Important Changes to Steemit.com and Wallet

whatsup (75) · 6 years ago (edited)

Hopefully, you realize you just locked a lot of people out of their wallets who will have no idea and no help from the UI to figure out which keys to use and whether or not they have the correct keys logged somewhere.

The first to be impacted will be stakeholders and investors who rely on wallet transactions to run their businesses.

It's an inconvenience to most of us. For some it will be overwhelming.

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roadscape (64) · 6 years ago

The way the change was implemented on the social side makes it easy to download a PDF containing all your private keys with a description of what each one does. It was implemented directly on the social site so that users which have their master password saved in the browser don't have to dig in their browser/OS settings to retrieve it. It's difficult to get users to adopt safe practices around key handling; the goal is that the downloadable PDF provides a safe way to backup all the keys and make it more straightforward to use the lowest-security key on the social site as well as the wallet. There are big tradeoffs between security and convenience and we are open to feedback on any ways to bridge the gap. Thank you for your feedback.

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whatsup (75) · 6 years ago

The security was fine for 3 years.
So, it wasn't about security, it was about the ads which is fine as long as you aren't disingenuous about it.

Really what could have been handled better was the preparations.

A notice of when it was going to drop and help on the UI's of both screens would have helped a lot. Many users aren't on discord and don't read many of the updates posted since they are written in tech talk and don't speak to exactly the audience that you needed to reach.

Anyway, what is done is done it's about Damage control now. Par for the course.

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smooth (70) · 6 years ago (edited)

The security was fine for 3 years

Nah, it really wasn't. There was a massive (relative to the size of the site at least) hack three years ago specifically because of keys being the browser. The mechanism was changed a bit and might be a little better but the fundamental vulnerability remains. It is good that Steemit is being pro-active on this instead of waiting for another incident.

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11 votes

whatsup (75) · 6 years ago (edited)

You do realize the accounts that were negatively impacted are mainstream users who are using the Internet exactly the way they use pretty much every site they go to.

Most of them have no idea what key they saved and why they have 4 of them.

In addition... you anal security freaks. They have very small accounts and don't yet have to be concerned. Just as my knowledge grew, so did my understanding of how and why I should protect my account.

If you webstie requires a half an hour training course to log in you might be failing. :)

For one site to decide to sacrifice user experience without the slightest thought on impact shows why crypto in general is not ready for mainstream and how Steem is moving away from being mainstream friendly and away from being an onboarding or gateway platform.

The timing and the fact I had ads 2 seconds after they dropped the code is a pretty clear indicator of why they choose to do this now.

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12 votes

stevesmithagain (46) · 5 years ago

I’m one of those who still haven’t got a handle on the whole key thing.
What a cluster pluck I had. Fortunately, the nice folks who run this place let me start over. This time I took photos and copied and pasted the damn keys all over.
So now, if I want to log in on another machine,...... I don’t even bother trying. It never seems to work. But that’s okay. I’m taking a Lion’s Mane supplement these days so I expect to be smarter any time now.

I said the first time I joined Steemit that I wasn’t here to make money. It’s the whole freedom and no censorship thing that appeals to me.

So, basically I agree with you.

ourfreesociety (47) · 5 years ago

And this is why a few weeks aback I decided Steemit isn't for me & I haven't been back since until today.

Instead of me making an effort, I will only come on here when I have something written up on another site & just copy it over to here.

After I tried to get over 200 people leaving FB to come here & join & not ONE of them did, I realized Steemit doesn't really care at all, & this is a site purely for the geeks, NOT for regular lay people.

A shame.

I'm trying to make an effort on MeWe, but they are no longer responding to my e-mails & I think all the spammers went over there since I got almost 100 fake profiles trying to add me as a friend within 3 days.

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roadscape (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

Master password needs to be phased out for several reasons, one of which is that it derives to the owner key (which is meant to be entirely offline) yet many users continue to use it for logging in to Steemit.com, as well as a number of other apps. So this change had to happen at any rate. We did step up our communication for the rollout (many posts over the last few months) but it's evident it was not enough. While we don't anticipate any changes as big as this one anytime soon, we will keep all the feedback in mind as we proceed. The benefits of limiting the social site to posting key only are numerous. There are many other features we've had to postpone or reject due to security concerns. This change allows us to move faster, safely, and add more features that users expect from a social network.

eddard (60) · 6 years ago

Why not 2-FA
And a password that could be remembered would be so much easier

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roadscape (64) · 6 years ago

2FA+password could be a solution in the future but it's much more complex from an engineering standpoint. Initially on Steemit.com you could simply set your own password, but we had to disable this. Many users had guessable passwords like password and got compromised. Then we raised the requirement to 16 characters; users were not happy, and it still wasn't enough. E.g. passwordpassword. Generally speaking, if you can remember your private key (password), then it's not secure.

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amethystmidnight (62) · 6 years ago

In my honest opinion, if users are stupid enough to make easily guessable passwords, then they should get compromised. Teach people a damn lesson to do things for themselves and be smart.

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tntdabomb (62) · 6 years ago

I still can't distinguish the differences between a master password and the owner key. Too many keys, but it does make me feel safer to have all these options.

