Steemian List of Assets Stolen by Hive

shadowspub (70) · 5 years ago

You know as a witness you really should know better than claiming something is stolen when there was no entitlement to it in the first place. Even if I don't totally agree with the exclusion list, those on it were not entitled to receive the airdrop in the first place, thus nothing was stolen.

I did receive the airdrop, but, they are found tokens not something I was entitled to. Misrepresentation doesn't strengthen an argument, it weakens it.

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

I personally don't care about the coins, nor the exclusion list, as I have no interest in posting on Hive.

My grievance is with the assets Hive stole from me, namely, my original content. I've never signed over licensing of my content over to Hive. That did not happen. They did not receive my permission to clone and publish my content.

I do have an entitlement to the intellectual rights to my own work.

To me, this list represents a list of Steem members whose intellectual property was plagiarized and is being used to promote a new business venture.

Their assets were indeed stolen.

The bottom line is: I did not give my consent. I do not wish my content nor my name on Hive.

manniman (63) · 5 years ago

You might be the most stupid person that I've seen online since 2001.

You did put this stuff online yourself - on a full public chain. Lucky you, you could go and delete your content. But that ain't the point right? You just want to drift with the water of endless stupidity.

Btw. every Witness server basically has offline copies of your posts, to be able to run properly. This is like christmas, right?

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shadowspub (70) · 5 years ago

Now, the argument in regards to content, I can totally agree with. I can't offer a solution or a process to get the content removed but I totally understand the argument.

I am a writer. I would not want my content posted without my consent.

The decentralized nature of a blockchain does present a problem in getting unwanted content removed by the rightful owner. I'm not technically inclined enough to know how it would be accomplished short of suggesting you log in long enough to delete the content.

If you wanted to do that and were in need of HP for resource credits in order to do the deleting, I can offer some delegation to support that.

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

I published the first chapter of one of my books on Steem as a gift to the Steem community. I also published segments of two other books I am working on, also as a gift to the community of Steem. These are life long projects that are very near and dear to my heart. Not the mention the endless quantity of high quality photography that was not published anywhere else(again as a gesture of love and kindness to the community).
I feel extremely violated that my content is being used to promote someone else's business(especially this one).
Why? I have a grievance with some of the witnesses after spending many hours researching wallets, accounts, transactions, histories and more(and what I discovered as a consequence). This is why I do not wish to support their work. I do not support some of the decisions they have made in the past.
I feel betrayed, I lost my trust in them, and I have no faith moving forward with them.
I feel that is my right.

I absolutely agree that I am not "entitled" to any of their coins. I understand that I voiced a counter opinion and did not vote with them. I understand they gifted tokens only to those they deemed "worthy".

Yes @shawowspub, all I want is to remove my content from Hive. That is what I am upset about.

Help would be greatly appreciated!

zzan.witnesses (66) · 5 years ago

I use the expression of extortion because they put it under their control, not @null.
If I were @null, I wouldn't be angry.

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shadowspub (70) · 5 years ago

If they had sent the funds to @null that would have not allowed them to make them available for turning over to those who are successful on appeal. I would rather there is a process to let some who were caught up in a situation gain the airdrop than to see them all go to @null.

Again, not stolen. Can't steal what is not owned.

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

Again, people's intellectual property is being used to promote a business venture without their consent.

Ergo, "stolen assets".

shadowspub (70) · 5 years ago

AND once again, I have already agreed with you in regards to the IP. However, the post being replied to says nothing about the IP and everything about airdops that there is no entitlement to.

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

My bottom line: I just want my all of my content and my name removed from Hive. That's it. I just want to move forward from this whole horrible experience. Why does it have to go on and on and on? Enough already. They should remove my content or let me remove my content and let me live in peace. I just want to move forward!

shadowspub (70) · 5 years ago

Well I offered you a way to support you removing your content, that is all that is within my power.

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

I would/will gladly accept that help, so I can remove my posts and move on with my life. Seriously, I would greatly appreciate the help! It will be a lot of work to remove the posts manually, but I am happy to do it myself. I just have no power to be able to do it. I would greatly appreciate the help. That would be very nice if you would do that. Please and thank you.

akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

I agree with you. I do not personally feel like I am entitled to an airdrop from another blockchain. (An interesting point though is that it was promised to all users, and then that promise was walked back on the premise of punishing those who "support centralization". In all honesty, it was well known that Ned's stake existed and that the chain was not truly centralized to begin with. But, that's a whole other discussion. I voted against the witnesses because I didn't agree with what they were doing on Steem, nor with how they handled themselves. It had absolutely nothing to do with whether I support centralization or decentralization.)

