A whitelist would be a huge undertaking and would require endless maintenance and would require just as much work policing content as if I actively read all 400-600+ posts a day we receive.
RE: If you don't use the bidbots then the shitposters will win!
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If you don't use the bidbots then the shitposters will win!
I do agree that there needs to be quality moderation for upvote bots, but it only works if ALL of them offer it, or if no one delegates to the ones that don't have some kind of moderation scheme in place.
One way to deal with shotpost upvoters is require registration and account "approval" process to prevent shitposter accounts from using the votebot. But again, that only works if ALL the teams running bots started doing that.
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That doesn't work either, all you have to do is submit one good post and be approved, then you are free to shit post. The post doesn't even have to be authentic, just pass the approval process. The solution is to police every link.
I'm already losing money paying everything I make back to pay rent, there is no way I can manage that nightmare of a problem.
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That's a flawed moderation system. How about: only accounts that are over a month old, have rep above 25 (haven't fucked anything up in a month) and have an introduction / verification post. Hell, steem.global asks for a selfie in a comment thread to prevent abuse of the faucet. Asking for users to register and have some kind of proof of consistency in quality isn't much to ask for.
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Then why are you still doing the bidbot? Sounds like time to cut losses and move on to a better business model.
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It offers a valuable service to new users who are struggling. We also offer a lot more than just a bid bot.
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Who actually buys that line? Wouldn't honest curation being managed with delegated SP provide 100X the benefit, encouragment, direction and oversight??
Buying bids only provides an endorphin service to struggling new users. Minnowbooster is good if used by honest content creators because it gives an ROI that is calculable(115%+) AND all the added visibility benefits(on those rare occations it moves a post up into visibility).
I contrast, 90% of the time bid bots have you breaking even or losing on an immediate ROI.
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Coming from someone who says they don't use bid bots, I find this questionable.
These are my bid windows, every time a window is below $130 people make money, even after curation rewards. Every time it is below $125 or so, I lose money due and can't cover my weekly rent. So yeah, your 90% number is a number you pulled out of your ass. Factor in I have a lot of voters that come around prior to our vote adds, even more, votes and more ROI that is hard to measure. So the break-even for end users is even lower. Factor in we provide a big exposure boost with our daily Curation Digest and even additional votes to quality content, and we also give away $100+ votes in the Author of the Day program for our favorite content, the ROI is further increased to the end users favor.
How's that for transparency?
The "instant ROI" is the entitlement attitude that is popular on Steemit. Do you get any ROI from Promote? People pay upwards of $300 to get on the promoted page, with $0 return back. Most people on promoted never come close to breaking even for how much they spend to promote a post. Why do you think sending $10 to one person should get you $20 back? Bots are not cash machines, they are promotion tools.
Wait, Minnowbooster gives add visibility benefits but other bots don't? I think my users would beg to differ.
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Still havent even tried to respond to this: "Wouldn't honest curation being managed with delegated SP provide 100X the benefit, encouragment, direction and oversight??"
Because you know it is true.
"Wait, Minnowbooster gives add visibility benefits but other bots don't?"
Again, selectively choosing to see and respond to what you want to respond to, not to what I actually said: "(on those rare occations it moves a post up into visibility)"
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No, I don't know it to be true, but it isn't an easy answer. Who do you pick to do it, how do you police it? It's a complicated issue without a simple answer. It is also not the only solution nor something that has to happen in isolation. Not to mention your asking people to give up stake they paid for with no benefit to them. Not going to happen.
I responded to everything, I just left out the top section which I just responded to because I felt it wasn't a simple answer and it is under the assumption people will give up millions of dollars with of stake for some people to use as they see fit with no return on investment. Sure it sounds nice, but it also sounds like "never going to happen". So I figured I'd answer what I can.
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Which is why 25-50% of all whale Steem Power would need to be delegated to small curators (on 30, 90 or 120 day periods) in order to spread out the work of curating quality content.
If all the large sp holders prefer immediate profit than platform performance, then a whitelist is the only other ethical solution I can think of.
If you are okay with spam winning the day, then, by all means just keep doing everything as is now and await a HF magical unicorn to save the day.
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