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woodywood143 (63) · 5 years ago

Take a look at the 3rd party tracking cookies your picking up from all these ads, might make you reconsider that statement.

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masaitv (41) · 6 years ago

Just so you know I am unable to access my wallet so that means I cannot get to the Permissions to get my posting key, what the hell can I do now? I am only able to access Busy.org I find this to be highly disrespectful!

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marvyinnovation (51) · 5 years ago

Hi @masaitv,

Please watch the Steem basics video posted above between the 1:21 and 2:21 minutes duration. Here you will be taught to go to the exact location of the keys and the names of the keys and their special uses.

IF YOU GO THERE, YOU WILL FIND THE LIST OF POSTING KEY, ACTIVE KEY, OWNER KEY AND MEMO KEY.

TO PERFORM THE WALLET-RELATED OPERATIONS, YOU NEED TO USE THE "ACTIVE KEY," WHICH IS ALLOTTED FOR YOUR ACCOUNT.

Hope this clarifies your doubt.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usability_testing

artopium (66) · 6 years ago (edited)

whatsup (75) · 6 years ago (edited)

Well that seems a little overboard.

Do you need any help?

I can walk you through it if you are on discord. My name and avatar are the same there.

Or here is a link to our chat channel. I'd be happy to help if you need it. :)

!dramatoken

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usability_testing

artopium (66) · 6 years ago (edited)

I figured it out. But as someone who does Information Architecture for a living, it's clear to me that Steemit inc HAS NEVER HEARD OF USABILITY TESTING, and therefore it's a complete wonder how they will stay in business. This total fuck up may very well seal the deal for many that have been thinking of jumping this ship.

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8 votes

frankbacon (65) · 6 years ago

They stay in business because they have NO Customers who they're accountable to.

wikitextbot (46) · 6 years ago

Usability testing
Usability testing is a technique used in user-centered interaction design to evaluate a product by testing it on users. This can be seen as an irreplaceable usability practice, since it gives direct input on how real users use the system. This is in contrast with usability inspection methods where experts use different methods to evaluate a user interface without involving users.
Usability testing focuses on measuring a human-made product's capacity to meet its intended purpose.

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mysearchisover (70) · 6 years ago

Doesn't everyone need their master password? I was told that we could be in serious trouble if we lose that.

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whatsup (75) · 6 years ago

Yes you need to keep the master.

I think it could be debated which is more dangerous from a security point of view. Switching entering passwords ... vs. saving them. In addition obviously based on the comments, some are not that happy with the pdf option either.

I'm not sure if I like a website telling me what compromises I should make for security.

Also people should not be encouraged to log in with their Master.

silvertop (78) · 6 years ago

Hi @whatsup I just need clarification on the new wallet, they want you to apparently set a password in the wallet. Do you know if setting a wallet password will require resetting all my keys, or will it automatically reset all my keys? I don't want to go down this path!
There is no one talking on Discord or anywhere on Steem about this!!
Until I really know what this changes I will just keep using Steempeak and Busy, wallets apparently still work just fine with Steemconnect.
Newbies will be so lost, they really need to explain this better!!

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happyme (68) · 6 years ago

I have not checked for changes, but the last time they announced the condenser split, I tried out the new wallet site and it worked just fine using my old active key, so I expect you should NOT need to change or set any new passwords. Just try logging in to the wallet site with your usual active key and see what happens.

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lewisjfclarke (56) · 6 years ago

I couldn't have put this better myself. I definitely feel like I'm playing catch up at the best of times and I couldn't have picked a better word than 'overwhelming'.

I hope this becomes easier to comprehend as time passes, and for the amount of money I have on this site (and the amount I earn) I look at all of these passwords I have to remember and think "Is it really worth it...?"

whatsup (75) · 6 years ago

I bet a lot of people will consider that.
The only thing I would say, is the STEEM economy is better at providing delayed gratification than instant gratification.

Meaning as time goes on both knowledge and income go up, which reduces the effort vs. reward factor.

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lewisjfclarke (56) · 6 years ago

I hope that is the case. I always feel like I am getting somewhere, then someone else explains to me how things work and confuses the hell out of me again.

We'll see what happens, but at the moment I have very little motivation to keep using this site in regards to effort vs rewards (Not just money; interaction, friendships, possible traffic towards my books, etc...) Don't get me wrong I have spent a LARGE amount of time on this platform, but at the moment I am learning to read Cyrillic as well as writing another book, and it is getting to the stage where I'm getting bored of focusing my energy into this site hoping something will shift, and when people move the goalposts and make it more confusing it makes me wonder why I am trying to learn all of this Steemit stuff...

rossfletcher (69) · 6 years ago

It is overwhelming for me. I've been trying to manually enter it and get invalid password every time. It's exhausting. So i'm not good at this. That's true. what to do? I'm reading all these comments and just lost.

whatsup (75) · 6 years ago

How can I help?

You can go to busy.org or if you have your master login to the wallet with it and get them all at once.

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whatsup (75) · 6 years ago

Prior to the change how did you login? What browser do you use?

Let's start with what worked for you.

Feel free to hit me up on discord if you don't want to put this on the blockchain

Don't be embarrassed, if this had happened earlier, I would have been overwhelmed also.

rossfletcher (69) · 6 years ago

Firefox. I must have saved the logins there on firefox a long time ago and then never thought about again. Never had any problem but knew somehow i was not really understanding what was really happening.