Perhaps, the original post can be edited to reflect the assets that were actually stolen @zzan.witnesses (the intellectual property)?

shadowspub (70) · 5 years ago

that would be up to the author.

As for voting against the witnesses due to disagreement with their actions. That is totally within your rights, but, what led to the exclusion list is the belief that voting for the sock puppets was against the best interest of the chain. Had you chose to vote human witnesses other than the consensus witnesses, no one would have dared to dispute that.

The only reason that one of my reasons for leaving Steem isn't about the sock puppets is that there is currently human witnesses looking after the chain ... mostly not people I'd support and trust but they are people who might be able to learn better.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 5 years ago

Dear @shadowspub

Wouldn't you think that if someone is excluding those authors from being part of this airdrop, then content created by those authors should not be used on new chain?

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zzan.witnesses (66) · 5 years ago

Thank you for your interest. I've talked to them a few times, but they don't have the will to give.

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seo-boss (71) · 5 years ago

In any case, my content was mirrored to a new blockchain without asking me. This could be a copyright infringement. I will consult my lawyer.

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zzan.witnesses (66) · 5 years ago

All right. This is obviously an important matter.

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seo-boss (71) · 5 years ago

@zzan.witnesses
Look at point 3. https://steemit.com/tos.html
Where did Hive get the mirrored content from? No one was asked and the entire blockchain was cloned. When I registered with Steemit, I had to agree to these conditions. I didn't agree to any terms at Hive.
Now the content of hundreds of thousands is in a new blockchain called Hive tranfered without permissions.
The account keys are also there. It is like robbery.

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manniman (63) · 5 years ago

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manniman (63) · 5 years ago

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seo-boss (71) · 5 years ago

Geh mir nicht auf den Sack und verpisst dich aus meinem Blog!

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

Edited. Problem appears to have been solved.

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seo-boss (71) · 5 years ago (edited)

If a domain displays resources on the website that are actually physically on another domain, this is called deep linking. The source domain has the right to prohibit deeplinking. There are also technical options to prevent deep linking by server rules.

It works in a similar way with other web servers.

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blacklux (67) · 5 years ago

It's ok, I don't mind it. I'm a steemian and I will stay here as long steemit exist.

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zzan.witnesses (66) · 5 years ago

Good idea. Steem, let's be together forever!

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

Also, I never gave Hive permission to clone my original content.

Class-action suit?

zzan.witnesses (66) · 5 years ago

I can't confirm it, but also I don't want my story to be in the hive.
The steem inc foundation will check to see if the action is problematic.

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worldcapture (69) · 5 years ago (edited)

It's a Blockchain. What you publish on a Blockchain stays on a Blockchain..

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

I published it on Steem, not Hive. I have no problems with my content staying on Steem. However, given Hive's business practices, I do not wish my name associated with theirs. I would like my content removed from their site(s). Hive is not Steem.

worldcapture (69) · 5 years ago

I think there is a tool where you actually can delete all of your posts - Or, at least make them empty. I don't know what the name of this tool is, but maybe you can find it out.

The technical point is, you published it on a Blockchain. Hive is a clone of the Steem Blockchain.

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

I understand it is a clone. However, I question the legality of cloning everything, including people's original content, under a "new" name, a "new" token, a "new" blockchain.

While I appreciate your advice (thank you), I don't understand why I have to go find a tool to undo what someone else did. It should not have happened in the first place!

worldcapture (69) · 5 years ago

But it happened.. Some are happy with it, others are not. I understand that. But your chances for legal action are pretty low as there is no actual person to blame for.

Anyway, I hope you find a way :)

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

But, there are people to blame for this. Hive didn't appear out of thin air. The content didn't clone itself.

I am sure if people pool their resources this is entirely possible, hence why I was proposing a "class-action suit".

And no, I can't find a way to delete my posts, and since I have no Hive power, I can't do it manually either.

The bottom line is, I do not want any of my content nor my name on Hive. Nothing of mine. I want nothing to do with it. Not after everything that happened.

I will not pair my name with theirs.

crypto.piotr (70) · 5 years ago

You're right. I wonder if lawsuits against people behind HIVE will start. Those who would go after - would most likely win.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 5 years ago

Dear @worldcapture

There is actual person and company which is to be blamed for cloning all content to HIVE and I'm sure @akiroq could win lawsuit against them if he only would bother to start.

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worldcapture (69) · 5 years ago (edited)

Maybe we should start with a lawsuit against exchanges who used user funds to vote for fake witnesses first? @crypto.piotr

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manniman (63) · 5 years ago

Courts might have time for that at the moment, you know?

