Once upon a a time I got a tip to follow a guy that seemed to give some decent trading analysis. I didn't know much about trading and I though, why not. I followed the account and quickly saw that despite a very large following, he didn't get too much support.
I like to help people out and I spend a fair bit of mental energy piecing together various behaviours to see if I can find cause and effects. I was interested why he wasn't getting more support considering his many, many, followers and thought I could offer some advice.
Now, I post a lot but, this guy was double what I was posting and for the most part, there really wasn't much content involved. I figured it was the frequency holding the value down as most won't vote 10 times a day on one person. I watched a couple days more, voted a bit to lend my support but then started noticing posts that I considered unnecessary. Each was getting between 15 and 40 or so dollars but if, his trading advice was good, he could make a bit more by combining them a little, cut down on work and perhaps avoid the label of spammer.
It was late at night (around 1 am) and I dropped a line in a comment. I said: The frequency of these posts is becoming quite Spammy. Perhaps it wasn't the best approach but, I didn't think much of it. I figured that he would give it a read and perhaps consider what was said, take it or leave it style. He never responded but, a couple hours later as I climbed into bed, a couple of his followers did.
Note: I would also like to add, I don't use "Bra" first, the 'pal' was an edit from 'Bra' after I had answered. Calling someone "Brah" is not my type of language.
After the next comments came, I decided it just wasn't worth it considering the language and grammar and if the guy read and wanted to act on my comments, fine.
I was wrong!!! VERY wrong. Someone would vote on his content 10 times a day. He started getting heavy support from one large whale soon after and soon after that, Bernie started his campaign.
People's behaviours interest me a great deal and although my initial comment may not have been well thought out, the intention was actually there to redirect the course before it led somewhere no one wanted it to go. I had seen similar spammy behaviour grab attention before and if this guy was good, I didn't want him to fall into disrepute.
I put a lot of work into Steemit in both my own content and helping others and I do not think these negative behaviours are great for the overall image of the platform. I also don't think the way it must be dealt with now is a good image builder either but, it has been left too late.
I am pretty decent at putting patterns together and simulating the various paths actions may lead to but, I wonder if I had been less tired or more attentive, would I have been able to word my comment better and perhaps get him to consider actions. I don't actually think so based on behaviour since but, there is still that little question in the back of my head as to whether having seen where it has led, could I have done better?
I have so many questions as to how people behave in this world and how far people are willing to go and how much harm they are willing to do to get what they want. I find the world a very interesting place and I think the enjoyment is only increasing as I dive a little deeper each time into this or that.
I was explaining to a student today about Steemit and the ecosystem being like real life except with glass walls where you can see the best of people and the worst of people. We all have the potential to be on both sides of that equation don't we?
I question myself on this too,. What if it was me to get 10 x 300 dollar posts a day, would I turn it away or would I believe I deserve it? Would I be willing to decline payout on half? Would I be able to comfortably take my earnings while watching so many others struggle without giving anything back? I don't think so but, I am not in that position so it is really hard to say conclusively.
Could I have chosen better words? Yes, but I do not think it would have changed the outcome. I just hope that the overall damage can be minimized and we can all move onto the next drama to arrive.
Taraz
[ a Steemit original ]
I know this is the blockchain and you can find the commenters but, it really isn't worth it.
We have to understand that a lot of money is involved in investments. Advice from a good analyst/trader can make a big difference and haejin used to give private advice to his 5 biggest upvoters. I have done research on TA, wrote my own program for it and i know that certain conditions are worth calling for, he is not bad and his techniques indicate bottoms before actual reversal, a big difference in gains. I am sure this whale is real and is making serious money because of him, that is the very simple reason he votes every post.
It is the designed system, he has the right to do that and haejin has the right to take it out, nobody is breaking rules here.
Sorry to make it this long but you have a rep 70 and you seem not to be prejudged.
Money which is more than survival money always brings the dark out.
I have new faith in SMT's to open up solutions but i will stop taking your time, you can look at my last post if you really want to know this.