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practicalthought (65) · 6 years ago

I agree. Even the sticky they have at the side doesn't mention the wallet, just says the social condenser is live. I discovered it on accident clicking on their blog to look at the older announcement on wallets after clicking on mine to collect rewards and having to log in again, then being locked out of Steemit and having to log in again to get back on the site. They might want to change the title to this post to indicate it addresses the wallet and we will be needing to log in several times now due to different sites.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@therealwolf/steemit-wallet-passwords-and-private-keys

therealwolf (75) · 6 years ago (edited)

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whatsup (75) · 6 years ago (edited)

I'm glad you feel good about it. You will be the first to feel the impact

I get what you are saying, I've been here for 3 years. I wouldn't have had a clue what you are talking about for the first year.

I'm sitting in a discord trying to help someone who has also been around for a while and had his password saved. He has no idea which one to use where and how to sort this out on his various accounts.

The UI doesn't give any help.. a red box... anything.

Believe me I hope you are right and I am wrong.

therealwolf (75) · 6 years ago

I haven’t tested a login via password, but if I understood it correctly, the popup should show up which allows the user to download the PDF. Did he download that one? Is there enough info? If not, this has to be improved.

If it’s a general knowledge problem, then we need to educate people.

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whatsup (75) · 6 years ago

Reduce Cognitive Overload. ;)

I'm fine with it, I just wanted to notify SteemIt, Inc that many users have no idea what happened.
They have no clear path to help.
And yes there is a pdf if you try to log in with the wrong key, that lists the keys... all of them without any tips. :)
I'm just watching in amusement. I am not overly upset. I expect that will come when no one can figure out how to send wallet transactions. :)

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therealwolf (75) · 6 years ago

I actually didn’t expect that there are still users who are primarily using the password or aren’t aware what the posting/active keys are. I thought that’s basic knowledge by now (honestly) - but yeah, I’ve been heavily involved with Steem. So there’s a big knowledge difference.

But anyway, I’m sure that steemit inc would highly appreciate your experience of what kind of problems people have to get into steemitwallet.

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whatsup (75) · 6 years ago

The biggest issue is with people who have one password saved and now the site wants them to use "the right one".
Do they know which one goes where? (how do they know?)
Do they know where they have them stored?

A good thing they did is allow the pdf download but it offers them no assistance in why or which key.

The first impact I can predict will show if users are struggling is a reduction in wallet transactions. Depending on what key they have saved they should have access to either the wallet or the site. They likely will not know which one to use where.

Testing generally involves testing some various levels of users to ensure that changes are intuitive and people have the ability to either find help or troubleshoot.

Again, I'm not angry or trying to be rude. I don't think anyone, even those of us who looked at it expected it to go live in the middle of the day on a Wednesday without any preparation.

It will sort out and is not the end of the world, but again, a bit messy.

crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Dear @whatsup

A gree with you,

I can only hope that they will realize that they just delivered heavy blow to their own platform and thousands of users will be affected. This will cause chaos on this platform :/

It's an inconvenience to most of us. For some it will be overwhelming.

It really bloody is. Steem wallet lost most of it's functionality in my opinion. Even refreshing is logging me out :/

Yours, Piotr

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hawgwild (36) · 6 years ago

Ya what you said . Is this a scam or ,what maybe we should quit while we're ahead.

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whatsup (75) · 6 years ago

There is no part of me that thinks this is a scam.

I do think there is an intelligent group of people trying to make thoughtful decisions on how to improve things.

They are missing experience (and the willingness to admit it) to deal with end-users and consider the impact of their changes.

soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Some are apparently seeing ads, I don't, because I use Brave Browser.

So for users: go download Brave Browser.
For Steemit, Inc: get yourself verified as a Brave publisher :-)

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cryplectibles (69) · 6 years ago

Please all who check out the Brave Browser remember that it so far is a fairly centralized situation with requiring the user to sign up to only one choice of exchange. I wish more people would be vocal about this. Can be a huge thing for cryptocurrency if they would decentralize what they are doing.

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5 votes

bobinson (63) · 6 years ago

Very valid point - but due to the nature of advertising and the TPS required it will be very difficult for them to decentralize the whole operations IMHO. Few months ago there was a discussion with the founder over twitter on the same lines.

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rishi556 (62) · 6 years ago

Or use steempeak.

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ackza (72) · 6 years ago (edited)

Or just come onto https://steemspeak.com DIscord @steemspeak NOT steempeak
or here is the direct discord invite https://discord.gg/FEK2ynq

You gotta put some Respect on our necks

we are not steemPEAK its steemSPEAK a discord server, other only one people use when they have problems.... one of the only live 24/7 support discords, unlike most other steem discords where people are bored are are not there, but theers always someone on steemspeak

EOS has actual Hip Hop music videos , unlike steem where I send the money to pay for one and never get one.

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dayshot (49) · 6 years ago

Why like this?

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ana-maria (64) · 6 years ago

Because he put a wrong link. The correct one is: https://steempeak.com/ (without additional "S" in between Steem and Peak).

