Thanks for your response,
The lunar eclipse is on my list of things I need to examine, seems to be used by both sides of the argument a lot.
As far as the scope is concerned, I’ve spent an equal amount of time examining my own jaded psychology. You need to ask yourself about the truth & representation of the death of jfk, the moon trips, the twin towers & numerous other events. If you believe the main media story on those, probably not gonna get anywhere with a flat earth. However if you see problems with all of those things why would you trust other giant things requiring a leap of faith, that in my view contradict physical experience.
Also the unheard of peace regarding the Antarctica treaty is strange. They also get a lot of important traffic there.
There are alternate explanations for planets & retrograde motions that make more logical sense to me. I’ll find some links for that & a lunar eclipse. Thy are all theoretical models
Would love to see any good 3D modeling
Unfortunately, there are no 3D model representations that posit a flat earth with a lunar eclipse without things such as an INSANELY HUGE, yet invisible object that despite being invisible, creates the shadow/eclipse of the moon.
To argue that a conspiracy that spans millennia and has absolutely not one discernable objective for the perpetrators of the conspiracy, let alone advantage and to relate it to other conspiracies that both have numerous motives and plenty of evidence from whistleblowers while the enormity of the flat earth conspiracy has no such thing and we are to believe it's been much more successful than these lesser and more regionally limited conspiracies is to fly in the face of all that is reasonable and logical, especially considering the numerous collaborations that would be required in countless fields, the enormity of which would require almost every single professional in the world to be in on it.
To put it even more plainly, the fact that you can observe the spinning globe A: the moon, and the other spinning globe B: the sun with any store-bought telescope and filters and you can predict with utmost precision things such as solar eclipses and lunar eclipses as have countless civilizations, all based on a heliocentric model, would mean that the conspiracy is so grand that forces out there in the universe are literally toying with our perceptions for absolutely no discernable reason IN tandem with an insurmountable conspiracy that spans countless cultures and millenia amidst our own people, for there is no other explanation for those things.
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I do not assume that all of the history that has been taught to me is accurate. Therefore I can not assume that I know exactly what has been known for millenia. Judging by the history I’ve been alive for, things are constantly remixed by the authors.
I also can’t assume I know all possible reasons others have for their actions. Many more possibilities exist than any one mans imagination in my opinion.
Spiritual deception is very common from what I’ve seen, televangelists come to mind, psychics, tarot cards, palm reading, pedophile churches.
But the basic physics that we experience are a better argument than vague broad topics.
Does the spin of the earth affect airplanes?
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Tell me, if you're inside of a car traveling 60 mph and you throw a ball in the air inside the car, what happens? Does the motion of the car affect the ball? Equally, when I posted the link and you ignored it, the spin of the earth, if it was 1 mph or 50000000000 mph, will affect the planes, except that not in the way you think "basic" physics work and you think it affects them.
Also, instead of "broad topics" that are not helped at all by a flat earth or a cube earth, or a
earthdome under the ocean on a flat plane sitting on infinitely tall pillars or floating on the back of a tortoise, I content that there is absolutely not one instance that you can detail where the perpetrators of such a large conspiracy which despite the lack of even ONE individual coming out to detail anything about it (unlike almost every other conspiracy where the perpetrators are known and their motives obvious and whistleblowers have come forward) could be advantaged by this "secret" knowledge. Read that again, not one instance, it is so irrelevant that the only relevance of this conspiracy is actually in the numerous professions that RELY on their work and life on a precise, utmost precise, model of our world, which you believe they all work in tandem to keep this secret so secret that it befuddles anyone with a modicum of common sense, something that you obviously consider almost faux pas, yet you ask things that defy common sense like "will the spin of the earth affect airplanes". I provided an experiment that demonstrates the spin of the earth by its effect on light and a link to common sense explanation that didn't stop you from ignoring it outright and asking the same redundant question.Downvoting a post can decrease pending rewards and make it less visible. Common reasons:
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Stick to logic, no need to make assertions about me.
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I decide what is necessary and what isn't, and despite what you obviously didn't think it necessary to address, I want to know why you ignored the link that detailed the answer to your question or the analogy I offered for the car and the ball.
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You assert that the conspiracy can help all these different causes but you didn't offer one simple detail on why and how and expect your vacuous assertions to stand by themselves, is that because you have a disdain for common sense, or is it because you'd assert a large insurmountable conspiracy and speak about non-existent or outright bogus theoretical models that even a child would deduce to be utterly flawed as if they hold any credence and offered absolutely no source to validate such credence yet want to make assertions to their credence in the same way you make assertions as to the purpose of such a grand, no, giant conspiracy?
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You seem to be lacking the ability to have a logical discussion without trying to make things personal.
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Sorry I am not the one that dismissed a simple logical example as "makes no logical sense", you must have me mistaken for someone that claims they have been looking for the curve and when offered the required vantage to observe such a curve with the naked eye and the immense distances required they dismissed it off hand as if it was simply about seeing the curve from an airplane, and equally when presented with an experiment that demonstrates the spin of the earth with light they didn't bother to look at it even.
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The main things that I’ve gotten out of this exchange are that you believe the version of history you’ve heard is absolutely correct, you believe your imagination covers all possibilities, & that you can provide links to standard explanations that lack logical sense, despite your faith in them. There is nothing in these responses of value for me & I don’t believe you are open minded enough for me to spend my time continuing to read your attempted insults.
If you want to insult strangers, do it in the real world where you can expirement with real physics & have some fun 😃
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Tell me some more about these theoretical models that you have yet to present which make much more sense to you and explain simple things like the horizon. Do I need to draw you a representation of the lack of horizon on a flat plane?
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Looking at the sky to measure the Earth is irrelevant: EVERYTHING in modern astronomy about stars are assumptions. The facts are that all large bodies of water are level, the Earth has no measurable curvature and it does not accelerate.
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Giant theoretical models that get bigger & longer & farther away all the time, yet are said to be known facts 👍
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