Much love bra :-)
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Fuck that man, he was spammy at $40 a post. Stop kidding yourself, that leecher lashed out and if it wasn't you it would have been someone else, those comments seem like quite the defense from his followers, how many times did he comment? and that's not odd... and you know what else is not odd, that it ended with "someone might get the wrong impression", O really, someone might be impresisonable by your comment, as if! How dare you try to speak against spam, because it's not spam (it was spam, it was and still is reward pool rape spam, it was maybe at one point trading advice, but it looks more and more like a good ploy to funnel the rewards under. Who does the fuck think they are entitled to tens of thousands a week every week? You called it out right before someone else was going to say something and it would have ended up exactly the same way because that person is never intent on LISTENING.
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Yeah, I figure the same. I am sure that 'one day' the full truth will be revealed as to what the deal is there but the following accounts are largely full of dust. I am hoping tat the larger whales can just continually take them down to zero. It is a sorry state of affairs really.
btw, thanks for the actual comment, I am tired so I will flag the other ones in the morning ;)
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It's a vicious cycle indeed. I really think that these kinds of abusers should be banished from posting entirely. I think we need to enact a high rep Command Center, where people with over 65 or higher can flag things without using voting power and once you have been flagged below a certain level you won't be able to post anymore or vote, in an ideal situation those accounts could rapidly nuke the account and freeze the funds. Done, no more bullshiting on steem.
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I don't disagree with your sentiment, but what you're suggesting would just move power into few hands, and freezing funds is something that should never be suggested in the cryptocurrency world. A very, very slippery slope
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Here is a rule to reach consensus over freezing funds:
First off, rep would have to actually mean something on the blockchain, and not only a gimic bandaid against spam/porn on the front end. Then you give everyone on the chain the ability to be counted in a consensus, of 2/3rds of the accounts with over 65 reputations. And of course, everyone over 65 has the ability to flag as separate from downvoting, and/or counter-flag content. This way we give the responsibility in the hands of veterans of the platform, which would argue are by and large for conflict resolution and fair play so as to grow the platform and deal DEFINITIVELY with bad actors. As soon as someone uses a FLAG they are Inaugurated into participating in whatever proposal there are which all deal with Policing the Platform and Recovering Lost or Stolen Funds. If they had been active in the last 24 hours and have flagged/counter-flagged or Policed the network in the last week would be the criteria to be counted and only the responsible will be which means that when people petition the people with the power to flag, people ought to either ignore or respond if they have that high of a rep. This pool of eligible participants then gets to agree on a consensus level, so that anyone can initiate a proposal which would be nothing more than a line or two of describing the situation: "such user's funds have been frozen seeking a peaceful resolution to the controversy surrounding the account and the accounts linked to it" and execute the command flagging the funds in the account as frozen. That's that then, the account would be allowed to transact, would not suffer flags even, it simply could not power down or withdraw anything. Or the situation would be more immediate, some rouge account has been flagging stuff without any sense, we initiate the consensus and banish them from such responsibility. They could petition and beg for forgiveness from the network, etc, but they will be forced to open dialogue if they want to move forward. People would treat this place with a lot more respect, they will treat their share with a lot more responsibility, they will not be left defenseless to spam, their voting power won't be wasted on countering one person who went rogue, people would take their responsability at curating and growing the community or will get out. The wild west everyone had a gun, imagine if every responsible veteran has a gun.
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So what if somebody has invested their own funds into Steem, only to have them Frozen shortly afterwards? I'm sorry, but that is a terrible suggestion and would compromise the legitimacy of the whole block chain.
Regardless of whether the reason for freezing is valid or not, it creates a risk that somebody could decide to lock up your funds.
I for one would withdraw everything if they did that.
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Why? It's not "somebody" but 2/3rds of the people who participated in the last week in flagging/counter-flagging. It could be an even larger pool, regardless it's not Someone doing it, it's a whole group of people.
So what if someone has invested their own funds into here only to be frozen shortly? Obviously, if such a thing happens it would be justified and reasoned. What's wrong with punishing the abusers? If someone puts their money into steem does that give them the right to abuse the platform without recourse?
Obviously, there's no risk, not anything that a bank would do, there's no "someone" that would have the power by themselves, there's no reason why the proposal is terrible.
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Flagging is attacking somebody's rewards. It's essentially money that belongs to the platform. Once the reward is paid out, that money then belongs to the person.
To then attack the money that belongs to a person, regardless of who agrees and why, would make a joke of the platform. Why do I care if 2/3 of highly reputable people agreed? I don't know them. I don't know what their motivation is.