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ackza (72) · 6 years ago

No you dumb bitch, its a discord server established years before steempepak, ytou stupid bitch
https://steemspeak.com its just a fucking discord server, dont be afraid, here its not a security risk either @dayshot
https://discord.gg/FEK2ynq

its @fyrstikken 's discord STEEM SPEAK not Steempeak u dumb bitch

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ana-maria (64) · 6 years ago

Oh, come on - there is really no need for such language, I really thought it's just a typo.

ackza (72) · 6 years ago (edited)

Well now you know that you arent always right, and yes this is the Internet a BOYS club where we did ALL the work and then you girls want to just come in one day when you see theres some money to be made, and you wanna co0me in here and tell me about langauge on a free speech centered blockchain?

Seriously this is not twitter, and you need to remember steemit is not gonna just coast along ...

your gonna deal with me and any other voices in here because this is steem, and il fucking pay to push this comment to #1 on steem for a week if i want

These are words, text, and if your offended by the 5 letters B I T C H then fuck you, i dont care, stop offending yourself imagining me yelling at you, im just pushing buttons and you are just reading squiggly lines on a screen

none of this matters while we are bleeding users and investors to bitcoin, steem is not gonna go up with bitcoin unless poeople can actually signup

ned hasnt even sponsored the creatoion of a instant account faucet so peopel can sdignup same day liek if they have reddit or facebook accounts

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Also a good suggestion. For now Google search and other ‘links’ often point to steemit.com though, so I still use it a lot :-)

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khaleelkazi (75) · 6 years ago

Could also open the post from google and then use the amazing @steem-plus quick switcher function to easily switch interfaces :)

I agree, Steemit should become a verified publisher. It’s relatively easy (a lot of verification steps) but once you’re set up you’ll be able to collect monthly payments/tips from users of the brave browser. Highly underrated, I’m glad I took the time to add it to my own site! Brave ads in the future will allow users to opt-in and then we’re off to the 🌙

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andrarchy (72) · 6 years ago

Good thinking!

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

I believe Brave (and BAT) has a bright future ahead of them, can't hurt to use what they are offering!

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9 votes

ackza (72) · 6 years ago (edited)

Yes a bright future for MEOS browser and hopefully a steemk browser like @eesteem.surfer to completly copy and anihilate OR, Brave HAS to conmvert to EOS as i believe they will be anyway

but steem coul dhave a browser, i dont see why we cant start replacing ALL google ads wioth steem based ads, from dclick.io and we can replace google if everyone stops using chrome and uses or steem based bowser... or brave.. which i just started trying today... i cant complain when a browser helps me make crypto... needs to be eos based tho now .... and steemians need a browser to compeet with brave

ned needs to support that Worker proposal when i make it to fund a brave browser alternative that uyses steem and that has just limited steem functionality so we dont sacrifice steem... it can be just a brave browser clone but with steem and with all the steem dapps built in etc . can load emn on a Steem Pi Rasberry pi by default

HEY IF STEEMIT INC doenst have to fix THEIR mistakes, Why should i fix my typos?!!?!?!

:( :( IMA GO CRY IN THE POOL NOW :( ;;;........

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cryptogee (75) · 6 years ago

Thanks for the heads up @soyarosa, I use ad blocker so don't see anything. I'm just gutted that the whole reason Steemit was set up in the first place has been thrown away.

I wonder if they've had the goddamned common decency to at least take out the bit in the Whitepaper where it says Steemit will not be like the others and won't exploit you by making ad revenue on your content.

fredkese (69) · 6 years ago

My laptop is just 4gb ram. Twice I've installed brave browser, and it made my laptop very slow so I had to uninstall both times.

joeyarnoldvn (61) · 6 years ago

Does Firefox make your computer slow like Brave did? I tried Brave, Vivaldi, and other web browsers but I prefer Firefox. I use it on Ubuntu (my OS).

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movingman (69) · 6 years ago (edited)

I've switched to brave since reading about it months back, and its usually smooth, was using firefox but decided to support brave and bat so I switched and only sometimes I need to use chrome for certain things.

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ackza (72) · 6 years ago

Bro, v@ned should have already made a partnership with Brave, OR found a way tpo support @esteem.surfer more to make iut a fuill browser, we should all have steem email addresses and we shoudl all be using our own steem browser, replacing all google ads with steem ads from @dclick i mean we could replace adsense ads for all of our users.,.. steemians are ready to use a steem browser... and Brave is a Proof that yes you CAN make a new browser.... i mean chrome is all based on what was once all open source stuff anyway right? Where is our Steem Browser... well I mean they cant even make an App... Why cant Steemit fire everyone and pay contractors who knwow hat they are doing?

All @ned has to do is spend the money on an actual consultant and app developer who knows how to actually develop a nice app... honestly Ive seen developers come into steem and basically learn everything in a few weeks and then build something in a few months.... developers LOVE learning steem when they are real pro FOSS and are the types who like using GIMP over Photoshop

steemians are the types who dont mind putting up with a few extra steps. So we really should all be uysing a steem version of brave...

