k. I don't see how this is going to benifet the majority of the users. kinda regretting delegating sp to actifit now.

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

Are you only participating in @actifit because of the voting bot? You do realize you still get paid your daily AFIT tokens and a small upvote from @actifit no matter what your token count right? If you had more than 10k tokens would you even care? Despite what you think ultimately this will help the platform because it will cause demand for AFIT tokens which will make the AFIT token price rise, meaning every token holder will benefit from this! You are so concerned with your own steemit upvotes that you forgot about the entire actifit community!

At current price you could get your 10k mark for 7 Steem or $1.20ish (which you would get back in weighted 2 upvotes) but you are willing to leave @actifit over that.... Not cool friend :(

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mcfarhat (70) · 5 years ago

hey @c4cristi3,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
It is intended to be slightly on the higher end, otherwise it will not have the expected outcome.
I refer you to my prior comment for a more detailed response https://steemit.com/actifit/@actifit/actifit-daily-increasing-afit-to-upvote-entry-point-automated-transfer-confirmations-daily-updates#@mcfarhat/pwg5iz

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fleur (65) · 5 years ago

Actifit was great when I returned to Steemit but the constant moving of goal posts in favour of those with a lot of SP and Actifit / Afit tokens means that those that are new to actifit are less likely to benefit as time goes by 💭.

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mcfarhat (70) · 5 years ago

hey @fleur,
it is true that early adopters are the most beneficial users of a system, if you look at delegation rewards when actifit was kicking off vs now, they were quite massive.
Still, I believe we are still getting started and with more users joining the platform the rewards being distributed will actually be much less, so in that sense you are an early adopter as well :)
Simply we are not moving goal posts, this is simply a threshold to exchange AFIT for STEEM upvotes. You are continuously rewarded with AFIT, ZZAN, SPORTS and some SP.

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moderndayhippie (67) · 5 years ago

Thats how everything works, the people who get in the door first always get the best stuff.. thats life my friend.

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leeart (67) · 5 years ago

Thanks much! Checking my profile now 😁

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runridefly (72) · 5 years ago

@actifit is Awesome!

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sumit71428 (70) · 5 years ago

A much needed update...we really need more such updates.

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g10a (60) · 5 years ago

Much thanks for acknowledging although it's a small value of my SP is being delegated to actifit.

God Bless and more power!

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tattoodjay (73) · 5 years ago

Phew I just scrap in with 10K afit, but cool to see i made it into the top 3 :)

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mansi94 (56) · 5 years ago

Actifit is the best platform in steemit @Actifit

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steemitboard (66) · 5 years ago

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vlemon (76) · 5 years ago (edited)

Great news ! 🙌 and great way to value your token 😉

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