Your idea is ridiculous, and it would be the end of Steem as a currency of any legitimacy or value
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I actually think Bernie's actions have changed haejin posts slightly. He has changed his logo to something less aggressive. He seems to have increased the quality of his lowest effort posts. He has also decreased the number of pure click bait Titles suggesting 999% gains. Is that a win? Don't know really what the end game can be. Would be nice if haejin gave out votes to his best comments and pared down to 5 quality posts a day.
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He has spent so little of his massive gains putting votes back into the community I do not think he has any intention of it. If he had aired down early or refused payout on half, he would have likely been left largely alone and still got 11000 SBD a week. It is an extreme amount still for what he offers the community. Will be interesting how it plays out in the long run.
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indeed there are a lot of users of this platform who are providing a really great content but at the same tme they didn't get a high support, i just wonder about these who provide contents about the ideal way to use steemit to earn a higher amount, but they can't even help them selves. have a great time.
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Yeah, the circle jerking self-voting is quite bad, people earn curation rewards, but nooo, that's not enough and then we have people guilt us over judging others over their obvious entitlement to copious amounts of the rewards, how dare you say that he's greedy, you're just jealous. how dare you insinuate he's not entitled to that much, he's an investor, it's his steem power! This behavior is noxious and the stink is that donkey.
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I only arrived in January. That whole mess made me ill. I finally blocked and muted him. I feel a lot better about steemit now. But then, I'm crazy.
@Lahvista
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There is nothing that you could have said that would have changed any of his actions. Think that most of us give more weight to how much influence we have over others.
I think that if we pulled the curtain back we would find out that either that massive upvote is paid for or a duplicate account. Don't see how anyone gives away all the votes to one person over and over.
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I am predicting paid for or a collusion
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I would agree. If paid for after enough downvotes there will be massive lost money and just maybe it will put an end to it. Then again with the massive profits made over the last months it will take continued efforts.
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I've suspected for a while that bernie is not a friend. there is a reason he has -17 reputation. he stirs things up, and not to a good end. he is making ridiculous amount just posting about it, as if that has value.
but suppose i'm a bit bitter, he used randowhale to downvote a post of mine. he literally is not interested in any dissenting opinion.
if we step back, and just imagine billionaires and how they would go about screwing up something like steemit, creating a 'war' is exactly what they'd do, seek to divide and conquer, just like everything else.
who else has the insane resources to just piss away on this guy's account. he has legitimacy because of bernie. he has legitimacy because of this one guy giving him a ton of votes, and we don't know anything about that guy.
that is very suspect, in a world like this, to have just random ultra-rich whales giving away their money to some crappy analysis. and he has never defended it to my knowledge.
i dunno, i have a hard time believing someone got rich by being stupid. he is probably collected 50% or something with a backroom deal.
i don't see anyone saying this, and it is all speculation, but the current context leaves little for actual analysis... even with the open blockchain.
thanks for your posts as always, makes one think. peace.
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he is not giving away his money, he is providing access to the public pool. He still holds his SP.
Something like that.
There are plenty saying it.
From what I know, your suspicions are likely incorrect.
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i hope you are right on the last point.
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Sounds like you got caught in the whale war crossfire.
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No, this was a couple weeks before it started ;)
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Ah you're like the Gavrilo Princip of the Steem whale wars
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lol :D
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Excellent publication, thanks for sharing
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Good job man
It's very nice having someone like you on the steem blockchain.
Not money 💰 conscious, no spamming, writing your own words, helping the minnows grow and following all rules. You are just awesome.
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Also i have seen post with good ideas and great research been under supported and underrated
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Money curupts all.
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Support! I think it's all about the rewards for both poster and followers. In one of your posts, i got the hint that people can now make endless number of posts in a day. that is appalling. Previously, I heard 3, then 4.
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Ho God There are Lot More Spamers Here.Im a Newbee Here Dont Know Much.Following You Sir.
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Yeah typing is not talking. Thats why I use ebonics. :). So I"m understood! Just kidding. Thanks for sharing you sleepy blooper. Funny! Joy
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Is good to always give advice because the person might not have noticed that he isn't getting much support despite the huge follower. I could see someone agreed with you 100% and that should be able to make him limit the post and further combine them in one post which will make more sense
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SORRY I WAS HACKED
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Good post
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Sorry
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what is this....?
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SORRY I WAS HACKED
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