OR AT LEAST we should just use Brave, and with that $70 a year we can earn , estimated $200 they can make next year...and then use that to buy steem... I feel like theer are dozens of things everyone looking for work at home gigs could use, and pI think there's a way for everyone to earn an extra $1000 a year to be saved in a nest egg.... Godang imagine if your steem Wallet actually helped you save money and had pop ups showing you hoiw much you COULD save etc , id love constant reminders on my wallet showing me how much I could have if i save a certain amount oif steem every day ...

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foreveraverage (64) · 6 years ago

While I enjoy Brave myself, promoting it in this topic is rather misplaced. It's like asking Coca-Cola employees to drink Mountain Dew

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andrarchy (72) · 6 years ago

As an employee of Steemit I strongly disagree. We are two very different protocols offering two very different value propositions. Clearly, a lot of Steemians like Brave's product offering and we shouldn't ignore that there is a way for all of us to benefit from working together. The beauty of open source is that we can all benefit by working together. Brave is trying to be a next generation browser and ad network through the integration of blockchain technology. We are trying to be the best blockchain for powering web applications. There's no reason those two projects can't work together synergistically. Who knows, if we support them, maybe they'll switch from Ethereum to Steem ;). Open Source development is not about "us v. them" it's about "us + them."

Thanks so much for your participation in this valuable conversation. While I disagree with you, I am so glad that you thoughtfully engaged on this topic. I'm not even saying I'm right, I'm just glad we're having a constructive conversation :). Thanks again!

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glenalbrethsen (68) · 6 years ago

Okay, @soyrosa. I opted to the Brave browser just now because I do like using Steemit for a lot of things, but having ads everywhere was getting to me quick. :)

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trayan (62) · 6 years ago

hah i also use brave and send bat to my website :) it's just they're doing airdrops often :)
some of us also won their first internet money, clicking ads :) and this is being said to come soon with BAT :)

soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Good for you! I love the Brave experience - they have a bright future ahead of them.

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glenalbrethsen (68) · 6 years ago

The BAT has been going up, which is kind of cool. I would like the Brave browser to be more than just the browser, though. Any idea when they'll have more sites ready to accept the BAT, or when we'll be able to earn them through ads or something else?

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reseller (74) · 6 years ago (edited)

I thought this was a PHISH earlier. Had me asking around.Can't you use KEYCHAIN for this? Why does this feel so dirty?

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12 votes

ackza (72) · 6 years ago (edited)

Yeah man, um, I just found out that now that they have us using a fucking posting key for a wallet site, no one can get into their internal market... wow, just retarded...

Im glad I have vessel, the new wallet page doenst even work or send money, wow good job @ned again you showed your front end people seem to not even use steemit ... how can i go into my permission page now when its using a posting key, how can people even get their active key/ LOL this is a MESS

Yeah man, um, I just found out that now that they have us using a fucking posting key for a wallet site, no one can get into their internal market... wow, just retarded...

I ride around with a dumb bitch (Steemit) Only cuz im stupid rich 9In steem-engine tokens

What the fuck is wrong with you @ned You just locked out Most of your own users from using the steemit wallet. Who the fuck is in charge if this update? Fire them immediately. Ned you have to hire from within if your incapable of finding anyone who even knows how steemit works. Youre just fucked up steemit in a CENTRALIZED way because you demand to keep stemit this nasty central front end so when it stops working, steem crypto currency ESSENTIAL stops working because most whales use steemut.com, you YOU ned REFUSE to do the work to actually fucking PROMOTE OFFICIALLY wallets like VESSEL which YOU SHOULD have made the OFFICIAL steem desktop wallet a LONG time ago YEARS ago but you are doing WHAT? WHO KNOWS

What the fuck is wrong with you @ned why are you so complacent? Dont you wonder why every other altcoin is up 20-30% and Steem started goinG DOWN today?

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

You can sign into the wallet with any of your keys, have you tried it? And as always, your active will be used to make transactions. :)

There is a suggestion in the box to log in with your "posting" key, I assume to get users in the habit of using it. Then when you go to complete a transaction that requires a higher key, it prompts you to do so.

I just went through the whole process to walk through it.. seems pretty straight forward, just something new we have to get used to.

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isarmoewe (64) · 6 years ago

So you can login to the wallet with your posting key also? I didn't try it (why should I if I want to retrieve rewards only? ;))

I think it's pushing users away from steemit.com and its wallet a little more.

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

You can log into the wallet with any key. The goal is to always use the lowest authority key possible on each action. So, you only need your posting key to login and see your wallet. If you attempt a transaction that requires a higher authority (as example a transfer) it simply prompts you to enter the specific key. It’s pretth straightforward but I’m sure will take some getting used to.

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ackza (72) · 6 years ago

Um you can log in with a posting to to the wallet SURE but you cant SEND ANY STEEM or SBD unless you alrteady have your active key

Ive already been using vessel this whole time, i have 10 ways to use steem, im being agry for all the VOICLESS users who ARENT as adepted at steem as I am

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

You have ALWAYS needed your active key to SEND ANY STEEM and many other transactions. So, as someone who also tries to be the voice of the community and ensure the information is out there in a way they understand, I felt the need to correct your statement.. as it was incorrect.

Thanks for showing your distaste for facts by flagging my comment though.. it's clear you are only here to scream and give false information.