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manniman (63) · 5 years ago

'suit' yeah? Do you mean a taxido like James Bond in Casino Royale?

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

@JustinSunSteemit

Please consider pinning SteemChiller's latest post:
https://steemit.com/witness-category/@steemchiller/steemchiller-goes-witness-let-s-make-steem-safe-again
and lending him support.
He is an asset to this community.

Thank you.

akiroq (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

@justinsunsteemit

Also, someone should really look into the plethora of "anonymous" accounts that were created(and used to vote witnesses) with 15SP each (and where exactly was that 15SP coming from hmm?) I hope from those people's pockets and not from Steem funds dedicated to promoting the onboarding of new users...because that would be abusive and exploitive/theft.

The majority of these accounts have no content. They are only used for voting in witnesses and downvoting people. Some have 1 post.

It would have given some "people" a lot of (witness votes) and a lot of power, the very thing they have accused Justin of(but worse: using stolen power, Justin paid for his stake.)

Isn't it ironic?

It is easy to point the finger at one man who visibly/openly owns a large stake. What about those who also own large stakes, but have hidden it using many anonymous accounts? (How did they come to own those large stakes?)

Was the chain ever truly decentralized?

Think about how the system was designed. How it works. What was happening and how(various schemes to increase stakes).

akiroq (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

@justinsunsteemit

Edit: Steemworld is working again for delegation. Maybe it was just a glitch of some sort.

So we have :
https://steemyy.com/sp-delegate-form/
and
https://steemworld.org/
both working to allow delegations.

Thanks for your help.

https://steemyy.com/sp-delegate-form/

zzan.witnesses (66) · 5 years ago

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

Thanks, perhaps it would be a good idea for someone to make a new post with just then information on how to delegate.

Something like "How to delegate Steem" with a link to
https://steemyy.com/sp-delegate-form/ and https://steemd.com/
I am sure others in the community are also struggling with the same issue.

Thanks for getting back to me.

(Btw, I forgot that you can't add 1, that 1 resets it to only 1. Ooops. Haha. XD)

tipu (67) · 5 years ago

Hi @akiroq! I`m here to help :) If you want to delegate, please make a comment (for example replay to this one) like this:
I want to delegate X sp to @user
Where X is the amount of SP and @user is the steem user you want to delegate to. For example:
I want to delegate 100 sp to @zzan.witnesses
@tipU will answer with a delegation link. Hope this helps!:)

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

Nice. Great idea.

zzan.witnesses (66) · 5 years ago

If you write the article, I'll do resteem.

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

@JustinSunSteemit @steemitblog
You made a pledge to protect the community. Would you, or your team, or someone else (with substantial power) who understands/agrees that this is not right (cloning people's content/intellectual property without their consent) please look into what can be done?
I am thinking it would be appropriate to start with a "cease and desist" to give them an opportunity to take immediate corrective action? Followed by a class-action suit if they don't?

manniman (63) · 5 years ago

The Moment this comment section was born, a star died.

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manniman (63) · 5 years ago

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manniman (63) · 5 years ago

Might be your style

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spoke (13) · 5 years ago

Well, I wouldn't say I was robbed, because you can't steal what I don't own. But I have been excluded. Banned from the airdrop. And in my case (passive member, passive investor) that hurts just as much, because there are a few bugs involved.
The probable reason for the exclusion is extremely shameful: I set a proxy when everyone was screaming "You have to choose witnesses!" Since I had no idea what was happening, I trusted a man who is a great developer, knows about blockchain technology and was an asset to all Steemians with his Steemworld.
And I still trust him! A sad reason for exclusion!

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

I feel terrible for what happened to Steemchiller. He has done so much for Steem and the community. Steemworld is amazing.
Proxy witness voters should not have been excluded from the drop in my opinion, because proxy voting says exactly that: I am not comfortable to make this decision, so I have entrusted someone else to make it for me. Why should you be forced or bullied into doing something you don't feel comfortable doing?

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spoke (13) · 5 years ago

Since those who neither voted anybody nor chose a witness proxy got the airdrop...
The split, with everything that goes with it, tastes very, very bitter. Not sweet at all like honey from a fresh beehive.

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manniman (63) · 5 years ago

Idiots

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funtraveller (71) · 5 years ago

Thanks for this info, I've seen the list before but never know the exact value until now. I wonder what are they going to do with it... anyway doesn't matter. As we can't do anything about it anymore.

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zzan.witnesses (66) · 5 years ago

They stole your posting without permission and robbed you of your assets.
I will never forgive them.

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