So sorry I interrupted, carry on.

technium (58) · 6 years ago

I cant sign in my password is saved in a browser extension that only works when its on steemit.com halp me how do I move chromes password autofill to the new website??

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

You will have to manually enter your password (or copy/paste) just as you did the first time you entered the steemit website. Then your browser will give you the option to save your password for the steemitwallet.com site, which you then can do for future use.

Let me know if you have any further questions. You can find me on discord, telegram etc with the same name.

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sunsethunter (62) · 6 years ago

How do I now find my posting key?
I can’t find where to download a pdf of my keys?
I used to find these under the wallet tab but now this has changed I can’t find it.,.. any help?
Thanks :) 🌅

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ats-david (74) · 6 years ago

Couple of problems here...

First of all, when you click on your "wallet," you're taken to the new site...and then you can't go back when you click the back button.

Fix that.

Secondly - when you try to change your profile settings/info, you need to go to your wallet to do that. So you're not separating the social part of the site from the wallet. And then, to make things even soooooo much "better," when you change your profile info via the wallet site, it only changes that info on your wallet site, not your actual social media profile on Steemit.com.

Fix that.

Once again, in your attempt to make things "better" and "safer," you've made things more complicated, more broken, and not actually "safer" at all, because now you need to sign your keys more often just to view/adjust the same things you could do before on one site.

So, congratulations. At least your "development" is consistent, even if horrid.

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18 votes

pjau (63) · 6 years ago

You stole this text from my brain. How did you get the private key to my brain!!!! Am I being haxxored by this new update!!!!

HELP MEEE!! 😂

Serious Part Below

But yeah, so far this update is REALLY annoying me, I'm so in the habit of clicking wallet, but now I do that I'm stuck on this new website, no integration to the blogging part. At least set the html target to open a new tab?

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10 votes

conformity (74) · 6 years ago

You can't go from your wallet and back to steemit seemlessly like before! Having to open a new tab is a right pain in the the ass.
If it ain't broke don't fix it! Springs to mind.

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therealwolf (75) · 6 years ago

The wallet is now a separate website. I can understand that it feels clunky at first, being used to have things in one website, but give it some time and I’m sure you’ll get used as well.

It’s actually very similar as if you’d use a local wallet (like vessel or a local condenser). Also keep in mind that ease of use and security-first don’t always go hand in hand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usability_testing

artopium (66) · 6 years ago (edited)

@Steemitblog, please take the time to get aquainted with these concepts as these are important tools missing from your tool belt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_architecture

apolymask (67) · 6 years ago (edited)

This new change has been a little confusing, but I think it's a positive change. There's been a lot of people who got phished and lost money by logging into steemit with their master key and accidentally gave it to hackers by clicking on corrupt links, now that looks like that won't be a problem anymore.

WHAT IF I HADN'T???? I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET IN!!!!

You can find your posting key in your wallet by clicking on the keys and permissions tab.

Edit: now that I've calmed down I have somewhat figured it out: gotta have TWO FUCKING KEYS TO ACCESS MY SHIT. FUCKING DUMB!!!!

It's been suggested for a long time, I think since the very beginning to use your posting key to post and to not use your main key, so.. For many of us we were already using two separate keys. It's not dumb in my opinion especially as someone who runs a community where you can give people permission to post but not to withdraw from the wallet.

POWER DOWN PEOPLE. THIS BOAT IS SINKING.

It really seems like you're blowing this out of proportion, it's a relatively minor change that I think will save a lot of people a lot of money by preventing them from getting phished/hacked in the future and if you dislike it so much you can always use busy.org or steempeak as well or partiko or one of the other front ends. Steem is so much more than just the front end you use to access the block chain.

silvertop (78) · 6 years ago

Please put out an easy to understand instruction post about this new steemitwallet.com
I have no idea about the password, there is no explanation about it.
if i set a wallet password will this require a change of all my keys????

truce (73) · 6 years ago

Use your POSTING KEY to log into steemit.com and when you click the wallet tab, it takes you to steemitwallet.com to access wallet functions. Use your ACTIVE KEY to login to steemitwallet.com, they just separated the wallet function and made it a different site to help security.

silvertop (78) · 6 years ago

I was wondering about the wallet password they want you to set, this is new. Will setting a password cause a reset of your keys????

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englishtchrivy (72) · 6 years ago (edited)

I didn't upvote this post because you declined payment anyway. Thanks for informing us anyway.

No disrespect to you or anything like that but it feels like "the government" here already.

Although several witnesses did mention about the changes that's going to happen, there was no public consensus (are we supposed to just accept everything from you nowadays?)nor PRIOR AND PROPER ANNOUNCEMENTS on HOW THIS NEW WALLET OPERATES nor an idiot proof post on HOW THIS NEW WALLET OPERATES has been written.

Please be reminded that many Steemians don't have English as their first languages so please make posts like this on layman's terms, we already are aware that you're all smarty pants, tech savy and intelligent. The words in CAPS are just highlighted words, not yelling btw.

So, please let me clarify a few things because your post just kind'a declared that there's a new wallet and that we only need to use our posting key to post in Steemit.

To claim rewards we have to log into our wallet yes? That we have to do here - steemitwallet.com, yes? We can no longer claim our rewards via Steemit.com (that explains, why I only see that rewards folder when I clicked on my wallet which was confusing btw.)

This is actually inconvenient compared to how it was before - we log in and just claim our rewards then post and cast our votes with the knowledge that we have been powered up but now it would take two logging in, first on the wallet to power ourselves up and then to steemit.com to post. Is it really no longer possible to also claim our rewards at steemit.com so we will just have to access our wallets when we want to power down, up or withdraw some steem or sbd? EDIT 2: On the other hand, it may work against vote buying .. or I wish lol!

To log in which key do we need to use? EDIT 3: I just clicked on it and it's actually suggesting "ideally your posting key yes? And then we can do any transaction we want which would work the same way it did back then okay, am getting the hang of it!

Btw, we appreciate that you're all doing your best to provide us the best service there is, we see that but this one is one sort that surely provides inconvenience as well. Once again, no offense but I for one, really liked the old system but maybe this new system has been designed for security purposes.

edit 1 : comment upvoted for visibility

EDIT 4: I have no problem loggin in, atm, I have managed to collect my rewards but that's all I did for now, since you're on a test phase. I also noticed that the other features which I would not mention here were also put there. Now, I get it why this post says Steemit is really just - if I may word it - purely for posting, upvoting and commenting now!

justinashby (61) · 6 years ago

Wow. WTF? This is stupid. Goodbye new users!
If you wanted to kill this chain this is a bleeding wound that will fester and kill STEEM.

Good job. I had hope and this dissolved it completely. I no longer have faith in your process. I am done here after 2 years of painful loyalty.

Idiots.

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marcocasario (54) · 6 years ago

BUG REPORT:

When you open the wallet you cannot use the back button to navigate back to steemit.com. You are stuck on steemwallet.com.

inspire1 (65) · 5 years ago

I've just tried powering up 54.814 STEEM. The wheel is still spinning for the past 5 minutes at least. If I login to steemitwallet on another page, I can see my steem power balance 2245.710 is still the same, but the steem of 54.814 that was supposed to be powered up is now showing a balance of 0.01. So, I would say that something is definitely wrong. It seems like I just lost 54 steem and have a wheel just spinning in another window under the "convert to steem power" screen just stuck spinning. Its probably been about 10 minutes since I started writing this while this power up was supposed to happen.

I don't like what I see. This makes me feel like I should be powering down. What is wrong with the power up process? It used to take 1 or 2 seconds at most.

yasu (80) · 6 years ago (edited)

Hello.
The behavior when clicking the wallet link is different.

Click the wallet link	Another tab

Click the wallet link	The same tab. The steemit.com tab disappears.

I think that another tab is good for the steemit.com and the steemitwallet.com.
Thank you.

reveurgam (60) · 6 years ago

Thank you for clarifying things, and for the innovative effort to improve Steemit! I have used Steemit since early 2017 and always found aspects of it confusing, unwieldy and/or in need of improvement. The video helped me to understand at least the 1st and 4th keys.

With that in mind, I would like to request:

A better editor. This basic editor offers nothing for novices, especially since many of the documents created 2 years ago about using HTML and MDL are now partially or entirely incorrect because they either suggested HTML that is no longer usable, or they suggest using styling features that the editor no longer possesses (which is everything). Using HTML and MDL can be hit or miss, and not just because of the conflicts between the two languages or the limited amount that can be used, but also due to the lack of documentation and links that users can click to learn how to format their work. I had to research and write several articles on editing here to help ME remember it all and help others. One article I wrote the other day, in which I made a list with MDL, had to be rewritten because of that conflict, forcing me to switch the entire, lengthy, list to the HTML ordered list tag, which has its own problems.
A 5th key that can be used for up/down-voting and resteeming but NOT posting and editing. The reasons for this SHOULD be obvious but, at the risk of seeming condescending, if someone gets your posting key because you gave it to a voting bloc, 3rd-party website or 3rd-party app, Malicious Owners have the power to not only down/upvote where you wouldn't agree, but to also create false posts, trash existing posts by changing the text, including spam and libeling people, which can result in the person whose posting key was abused to lose rep, be flagged and so on, which can have potentially long-term consequences. Worst of all, such deleterious actions could be done by a bot app, so the MalOwn wouldn't even break a sweat. Thus, the 5th key would be at the bottom of the hierarchy.
A way to delete messages (active key?).
A list of all available keywords or, better yet, a tree categorization system that will reduce unintentional overlap/duplicate categories (due to different spelling/ounctuation/words, such as golden-oldies/goldenoldies and food/cuisine). This has long been a problem for me, because the list shows popular keywords - not all of them - and many are related to cryptocurrency, which doesn't help those of us who don't write about that. This inadequacy in Steemit makes it very easy to associate your article with "dead" keywords that will not help you get an audience.
Tied with this should be a counter showing how many posts are in that category to help people avoid dead zones.
Finally, an option for curators to suggest categories for articles would allow people to help in SEO of writers' articles, with the authors making the choice of which keywords (aside from the main one) to use, and which to discard, which could increase their audience
System-wide announcements like the one I saw for this article. This is the FIRST Steemit-wide alert I've gotten since 2017. I honestly do NOT know where to look for updates from the people who control Steemit and the onus is on you guys to alert us to changes. Sure, we don't necessarily use best practices for security but, then, I didn't even know until relatively recently that there are now 4 keys!
A flag for plagiarism and a flag to show you don't own what you're posting (the latter prevents the former and also disables payment on upvotes). I have seen a lot of people earning money on here by ripping off someone else's work, including photos, and putting them on Steemit. That's like compilers on YouTube who take other people's clips and put them together into a large compilation of funny stuff, and then get rich off other people's clips. I find it to be unsavory at best.

If someone puts up someone else's work, they should either turn off payments or produce something substantial with the piece they grabbed being a supporting portion of the article or video instead of the whole focus, and also give credit to the source. If it is free-use material, they can still give credit if they want to support the creators, or not.

If you have any questions, please let me know! I hope you'll read this!

steempowerpics (69) · 6 years ago

So when will Steemit role out an original idea of their own? Asking for a friend.

machnbirdsparo (65) · 6 years ago

Where can I find the Larimer quote?

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steempowerpics (69) · 6 years ago

You won't find them on Steemit that's for sure... they censored him and EOSIO so much here he left. Simply join the EOSIO Telegram channel. https://t.me/EOSproject

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holybranches (60) · 6 years ago

You can't censor someone on Steem! 69 rep and still sounding like a noob.

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darkflame (65) · 6 years ago (edited)

I had some issues before when trying to login so when I am at my desk I will try again.

Update: THIS IS NOT WORKING

Some more warning before this change would have been great but we are moving forward. I worry about all those who have already lost their keys, and those who will lose them in this process. Thanks for the update, the more information you can put out for the average user, the better. When i joined in 2016 there was very little how to info. Steem is getting so much better. I will resteem this for my followers.

sn0n (60) · 6 years ago

Here comes all the 'im leaving steemit because of the ads' posts... Funny, I reported about the changes before the official blogs!!
https://steemit.com/steem/@sn0n/breaking-news-steem-wallet-changes
Love it. Keep up the good work guys. Don't focus too much on that Fiat monetization though... Kinda goes against the grain and not in the good ways. Ideals man.. ideals. (;

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andrarchy (72) · 6 years ago

Thanks for the feedback. We're not focusing on fiat monetization as much as focusing on ensuring that the organization can survive while continuing to put out free and open software. Blockchain developers ain't cheap yaknow ;)

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glenalbrethsen (68) · 6 years ago

Hey, @sn0n.

I'm in agreement with the ideals part. I don't know what the answer is myself, but there are folks here who are all for the ads, so maybe there will be some helpful return from it. As for myself, I'm not quitting Steemit, but I am using the Brave browser until they decide where they're going with the ads. One of the reasons why I came to like STEEM is because ads didn't seem to be apart of the experience, but there's still choices on how to access the STEEM social media platform, so while that is still the case, life goes on. :)

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sn0n (60) · 6 years ago

Ads shouldn't necessarily be part of the crypto or blockchain experience imo... but steemit isn't steem, it's a platform on top of steem, so I can see how they might have a splinter group in marketing saying "we need ads",... To each their own, as long as ads don't bother me, as they are currently not on mobile as far as I can see, it's a non-issue.
I do understand having to diversify their income, but I'd rather see collaboration with other blockchains for deeper integrations, instead of a focus on fiat. I haven't looked into steemincs finances, but I'm sure there is a lot of room for infrastructure improvements, outside of the blockchain itself, on the http and physical world side of things...

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glenalbrethsen (68) · 6 years ago

It seems like they're main focuses have been reducing costs (layoffs, reworking of code, adding things like RockDB and MIRA), and finding something to generate income, and have at least begun with the ads idea.

It's true, Steemit is not STEEM, but I'm in full agreement that it does go against the grain. Whether it's actually fiat money being earned or not (which undoubtedly a good portion must be), it just seems part of the old system of earning that the blockchain and the new attention economy is supposed to get away from.

re: ads not on mobile

Well that's something. On the website, on your personal feed, it will show banner ads at the top, one on the left and a smaller one on the right, and then there are more ads in the feed. If you go to your blog, there will actually be a banner ad on top and others where your blog posts are.

kabir88 (60) · 6 years ago

I am seeing ads while logged in. Is that normal?

andrarchy (72) · 6 years ago

By separating out the wallet functionality from the social application we can now show ads to signed in users without compromising security. We are currently experimenting with this feature, yes.

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ats-david (74) · 6 years ago

I don’t want to see ads when I’m logged in unless you’re compensating me for it. If you’re not going to do that (as I suggested to Ned two years ago), I’ll use another interface that will.

I’ll also use another interface that doesn’t make me sign in multiple times to use the same blockchain.

I suspect others will be doing the same.

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5 votes

theceltictraders (62) · 5 years ago

HELP! I have tried reading all the replies here to help but there are too many and nothing I've seen really answers my problem. None of my keys allow me access to my wallet. What can I do?

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phoenixwren (65) · 5 years ago

Do you have all your keys written down? If not, when you try to sign in to the regular site, not the wallet, with your Master, it should give you a link to download a PDF which has all of your keys in it. Do you get that notice when you try to sign in to steemit.com?

bigblueleadsled (48) · 5 years ago

This is awful!

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